₦airaland Forum

sulaak:
The Mambilla hydropower project costing just 6 billion dollars with a capacity of 3 gigawatts is over price . Siemen supplied 3 x 4.8GW power plants to Egypt at the cost of $9billion. Ethiopia Millennium hydroelectric dam will cost $4 billion and generate 6GW

The type of power plant matters a lot. In the case of Siemens I think that was gas powered plants. They are much cheaper because of the technology involved. As for hydro, it requires lots of on site contruction and building of water turbines and also the settlement of displaced people. The construction part adds to the cost of hydro technology. In the case of Nigeria, they borrowed money from China and that attracts interest. I'm thinking the deal is more like hire purchase deal where you buy now and pay a huge sum over the years - something like what car dealers are doing.

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Staphylococcus:
Nigeria's demand cannot be met by solar. It's far too expensive and considering our demand, it's out of the picture.

It's an unreliable and bulky tech.

Nuclear waste are well handled now and same time less radioctive. Things have changed in this era. The tech is now certified.

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Staphylococcus:
Hello, Solar has never been a major source of lower generation in any Nation that can be compared to Nigeria. The tech is an add-on in any country and its damn expensive.

With regards to the case of Nigeria, it can't work, cos we far off from what is required and we need a tested and proven tech to get us there.

Nuclear energy as it stands today is the most reliable and efficient tech in power generation. That can't be taken away. Advancement has made it very safe.

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Staphylococcus:
Who am I in the puzzle? Everything boils down to leadership. This leaders know what's right. Don't think they don't have an idea about what's being discussed. They do. If they want to get things done, they will, but corruption and sabotage will never make that happen if the electorates keep making same mistakes.

Nest election now, they will still be routing for the same people killing them.

Let me tell you the truth. Though is my personal opinion which I have a right to. And my conusion is not based on mere belief or hearsay as I can always buttress and defend opinion.

Nigeria is doomed!

A generation needs to be wiped off before that country can have a second chance, which is impossible. So it will continue to be that way.

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Staphylococcus:
Do you always read what you composing and factor to subject being discussed?

Now you mentioning technologies that are still in developmental stages with unfound reliability.

You idea will only compound our problems as the county will just be used for a test ground. Nuclear has delivered in many countries and proven to be safe, efficient and reliable.

Hello, if we must meet our national demand with all proven techs available, Nuclear is the way to go.

Gbam!

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Staphylococcus:
Nigeria's demand cannot be met by solar. It's far too expensive and considering our demand, it's out of the picture.

It's an unreliable and bulky tech.

Nuclear waste are well handled now and same time less radioctive. Things have changed in this era. The tech is now certified.

The only problem with solar is that people are rigid and don't want to change their energy hungry devices.
You didn't even my questions.

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Staphylococcus:
Human capacity in the absence of steady electricity?

Agriculture and business, what drives this sectors?

Energy is the bane root.

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ironheart:
Bros, we talk too much, nothing stops us from harnessing the power of coal. Coal is wasting away in Enugu state. coal is the way

Wat About Global Warming

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Staphylococcus:
Read what you composing.

You have failed to factor in what's demanded and the best and most efficient way to get reach it.

Oh! We should go solar to generate 50k MW or go thermal that is about being faced out. Tell me more.. wind turbines or Hydro.

Nuclear will get Nigeria the desired efficient and reliable capacity.

We talking about powering up a Nation with large energy deficit and not lightening up a village.

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Staphylococcus:
How will the child grow to that age if not fed.

He will definitely die of hunger before he gets the fowl leg.

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donbachi:
What africa need is human capacity building,agriculture,business and people friendly policies and open market..not some nuclear energy.

Bro, Africa needs energy right now

Aficans and too much paper talks.


Hydropower has been on 4-5000 mw since 1985.

The only nuclear power plant in Africa is in south Africa.


That's all

Sydney1995:
Bruv I have nothing to prove to u man.
90% of all nuc waste are low to intermediate level radioactive waste meaning they have a short half life. This ain't about providing u with info source. I work in this industry so I know what am saying. If u want prove inbox me x
Actually Nigeria ain't which I think we all know but a few African countries are on their way to adopting nuc - SA already have one, Rwanda is in the process I believe

Exactly, majority of the wastes are LLWs with short half lives.

Most of them are not into the industry and will find it even difficult to understand even when you make it so simple for them. They have so programmed their brain that it is dangerous.

Will send a DM

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Staphylococcus:
Nigeria's demand cannot be met by solar. It's far too expensive and considering our demand, it's out of the picture.

It's an unreliable and bulky tech.

Nuclear waste are well handled now and same time less radioctive. Things have changed in this era. The tech is now certified.

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benji93:
Short half-life? How short? We are still talking about decades here. I doubt you are an expert on the subject man. Did you say 90%? Can you provide the source of this information? The concerns of the media is well-placed. Nigeria and Africa at large is not ready for nuclear power.

I have provided you with the data. It's actually an internal source but if you are in the industry you should know what the abbreviations are. I can also tell you what is classified as VLLW and LLW

Supersymetry:
I have a question for you.
Do you know that the food you eat come from solar energy perhaps your house, car etc
Or do you know the amount of energy the sun delivers to Earth every day.
Do you know that nuclear fission energy is not renewable, though it doesn't affect CO2 level, but it is not good to the environment

What do you mean by the emboldened? Are you speaking from your head knowledge or from a state of known?

Jobia:
really??

From what I've seen so far, nuclear accidents seems more serious than both combined..

Lol, Nuclear Reactors are built to short itself should it experience uncommon conditions such as natural disaster. Most nuclear accidents occurred not because the reactors failed to short down but due to natural disaster leading to the inability of the reactor to continue it's cooling process. Chynobly, Fukushima, all happened because the reactor was over flooded. Same can happen to anything including a building falling due to flooding and the rest.

Nuclear Power Plants are the most safest

JetStar:
The type of power plant matters a lot. In the case of Siemens I think that was gas powered plants. They are much cheaper because of the technology involved. As for hydro, it requires lots of on site contruction and building of water turbines and also the settlement of displaced people. The construction part adds to the cost of hydro technology. In the case of Nigeria, they borrowed money from China and that attracts interest. I'm thinking the deal is more like hire purchase deal where you buy now and pay a huge sum over the years - something like what car dealers are doing.

Ethiopia Grand Millennium Dam will cost $4.8 billion and generate 6GW two time Nigeria capacity at less the cost.

$6 billion will generate 10 GW using Siemen combine cycle power plant which can be delivered in less than 3 years.

Originally, in 2011, the hydropower plant was to receive 15 generating units with 350 MW nameplate capacity each, resulting in a total installed capacity of 5,250 MW with an expected power generation of 15,128 GWh per annum.[29] However, due to the upgrading of the power plant and the housing facilities, its generation capacity was uplifted to 6,000 MW from 5,250 MW, with a power generation of 15,692 GWh per annum through 16 generating units with 375 MW nameplate capacity each. In 2017, the design was again changed to add another 450 MW, with a power generation of 16,153 GWh per annum.[4][30] That was achieved by upgrading 14 of the 16 generating units from 375 MW to 400 MW without changing the nameplate capacity

The estimated US$4.8 billion construction cost, apparently excluding the cost of power transmission lines, corresponds to about 5% of Ethiopia's gross domestic product of US$87 billion in 2017.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Ethiopian_Renaissance_Dam

meetme01:
Small countries.? What about if 15states in the North make use of solar and the South make use coal while the west make use of dams and other means. Is that not a way forward.? Just asking. Ready to learn.

Lol, you made a valid visualization of the energy mix or model that Nigeria should operate on. We shouldn't depend on only one source. We should have alot of sources. I agree, some states should use solar (but solar is so hard to maintain, requires alot of batteries, on the long run, you waste so much money. Trying to change panels, maintaining panels, etc. ). But it's a good option.

One striking advantage of Nuclear Power Plant is that once you start it, you will be sure you will have 24/7 electricity supply for the next 6 months except in emergency shutdown mode. It does not depend on anything apart from accidents. But Solar depends on weather conditions which is constantly changing. Depending on the intensity of the wind, it could destroy your panels, or you may not have enough sun during rainy season.

But Nuclear doesn't depend on anything.

babyfaceafrica:
No.. We are not ready yet

Technically yes
We are not but why

Supersymetry:
I have a question for you.
Do you know that the food you eat come from solar energy perhaps your house, car etc
Or do you know the amount of energy the sun delivers to Earth every day.
Do you know that nuclear fission energy is not renewable, though it doesn't affect CO2 level, but it is not good to the environment

But Oga. The sun is a product of nuclear reactions, fission rections specifically, so what is the problem with having your own little sun in a lead box under your control. The sun is a fantastic source of energy. The problem is the control. It is far more difficult to convert solar energy at the cheap without the bigger problem that the earths backs down every 12 hours or so popularly called night.

Can you imagine what will happen to the earth and humans if you didn't have night. Just compare a microwave oven to a barbaque. People will burn alive. Night time is the biggest factor making renewables of all kinds impractical at the top end of demand curve and expensive at the bottom end AT THE MOMENT.

mrphysics:
See, stop exciting your mind with technological advancement that can't be mass produced. You think if it's that easy, US will have over 20 Nuclear Power Plants? Same with France with over 50 Nuclear Reactors.

Why do you believe that lithium batteries can’t be mass produced?

There are even other battery chemistries better than lithium, like salt water batteries, that are recyclable.

You can’t just dismiss the growth of technology when you have thousands of researchers working round the clock to come up with new things. Even in your own life, I’m sure you’ve seen tech improvements in your phones, the way you consume music and so on.

Truth is, even with the rains, Africa still has the perfect weather for Solar power and if other countries with lower sun hours in Europe can generate upwards of 10,000mw of electricity through solar, then who are we to say it’s not feasible with our weather?

No way

VaselineCrew:
Why do you believe that lithium batteries can’t be mass produced?

There are even other battery chemistries better than lithium, like salt water batteries, that are recyclable.

You can’t just dismiss the growth of technology when you have thousands of researchers working round the clock to come up with new things. Even in your own life, I’m sure you’ve seen tech improvements in your phones, the way you consume music and so on.

Truth is, even with the rains, Africa still has the perfect weather for Solar power and if other countries with lower sun hours in Europe can generate upwards of 10,000mw of electricity through solar, then who are we to say it’s not feasible with our weather?

Lol, the point is that you have to force every Nigerian to use the battery in order to keep recycling it. For how long? Those countries in Europe using solar still depend on France for electricity. Hence, the reason France remains the biggest electricity exporters in Europe. You know why? About 85% of their electricity come from Nuclear. It is clean and safe. The safest in Europe.

Ravon:
https://brandspurng.com/2020/04/22/should-africa-consider-the-nuclear-energy-route/

Bla bla bla....it a no no..we ain't ready.the discipline to maintain a nuclear plant ,we still lack...and its accident is usually monumental..

MR. President Give Me Minister Of Nuclear.

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Ravon:
https://brandspurng.com/2020/04/22/should-africa-consider-the-nuclear-energy-route/

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Nope

mrphysics:
Lol, you made a valid visualization of the energy mix or model that Nigeria should operate on. We shouldn't depend on only one source. We should have alot of sources. I agree, some states should use solar (but solar is so hard to maintain, requires alot of batteries, on the long run, you waste so much money. Trying to change panels, maintaining panels, etc. ).. But it's a good option.

One striking advantage of Nuclear Power Plant is that once you start it, you will be sure you will have 24/7 electricity supply for the next 6 months except in emergency shutdown mode. It does not depend on anything apart from accidents. But Solar depends on weather conditions which is constantly changing. Depending on the intensity of the wind, it could destroy your panels, or you may not have enough sun during rainy season.

But Nuclear doesn't depend on anything.

I wonder where you got the wrong notion that solar is hard to maintain, and hold tenuously to that belief. Good solar panels are expected to last 25 years before degrading to less than 80%. The component that is expensive to purchase and maintain is the battery bank. There is a design solution that doesn't make use of a large battery bank (or even battery bank at all).

The use of micro inverters on each panel converts the dc voltage directly to ac and thus eliminate the need for solar controllers, inverters or batteries. The only drawback is that you have energy only when the sun is shining.

This model can be applied to office or commercial complexes that operates during the day. It can also be used to supply power to a village or small town during the day, and other power sources are used for night time.

mrphysics:
Lol, Nuclear Reactors are built to short itself should it experience uncommon conditions such as natural disaster. Most nuclear accidents occurred not because the reactors failed to short down but due to natural disaster leading to the inability of the reactor to continue it's cooling process. Chynobly, Fukushima, all happened because the reactor was over flooded. Same can happen to anything including a building falling due to flooding and the rest.

Nuclear Power Plants are the most safest

okayy, I somehow get your point sha

mrphysics:
What do you mean by the emboldened? Are you speaking from your head knowledge or from a state of known?

It's very deep to explain it,
Do you know:
The Earth is even finite.
The problem with exponential growth.

mrphysics:
Lol, you made a valid visualization of the energy mix or model that Nigeria should operate on. We shouldn't depend on only one source. We should have alot of sources. I agree, some states should use solar (but solar is so hard to maintain, requires alot of batteries, on the long run, you waste so much money. Trying to change panels, maintaining panels, etc. ). But it's a good option.

One striking advantage of Nuclear Power Plant is that once you start it, you will be sure you will have 24/7 electricity supply for the next 6 months except in emergency shutdown mode. It does not depend on anything apart from accidents. But Solar depends on weather conditions which is constantly changing. Depending on the intensity of the wind, it could destroy your panels, or you may not have enough sun during rainy season.

But Nuclear doesn't depend on anything.

Thanks for enlightening. Aside the huge funds for the construction, what are the other fears of African leaders in embarking on such projects for the growth of the continent. I thought it was mainly due to waste which I even thought was the cause of Hiroshima. But someone up there has explained in detailed the cause ot Hiroshima. With what you painted, we have the land mass, we need electricity to revive our economy rather than wasting money in all these power projects that keeps on draining our reserves. What is the main problem?