₦airaland Forum

budaatum:
Jerry Rawlings was a man of his times and those times are long gone. Or have you forgotten we fought for democracy? It means, no tyrants like Jerry Rawlings! We would not like bubu to be jailing anyone for 200 years or shooting them with no proper trials like Rawlings did, twice! That's what failing states do.

That bit about mafia, I'll just pass since its not true. We are not sufficiently developed for Costra Nostra, and we all know there's nothing organised about us.

From your comments, you seem to be one of those average income-earning Nigerians who have never traveled to first world countries to see how things are done.

I agree with the facts presented by ruudvannisteroy. Nigeria was destined to be a failed state and anyone trying to go against the status quo is bound to end up jailed or killed.

However, all hopes are not yet lost. Those kleptomaniacs we have as leaders were products of a faulty electoral system. If we want the best candidates to emerge victorious in elections, two laws first needs to be passed by the NA.

1. A point based voting system should be introduced. You can't equate the vote of ONE illiterate with that of a professor. The reason dumb leaders are elected over credible ones in Nigeria is because majority of Nigerians are dumb illiterates. They lack the mental capacity to process logic. During election, the only thing these illiterates can think of are things like "na our person be dis", "na jagaban go fit share money for us". The morons fail to see the short and long term effects of their actions. And after voting the kleptomaniacs, these morons are the same people that will be used as political touts and internet propagandists to ensure their overlords holds on to office while doing nothing except looting state resources and appointing his kinsmen as collaborators.

In the point-based voting system, votes casts by illiterates with no primary school education = 0.5 points, primary school cert holders= 1point, high school cert holders = 2 point, higher national degree holders = 5points, bachelor's degree holders = 7 points, master's & PhD holders = 10 points.

2. Gradualism should be introduced as part of qualifications for governorship and presidential aspirants. This means that a candidate isn't qualified to contest for a governorship office unless they must have served as either LG chair, state HOA member, commissioner or deputy governor within the previous 9 years. And a presidential aspirant must have served as either a governor, legislator, minister or vice president within the previous 9 years. Period! No one should use Trump as any example here. Nigeria is nothing like America therefore, different stroke applies.
The advantage of this Gradualism is that the electorate will be able to observe the achievements of an aspirant in their previously held offices before deciding whether to vote them into such a sensitive office.

Without the above two laws, Nigeria is going to keep getting kleptomaniacs like Atiku, Bubu, Tinubu et al as leaders. For those Nigerians hoping things will get better after Bubu leaves office in 2023, keep dreaming.

Esseite:
As at today, Nigeria has failed, it has failed to protect lives and properties, it has failed to assist in uplifting its citizens, to top it off, this corona thing has exposed the incompetent FG more, our debt are shooting through the roof with no tangible infrastructure to pay off the loans, rather we are borrowing to pay of loans at higher interest rate.

Debt at $26bn
Reserve at $35bn
Budget at $3bn
New loan requisition at $7bn..

And you still dont see that as failed?

Maybe you just saying this because you tend to align with Buhari and anything APC despite stats and indices showing how bad we have dropped from the bad we used to be in.

Now your modus operandi is to push the blame to the citizens who strive every single day to make ends meet without succour or alleviation from the Government. If you say the Govt provides that, this is the best time to prove it..

alas!, they cant, and the people are left to die in hunger and the ravaging pandemic..

A health minister whom does not even know if frontline officers are given hazard allowance claims to have the pandemic on check, and you dont call that "failed"...

Ruudvanisteroy pointed out vividly that Nigeria needs a new team of technocrats to take over the affairs of things, if not for anything, atleast a change from the status quo, but no.... the APC in you dont see things from that light, rather you claim those on that pedestal are lazy... now the Nigerian Airspace is locked, other countries are not willing to help, our debts are swallowing us up... the hardworking Nigerian has no good hospital, the hardworking Nigerian has no electricity, the hard working Nigerian has no drinkable water, the hardworking Nigerian has no food because terrorism has refused farmers to farm.. just maybe all of these are caused by laziness..

I hope when you wake up to this, you would begin to see things from the perspective of the common man whom cant provide some basic amenities that makes his hardwork a lot easier despite paying to the collective Government and not from a myopic fanatic partisan mindset.

Imagine he was putting the blame to the citizens for not having electricity,portable water,sanitation network and hospitals and absolved the government.

Yujin:
Do you mind him? Black people are another breed of humans. They don't want to face reality. Instead of charting another course when it's obvious that the present has failed, they'll settle for that failed state and continue to decline. People are being slaughtered everyday I their numbers without anyone doing anything about it. All other vices like you all have mentioned is obvious but for some people, we must stay like that. Shame

Sad really. The truth is staring him in the face yet, he argued with another person on whether Nigeria, a country struggling to maintain stability in it’s economy, policies, human development index, socioeconomic, etc is a failed state. A country titled as a poverty capital of the world is his definition, a developing country. Some people just like to lie to themselves.

budaatum:
Does your own Nigeria exist without we the Nigerians who make our Nigeria how it is?

I'm Nigerian. I'm working. That's me. A successful hardworking developing Nigerian. I'm sorry if you have failed.

That’s your definition of a thriving country and a developing country? Are you even aware the indexes they use to measure nations that are developing, failed or developed? You obviously do not.

Yujin:
How did Kagame rise in Rwanda? Was it through elections? Nothing good can head Nigeria from election.

Same way bubu phase 1 rose, and Abacha, and Babangida, to name just a few.

Were you not born when we were fighting for democracy? Have you forgotten why? Are you not strong enough to make it work? Pity.

Are you not aware that Ruudvanisteroy has proposed President Tony Elumelu? Is President Tony Elumelu APC or is your political bias blinding you to progress?

I am Nigerian, and I am not a failure. I am a work in progress. Join in and build your nation so it does not fail instead of talking as if Martians came ro rule Nigeria and ruin it. We do and did!

Esseite:
As at today, Nigeria has failed, it has failed to protect lives and properties, it has failed to assist in uplifting its citizens, to top it off, this corona thing has exposed the incompetent FG more, our debt are shooting through the roof with no tangible infrastructure to pay off the loans, rather we are borrowing to pay of loans at higher interest rate.

Debt at $26bn
Reserve at $35bn
Budget at $3bn
New loan requisition at $7bn..

And you still dont see that as failed?

Maybe you just saying this because you tend to align with Buhari and anything APC despite stats and indices showing how bad we have dropped from the bad we used to be in.

Now your modus operandi is to push the blame to the citizens who strive every single day to make ends meet without succour or alleviation from the Government. If you say the Govt provides that, this is the best time to prove it..

alas!, they cant, and the people are left to die in hunger and the ravaging pandemic..

A health minister whom does not even know if frontline officers are given hazard allowance claims to have the pandemic on check, and you dont call that "failed"...

Ruudvanisteroy pointed out vividly that Nigeria needs a new team of technocrats to take over the affairs of things, if not for anything, atleast a change from the status quo, but no.... the APC in you dont see things from that light, rather you claim those on that pedestal are lazy... now the Nigerian Airspace is locked, other countries are not willing to help, our debts are swallowing us up... the hardworking Nigerian has no good hospital, the hardworking Nigerian has no electricity, the hard working Nigerian has no drinkable water, the hardworking Nigerian has no food because terrorism has refused farmers to farm.. just maybe all of these are caused by laziness..

I hope when you wake up to this, you would begin to see things from the perspective of the common man whom cant provide some basic amenities that makes his hardwork a lot easier despite paying to the collective Government and not from a myopic fanatic partisan mindset.

Yujin:
Wow.. Nigeria lost at least 2 times the population lost by Rwanda and descended worst than her. You seem to love human blood if you're saying we didn't go down less than Rwanda. How many people do you want dead before enough will be enough? Hypocrites and sycophants are as evil as the main criminals(perpetrators). Let me prove it to you. Rwandans case was swift in damage and quick in rectification. From that year till now, unreasonable killings stopped dramatically paving way for the steady growth and development they're enjoying today. In Nigeria's case, the killings lingered and a fake pronouncement was made. Meanwhile, some people assumed the position of conquerors and continued the killings till date. Majority of conquerors bring no growth or development. They're just their for themselves as the fulanis have shown yet Yorubas will side with them. They've succeeded in destroying Nigeria in all facets and led hitherto progressive people to a standstill. See you promising Nigeria was but today her children have turned refugees all over the world despite the wealth she has. Shame on all those defending the indefensible.

Nigeria fought a war. Rwanda was outright genocide. But that really is beside the point.

Nigeria failing means Nigerians have failed, and the evidence does not suggest that to be the case. Many Nigerians are working really hard to make our nation great. Those who are the failures have just given up. Pity.

jeejo:
From your comments, you seem to be one of those average income-earning Nigerians who have never traveled to first world countries to see how things are done.

Could you explain to me why I should bother reading what you just made up in your head and believe? Surely there's no way you can know where I've travelled and how much I earn. If this is indicative of how much research you do before confronting a problem, I would not be surprised if you failed a lot.

budaatum:
Nigeria fought a war. Rwanda was outright genocide. But that really is beside the point.

Nigeria failing means Nigerians have failed, and the evidence does not suggest that to be the case. Many Nigerians are working really hard to make our nation great. Those who are the failures have just given up. Pity.

With an organized crime syndicate in charge of our affairs. Nigeria will never witness 24 hour electricity, portable water access, good sanitation network,world class hospitals and security.
The organized crime syndicates only think about their members and don't give a f**k about anyone else. They call the shots and control the purse strings of the nation.
Unless a rescue team, like the one I proposed comes in and fixes the country. Nigeria is doomed to remain a fantastically corrupt shithole where nothing works and only exists to benefits the members of the mafia.
https://www.nairaland.com/5690877/dream-team-transform-nigeria-2023

budaatum:
Are you not aware that Ruudvanisteroy has proposed President Tony Elumelu? Is President Tony Elumelu APC or is you political bias blinding you to progress?

I am Nigerian, and I am not a failure. I am a work in progress. Join in and build your nation so it does not fail instead of talking as if Martians came ro rule Nigeria and ruin it. We do and did!

It's not in soliciting for Elumelu, but the drive and vigor in soliciting for a caliber like Elumelu (technocrates)..

I am Nigerian aswell, we are not failures.. in short, we are the strands that hold up the Nation because the Govt has failed, if Nigerians put as little as 20% hope on Govt, I dont think Nigeria would exist today.. this pandemic is a litmus test to that and confirms it..

- The Arabs produce and sell same oil we do, their Govt is everything..

- Rwandas growth indices is record breaking and it's not all individual efforts, their Govt is the brain behind it.

RuudVanNisteroy:
Imagine he was putting the blame to the citizens for not having electricity,portable water,sanitation network and hospitals and absolved the government.

The blame is the "citizens"! It is after all the "citizens" who choose the leaders! If we wanted electricity, we would have elected those who would give is electricity, but in your own words:

RuudVanNisteroy:
Nigerians love their fantastically corrupt leaders who use bullion vans to share cash to them and provide stomach infrastructure in the form of rice,eba and egusi.

I thought we were going to discuss how we can get us President Tony Elumelu, whom I pressume will take responsibility for our "electricity, portable water, sanitation network and hospitals" on our behalf, but it seems you and some other "citizens" here have failed already and given up even though its not 2023 yet.

Pity that you would all give up and leave Nigeria to the "Nigerians who love their fantastically corrupt leaders who use bullion vans to share cash to them and provide stomach infrastructure in the form of rice, eba and egusi. I apologise for presuming you were fighters. And I delight that you are a minority. Many Nigerians do not see themselves or their nation as failures.

budaatum:
The blame is the "citizens"! It is after all the "citizens" who choose the leaders! If we wanted electricity, we would have elected those who would give is electricity, but in your own words:



I thought we were going to discuss how we can get us President Tony Elumelu, whom I pressume will take responsibility for our "electricity, portable water, sanitation network and hospitals" on our behalf, but it seems you and some other "citizens" here have failed already and given up even though its not 2023 yet.

Pity that you would all give up and leave Nigeria to the "Nigerians who love their fantastically corrupt leaders who use bullion vans to share cash to them and provide stomach infrastructure in the form of rice, eba and egusi. I apologise for presuming you were fighters. And I delight that you are a minority. Many Nigerians do not see themselves or their nation as failures.

We had to escape to save our lives and secure our children's future. What we witnessed in that country will take years of counselling to fix.
We still care about the country and want to see it get better.

Esseite:
It's not in soliciting for Elumelu, but the drive and vigor in soliciting for a caliber like Elumelu (technocrates)..

I am Nigerian aswell, we are not failures.. in short, we are the strands that hold up the Nation because the Govt has failed, if Nigerians put as little as 20% hope on Govt, I dont think Nigeria would exist today.. this pandemic is a litmus test to that and confirms it..

The Arabs produce an sell same oil we do, Rwandas growth indices is record breaking and it's not all individual efforts.

Thanks for this. But please be aware that we are a democratic nation and our government did not come from Mars. We, the people, elected our government from amongst ourselves, so we, the people, are responsible for the state our nation is in. And as long as we fail to realise we are responsible for Nigeria, we will be doing not so well. (I say "doing not so well" because many realise this already, but more need to realise it).

RuudVanNisteroy:
We had to escape to save our lives and secure our children's future. What we witnessed in that country will take years of counselling to fix.
We still care about the country and want to see it get better.

If you want to see our country get better, and if you are one who puts in effort (which, incidentally could just be reasoning right or bothering to propose a better leader), then I suggest you stop calling yourself a failure before you've begun work.

"Tinubu, El-Rufai, Atiku and other jokers that will keep the country fantastically corrupt" do not think they are failures, and those who do see themselves as failures do no work at all because, what's the point, they failed already.

RuudVanNisteroy:
We had to escape to save our lives and secure our children's future. What we witnessed in that country will take years of counselling to fix.
We still care about the country and want to see it get better.

You are not the only Nigeria needing counselling having witnessed in Nigeria. First time I saw the place I was like, can we go back to Dakar, Conarkry, Freetown or any other capital along Africa's west coast. But Nigeria was the new home.

Claiming you failed before you begun is defeatist and can not possibly be the attitude of the citizens of the country you escaped to, which likely had a rough history too before becoming a country that is safe and secure for you and your children. I bet it was developed that way by its citizens, and must have taken quite a lot of blood and lifes to build too.

If you care, and if you want to see and believe Nigeria can get better, then you would need to stop thinking you have failed before starting to do whatever you might have to do to make Nigeria get better.

If I may ask my dear how do you intend to put Tony Elumelu on the mantle of leadership with this Nigeria Electoral system

budaatum:
Are you not aware that Ruudvanisteroy has proposed President Tony Elumelu? Is President Tony Elumelu APC or is you political bias blinding you to progress?

I am Nigerian, and I am not a failure. I am a work in progress. Join in and build your nation so it does not fail instead of talking as if Martians came ro rule Nigeria and ruin it. We do and did!

JerryGent1983:
If I may ask my dear how do you intend to put Tony Elumelu on the mantle of leadership with this Nigeria Electoral system

That was my question! But I seem to be being told they have failed before even starting!

By working with RuudVanNisteroy who proposed him, I hoped. But it seems he's decided to fail before we even begin. If he had stood firmly behind his man, same way those who put the "Tinubus, El-Rufais, Atikus and other jokers that will keep the country fantastically corrupt" on the mantle of power, which is by campaigning and appealing to the majority and getting whoever we want elected.

If some Nigerians who "love their fantastically corrupt leaders who use bullion vans to share cash to them and provide stomach infrastructure in the form of rice, eba and egusi" can get their jokers elected, we smarter people (and I'm hoping we are smarter), should be able to beat them even "with this Nigeria Electoral system", and elect those who would help us get "electricity, portable water, sanitation network and hospitals" that we seem to want.

budaatum:
That was my question! But I seem to be being told they have failed before even starting!

By working with RuudVanNisteroy who proposed him, I hoped. But it seems he's decided to fail before we even begin. If he had stood firmly behind his man, same way those who put the "Tinubus, El-Rufais, Atikus and other jokers that will keep the country fantastically corrupt" on the mantle of power, which is by campaigning and appealing to the majority and getting whoever we want elected.

If some Nigerians who "love their fantastically corrupt leaders who use bullion vans to share cash to them and provide stomach infrastructure in the form of rice, eba and egusi" can get their jokers elected, we smarter people (and I'm hoping we are smarter), should be able to beat them even "with this Nigeria Electoral system", and elect those who would help us get "electricity, portable water, sanitation network and hospitals" that we seem to want.

Stupid people elect stupid leaders. There is reason the mafia syndicate refuses to fund education.

They want to keep population stupid and poor. It makes them easier to manipulate and they outnumber the educated and smart people 10:1.

budaatum:
That was my question! But I seem to be being told they have failed before even starting!

By working with RuudVanNisteroy who proposed him, I hoped. But it seems he's decided to fail before we even begin. If he had stood firmly behind his man, same way those who put the "Tinubus, El-Rufais, Atikus and other jokers that will keep the country fantastically corrupt" on the mantle of power, which is by campaigning and appealing to the majority and getting whoever we want elected.

If some Nigerians who "love their fantastically corrupt leaders who use bullion vans to share cash to them and provide stomach infrastructure in the form of rice, eba and egusi" can get their jokers elected, we smarter people (and I'm hoping we are smarter), should be able to beat them even "with this Nigeria Electoral system", and elect those who would help us get "electricity, portable water, sanitation network and hospitals" that we seem to want.

We should all work to return power to the people by organising a referendum to know what wants to remain part of this 1914 British incorporated fraud called Nigeria

RuudVanNisteroy:
Stupid people elect stupid leaders. There is reason the mafia syndicate refuses to fund education.

They want to keep population stupid and poor. It makes them easier to manipulate and outnumber the educated and smart people 10:1.

Then it seems we should first start by "funding education" and thereby reducing the "stupid people" don't you think? Perhaps by organising like those "mafia syndicate" "they" who "want to keep population stupid and poor" so "it makes them easier to manipulate and outnumber the educated and smart people".

We can not claim to be "educated and smart people" if the "stupid and poor" can better organise and rule over us.

As individuals, we surely can fund our own individual education, or can we not?

gidgiddy:
We should all work to return power to the people by organising a referendum to know what wants to remain part of this 1914 British incorporated fraud called Nigeria

I think we have many steps before we can start "organising a referendum".

Don't we first have to get power into the hands of those who would help us organise a referendum, if that's what we want?

You want wisdom, knowledge and Understanding to rule, let us Restructure NIGERIA and insist that there be no 2023 without RESTRUCTURING.

Nigerians we are achitect of our own misfortune (bad leaders in quote). Some that I respected so much once told me in 2019 during election campaign that he knows that Buhari has nothing to offer, that his ideas are old school, that there's nothing good that will come out of him. But we should allow him to go back for second tenure, so that he can complete his 8yrs for the north.

I shook my head that day for him, ethnicity and religion will never allow Nigeria to move forward.

The earliest we restructure, the better for Nigeria.

budaatum:
Then it seems we should first start by "funding education" and thereby reducing the "stupid people" don't you think? Perhaps by organising like those "mafia syndicate" "they" who "want to keep population stupid and poor" so "it makes them easier to manipulate and outnumber the educated and smart people".

We can not claim to be "educated and smart people" if the "stupid and poor" can better organise and rule over us.

As individuals, we surely can fund our own individual education, or can we not?

90 percent of children in America attend public basic education. Over 90 percent in the UK also do. In China, I believe 100 percent attend public education.

In a recent argument on public healthcare in America, a senator argued that if there were two healthcare systems running side by side(a public and a private), the government wouldn't invest properly in the public healthcare system, thus ghettorizing the system.

My point is that for Nigeria to develop, we need a properly funded public education system. Nigeria's current earnings may not be enough to accomplish this, so the government will have to make structural changes to its public and civil service and at the same time raise taxes particularly on the rich. Without doing this, Nigeria will most definitely remain a failed state even 500 years from now. If you can't see this, you probably have not thought long and hard enough about Nigeria's problems.

The present crop of elite Nigerians in the public and civil service and private sector do not subscribe to this policy because of a backward culture common with Africans. I, myself, am a reasonably paid civil servant, but can see the writing clearly on the wall.

Monjerk:
Nigerians we are achitect of our own misfortune (bad leaders in quote). Some that I respected so much once told me in 2019 during election campaign that he knows that Buhari has nothing to offer, that his ideas are old school, that there's nothing good that will come out of him. But we should allow him to go back for second tenure, so that he can complete his 8yrs for the north.

I shook my head that day for him, ethnicity and religion will never allow Nigeria to move forward.

The earliest we restructure, the better for Nigeria.

It was rather unfortunate that the choice was between bubu and Atiku. I think we elected the lesser of two evils. And I think it was impossible to elect Atiku. But 2023 is around the corner. If we do nothing we deserve whomever the poor and the stupid impose on us.

Tianamen1:
90 percent of children in America attend public basic education. Over 90 percent in the UK also do. In China, I believe 100 percent attend public education.

In a recent argument on public healthcare in America, a senator argued that if there were two healthcare systems running side by side(a public and a private), the government wouldn't invest properly in the public healthcare system, thus ghettorizing the system.

My point is that for Nigeria to develop, we need a properly funded public education system. Nigeria's current earnings may not be enough to accomplish this, so the government will have to make structural changes to its public and civil service and at the same time raise taxes particularly on the rich. Without doing this, Nigeria will most definitely remain a failed state even 500 years from now. If you can't see this, you probably have not thought long and hard enough about Nigeria's problems.

The present crop of elite Nigerians in the public and civil service and private sector do not subscribe to this policy because of a backward culture common with Africans. I, myself, am a reasonably paid civil servant, but can see the writing clearly on the wall.

Personally, I think parents should be responsible for their child's education, especially since government does not seem inclined to. I guess I'm well into personal responsibility, and not its abrogation.

If I can't educate my child I should consider not adding to the pool of "stupid and poor people" who "love their fantastically corrupt leaders who use bullion vans to share cash to them and provide stomach infrastructure in the form of rice, eba and egusi". Educated people usually find ways to provide for their own "stomach infrastructure" without having to rely on "fantastically corrupt leaders who use bullion vans to share cash".

budaatum:
It was rather unfortunate that the choice was between bubu and Atiku. I think we elected the lesser of two evils. And I think it was impossible to elect Atiku. But 2023 is around the corner. If we do nothing we deserve whomever the poor and the stupid impose on us.

We also had Moghalu who was by far the most qualified candidate.

By 2023, APC and PDP will put two clowns again and the illiterate masses of Nigeria will choose between the lesser evil, rather than voting in a competent cadidate from a smaller party.

Tianamen1:
We also had Moghalu who was by far the most qualified candidate.

By 2023, APC and PDP will put two clowns again and the illiterate masses of Nigeria will choose between the lesser evil, rather than voting in a competent cadidate from a smaller party.

Moghalu did not stand a chance. The work to make him stand a chance had not been done and we are here now deciding if we shall do the work to make his like stand a chance but unfortunately many are claiming they failed already.

Come 2023, we'd therefore likely have another "clown" as President because nations only can get the leaders they work for and deserve.

budaatum:
Personally, I think parents should be responsible for their child's education, especially since government does not seem inclined to. I guess I'm well into personal responsibility, and not its abrogation.

If I can't educate my child I should consider not adding to the pool of "stupid and poor people" who "love their fantastically corrupt leaders who use bullion vans to share cash to them and provide stomach infrastructure in the form of rice, eba and egusi". Educated people usually find ways to provide for their own "stomach infrastructure" without having to rely on "fantastically corrupt leaders who use bullion vans to share cash".

It should be the responsibility of the government. The most successful nations have the most educated population. And that is what countries such as Rwanda,Botswana and Namibia have realized. A significant amount of their budget goes to education and the funds a properly utilized. It is no wonder they are leaving the rest of the continent behind.

When Bill Gates came to Nigeria he repeated this same thing. Any nation that does not invest in the leaders of tomorrow will remain a failed state.

RuudVanNisteroy:
Stupid people elect stupid leaders. There is reason the mafia syndicate refuses to fund education.

They want to keep population stupid and poor. It makes them easier to manipulate and they outnumber the educated and smart people 10:1.

You can't call people stupid when they're only presented with the same recycled selection of useless leaders to choose from. It's been the same old baboons running that country for the past 50 years!

Just look at last election for example we were presented with two options: Atiku vs Buhari.. both are corrupt old men who have sat on the wings of power for decades now - unfortunately the oldest and dullest one of the two won but that doesn't mean things would've been better if Atiku won.

All of these dirty, power-hungry old men must die off first before Nigeria can even smell hope.