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decatalyst:
Yes o!

It started with allowing females to drive, go the stadium...now this. I am sure beheading will be abolished soon.

Civilization is finally finding it's roots in that country. I hope the blind and staunch followers get liberated too.

piroskey94:
One step at a time bro. They'll surely get there someday

omonnakoda:
That is the problem with Islam it tends to see everything through the prism of enmity with Christians and Jews.

There are billions if people with NO CREED whatsoever who find all creeds objectionable and Islam particularly repugnant

Was it Jews or Christians that forced the Saudi to make this move.

Rather than proffer a view on flogging you are talking about Jews and Christians.

Jews DO NOT want anyone to follow their creed infact their is little room for conversion to Judaism because they largely shun that. If you had any education you would know that.
Judaism is based on the principle of being a special people inherited from your mother. You don't Join

Judaism has the same or similar teaching about corporal punishment
THERE ARE NO CASES OF JEWS FORCING ANYONE TO JOIN AT SWORD POINT UNLIKE ISLAM

Ayilara1:
People like you always want to show yourself at every simple opportunity and I've seen you jumping from quoting one person to the other - critizing all religion.

There's no sense in being someone that jumps and talk about everything just for talking sake.

If you've read through the trend you'll see jubilations due to this abhorrent of the punishment, who are those jubilating? Are they not the disbelievers - Christian from different parts of this country.

So, how does me Quoting a relevant part of Qur'an now an off point?

Lastly, I don't talk much with aethist(what's d spelling self) - you're bunch of arrogant individual with limited knowledge just like the science you choose as rationale.

Good day.

Ayilara1:
People like you always want to show yourself at every simple opportunity and I've seen you jumping from quoting one person to the other - critizing all religion.

There's no sense in being someone that jumps and talk about everything just for talking sake.

If you've read through the trend you'll see jubilations due to this abhorrent of the punishment, who are those jubilating? Are they not the disbelievers - Christian from different parts of this country.

So, how does me Quoting a relevant part of Qur'an now an off point?

Lastly, I don't talk much with aethist(what's d spelling self) - you're bunch of arrogant individual with limited knowledge just like the science you choose as rationale.

Good day.

Ayilara1:
People like you always want to show yourself at every simple opportunity and I've seen you jumping from quoting one person to the other - critizing all religion.

There's no sense in being someone that jumps and talk about everything just for talking sake.

If you've read through the trend you'll see jubilations due to this abhorrent of the punishment, who are those jubilating? Are they not the disbelievers - Christian from different parts of this country.

So, how does me Quoting a relevant part of Qur'an now an off point?

Lastly, I don't talk much with aethist(what's d spelling self) - you're bunch of arrogant individual with limited knowledge just like the science you choose as rationale.

Good day.

Ayilara1:
People like you always want to show yourself at every simple opportunity and I've seen you jumping from quoting one person to the other - critizing all religion.

There's no sense in being someone that jumps and talk about everything just for talking sake.

If you've read through the trend you'll see jubilations due to this abhorrent of the punishment, who are those jubilating? Are they not the disbelievers - Christian from different parts of this country.

So, how does me Quoting a relevant part of Qur'an now an off point?

Lastly, I don't talk much with aethist(what's d spelling self) - you're bunch of arrogant individual with limited knowledge just like the science you choose as rationale.

Good day.

Ayilara1:
People like you always want to show yourself at every simple opportunity and I've seen you jumping from quoting one person to the other - critizing all religion.

There's no sense in being someone that jumps and talk about everything just for talking sake.

If you've read through the trend you'll see jubilations due to this abhorrent of the punishment, who are those jubilating? Are they not the disbelievers - Christian from different parts of this country.

So, how does me Quoting a relevant part of Qur'an now an off point?

Lastly, I don't talk much with aethist(what's d spelling self) - you're bunch of arrogant individual with limited knowledge just like the science you choose as rationale.

Good day.

9jaRealist:


Cosmetic “changes” in a country still largely mired in the 17th century...
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omonnakoda:
Fanatics like to attack and label every one
Jew
Disbelievers
Christian


Stop attacking and deal with issues

1. Is it true or false tha Jews do not welcome converts
2. Is it tru that Muhamid went to his adopted sons house saw her naked and then claimed Allah had revealed the following verses to him effectively commanding the young man to divorce her so he Muhamid could take over

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Surah Al-Ahzab


And it becometh not a believing man or a believing woman, when Allah and His messenger have decided an affair (for them), that they should (after that) claim any say in their affair; and whoso is rebellious to Allah and His messenger, he verily goeth astray in error manifest. (36) And when thou saidst unto him on whom Allah hath conferred favour and thou hast conferred favour: Keep thy wife to thyself, and fear Allah. And thou didst hide in thy mind that which Allah was to bring to light, and thou didst fear mankind whereas Allah hath a better right that thou shouldst fear Him. So when Zeyd had performed that necessary formality (of divorce) from her, We gave her unto thee in marriage, so that (henceforth) there may be no sin for believers in respect of wives of their adopted sons, when the latter have performed the necessary formality (of release) from them. The commandment of Allah must be fulfilled. (37) There is no reproach for the Prophet in that which Allah maketh his due. That was Allah's way with those who passed away of old - and the commandment of Allah is certain destiny - (38) Who delivered the messages of Allah and feared Him, and feared none save Allah. Allah keepeth good account. (39)


This so called revelation served ONLY ONE PURPOSE

To force ZAID IBN MUHAMMAD his adopted son to hand over his wife and at the same time declaring that there was NO MORE ADOPTION for MUSLIMS

because of Muhammad's lust Muslims cannot adopt orphans to this day

Ayilara1:


Mtcheew

Did I sound like a Muslim you can confuse? You've decided to wallow in ignorance and you laced it with arrogance, who I'm I to see you free?

To you you've made sense up there?

omonnakoda:
You can see that you and your prophet are VERY CONFUSED calling Christians disbelievers.

This is what the Quran has to say
2.62
Lo! Those who believe (in that which is revealed unto thee, Muhammad), and those who are Jews, and Christians, and Sabians - whoever believeth in Allah and the Last Day and doeth right - surely their reward is with their Lord, and there shall no fear come upon them neither shall they grieve. (62

This Sura was revealed in Mecca


WHAT CHANGED?

Well to a discerning mind it is clear tha Muhammad copied the bible. When he was in Mecca he sought validation from those doctrines. When he got to Medina the Jews rejected his wacky ideas and he became their enemy committing genocide against the Jews of Banu Qurayza.

The bottom line is once you have impeached the bible you have impeached the Quran . They are both largely fictional stories from the Middle east with no relevance for black Africans whom the Arabs view as subhuman and even put up for sale on Facebook

omonnakoda:
You call Christians disbelievers but your Quran says



And We caused Jesus, son of Mary, to follow in their footsteps, confirming that which was (revealed) before him in the Torah, and We bestowed on him the Gospel wherein IS guidance and a light, confirming that which was (revealed) before it in the Torah - a guidance and an admonition unto those who ward off (evil). Let the People of the Gospel judge by that which Allah hath revealed therein. Whoso judgeth not by that which Allah hath revealed: such are evil-livers. S. 5:46-47

Are Muslims not confused?

omonnakoda:
Did Muhammid command his adopted son to divorce his wife so Muhammid could marry him and did he claim this was a commandment of Allah?

YES OR NO?

I have provided the evidence from the Quran .

Anyone can verify this easily.


God had nothing to do that day and decided the best thing to do was to reward his prophet with Zaid his ADOPTED SON'S wife and at the same time abolished the whole practice of ADOPTION among Arabs

Ayilara1:


You're the confused person here and it shows you're a lazy aethiest or researcher that just pick things from site and never read for yourself.

You're one of the lowly aeth.. Have seen before

According to the Qur'an, Jesus was no Christian and he was a Muslim just like prophet before him and what does the Torah and injeel guide to? The coming of Muhammed.

Till today, if there's a Christian or Jew somewhere and never heard about Muhammed before and follows strictly the real revealed books he will still make paradise for he his a believer.

Ayilara1:
Even if I explain to you will you still believe? NO

But I'll still post an explanation so that you won't think I'm one of those ignorant Muslim

The verse, the reason for its revelation and a summary of its meaning:

Allaah said (interpretation of the meaning):

“And (remember) when you said to him (Zayd bin Haarithah رضى الله عنه the freed‑slave of the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم) on whom Allaah has bestowed grace (by guiding him to Islam) and you (O Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم too) have done favour (by manumitting him): ‘Keep your wife to yourself, and fear Allaah.’ But you did hide in yourself (i.e. what Allaah has already made known to you that He will give her to you in marriage) that which Allaah will make manifest, you did fear the people (i.e., their saying that Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم married the divorced wife of his manumitted slave) whereas Allaah had a better right that you should fear Him. So when Zayd had accomplished his desire from her (i.e. divorced her), We gave her to you in marriage, so that (in future) there may be no difficulty to the believers in respect of (the marriage of) the wives of their adopted sons when the latter have no desire to keep them (i.e. they have divorced them). And Allaah’s Command must be fulfilled”

[al-Ahzaab 33:37]

Shaykh ‘Abd al-Rahmaan al-Sa’di (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

The reason for revelation of these verses was that Allaah wanted to a prescribe a law for all believers, that adopted sons did not come under the same rulings as real sons, in any way, and that there was nothing wrong with those who had adopted them marrying their wives (after divorce).

This was one of the regular customs which could not be changed except by means of a major incident. So Allaah wanted this law to be introduced by the words and actions of His Messenger. When Allaah wills something, He creates a cause for it. Zayd ibn Haarithah was called Zayd ibn Muhammad. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) had adopted him and he was called by that name until the verse “Call them (adopted sons) by (the names of) their fathers” [al-Ahzaab 33:5] was revealed, then he became known as Zayd ibn Haarithah.

He was married to Zaynab bint Jahsh, the daughter of the paternal aunt of the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). It had occurred to the Messenger that if Zayd divorced her, he might marry her, and Allaah decreed that there should happen between her and Zayd that which would cause Zayd ibn Haarithah to come and ask the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) for permission to divorce her.

Allaah said “And (remember) when you said to him (Zayd bin Haarithah رضى الله عنه __ the freed‑slave of the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم) on whom Allaah has bestowed grace” i.e., by blessing him with Islam.

“and you (O Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم too) have done favour” i.e., by manumitting him. When he came to you to consult you about leaving her, you told him, advising him despite what you felt in your heart towards her: “Keep your wife to yourself”, i.e., do not leave her, and bear whatever you face from her with patience. “and fear Allaah” in all your affairs in general, and with regard to your wife in particular, for fearing Allaah encourages one to be patient.

“But you did hide in yourself that which Allaah will make manifest”. What he was hiding was that if Zayd divorced her, he (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) would marry her.

“you did fear the people” when you did not disclose what you were thinking, “whereas Allaah had a better right that you should fear Him”, because fearing Him brings all goodness and wards off all evil.

“So when Zayd had accomplished his desire from her” means, when he willingly turned away from her and separated from her, “We gave her to you in marriage” and We only did that for an important purpose, which is, “so that (in future) there may be no difficulty to the believers in respect of (the marriage of) the wives of their adopted sons” when they see that you married the (former) wife of Zayd ibn Haarithah, who had previously been named after you.

Tafseer al-Sa’di (p. 665, 666)

There is a great difference between the idea that what he (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was concealing in his heart was love for Zaynab, and the fact that what was being concealed was his thinking of marrying her. It is for this reason that Zaynab (may Allaah be pleased with her) used to boast that the One Who had arranged her marriage was Allaah, may He be exalted, as stated above, where we quoted the report concerning that from Saheeh al-Bukhaari. This supports the correct view and no other view is acceptable, that what he was concealing was the idea of marrying her, and that he was afraid of what the people would say about that.

Ayilara1:


Your ignorance is top-notch



Indeed, those who believed and those who were Jews or Christians or Sabeans [before Prophet Muhammad] - those [among them] who believed in Allah and the Last Day and did righteousness - will have their reward with their Lord, and no fear will there be concerning them, nor will they grieve

2. Again you're a stack ignorance

Muhammed (PBUH) copied bible? Someone that can't write or read ... How did he copied it?

And if you copy something there should be atleast 50% similarities ... Where are the great similarities?

omonnakoda:
Which Ayah in the Quran describes Jesus as a Muslim?

Yours is to abuse mine is to give evidence.

Everything I said I ha e provided evidence for.

I already provided evidence of
Confusion in Muhamid's mind
2.62

Lo! Those who believe (in that which is revealed unto thee, Muhammad), and those who are Jews, and Christians, and Sabians - whoever believeth in Allah and the Last Day and doeth right - surely their reward is with their Lord, and there shall no fear come upon them neither shall they grieve. (62)


That is what he said about Christians answer that and stop ranting

Ayilara1:
For someone with understanding, it easy to know that this verse is talking life before Jesus

Our religion is not restricted to muhammed , those that were present before Muhammed - Noah, Solomon, david, Jacob all there followers will make heaven if they follow them and that's d similitude of what the verse is explaining.

omonnakoda:
You are contradicting yourself. Did Islam start before Muhammid. You said Jesus was a Muslim
So according to that doctrine ALL BELIEVERS ARE MUSLIM

How do I know he could not read ? Even if he could not read so what ? Is reading the only way to learn the Quran?
Why should reading be the only way to learn the contents of the bible?

Among the Yoruba people have been learning IFA for centuries without literacy so kini big deal?

Recitation of poetry was a revered art among Arabs

Ayilara1:
You know nothing seriously and you don't worth my time.

If you read only the first 10verses of the Qur'an you'll know no one is a Muslim except that he must believe in all the prophet before Muhammed.

We don't distinguish between them ... They are all Muslims and preach towards one God which is Islam.

So if he copied it ... Where are the similarities?

omonnakoda:
Were they Muslims?or did Islam start with Muhammid?

omonnakoda:
So that means there is nothing like Jew or Christian or Sabaen? Or how are they different?

Ayilara1:
Don't go and bring the verse of " and Muhammed is the first Muslim" here too cos I can smell what you are aiming at, I'm not a Muslim you can confuse.

Let me finish with this

God created one religion - monotheism, and it is the practice of all prophet from Adam to moses.

The Jew believed in moses but rejected Jesus
The xtian believed in Jesus but rejected Muhammed and that is difference between us.

omonnakoda:
Who did Allah send to the Yoruba people in Yoruba language?

Ayilara1:
God described them with what they ascribe themselves to.

Ayilara1:
Muhammed, he was sent to all.

What about those that doesn't here about him?

They will be judged about what they feel within themselves as either right or wrong - fitrah.

Not everybody that has graced this earth has heard about a prophet from God.

omonnakoda:
Hahaha


Did Muhammad go to Zaid Ibn Muhammad house when he was not there ,see Zainab naked and them command Zaid to divorce so he could marry her?

omonnakoda:
Hahaha


Did Muhammad go to Zaid Ibn Muhammad house when he was not there ,see Zainab naked and them command Zaid to divorce so he could marry her?