Modikko:
That’s where you actually belong

Tell me you don't knack akpako.........

Lexusgs430:



Tell me you don't knack akpako.........

Na their girls bad pass bro. They don't even like it, but they have to put up with that lifestyle of hypocrite and "holiness" during the day, cos that's the society they've found themselves in.

I especially like cumming on their hijabs after the do. It gives me a good sense of satisfaction.

Jamariwolff:
the truth hurts they say. Stop hitting forehead on the floor To invoke an audio god

Says somebody who worships a "God" that was "nailed" to the cross by his own creatures.

When you look into the spec in your neighbor's eye there's a big log inside yours.

cezarman:


Lol... You're a clown.
No need to waste time with you.

Says someone who looks exactly like a clownish idiot .

Lexusgs430:



Did I hear you pig say Christians a have sense of entitlement?

And you think having a thread you must swear on, is a level playing field ?

I hope you eat a decent pig's meal, when you break your fast.......

I have said my piece.
You can chew on that dumbo!

Friend22:


I have said my piece.
You can chew on that dumbo!

Like you pig's chew on corpses.....

Lexusgs430:



Like you pig's chew on corpses.....

We will continue to terrorize e-rats like you with truth till you crawl back into the hole your crawled out from.

Friend22:


We will continue to terrorize e-rats like you with truth till you crawl back into the hole your crawled out from.

Terrorise....... Impossibility..... Keep recruiting your terrorists for the slaughter and non existent virgins......

Bunch of deluded human beings.......

Ok

abduljabbar4:


No one needs to battle you bro.

fortran12:


Allah does not exist, if mohammed never saw him what makes you think u can?

When last did you see Jehovah?

Rafidi:


You talk much about the danger of falling into shirk (idolatry/polytheism). But here you are endorsing it. When you give Allah an image or physical form, He undoubtedly becomes an idol. If Allah had a form or shape, the Prophet would have been shown that form or shape and many copies would have been produced from the original one for Muslims to worship. We would have had pictures of Allah as others have images of their objects of worship. With the Sunni Salafist projection that they will see Allah in the hereafter, the Shia refusal to accept that makes the Shia staunchest believers in Tawhid (monotheism).

Shia and Tawheed? More like water and fire! Abeg I no get time for specious argument!

Rafidi:


You talk much about the danger of falling into shirk (idolatry/polytheism). But here you are endorsing it. When you give Allah an image or physical form, He undoubtedly becomes an idol. If Allah had a form or shape, the Prophet would have been shown that form or shape and many copies would have been produced from the original one for Muslims to worship. We would have had pictures of Allah as others have images of their objects of worship. With the Sunni Salafist projection that they will see Allah in the hereafter, the Shia refusal to accept that makes the Shia staunchest believers in Tawhid (monotheism).

Shia and Tawheed? More like water and fire! Abeg I no get time for specious argument and lies!

AlBaqir:


Where's the "Truth"? How does the verse I quoted corroborated the hadith you chose to interpret literally?

Of course, we need to put things in their perspectives especially when salafi wants to monopolize Islamic teachings and understanding.

Take a look at the OP's deception. Lots of stones were first thrown saying, "Jahmiyah, ash'ariya, sufi etc said this and that", then, he cunningly bring his own ideology and label it as "correct".
That is not only silly but very unjust.

There are many thoughts and understanding among the Muslims. If you are to reject an understanding, you simply have to state reasons against it. only then, you can state your own thought which you felt is correct, also with prove.

So, I haven't go off track stating the so-called correct view of the OP is salafiyah thought and understanding. The ball is in your court to defend your understanding. I have defended mine.

O so the Hadith should have been interpreted metaphorical! I get you! Anyways as I said before, you are well known here as a Shiite! Keep your raafidi interpretation to yourself and your cohorts.

So let's keep the thread sane.

AbuTwins:


When last did you see Jehovah?

The bible says God is a spirit and humans can't see spirits while in this earth suit. Allah on the other hand is not a spirit based on muslim ideology. In the quran mohammed says he has 2 arms on the right side and he is not one eyed he has a foot and can choose among the females in heaven to have a child with.

fortran12:

The bible says God is a spirit and humans can't see spirits while in this earth suit. Allah on the other hand is not a spirit based on muslim ideology. In the quran mohammed says he has 2 arms on the right side and he is not one eyed he has a foot and can choose among the females in heaven to have a child with.

2 arms on the right side?

fortran12:

The bible says God is a spirit and humans can't see spirits while in this earth suit. Allah on the other hand is not a spirit based on muslim ideology. In the quran mohammed says he has 2 arms on the right side and he is not one eyed he has a foot and can choose among the females in heaven to have a child with.

Spirits are Jinn. Your God is a Jinn right? Fine. Allaah created humans and Spirits too!

Ximenez:
2 arms on the right side?

yes!

What is that please? Explain

Lexusgs430:



Tell me you don't knack akpako.........

Modikko:
Thank you for showing your ignorance and stupidity

Modikko: I will repeat myself: We follow the Messenger of Allah and the consensus of the Sahabah whether it makes logical sense or not and Qur'an is a book of guidance not a book of logic. If you disagree with this bring your evidence.

By the way thanks for the insult. Keep it coming I need extra good deeds of yours on the day of Qiyamah.

May Allah guide you.

fortran12:


yes!

isn't that a monster? No wonder terrorism and violence are rampant

Hello.

Allah exists

May Allah guide you too

YakubuA:


Modikko: I will repeat myself: We follow the Messenger of Allah and the consensus of the Sahabah whether it makes logical sense or not and Qur'an is a book of guidance not a book of logic. If you disagree with this bring your evidence.

By the way thanks for the insult. Keep it coming I need extra good deeds of yours on the day of Qiyamah.

May Allah guide you.

Friend22:



Says somebody who worships a "God" that was "nailed" to the cross by his own creatures.

When you look into the spec in your neighbor's eye there's a big log inside yours.

He did cos of love - as he said twice "Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends",

"he reason the Father loves Me is that I lay down My life in order to take it up again. 18No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of My own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again." John 10 vs 17

compare to a god that is schizophrenic who does not remember who is talking despite him being the speaker!

fortran12:

He did cos of love - as he said twice "Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends",

"he reason the Father loves Me is that I lay down My life in order to take it up again. 18No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of My own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again." John 10 vs 17

compare to a god that is schizophrenic who does not remember who is talking despite him being the speaker!

Do you really want a debate?
And how old are you?

Friend22:


Do you really want a debate?
And how old are you?

What does my age have to do with anything. Counter what i mentioned above

fortran12:

What does my age have to do with anything. Counter what i mentioned above

Your age has a lot to do with it because o have engaging secondary school leavers.
And moreover, you are just blabbing(its not an insult, but stating facts)
Because if I engage you in such discussion I want to be sure you are up to it.

Friend22:


Your age has a lot to do with it because o have engaging secondary school leavers.
And moreover, you are just blabbing(its not an insult, but stating facts)
Because if I engage you in such discussion I want to be sure you are up to it.

Start and lets see. As long as you cite your sources and don't cherry pick

fortran12:

Start and lets see. As long as you cite your sources and don't cherry pick

OK.

Do you believe Jesus Christ was /is God?
If so, can God die?
If you say he is not God but man, can man be God?

Because man and God are not the same.

In john 5:30;he reportedly said :
"By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me."

Read the verse again ;
This has nothing to do with cherry picking, is about Jesus explaining who he is.
And tell me if "God" speak in a manner of powerlessness like: "I can of my ownself do nothing "
and "I judge only as I hear "
And "I seek not to please myself, but Him(the question here is, who is Jesus referring to with a second person pronoun "Him" in this verse) who sent me?

Just answer these first then we can proceed to others.

Friend22:


OK.

Do you believe Jesus Christ was /is God?
If so, can God die?
If you say he is not God but man, can man be God?

Because man and God are not the same.

In john 5:30;he reportedly said :
"By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me."

Read the verse again ;
This has nothing to do with cherry picking, is about Jesus explaining who he is.
And tell me if "God" speak in a manner of powerlessness like: "I can of my ownself do nothing "
and "I judge only as I hear "
And "I seek not to please myself, but Him(the question here is, who is Jesus referring to with a second person pronoun "Him" in this verse) who sent me?

Just answer these first then we can proceed to others.

Help confirm the verses below first

Friend22:


OK.

Do you believe Jesus Christ was /is God?
If so, can God die?
If you say he is not God but man, can man be God?

Because man and God are not the same.

In john 5:30;he reportedly said :
"By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me."

Read the verse again ;
This has nothing to do with cherry picking, is about Jesus explaining who he is.
And tell me if "God" speak in a manner of powerlessness like: "I can of my ownself do nothing "
and "I judge only as I hear "
And "I seek not to please myself, but Him(the question here is, who is Jesus referring to with a second person pronoun "Him" in this verse) who sent me?

Just answer these first then we can proceed to others.

Christians believe in the trinity, God in 3 persons, Jesus is not God the father (known to the Jews as God) he is the 2nd person in trinity, he is the word of God, God in flesh. So seeing from this perspective renders renders your questions out of place. Jesus never claimed to be God, he says he is the son of God, and introduces God as his father. So you see all Jesus says above are still in line

fortran12:


Christians believe in the trinity, God in 3 persons, Jesus is not God the father (known to the Jews as God) he is the 2nd person in trinity, he is the word of God, God in flesh. So seeing from this perspective renders renders your questions out of place. Jesus never claimed to be God, he says he is the son of God, and introduces God as his father. So you see all Jesus says above are still in line

If Jesus is the som of God like would readily cite John 3:16 "that God so loved the world that He give his only begotten son and whosoever believeth in him shall have everlasting life "

And I can tell you God had sons by the tonns according to your Bible.
And he has even begotten son like David and Ephraim

Let me cite these examples from your bible :

Jacob is God's son and firstborn: "Israel is my son, even my firstborn"
Exodus 4:22.

Solomon is God's son "He shall build an house for my name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom for ever. I will be his father, and he shall be my son": 2 Samuel 7:13-14.

Ephraim is God's firstborn: "for I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is my firstborn" Jeremiah 31:9 (who is God's firstborn? Israel or Ephraim?).

Adam is the son of God "Adam, which was the son of God" Luke 3:38.
Common people (you and me) are the sons of God:
"Ye are the children of the LORD your God"

Deuteronomy 14:1.
"For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God"

Romans 8:14.
"But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, [even] to them that believe on his name"

John 1:12.
"That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;"

Philippians 2:15.
"Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: ... now are we the sons of God"
1 John 3:1-2.

"When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?"
Job 38:7.

"Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD," Job 2:1.

"Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD,"
Job 1:6.

"when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men," Genesis 6:4.

"That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they [were] fair" Genesis 6:2

As we can see, the use of the term "son of God" when describing normal human beings was not at all an uncommon practice among Jesus' people.
Well then, was Jesus the only begotten son of God ?
Psalms 2:7 : "I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me (King David, King), Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee"

Indeed, the Jews are even referred to as much more than this in the Bible, and this is indeed the very trait which Jesus (pbuh) held against them. When the Jews picked up stones to stone Jesus (pbuh) he defended himself with the following words

"Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, 'I said, Ye are gods?' If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken..." John 10:34:

(he was referring to Psalms 82:6 "I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.."

And if you look at every verses mentioning son of God in your bible it wasn't exclusively Jesus's.
It was an innocent term used by the Jews to mean a loyal and obedient servant of God, but Christians have turned this innocent word to mean what Jesus himself never meant.

If you insist Jesus is the only son of God and begotten by God so, where do you place David, Ephraim and Israel who were cited as begotten sons and first borns of God.

Your next argument make likely be that those are old testament figures. But the question is, do God changes his "sons" like clothes?
And we know God is not the author of confusion.

What was to be taken contextually is being taken literally by people who claim to know God better than anybody.
And Jesus happen to be the one figure that has caused so much controversy in many Christian denominations.
To the Catholics, he is one of the triune, to some others he is just a son while JW(Jehovah Witness) he is just a messenger or prophet which we Muslims agree he is.

As Muslims we believe in Jesus's miraculous birth.
We believe he is one of the mightiest messengers of God.
We believe he healed those born blind, he quickened dead(he resurrected the dead and all other miracles he performed by God's permission.
Like he said in Mathew 12:28:
" by the Spirit of God that I drive out demons..."

And to further buttress this he said in John 5:30
:"I can of Myself do nothing"

Now, Jesus is saying all these not Paul whom you like to quote nor any of your daddy GOs.

Here we have to agree on one thing :
Who should we believe Jesus , Paul or your daddy GOs?

One person among these three has to be lying and we know it is most DEFINITELY not Jesus.
We Muslims have been telling you for over a thousand that he (Jesus) is nothing more than a messenger of God.

Now I leave you to your conscience to Judge who is right here.
Jesus or the rest of the Christian world?