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krysten:
The entire study, it's 1yr sir

Hi Dencotext

This is an insightful pieces that you've written. And I would love to have your digits (call/chat) for urgent clarification.

Thanks

Dencotext:
Hi all,

After many years, God's favorite pikin is in the forum once more to give you guys a little advice.

Well I am in Italy now. If you are going to do your master, and moreover if you are sponsoring yourself, then you do not need to attach any birth certificate from NPC... that was my case. I know my rights so when the (African lady) staff from Italian consular office in Abuja called me on phone asking that I must also bring my birth certificate, I made sure she understood that it did not apply to me... she should go and ask her consular officer... who when he came on the phone told her (after asking me some questions) that it is not applicable to people in my category.

Why is it applicable and when is it not applicable? Although you could choose to do it anyway if you want even when it is not applicable.

If you are being sponsored by your family (you know a thirdparty sponsorship is not allowed) then it is a must that you should attach your birth certificate, even if you are going to do your master degree.

I once worked online with a university and we review docs coming in from allover the world, so I have a firsthand knowledge on how documentation verification exercise is carried out in general, it is not magical... the last person I counseled was a girl who was denied visa here at the Italian embassy in Lagos and she contacted me. By the time I reviewed how she packaged the visa that was denied, and pointed out the mistakes made and how to correct them, she repackaged the visa application as instructed and today she is in Italy. The funny thing is that no two person case that are denied visa may be exactly identical, because our packages are reviewed based on the categories we fit in, but basically there is two major categories which we could be placed
1. whether you are sponsoring yourself
2. or whether another person is sponsoring you
Any one of these two methods greatly change the way your application for student visa would be reviewed. The greatest example being the use of birth certificate not being necessary for those sponsoring themselves (even if you are not going to do a master degree). But becomes absolutely necessary for those who someone else may be sponsoring them, because the names of the one who is supposed to be your parent is stated on the birth certificate and it gives the reviewing officer facts that the person sponsoring you is your father or mother if it corresponds with name on the birth certificate. If it does not, and an uncle or brother is sponsoring you, the birth certificate incriminates you, so you have to attach court declaration of guardian/sponsorship and also prove of the family connection that exist between you and that member. If you fail to add extra documents apart from the court declaration, to prove the family connections, the visa reviewer may be unable to prove that they are your relatives, and so the person would be considered to be a thirdparty. And your visa application would be denied.

In the case of this girl that was denied visa, she was almost screaming at me on the phone that it was indeed her father who was sponsoring her (actually the person was by law her step father, because the mother remarried after the death of her father). But I made her understand how blind her argument was because the visa office would not know this fact, unless your father's name on the birth certificate matches your step father's name, but as it is, they are different. So no matter the court declaration that he is your guardian, it would not make sense. The visa office can only accept family sponsorship, which is a bit different from someone undertaking to sponsor you, that is why guardianship is highly suspicious. So I will add the third category
3. the trickish issue of guardianship

For a guardian to qualify as family and not a thirdparty, you must attach extra documents. There must be a legal or court declaration of sponsorship, and the second document should tackle the motive why they are sponsoring... like the fact they are (1) your husband (2) adopted parents (3) step father (4) relatives or brethren... outside these, someone with no family or legal tie is automatically a thirdparty. And again, each of these subcategories comes with some challenges to prove them. I will only single out two for explanations.... THE CASE OF A STEP FATHER AND THE CASE OF HUSBAND.

Having processed documents for my online university, we can only accept the name change of ladies that got married if they also attach their marriage certificate to explain why their academic documents bears a different surname from their current passport or ID. In that case, no need for court affidavit for name change, because marriage is a legal institution covered by the certificate.

In the case of a step father, as I had to think for some hours or days before I counseled that girl, the process of reviewing is about how legal and convincing your documents are. It made the greatest sense to me, who was well trained to review documents coming into my university from allover the world, that a step father proof can be proven systematically by including the following documents.... a) your birth certificate, which has your late father's name, and mother's name on it (that would be sufficient and more satisfactory than attaching their marriage certificate) b) the death certificate of your late father, c) the new marriage certificate of your mother to your step father d) a commitment letter of sponsorship from the court.... because in truth a step father, who did not born you, is not legally mandated to be your sponsor if they choose not to, so they must commit themselves legally to be considered your custodian. When this girl followed this series of inexplicable steps which I recommended for her, and presented all these documents, along with a letter of apology acknowledging that she realized why she was denied visa based on that fact.... she was granted the visa. She complained that the period to appeal has passed, but I kept reminding her that the visa application was not supposed to interfere with people's destiny if they meet the requirement...so if your university gives you admission, you can still arrive anytime during the first semester which last for about 4 to 6 months.

My Admission just came in form University of Bologna

Guys i need a urgent clarification on this Family Income Affidavit.

Due to the fact that am sponsoring myself, how do you think i should approach this Family Income Affidavit in such a way that it will benefit me.

Q1. Should I include the amount in my own personal Account or not.

Q2. If i do, will it affect my chances of obtaining scholarships or a reduced tuition fee?

Please i need info from those who have gone through this before or those who have the info.

Thanks in anticipation

For which course and how much is the tuition per year? Please what’s your CGPA no vex

neccki:
My Admission just came in form University of Bologna

Guys i need a urgent clarification on this Family Income Affidavit.

Due to the fact that am sponsoring myself, how do you think i should approach this Family Income Affidavit in such a way that it will benefit me.

Q1. Should I include the amount in my own personal Account or not.

Q2. If i do, will it affect my chances of obtaining scholarships or a reduced tuition fee?

Please i need info from those who have gone through this before or those who have the info.

Thanks in anticipation

Telecommunications Engineering. The Tuition Fee is 3300 Euros

I had 2:2

Skymoore1004:
For which course and how much is the tuition per year? Please what’s your CGPA no vex

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The list of Documents you need to submit is will be listed for you during your Application process. It could be different if applying to other schools.

Skymoore1004:
Thanks you’ve given me hope with my 2:2
What documents did you submit for admission and how were you assessed? Also what is the application fee?

How much was the application fee?

I asked to know if you had to legalise your documents before you applied

neccki:
The list of Documents you need to submit is will be listed for you during your Application process. It could be different if applying to other schools.

I don't think i paid any application fee for University of Bologna. I paid for other 3 universities I applied to though but not University of Bologna

And I didn't legalize my documents for the Admission Process.

Skymoore1004:
How much was the application fee?

I asked to know if you had to legalise your documents before you applied

Okay thank you

neccki:
I don't think i paid any application fee for University of Bologna. I paid for other 3 universities I applied to though but not University of Bologna

And I didn't legalize my documents for the Admission Process.

neccki:
Hi Dencotext

This is an insightful pieces that you've written. And I would love to have your digits (call/chat) for urgent clarification.

Thanks

Please send me an email and mention here to me that you have sent me an email. I will respond and send you my whatsapp num. If you don't remind me here I might not check as many people also have sent me email before.

regizoch:
OK

Please send me an email via nairaland so we can exchange contacts and chat... And let me know here when you did it.

I sent you an email already, please check.

Thanks

Dencotext:
Please send me an email and mention here to me that you have sent me an email. I will respond and send you my whatsapp num. If you don't remind me here I might not check as many people also have sent me email before.

Dencotext:
Please send me an email via nairaland so we can exchange contacts and chat... And let me know here when you did it.

Dencotext, I sent you a mail. My name is krysten. I want clarification on declaration of value exemption I got from my school.

neccki:
I sent you an email already, please check.

Thanks

Please contact via my email at ODOEMKRIS at yahoo dot com as I checked but nairaland didn't send it to me yet. Why does these happen or delay in arriving sometimes for even days?

I apologized. Please for those I did not ask to send me email, I will be having my final year exams for my master degree this month of MAY so for now I will only respond to this two people I accepted to contact me.

krysten:
Dencotext, I sent you a mail. My name is krysten. I want clarification on declaration of value exemption I got from my school.

Please contact via my email at ODOEMKRIS at yahoo dot com as I checked but nairaland did not send it to me yet, I don't know why.

neccki:
My Admission just came in form University of Bologna

Guys i need a urgent clarification on this Family Income Affidavit.

Due to the fact that am sponsoring myself, how do you think i should approach this Family Income Affidavit in such a way that it will benefit me.

Q1. Should I include the amount in my own personal Account or not.

Q2. If i do, will it affect my chances of obtaining scholarships or a reduced tuition fee?

Please i need info from those who have gone through this before or those who have the info.

Thanks in anticipation

Please can you share any response you get concerning this question?

Ade1998:
Please can you share any response you get concerning this question?

You may contact if you wish... my email is stated above.

Dencotext:
You may contact if you wish... my email is stated above.

Please sir I also have concerns regarding the scholarship because I want to apply for the veneto regional scholarship (University of Padua) I don't know if it will be convenient for you from your previous comment I'm aware you're preparing for your exams but your input will go a long way in helping me and my colleagues too who are also interested in applying.
If you don't mind can I also send a mail? Thanks

Dencotext:
You may contact if you wish... my email is stated above.

Kindly check your mail. Thank you.

please what is the minimum funds in Euros someone should have in his/her account before he is issued Student Visa

Ade1998:
Kindly check your mail. Thank you.

Ok I just responded now.

amikable97:
Please sir I also have concerns regarding the scholarship because I want to apply for the veneto regional scholarship (University of Padua) I don't know if it will be convenient for you from your previous comment I'm aware you're preparing for your exams but your input will go a long way in helping me and my colleagues too who are also interested in applying.
If you don't mind can I also send a mail? Thanks

Yes it is possible to apply for any Italian scholarship even while still in Nigeria. But since they do not accept our documents but only their own documents, you have to take your financial documents (yours or your parents own depending on who is sponsoring you) to the embassy to do what you guys call FAMILY INCOME DECLARATION, just as you do DOV too. If you don't make a formal request for it, separate from your visa, it would not be done.

Most schools refer to this document as ISEE (if I am not mistaken) but some of us that failed to do it via the Italian embassy in Nigeria, were lucky that their government office called CAF, in the city we lived in here in Italy, accepted to do it for us... they call it PARIFICATO or something like that.

All scholarship body in Italy will definitely ask you for the ISEE document so it is better you attach it, and you will be a stone throw from being accepted almost automatically. Our African income is always substantially lesser than their own, they almost always consider us.

What else do you want to ask me? Are you satisfied with my answer? If you are not, then I will have to ask you whether you have done the ISEE document yet, which is known as DECLARATION OF FAMILY INCOME?

Dencotext:
Yes it is possible to apply for any Italian scholarship even while still in Nigeria. But since they do not accept our documents but only their own documents, you have to take your financial documents (yours or your parents own depending on who is sponsoring you) to the embassy to do what you guys call FAMILY INCOME DECLARATION, just as you do DOV too. If you don't make a formal request for it, separate from your visa, it would not be done.

Most schools refer to this document as ISEE (if I am not mistaken) but some of us that failed to do it via the Italian embassy in Nigeria, were lucky that their government office called CAF, in the city we lived in here in Italy, accepted to do it for us... they call it PARIFICATO or something like that.

All scholarship body in Italy will definitely ask you for the ISEE document so it is better you attach it, and you will be a stone throw from being accepted almost automatically. Our African income is always substantially lesser than their own, they almost always consider us.

What else do you want to ask me? Are you satisfied with my answer? If you are not, then I will have to ask you whether you have done the ISEE document yet, which is known as DECLARATION OF FAMILY INCOME?

Sir please what is the minimum funds in Euros one has got to have in his/her account before he or she will be issued visa.. for example the Germans demand you block about €10,235 a friend told me that of Italy is way lower but did not give me a definite sum so i want to know what it is..Thanks

Knaruto:
Sir please what is the minimum funds in Euros one has got to have in his/her account before he or she will be issued visa.. for example the Germans demand you block about €10,235 a friend told me that of Italy is way lower but did not give me a definite sum so i want to know what it is..Thanks

The truth is that it was not stated but read this forum, this issue have been answered severally. A minimum of €480 per month for sustenance by foreign students (maybe multiply that by a year or two, or 6 month, if your program is that short) was what was on Italian government website two years back...check now. If someone is sponsoring you, bulk money upfront is preferable and made sense like 3 million or more depending on your means actually. If you are sponsoring yourself, then means of sustenance while studying is also a good proof, because you can still be getting stipends monthly by your job or work... In that case bulk money is not absolutely necessary but at least have flight tickets money and up to 6 months money upfront for upkeep... a million or not less than €2000 could be okay for that, provided that money may still come from your work for upkeep. These guys hate you being a liability to them, so a zero account cannot be accepted.

Dencotext:
Yes it is possible to apply for any Italian scholarship even while still in Nigeria. But since they do not accept our documents but only their own documents, you have to take your financial documents (yours or your parents own depending on who is sponsoring you) to the embassy to do what you guys call FAMILY INCOME DECLARATION, just as you do DOV too. If you don't make a formal request for it, separate from your visa, it would not be done.

Most schools refer to this document as ISEE (if I am not mistaken) but some of us that failed to do it via the Italian embassy in Nigeria, were lucky that their government office called CAF, in the city we lived in here in Italy, accepted to do it for us... they call it PARIFICATO or something like that.

All scholarship body in Italy will definitely ask you for the ISEE document so it is better you attach it, and you will be a stone throw from being accepted almost automatically. Our African income is always substantially lesser than their own, they almost always consider us.

What else do you want to ask me? Are you satisfied with my answer? If you are not, then I will have to ask you whether you have done the ISEE document yet, which is known as DECLARATION OF FAMILY INCOME?

No I haven't done it I don't even know what documents I need to do the declaration of family income
I Saw a post saying I need to attach rental agreement of where I stay including bank balance of accounts
then finally sworn affidavit showing family composition etc of which I don't know if all these are truly what we are to get

My parents are the ones sponsoring me cos I just finished service and do not have a job yet. But I want to know when I request for the family income declaration at the embassy and the amount is smaller than the amount for visa interview won't it be a red flag or disqualify me from getting the visa when I finally apply for the visa? Because the regional scholarship opens ending of July

Please what documents are required and how do I prepare them to prevent confusion or complication because to be honest I really need this scholarship. Please can I mail you?

amikable97:
No I haven't done it I don't even know what documents I need to do the declaration of family income
I Saw a post saying I need to attach rental agreement of where I stay including bank balance of accounts
then finally sworn affidavit showing family composition etc of which I don't know if all these are truly what we are to get

My parents are the ones sponsoring me cos I just finished service and do not have a job yet. But I want to know when I request for the family income declaration at the embassy and the amount is smaller than the amount for visa interview won't it be a red flag or disqualify me from getting the visa when I finally apply for the visa? Because the regional scholarship opens ending of July

Please what documents are required and how do I prepare them to prevent confusion or complication because to be honest I really need this scholarship. Please can I mail you?

Make a request at the embassy for them to evaluate your financial documents, they will tell you. You can get such info from their embassy sites about ISEE evaluation. If you are sponsoring yourself, then your financial documents used for visa like bank statement, payslips, and employment letter. If its your parent, apart from bank statement, if they are working its important to proof what they earn monthly too. The shocking thing is that ISEE is simply the evaluated earning range of your family per month. Like €0-€1000, €2000-€5000, €6000-€10000, and so on...it does not have any bearing on your bank statement for visa. They are two separate processes. ..its only used for scholarship to determine how much benefits you could get or not get that is if your parents are billionaires for instance. You can even get zero ISEE if they are not working or earning much, which helps you get scholarship preference above richer students.

Dencotext:
The truth is that it was not stated but read this forum, this issue have been answered severally. A minimum of €480 per month for sustenance by foreign students (maybe multiply that by a year or two, or 6 month, if your program is that short) was what was on Italian government website two years back...check now. If someone is sponsoring you, bulk money upfront is preferable and made sense like 3 million or more depending on your means actually. If you are sponsoring yourself, then means of sustenance while studying is also a good proof, because you can still be getting stipends monthly by your job or work... In that case bulk money is not absolutely necessary but at least have flight tickets money and up to 6 months money upfront for upkeep... a million or not less than €2000 could be okay for that, provided that money may still come from your work for upkeep. These guys hate you being a liability to them, so a zero account cannot be accepted.

Good morning Sir.. So that means that an account balance of €7,000 apart fro school fees is enough for them to grant me Visa right?

Dencotext:
Make a request at the embassy for them to evaluate your financial documents, they will tell you. You can get such info from their embassy sites about ISEE evaluation. If you are sponsoring yourself, then your financial documents used for visa like bank statement, payslips, and employment letter. If its your parent, apart from bank statement, if they are working its important to proof what they earn monthly too. The shocking thing is that ISEE is simply the evaluated earning range of your family per month. Like €0-€1000, €2000-€5000, €6000-€10000, and so on...it does not have any bearing on your bank statement for visa. They are two separate processes. ..its only used for scholarship to determine how much benefits you could get or not get that is if your parents are billionaires for instance. You can even get zero ISEE if they are not working or earning much, which helps you get scholarship preference above richer students.

since i am sponsoring myself.