izzou:


But then, at least you can agree that the FG could have responded to this better

I'm not talking about the poor health system (that one don dey before Buhari come sef)

I'm talking about nipping this in the bud earlier

odizeey:


No need begging cos them no go give you.

1- Are you a regional distribution area?
2- Do you encourage electric cars?


My grouse is you don't leave your health care stranded and go begging. Let them go and meet innoson. He made an offer to them.

gensteejay:
This comment from Seun captures what I and other reasonable members here have been saying about the sustainability of this lockdown in Nigeria, but being politically correct can't make some party people here understand simple things:

"Staying at home is not the answer for a country with so much poverty. There is no point in saving ppl from the Coronavirus only for them to die of hunger and malnutrition and increased crime. The lockdown policy is simply unsustainable. It is at best a temporary measure to enable the government to get it’s act together. It is not a long-term strategy.

There is no country that has beaten the Coronavirus just by asking people to stay at home. The countries that are beating the Coronavirus, China and South Korea, both did 2 things:
1) Massive testing of suspected cases and isolation of infected people.
2) Encouraging everybody to wear face-masks in public to dramatically reduce the rate of transmission, because many carriers of the virus have no symptoms and can still spread it

Those are the key things we need to do. Shutting down the economy will rob us of the financial resources that we need to carry out the measures that actually work. If we actually calculate economic losses for each day that Lagos is closed, we would be shocked.

Just as asking people to abstain from sex to prevent AIDS never worked, but urging them to use condoms worked, asking people to stay at home when they are poor, cannot work. Our government doesn't have the resources to feed everyone until the vaccine is ready. What we need is for people to use a condom for their faces when they have to go out. If 80% of us can wear face-masks, the problem is solved."

https://www.nairaland.com/5769275/covid-19-patients-being-treated-lagos#88013097

Eruditor:


There is no harm in trying. He is a fellow African and may show compassion.

You don't know if Innoson is currently working on that. But that does not preclude them from begging for more from Elon. Bigger and more robust healthcare systems are still begging.

Eruditor:


You are right but the question is what would you have recommended?

gensteejay:

https://www.nairaland.com/5769275/covid-19-patients-being-treated-lagos#88013097

raumdeuter:


North Korea claimed they have zero Corona cases, Do you also believe them?

raumdeuter:


He omitted one major thing China did, They implemented a military-styled lockdown, If they did only those 2 things he mentioned without the lockdown it would still have been useless. I know a guy in China he said in his University they locked them down since January and only one person per hall goes out to buy groceries for the whole hall

1 China did massive testing because they have local capacity to produce test kits, where will Nigeria get test kits from?
2. Face mask, One per day for each person, Can you calculate how many would be needed for 200m people for 1month or even 2 weeks? who will produce it? or will it be given for free?

Also covering the nose is not the only means of transmission, What we touch, If you enter Danfo do you know how many people will touch the door handle? Any store how many people will touch the door? the goods we exchange?

And if there is mass infection, what will be the solution proposed? If you have seen the hopeless situation in countries with good healthcare, you will dread the thought of it coming anywhere near Nigeria

Have you also considered that there is a very high possibility that China is underplaying the numbers?

gensteejay:

Reports say they closed their borders as far back as January, immediately the COV news broke out in China. So, it's possible.

However, I'm sceptical about things reported in the media.

For instance, according to the Chinese government and a number of media sources, China has only recorded about 3,300 deaths from coronavirus.

But some citizens say over 40,000 deaths have occurred so far in the country due to the pandemic, but the majority of the cases are not reported.

izzou:


Shut down the airports earlier. Limit our land borders to cargo, as much as possible

Any flight coming in before the stipulated deadline should be checked. All passengers quarantined if possible

That way it's possible to trap all those coming in and then hope we were swift with that

I was shocked when Lai said we were looking for more than 4000 people that flew in. Coupled with Kemi's revelation in Imo state, its possible we have goofed

At this point, we just hope this 2 weeks will be 2 weeks

Eruditor:


The death tolls in the US are being over reported too. If someone died of a stroke or a car accident but was also posthumously tested for the coronavirus and was positive, the death was categorised as a coronavirus death.

And yes, such tests are done post mortem. Just so morticians etc can know how to handle the corpse.

gensteejay:

Reports say they closed their borders as far back as January, immediately the COV news broke out in China. So, it's possible.

However, I'm skeptical about things reported in the media.

For instance, according to the Chinese government and a number of media sources, China has only recorded about 3,300 deaths from coronavirus.

But some citizens say over 40,000 deaths have occurred so far in the country due to the pandemic, but the majority of the cases are not reported.

gensteejay:

How can you be sure they didn't really die from contracting COV? Could it not be possible that their underlying condition(s) was successfully managed before the outbreak of the pandemic?

gensteejay:
This comment from Seun captures what I and other reasonable members here have been saying about the sustainability of this lockdown in Nigeria, but being politically correct can't make some party people here understand simple things:

"Staying at home is not the answer for a country with so much poverty. There is no point in saving ppl from the Coronavirus only for them to die of hunger and malnutrition and increased crime. The lockdown policy is simply unsustainable. It is at best a temporary measure to enable the government to get it’s act together. It is not a long-term strategy.

There is no country that has beaten the Coronavirus just by asking people to stay at home. The countries that are beating the Coronavirus, China and South Korea, both did 2 things:
1) Massive testing of suspected cases and isolation of infected people.
2) Encouraging everybody to wear face-masks in public to dramatically reduce the rate of transmission, because many carriers of the virus have no symptoms and can still spread it

Those are the key things we need to do. Shutting down the economy will rob us of the financial resources that we need to carry out the measures that actually work. If we actually calculate economic losses for each day that Lagos is closed, we would be shocked.

Just as asking people to abstain from sex to prevent AIDS never worked, but urging them to use condoms worked, asking people to stay at home when they are poor, cannot work. Our government doesn't have the resources to feed everyone until the vaccine is ready. What we need is for people to use a condom for their faces when they have to go out. If 80% of us can wear face-masks, the problem is solved."

https://www.nairaland.com/5769275/covid-19-patients-being-treated-lagos#88013097

Eruditor:


I gave an example there. For e.g Heart attack is the number 1 cause of death in the US but if someone died of a heart attack and it was later discovered that he/she had the corona antibody in them (even if they were asymptomatic at the time of death) that death was ruled as a coronavirus death and was added to the death toll.

gensteejay:
I'm all for lockdown in Nigeria. It's not as if we've a better choice.

However, I feel FG seriously needs to increase their testing capacity to test much more people. Then, they also need to do a lot better in providing palliatives for the masses and ensuring that they really get to the intended and deserving hands, not stolen by party stalwarts.

Going forward, I feel it's very important to combine lockdown with mass testing and isolating and treating confirmed cases. Regardless of the cost of testing a large number of citizens, it will still be lower than a continued lockdown, which isn't sustainable in the long run and is very unhealthy for the economy.

gensteejay:

It's possible the US has over reported deaths due to COV, maybe to a little extent.

But has the US ever recorded these many deaths (1000+) in a day as we have during this coronavirus period, except during the past plagues/pandemics?

Did Americans just start dying of heart attacks and other medical conditions?

Do you think Italy and Spain also over-reported their deaths from COV?

Eruditor:


The death toll for heart dieseases in a day was 1002+ consistent from 2018 into 2019 (even higher in 2018) that I checked. You can do so yourself.

Another thing? Pneumonia deaths in a state like California were close to 500/week in January. By March the deaths reduced to less than 350/ week. Can you guess why? They are using the numbers to augment coronavirus death tolls.

As for Spain and Italy, the same accusations subsist from some of the doctors working there (Twitter, 2020).

Ibime:
After asking Elon Musk for ventilators, does Nigeria have the drugs for intubation or Anaesthetists to run intubation?

Afrodoc2, Unlimited22, how many Nigerian doctors do you know that read Anaesthesiology?

Eruditor:


I gave an example there. For e.g Heart attack is the number 1 cause of death in the US but if someone died of a heart attack and it was later discovered that he/she had the corona antibody in them (even if they were asymptomatic at the time of death) that death was ruled as a coronavirus death and was added to the death toll.

Ibime:


You are wrong. Corona deaths are being widely underreported, especially deaths at home. In UK, some hospitals require consent from your family to release your stats.

In some cases, patients are termed end of life. These are the only ones you can consider as being overreported, and it is up to Hospital execs to make that judgement. We had a patient die from Corona in one of our Hospitals. The patient was given 3 weeks to live with cancer but died within couple days. The Hospital exec was arguing that it shouldn't be ascribed to Corona although she was overruled by the NHS.

raumdeuter:


There are things we should have done before Corona for the past 60yrs which we didn't do. Now it has come to us and we have to find a solution. Buhari can say Jonathan spent 6yrs didnt build hospital, Jonathan blame OBJ, OBJ blame Abacha, Abacha blame IBB. All that but how does it help us right now

It's like a man who didn't train himself to be fit for 30yrs, One day a lion is chasing him and he is asking you for advice

Genteesjay Lion is chasing me what should I do right now

genteesjay : You should have been working out since age 10, you should have been watching your diet, you should have been this and that

All that does not help him right now and he needs a solution right now

How will FG increase testing capacity? Shey with the non-existent test kits that even advanced countries don't have? or what exactly

Economy is the least worry for now, The whole world will likely enter recession and nobody to borrow another country money cos the sky is falling on everyone

Na people wey survive go deal with economy

We better hope that either our weather, our acquired immunity over the years, The gods we worship or something come to our aid cos...

odizeey:
Dey don beat army nearly die for warri.
This lockdown no go funny o.

gensteejay:

I don't think you took time to read my submissions on this issue, bros. The sad fact is, FG is doing almost nothing to help most Nigerians cope with losses during these trying times.

In this post, a Nigerian in the Philippines shared the things he received as a palliative service from the government in his host country as a non-citizen: https://www.nairaland.com/5769952/nigerian-philippines-displays-relief-items

Is it a crime to demand something better from the Nigerian government as Nigerian citizens? Is the Philippines a richer nation than the so-called giant of Africa?

TeflonBlixx:


We have almost twice the population of Phillipine..

gensteejay:

So?

TeflonBlixx:


Briety

gensteejay:

I don't think you took time to read my submissions on this issue, bros. The sad fact is, FG is doing almost nothing to help most Nigerians cope with losses during these trying times.

In this post, a Nigerian in the Philippines shared the things he received as a palliative service from the government in his host country as a non-citizen: https://www.nairaland.com/5769952/nigerian-philippines-displays-relief-items

Is it a crime to demand something better from the Nigerian government as Nigerian citizens? Is the Philippines a richer nation than the so-called giant of Africa?