yak:



u are very correct. I had the same mindset which made me abandon a programme I was doing then but recently I met a guy that did his masters in NOUN who's now a lecturer in a federal University. yes he did PhD in a conventional Uni. I had to come back.
meanwhile, I know jobless PhD holders. I know one that's currently doing adjunct with a state Polytechnic. he did B.a, M.A n PhD in UI

Very rare to come by though.

TheLaughter:
I am a NOUN Masters holder... I hold a BSc degree from UNN...

Going to NOUN was a mistake for me, I would have sacrificed more and go for a conventional University...

I have been applying for lecturing jobs for more the 3 years now, to no avail. I have no other choice than to attribute it to the certificate I presented.

Just an eye opener, it seems they are just using us for revenue generation, they do not want to intervene in the stereotyping that have rendered their certificates almost useless...

The only thing the certificate is useful for is to further your studies, no big industry takes it serious.

My advice; go for your PhD.

Most universities, including mine, only consider registered PhD students for Assistant Lecturer positions. This is a global trend. Having an Msc just doesn't cut it anymore, so I doubt that your rejections has got much to do with the NOUN factor.

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God knows TMA assistance is making NOUN lose credibility and respect in the eye of the public. Hardly anyone takes NOUN graduates seriously these days. Scoring 30 marks freely is becoming the major talk of the town, and this is doing plenty of damage to both the institution and the body of students/alumni.

Many of us do not know the impact of this. Soon, many employers will stylishly discriminate against NOUN graduates, with the belief that they earned free marks without putting in the required effort. At the end of the day, the students who are seeking free 30 marks will be the ones to suffer for it.

I just wish there is a way to put an end to all this. I am not taking a shot at any businesses doing this. But I'm just stating my observation and the adverse effect of these things in both the short term and long term.

Seems no one talks about these things these days. But no matter how long we choose to keep quiet about it, it will come back to bite us all.

Ribasandez:
God knows TMA assistance is making NOUN lose credibility and respect in the eye of the public. Hardly anyone takes NOUN graduates seriously these days. Scoring 30 marks freely is becoming the major talk of the town, and this is doing plenty of damage to both the institution and the body of students/alumni.

Many of us do not know the impact of this. Soon, many employers will stylishly discriminate against NOUN graduates, with the belief that they earned free marks without putting in the required effort. At the end of the day, the students who are seeking free 30 marks will be the one to suffer for it.

I just wish there is a way to put an end to all this. I am not taking a shot at any businesses doing this. But I'm just stating my observation and the adverse effect of these things in both the short term and long term.

Seems no one talks about these things these days. But no matter how much we choose to keep quiet about it, it will come back to bite us all.

You made great points however, if you have ever seen the general performance of students, you will wonder what happened to the TMA scores. TMA as the name implies is an Assignment and in any assignment, it doesn't really matter how the student get to find the solutions - textbooks, peer groups, lecturers, etc.
I have seen how students perform during exams. You see many students not able to score 10/70 in an e-exam. The system is still very difficult for majority of the students thereby making the 30/30 almost insignificant. Distance learning is different in many aspects to the classroom system hence you cannot fully operate like the other conventional Universities.
I have students whose results are so terrible in spite of the so called 30/30 TMA. I advised one 200L Public Administration student to start all over because out of 17 courses she has sat for, she has passed only 4. The remaining are F. I later found out the student went ahead to continue this semester though. Many PG students cannot graduate even after passing all courses because their CGPA is less than the required 3.0.
My conclusion is that, the system is still quite difficult in spite the ease with which students can score a high score in their TMAs which makes it insignificant to be considered.

Ribasandez:
God knows TMA assistance is making NOUN lose credibility and respect in the eye of the public. Hardly anyone takes NOUN graduates seriously these days. Scoring 30 marks freely is becoming the major talk of the town, and this is doing plenty of damage to both the institution and the body of students/alumni.

Many of us do not know the impact of this. Soon, many employers will stylishly discriminate against NOUN graduates, with the belief that they earned free marks without putting in the required effort. At the end of the day, the students who are seeking free 30 marks will be the one to suffer for it.

I just wish there is a way to put an end to all this. I am not taking a shot at any businesses doing this. But I'm just stating my observation and the adverse effect of these things in both the short term and long term.

Seems no one talks about these things these days. But no matter how much we choose to keep quiet about it, it will come back to bite us all.

I agree with you 100%.

However, the issue of right answers getting marked wrong prompts alot of students who'd have in normal circumstances attempted the TMA questions themselves, to seek these alternatives.

So before devising a means to end all these, they'd have to work on standardizing their system first. I wouldn't want to gamble with even 1 mark.

Enskynelson:

You made great points however, if you have ever seen the general performance of students, you will wonder what happened to the TMA scores. TMA as the name implies is an Assignment and in any assignment, it doesn't really matter how the student get to find the solutions - textbooks, peer groups, lecturers, etc.
I have seen how students perform during exams. You see many students not able to score 10/70 in an e-exam. The system is still very difficult for majority of the students thereby making the 30/30 almost insignificant. Distance learning is different in many aspects to the classroom system hence you cannot fully operate like the other conventional Universities.
I have students whose results are so terrible in spite of the so called 30/30 TMA. I advised one 200L Public Administration student to start all over because out of 17 courses she has sat for, she has passed only 4. The remaining are F. I later found out the student went ahead to continue this semester though. Many PG students cannot graduate even after passing all courses because their CGPA is less than the required 3.0.
My conclusion is that, the system is still quite difficult in spite the ease with which students can score a high score in their TMAs which makes it insignificant to be considered.

That the exams are difficult doesn't justify the free 30 marks though. Nothing does.

How do you rationalize this to outsiders (employers, colleagues from other universities), who do not know about NOUN exams?

MrJaay:


That the exams are difficult doesn't justify the free 30 marks though. Nothing does.

How do you rationalize this to outsiders (employers, colleagues from other universities), who do not know about NOUN exams?

Free 30 marks? Can u define that? How free is the 30 marks? The so-called free 30/30 is by implication that students should be passing very well. But is that the case? What is the significance when UG students still struggle to get 40/100 and PG students the required 50/100 even with the so-called free 30 marks?

Enskynelson:

Free 30 marks? Can u define that? How free is the 30 marks?

You share your login details with someone, sit back and await your 30/30 guaranteed marks. Isn't that free?

MrJaay:


You share your login details with someone, sit back and await your 30/30 guaranteed marks. Isn't that free?

Remember what I said earlier... TMA remains an assignment and if u choose to do yours like that, remember it's not all of the students that does that.

Enskynelson:


But is that the case? What is the significance when UG students still struggle to get 40/100 and PG students the required 50/100 even with the so-called free 30 marks?

That some students still write and fail some exams doesn't justify the free 30 marks they got unethically, no matter how insignificant it is to their final grades.

School points are made to be earned, with hard-work, so if a student is meant to earn 10/100, then he/she should get exactly 10/100 and not 40/100, because that is the accurate reflection of such student's academic performance.

This way, the institution maintains it's reputation, integrity, worth.

Enskynelson:

Remember what I said earlier... TMA remains an assignment and if u choose to do yours like that, remember it's not all of the students that does that.

Okay sir.

MrJaay:


doesn't justify the free 30 marks they got unethically

U gave an assignment to your student in the University, and he take the assignment to his friend for instance who assists him and and he passes. Tell me, is it unethical? This is not a test but an assignment. I hope you see some light from my points sha.

Enskynelson:

U gave an assignment to your student in the University, and he take the assignment to his friend for instance who assists him and and he passes. Tell me, is it unethical? This is not a test but an assignment. I hope you see some light from my points sha.

Only that in this case, the assistance is not in form of tutoring, teamwork, mentorship, or anything that requires the said student to participate or learn.

Also, we're not talking about just one or two courses, but the entire courses that the said student is taking for that semester.

If anything, this practice makes for why they end up doing guess work and failing in the final exams, because they need not read the course material or anything even, to get their 30/30.

I do get your point though, not every student fall under this category.

MrJaay:


Only that in this case, the assistance is not in form of tutoring, teamwork, mentorship, or anything that requires the said student to participate or learn.

Also, we're not talking about just one or two courses, but the entire courses that the said student is taking for that semester.

If anything, this practice makes for why they end up doing guess work and failing in the final exams, because they need not read the course material or anything even, to get their 30/30.

I do get your point though, not every student fall under this category.

@MrJaay, so what do you suggest the university do to correct this anomaly? While i am not trying to justify the unethical behavior of students who pay for their TMAs to be done for them, you have to also note that NOUN is a distance learning program and ordinarily there's shouldn't be physical contact with students, but NOUN has ensured that students go to chosen study centres to write exams which in a way gives credence to the fact that they are trying to curb cheating, imagine if they decide to do everything online, the cheating rate would have been too much. I would suggest that NOUN should reduce the TMA to 15marks(5 marks per TMA)so the students know that even if the hv "free" 15 marks they need to put in so much to meet with the required pass mark in the exam, I would also like to add that the TMAs be timed and let it be that each students answer different types, meaning, my TMA questions should be different from the other person's. To completely rubbish NOUN program is unfair to those who are doing their best. NOUN need to only outsmart the students and those doing the TMAs for students.

MrJaay:


Only that in this case, the assistance is not in form of tutoring, teamwork, mentorship, or anything that requires the said student to participate or learn.

Also, we're not talking about just one or two courses, but the entire courses that the said student is taking for that semester.

If anything, this practice makes for why they end up doing guess work and failing in the final exams, because they need not read the course material or anything even, to get their 30/30.

I do get your point though, not every student fall under this category.

That will be the fault on the side of the student, don't u think so cos the main article points to the University and the system forgetting the lazy student who gave out all his assignments to be done for him/her by another person.

pyrated:


I would suggest that NOUN should reduce the TMA to 15marks (5 marks per TMA)


To completely rubbish NOUN program is unfair

I like your suggestion. Reducing the TMA mark is good, but removing it completely and making the final exams over 100 would be best.

About "completely rubbishing" the programme, I don't think I have done that Sir. I just pointed out some ills. If anything, I loved all of my postgraduate course materials. I still make reference to them every now and then.

Enskynelson:

That will be the fault on the side of the student, don't u think so cos the main article points to the University and the system forgetting the lazy student who gave out all his assignments to be done for him/her by another person.

But the university system gave the enabling environment for the abuse of TMAs, so faulting the system as the main article has done is justifiable.

MrJaay:


But the university system gave the enabling environment for the abuse of TMAs, so faulting the system as the main article has done is justifiable.

I don't understand HOW though. The truth is that an average Nigerian doesn't believe in integrity. And we are all part of the system. There won't be a market if there are not sellers and buyers. Why not on your part refuse to patronise those advertising for them to do your TMA? The change begins with you and me. Peace.

pyrated:


@MrJaay, so what do you suggest the university do to correct this anomaly? While i am not trying to justify the unethical behavior of students who pay for their TMAs to be done for them, you have to also note that NOUN is a distance learning program and ordinarily there's shouldn't be physical contact with students, but NOUN has ensured that students go to chosen study centres to write exams which in a way gives credence to the fact that they are trying to curb cheating, imagine if they decide to do everything online, the cheating rate would have been too much. I would suggest that NOUN should reduce the TMA to 15marks(5 marks per TMA)so the students know that even if the hv "free" 15 marks they need to put in so much to meet with the required pass mark in the exam, I would also like to add that the TMAs be timed and let it be that each students answer different types, meaning, my TMA questions should be different from the other person's. To completely rubbish NOUN program is unfair to those who are doing their best. NOUN need to only outsmart the students and those doing the TMAs for students.

Your idea is welcomed but setting different TMA questions for all students seems kind of impossible. NOUN have over 150,000 active students .

We have so many persons who come here dropping their contacts for TMAs and none of you writing all these have ever raised any issue against them. The students are simply OK with the way things are.
MrJaay call them out and tell them to stop making a joke of NOUN and you too should quit patronising them. When they don't get business from you, and other students, the biz will die.
Pyrated Your idea is fine but remember TMA is not an online test. It is an online assignment. Unless the name is altered to begin with, you cannot put timing on the TMA. Note also that with the current level of digitization, our country network infrastructure is still quite poor. If they put a time and your network is poor, what happens to the person?
Ribasandez Let's tackle the issue from all sides. The management has a role to play to ensure integrity of the TMA, avoid leakages. But the students have more role to play because NOUN cannot disallow a student who wants to give out his assignments to be done by another. When it comes to an exam, you know how it is. You can't sit for another person. And that's the definition of exam.
As for those advertising TMA solutions for students here and in other platforms Samisha50, anthonyo, rrreer etc... You are also not helping the students. Sanitizing the system is a collective responsibility especially when it comes to ethics and not rules and regulations.
Peace to everyone who made salient contribution to the issue of TMA raised here.

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MrJaay:


That the exams are difficult doesn't justify the free 30 marks though. Nothing does.

How do you rationalize this to outsiders (employers, colleagues from other universities), who do not know about NOUN exams?

No mark is free. If you don't study to do your assignment, you pay for it on your exam. Can't you see that? I advise students to study for their TMAs. If you studied for your TMAs even if it is searching through PDF soft copies, u will know it is not free.

Less I forget.. TMA 2 is coming up this Saturday. 18/04/2020 prepare.

Everybody here has made salient points. It's a good thing this is being discussed on this platform.

I wasn't targeting NOUN's management and staff, but was sharing my concern about how this issue may in the short term and long term affect every stakeholder (NOUN students, alumni, and the institution).

Which is why I said, 'I just wish something can be done about it'. I believe in some ways, this issue may have an impact on

1. Employer's perception of a graduate
2. Public opinion
3. The image of the school

I know it's incredibly tough to battle these challenges, but I just wish something can be done about them. It's definitely not easy managing a distance learning institute, especially here in Nigeria.

Even other universities have their imperfections, but the TMA (30/30) publicity is becoming the 'talk of the town', and its effect on stakeholders cannot be denied. Students from other schools will not understand that the exams are an eliminator for many unserious students (even if that is the case), neither will the employers who may hear about these things from the grapevine. The fact that some folks pay for their TMAs to be done just gives the wrong impression (even though it's not entirely the school's fault).

If the format of the TMA can be changed to curb these unethical practices, it would be great.

My prayer is that more creative ways can be developed to guard against the abuse of the system.

Thank you for your contributions

MrJaay
Enskynelson
Pyrated

And everybody else

Ribasandez:
Everybody here has made salient points. It's a good thing this is being discussed on this platform.

I wasn't targeting NOUN's management and staff, but was sharing my concern about how this issue may in the short term and long term affect every stakeholder (NOUN students, alumni, and the institution).

Which is why I said, 'I just wish something can be done about it'. I believe in some ways, this issue may have an impact on

1. Employer's perception of a graduate
2. Public opinion
3. The image of the school

I know it's incredibly tough to battle these challenges, but I just wish something can be done about them. It's definitely not easy managing a distance learning institute, especially here in Nigeria.

Even other universities have their imperfections, but the TMA (30/30) publicity is becoming the 'talk of the town', and its effect on stakeholders cannot be denied. Students from other schools will not understand that the exams are an eliminator for many unserious students (even if that is the case), neither will the employers who may hear about these things from the grapevine. The fact that some folks pay for their TMAs to be done just gives the wrong impression (even though it's not entirely the school's fault).

If the format of the TMA can be changed to curb these unethical practices, it would be great.

My prayer is that more creative ways can be developed to guard against the abuse of the system.

Thank you for your contributions

MrJaay
Enskynelson
Pyrated

And everybody else

What measures do you think the school can put in place to ensure this issue is curbed?

Most NOUN students are far better than some students of conventional institutions. But because of the way the school was instituted, our lips are sealed, we cannot boast with our school when in public. It's absolutely bad for us.

You are right from your perspective though, but there are even more challenges which I think the school should look into. Talking about TMA, except you are suggesting that it should be scrapped completely and make the exam over 100, there is no other options that wouldn't bring severe disadvantages when implemented. The main aim of that assignment is to ensure that students put more seriousness having knowing that the TMA score will go long way on total grading. So from the school perspective, students are expected to put more seriousness in studying. To me it's difficult getting a perfect solution to curb the issue while maintaining the relevance of the TMA.

Your three bullet points are essential points the school must deliberate on, and ensure that they provide better solution to restore the school's dignity. But if they must start, when deliberating in the aspect of discrimination, what must first be considered is the mode of admission by NOUN. Just admitting students without setting a proper test is the first thing affecting the school's reputation. If at all they don't want a test, they should use jamb(with a fixed cut-off mark e.g 160 above) as part of the prerequisite for admitting students. Restoring the school's dignity and allowing the employers and the general public value the school's products must first start from my above illustration. Even if TMA is scrapped, people will still discriminate the school and look down on its products. The mode of admission is worst than that 30/30 you are even talking about.

Another one is the aspect of online facilitation. There are much more issues with the school jare...

The issue with NOUN TMA being 30marks and a talk of the town for employers is really not an issue considering how other Open Universities in the world operate. Before now, the TMA was 40marks and was later reduced to 30marks.

Compared to conventional Universities in the Country, a whole lot is done behind the scene that are not made public e.g the 75% attendance of students in lectures before being allowed to write exams which is not followed, the continuous moderation upon moderation(I.e adding of marks) when students fail/ perform so badly, the let my people go thing, the serious rate of bribery and corruption, the sex for marks, the purchase of certificates, area of concentration during exams, duplication of assignment by students, etc.

When compared to NOUN I think and believe the difference is clear. Moreso, it is easier to go to a conventional University than to study in NOUN. Only serious and dedicated students make a good result from NOUN.

30 Marks is never the issue but the quality of graduates produced goes a long way. NOUN students are still doing great exploit out there.

My one cent though....

ade2291:





What measures do you think the school can put in place to ensure this issue is curbed?

Most NOUN students are far better than some students of conventional institutions. But because of the way the school was instituted, our lips are sealed, we cannot boast with our school when in public. It's absolutely bad for us.

You are right from your perspective though, but there are even more challenges which I think the school should look into. Talking about TMA, except you are suggesting that it should be scrapped completely and make the exam over 100, there is no other options that wouldn't bring severe disadvantages when implemented. The main aim of that assignment is to ensure that students put more seriousness having knowing that the TMA score will go long way on total grading. So from the school perspective, students are expected to put more seriousness in studying. To me it's difficult getting a perfect solution to curb the issue while maintaining the relevance of the TMA.

Your three bullet points are essential points the school must deliberate on, and ensure that they provide better solution to restore the school's dignity. But if they must start, when deliberating in the aspect of discrimination, what must first be considered is the mode of admission by NOUN. Just admitting students without setting a proper test is the first thing affecting the school's reputation. If at all they don't want a test, they should use jamb(with a fixed cut-off mark e.g 160 above) as part of the prerequisite for admitting students. Restoring the school's dignity and allowing the employers and the general public value the school's products must first start from my above illustration. Even if TMA is scrapped, people will still discriminate the school and look down on its products. The mode of admission is worst than that 30/30 you are even talking about.

Another one is the aspect of online facilitation. There are much more issues with the school jare...

Nice input. You made clear points there and I agree with you completely on the issues raised and your views. Remember though that HND holders gets 200L in NOUN as against 300L I'm most institutions. And PG admission is like other institutions as well. So, the admission you are referring to is 100L specifically.
The aspect of online facilitation, can you please throw more light please.

gwinzy:
The issue with NOUN TMA being 30marks and a talk of the town for employers is really not an issue considering how other Open Universities in the world operate. Before now, the TMA was 40marks and was later reduced to 30marks.

Compared to conventional Universities in the Country, a whole lot is done behind the scene that are not made public e.g the 75% attendance of students in lectures before being allowed to write exams which is not followed, the continuous moderation upon moderation(I.e adding of marks) when students fail/ perform so badly, the let my people go thing, the serious rate of bribery and corruption, the sex for marks, the purchase of certificates, area of concentration during exams, duplication of assignment by students, etc.

When compared to NOUN I think and believe the difference is clear. Moreso, it is easier to go to a conventional University than to study in NOUN. Only serious and dedicated students make a good result from NOUN.

30 Marks is never the issue but the quality of graduates produced goes a long way. NOUN students are still doing great exploit out there.

My one cent though....

You still don't understand what I have said. I didn't say anything about 30 marks being set for the tests. I wish you will go through the two write-ups I posted.

If you read both carefully, you will understand that I am drawing emphasis on something else. I didn't say anything about NOUN graduates being substandard or subpar. I am, after all, a NOUN graduate.

My posts have not been in anyway derogatory, but have instead pinpointed some issues that really need to be addressed.

You can't deny that some employers still discriminate against NOUN graduates, and some people try to write them off. All I'm saying is maybe we should devise ways to improve the image of our institution so that every NOUN student can proudly say they attend NOUN.

This concerns you, me, all the students and alumni, and the NOUN staff and management.

Seems the direction of this discussion is being changed...

NOUN admission process is open and flexible as should.

The discussion was centered on the issue of payment for TMA assistance by students and how it affects the school image.

MrJaay:
Seems the direction of this discussion is being changed...

NOUN admission process is open and flexible as should.

The discussion was centered on the issue of payment for TMA assistance by students and how it affects the school image.

MrJaay, thank you for your perception and discernment.
The sale of TMA answers and the TMA assistance is a vile practice that is becoming more and more conspicuous. It has now become NOUN's Achilles heel. Whenever you say you attend NOUN, another person says 'is it that school where they buy free 30 marks'. It degrades the school's image.

And the impact is extensive. That is what I am saying.

And true, some people commenting are misunderstanding what the subject matter is.

hemmark:
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