Opiletool:


This you claimed that it was a lie fabricated by the Yorubas that benin obas' heads were buried in ife. Are you this confused and dumb?

We all know that gregyboy is a joke, now you're tailing him in the foolery with all effort.

Are these the best benin Kingdom (not empire) could offer?

How sad.

The question is how come the word oba became the general word for king in Yorubaland
And benin king get to be the only one called oba his title


I dont have time for now i will write in detailed showing the word oba is not yoruba
And benin-ife neverd happened

OgboAto:


Permit me to add these.

Please give me the link.........


Is it not thesame Roupell's list Ryder quoted and oromiyan was found in the king list

Maybe this is a different Roupell's

The name omo n' oba n'igodo ukwakpolopolo ”the child that shines for the igodomigodo people and the only great one"
This was the original title of the king of benin before it was igodo was later replaced by the word edo after the time of oba ewuare

It later shortened into omo n' oba( the child that shines) for easy pronouncing later in shortened to be oba by the Portuguese.....

The African kings of olds used to have lengthy names most of this names where like sentences

So calling the king of benin oba does not not reflect his full name and i bet the title omo n' oba n'godo ukuakpolopolo cannot be a Yoruba word or sentence
Because even the word oba in the title meant shinny and not king as the yorubas intend it to be...... Since the yorubas were third party callers of the word oba they felt the word oba meant king since it was representing a king in benin


Today the edo people can still agree with me the older ones still refer to the benin king as omo n' oba when having a discussion about him....

The word oba which the Portuguese shortened to refer to the oba was later introduced to the vassal yoruba state who later adopted it and begslan including in the title for kings while been adrsssed.....

It should be noted the benin people have a good number if edo indigeenes all over yoruba areas it installed its monarchy the edo kings in yoruba areas should be more than 30 some were even lost and yorubanised.


Edo people know your history.......

Dont let the conquered tell you they installed thier kings in your stoool

Egharevba was a benin historian who had first weote about orun oba ado out of myth when the site were dugged by nothing was found
Inside......

gregyboy:
The name omo n' oba nedo ukwakpolopolo ”the child that shines for the edo people and the only great one"
This was the original title of the king of benin

It was later shortened into omo n' oba( the child that shines) for easy pronouncing later in shortened to be oba by the Portuguese.....

The African kings of olds used to have lengthy names most of this names where like sentences

So calling the king of benin oba does not not reflect his full name and i bet the title omo n' oba nedo ukwakpolopolo cannot be a Yoruba word or sentence
Because even the word oba in the title meant shinny and not king as the yorubas intend it to be...... Since the yorubas were third party callers of the word oba they felt the word oba meant king since it was representing a king in benin


Today the edo people can still agree with me the older ones still refer to the benin king as omo n' oba when having a discussion about him....

The word oba which the Portuguese shortened to refer to the oba was later introduced to the vassal yoruba state who later adopted it and begslan including in the title for kings while been adrsssed.....

It should be noted the benin people have a good number if edo indigeenes all over yoruba areas it installed its monarchy the edo kings in yoruba areas should be more than 30 some were even lost and yorubanised.


Edo people know your history.......

Dont let the conquered tell you they installed thier kings in your stoool

Egharevba was a benin historian who had first weote about orun oba ado out of myth when the site were dugged by nothing was found
Inside......

You started out your comment here with a lie.

And you continued to heap more lies.

(1). You claimed that the title started from: "Omo N'Oba N'Edo ..."

(2). And that it got rEdUcEd to: "Omo N'Oba".

(3). And that that too got rEdUcEd to: "Oba".

The "rEdUcEd" claims are all lies for the following reasons:

The title couldn't have started with "Omo N'Oba N'Edo ..." and then reduced to "Omo N'Oba" because:

The word "Edo" was a much later creation centuries after Eweka (first) who was the defacto child-king --- the shinning child.

So, the key title itself was always "Omo N'Oba". The suffix is only the name of his territory. The territory is itself not the title or an essential part of it.

But at least we know that the territory was never originally "Edo".

Your claim is as idiotic as saying that the title was originally "Ooni of Ife" (or in full Yoruba: "Ooni Ife" ), but it later reduced to "Ooni".

No, "Ife" is only the name of a territory ruled over, "Ooni" itself has always been the title.

In fact sometimes more praise words join the title itself, e.g. Ooni 'risa --- affirming that he his deity.

In a similar vein, the title itself is "Omo N'Oba". The suffix is only a territory (of the Omo N'Oba) and not the title itself or an essential part of it.

And the name of the territory at least from the beggining was never "Edo". So, your theory of reduction from "Omo N'Oba N'Edo ...", to "Omo N'Oba" falls flat on its nose.

The whole territory at that time is more likely called "Ado" (as evidence has shown).

So that his title and his territory goes originally as "Omo N'Oba N'Ado". But in all, the territory is not the title, and your reduction imagination fails.

"Uku Akpolokpolo" is only some praise words suffixing the title, and not some element of the title itself. Just like is seen in Ooni - 'risa.


Furthermore, saying that "Omo N'Oba" reduced to "Oba" has been thoroughly debunked here: https://www.nairaland.com/5826609/how-come-title-oba-became/3#89054622

You may also ask Edeyoung.

And regarding Orun Oba Ado site, when the site was excavated in the 60s by Willett, burial pits were found intact.

And the number of the burial pits found matches exactly the same number of Benin Obas' heads spoken about in the 40s by Egharevba.

Weird coincidence, right? Lol.

Regarding, the whereabout of the Benin kings' skulls:

Wọ́n láti fi agbárí ọba tó w'àjà jó-ògùn fún ọba tuntun tó fẹ́ j'oyè n'ílẹ̀ Ìbíní --- lẹ́yìn tí wọ́n bá ti sin agbárí náà fún àwọn àkokò kan.

The Ukoluhe --- the royal messengers from Benin Kingdom who brought down the late Oba's exhumed head --- are also involved in the "secret rites" performed at Ife in relation to the head.

This information was said to be confirmed by one of G.A. Akinola's informants, Chief Eghobamien, during his interview with him in Benin City, 4 April 1973.

Chief Eghobamien added that the last of such an embassy to Ife was the one led by Irugbe, father of Agbonifi and late Osodin of Benin in 1888.

You will notice that I am very hesitant to directly hurt your feelings, hence my reason for writing certain (open secret) in Yoruba language.

But if you take the trouble of having someone translate it for you, then that's you not minding your feelings being hurt.

So, I am not really to blame.

I just came and will soon delete this account as well.
You guys should stop discussing fairytale.

1) oranmiyan is a myth, he never existed.
2) oduduwa is a myth, he never existed
3) the ogiso are myths, they never existed.
4) the first record of Oba was a reference to the Oba of Benin in the middle ages.
5) as can be seen in early colonial pictures, the Yoruba used to call their chiefs in this manner:

"ooni of ife, sir adetoye".

Notice the word "sir" is also not a Yoruba word.


Later on in the colonial era, the Yoruba dropped the word "sir" and replaced it with the word "Oba". Replacing a non Yoruba word with an other non Yoruba word but which is more African (since independence was in discussion).

6) the word Oba belongs to the Oba of Benin, Omo n'Oba n'Edo. The Yoruba copied it. Fact. Just like Benin republic copied the word "Benin" from Benin Kingdom.

Yeah Benin gets copied a lot, deal with it !

7) as can be seen in some early colonial or late precolonial pictures, the Yoruba didn't use the word Oba to describe any of their chiefs until the mid colonial era.

Also, some of you seem confused.
There is no such thing as etymology for Yoruba or even Edo languages.
Indeed etymology is sort of the history of the written word. And we didn't have written languages until the colonial era. So any attempt at etymology is a 419 scam.

Also, stop trying to explain what the title of the Oba means. All kingship titles have a hidden history behind them. These titles were created hundreds if not thousands of years ago, when we had no written words. Only God almighty can tell you what the title of a west African king means, except the imported titles like emir and sultan.

You people's descriptions of the meaning of titles is nothing but a guess work at best and 419 manipulation at worse.

The word Oba refers to the Oba of Benin, it is best left like that. Anything else said by anybody is speculation.

Oba is the Yoruba word for King from the days of Obatala. OmobaN’edo or Ado is correct. Children of an Oba are called Omoba. King of Benin is an Omo Oba. To which Oba is who you should be asking. His title is simply the Child of a Yoruba King who resides in Ado.

That Ukaoplopolo is simply Opolopo... for every body in the kingdom. His title is Yoruba by interpretation but has been watered down through the years by other migrant languages. Ado was a Yoruba town, which had all sorts of migrants from surrounding areas from the current Edo state area. Especially the Esan or Ishan who greatly influenced the culture of what Benin is today.

2mch:
Oba is the Yoruba word for King from the days of Obatala. OmobaN’edo or Ado is correct. Children of an Oba are called Omoba. King of Benin is an Omo Oba. To which Oba is who you should be asking. His title is simply the Child of a Yoruba King who resides in Ado.

That Ukaoplopolo is simply Opolopo... for every body in the kingdom. His title is Yoruba by interpretation but has been watered down through the years by other migrant languages. Ado was a Yoruba town, which had all sorts of migrants from surrounding areas from the current Edo state area. Especially the Esan or Ishan who greatly influenced the culture of what Benin is today.

All you said here is total nonsense and I have already explained in great detail what the facts are.
Do you care to show proof to your claims ?
I actually just proved your dogma to be a lie and in the true fanatic fashion, you proceeded to just repeat the dogma.
You look like those guys who see proof the earth is not flat and just wave away the proof and then repeat their dogma "the earth is flat"

For your information, Benin city is only the capital of Benin Kingdom ! Not the entire Kingdom !

2mch:
Oba is the Yoruba word for King from the days of Obatala. OmobaN’edo or Ado is correct. Children of an Oba are called Omoba. King of Benin is an Omo Oba. To which Oba is who you should be asking. His title is simply the Child of a Yoruba King who resides in Ado.

That Ukaoplopolo is simply Opolopo... for every body in the kingdom. His title is Yoruba by interpretation but has been watered down through the years by other migrant languages. Ado was a Yoruba town, which had all sorts of migrants from surrounding areas from the current Edo state area. Especially the Esan or Ishan who greatly influenced the culture of what Benin is today.

In case you didn't notice, I have already replied to your spewing of Yoruba dogma, and I prove it to be false:

Ghostwon5:
I just came and will soon delete this account as well.
You guys should stop discussing fairytale.

1) oranmiyan is a myth, he never existed.
2) oduduwa is a myth, he never existed
3) the ogiso are myths, they never existed.
4) the first record of Oba was a reference to the Oba of Benin in the middle ages.
5) as can be seen in early colonial pictures, the Yoruba used to call their chiefs in this manner:

"ooni of ife, sir adetoye".

Notice the word "sir" is also not a Yoruba word.


Later on in the colonial era, the Yoruba dropped the word "sir" and replaced it with the word "Oba". Replacing a non Yoruba word with an other non Yoruba word but which is more African (since independence was in discussion).

6) the word Oba belongs to the Oba of Benin, Omo n'Oba n'Edo. The Yoruba copied it. Fact. Just like Benin republic copied the word "Benin" from Benin Kingdom.

Yeah Benin gets copied a lot, deal with it !

7) as can be seen in some early colonial or late precolonial pictures, the Yoruba didn't use the word Oba to describe any of their chiefs until the mid colonial era.

https://www.raremaps.com/gallery/detail/64869/africae-tabula-nova-ortelius

Ghostwon5:


All you said here is total nonsense and I have already explained in great detail what the facts are.
Do you care to show proof to your claims ?

For your information, Benin city is only the capital of Benin Kingdom ! Not the entire Kingdom !

That seat of the Benin King is for an Omoba. What does his title mean in so called Edo? Edo does not have a uniform language or homogeneity. It’s very diverse because it has always been that way. It was the meeting point or crossroads between the West and the greater south. You see Yoruba’s, Igala, Hinterland Edos and all sorts of people there from the SS. The person who founded and ruled over that town was a Yoruba kingship line. The son of whom was dispatched to administer the area. Same way Oduduwa dispatches his other sons to several areas that were strategic and trade vantage points across Nigeria... even almost down to Abuja.

Yoruba Kings by history were fond of sending their sons all over to found new lands and build on trade to pay back money to their fathers kingdoms. It prevented them from fighting for the throne and causing chaos especially when there were a lot of them. So that the natural order of Kingship which rotates between families in Yoruba land will not be hijacked or disrupted.

2mch:

That seat of the Benin King is for an Omoba. What does his title mean in so called Edo? Edo does not have a uniform language or homogeneity. It’s very diverse because it has always been that way. It was the meeting point or crossroads between the West and the greater south. You see Yoruba’s, Igala, Hinterland Edos and all sorts of people there from the SS. The person who founded and ruled over that town was a Yoruba kingship line. The son of whom was dispatched to administer the area. Same way Oduduwa dispatches his other sons to several areas that were strategic and trade vantage points across Nigeria... even almost down to Abuja.

Yoruba Kings by history were fond of sending their sons all over to found new lands and build on trade to pay back money to their fathers kingdoms. It prevented them from fighting for the throne and causing chaos especially when there were a lot of them. So that the natural order of Kingship which rotates between families in Yoruba land will not be hijacked or disrupted.

Are you daft ?

Ghostwon5:
I just came and will soon delete this account as well.
You guys should stop discussing fairytale.

1) oranmiyan is a myth, he never existed.
2) oduduwa is a myth, he never existed
3) the ogiso are myths, they never existed.
4) the first record of Oba was a reference to the Oba of Benin in the middle ages.
5) as can be seen in early colonial pictures, the Yoruba used to call their chiefs in this manner:

"ooni of ife, sir adetoye".

Notice the word "sir" is also not a Yoruba word.


Later on in the colonial era, the Yoruba dropped the word "sir" and replaced it with the word "Oba". Replacing a non Yoruba word with an other non Yoruba word but which is more African (since independence was in discussion).

6) the word Oba belongs to the Oba of Benin, Omo n'Oba n'Edo. The Yoruba copied it. Fact. Just like Benin republic copied the word "Benin" from Benin Kingdom.

Yeah Benin gets copied a lot, deal with it !

7) as can be seen in some early colonial or late precolonial pictures, the Yoruba didn't use the word Oba to describe any of their chiefs until the mid colonial era.

Ghostwon5:
Also, stop trying to explain what the title of the Oba means. All kingship titles have a hidden history behind them. These titles were created hundreds if not thousands of years ago, when we had no written words. Only God almighty can tell you what the title of a west African king means, except the imported titles like emir and sultan.

You people's descriptions of the meaning of titles is nothing but a guess work at best and 419 manipulation at worse.

The word Oba refers to the Oba of Benin, it is best left like that. Anything else said by anybody is speculation.

Ghostwon5:



In case you didn't notice, I have already replied to your spewing of Yoruba dogma, and I prove it to be false:

You seem to be on some very strong medication.
You proceeded to repeat some other unsubstantiated stories rather than provide proof to your previous unsubstantiated story which I proved to be false.

Ghostwon5:



In case you didn't notice, I have already replied to your spewing of Yoruba dogma, and I prove it to be false:

Even in all so called Edo languages, Omo means child. Which was borrowed from the Yoruba language. On another thread, the so called first Nigerian to be educated who was Bini... guess his name? Olu Atuwatse... Yoruba name... close to Itshekiri which is closest to Eastern Yoruba. This Olu was a crowned prince.

Olu means what it Edo? Real pronounciation of that name is Olu Atuwase. Is it because these kings married Edo women who now gave their children Edo names and try to muddle up their history? Benin or Ilu Bini or Ado is a Yoruba town. From founding till today.

Look, you are daft, I have already debunked all your talking points but since you are not smart enough, you repeat them anyway.

Noble Olu of Warri, what is your relationship with the Oba of Benin:

Date 1:54


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zK2bsZhPIo

I quote the Olu of Warri: "The Oba of Benin is my father"

I don't give a rat's ass about supremacy tussle. But the truth ! Logics ! Those are what I stand for. Keep repeating talking points which I have just debunked.

Ghostwon5:
I don't give a rat's ass about supremacy tussle. But the truth ! Logics ! Those are what I stand for. Keep repeating talking points which I have just debunked.

All you wrote is nonsense as usual!

Ghostwon5:
Look, you are daft, I have already debunked all your talking points but since you are not smart enough, you repeat them anyway.

Noble Olu of Warri, what is your relationship with the Oba of Benin:

Date 1:54


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zK2bsZhPIo

I quote the Olu of Warri: "The Oba of Benin is my father"

same olu of Warri said this.
https://enewsnigeria.com/ooni-of-ife-ogunwusi-ascended-our-father-oduduwas-throne-olu-of-warri/

Ghostwon5:
I don't give a rat's ass about supremacy tussle. But the truth ! Logics ! Those are what I stand for. Keep repeating talking points which I have just debunked.

Natural tradition of how Yoruba Kings dispatch their sons to discover new lands is what Bini Kings did too or don’t you see the pattern? Who founded Warri? Son of a Bini king with a clearly Yoruboid/Itshekiri name.

Itshekiri still maintain their Yoruba likeness more than Bini because they were more isolated and less influence from other neighboring cultures like Bini witnessed. If Bini was isolated and less diverse it would have been no different from Warri or Ondo state in their likeness to the greater Yoruba culture.

The Bini only over assimilated by marrying from cultures around them and adopting the names and culture. Probably to maintain their throne with the out of control influx of migrants.

Moneywomen17:
same olu of Warri said this.
https://enewsnigeria.com/ooni-of-ife-ogunwusi-ascended-our-father-oduduwas-throne-olu-of-warri/

I guess your written article beats my video proving the Olu of Warri said the Oba of Benin is his father !
If only I had an article written by some jobless Yoruba youth instead of an actual video proving my claim ?
Well, my bad. Yoruba logics.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zK2bsZhPIo

Meanwhile my video above still shows the Olu of Warri clearly stating the Oba of Benin is his father. Sorry I don't have a lying article to produce instead of this video which proves my claim.

Ghostwon5:


I guess your written article beats my video proving the Olu of Warri said the Oba of Benin is his father !
If only I had an article written by some jobless Yoruba youth instead of an actual video proving my claim ?
Well, my bad


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zK2bsZhPIo

Of course his father's Father is his FATHER!

Are you too slow to string those together?

Indeed the benins are really great

RamessesIV:
From the perspective of "African people" one is about white people the other is about black people

No, both are about African people and our culture from different perspectives.


Afrocentrism aims to correct the false assertions made by Eurocentric historianssic and commentators.

RamessesIV:
Lol lens of eurocentrism says the afrocentrist

I am well versed on scholarly,reviewed,researched works on african history

Why is everything that doesn't support your "black hypothesis",eurocentrist

Lol yeah negroid or caucasoid isn't right let's group humans in melanated and passive melanated people,even athropologist don't use this,are you any better than the racists who did the "negro" "Caucasoid" Classification

I don't need to back up my claims with evidence must of the claims you made here aren't even peer reviewed or correct,as i have said I follow scholarly,proven and well researched claims

I am not new to this whether is eurocentric,afrocentric,creationist,white or black nationalist people tend to use history for their own bias and politics,the era of scientific racism has proven this

Who is supposed to be the experts on African history?

RamessesIV:
if african are the only "true humans" where did Asians come from,europeans..

The original Asians and Europeans was blacksic.

The current stock originate from the Caucasus Mountains.

Hence, the term caucasoid.

RamessesIV:

I am not new to this whether is eurocentric,afrocentric,creationist,white or black nationalist people tend to use history for their own bias and politics,the era of scientific racism has proven this

Here is where you have been sleeping on African history.

African history has een determined
over thousands of years already now.

Following all the evidence, our historians job is to merely debunk all the pseudo-science and false assertions thats out there.

Noone can tell teach the African about our own history.

Those who study African history.

Amujale:



Who is supposed to be the experts on African history?

RamessesIV:

Caucasoid is acceptable but negroid isn't?? ��

You need to know the root word as well asthe history of these terms on order to get my point.

Caucasoid is a proper identification.

Negroid is a derrogatory term.

������� ok sir

Amujale:


The original Asians and Europeans was blacksic.

The current stock originate from the Caucasus Mountains.

Hence, the term caucasoid.

Nope not debunking claiming,there is a difference,"our" "your",you can't debunk things that don't suit your agenda and accept those that do

Amujale:


Here is where you have been sleeping on African history.

African history has een determined
over thousands of years already now.

Following all the evidence, our historians job is to merely debunk all the pseudo-science and false assertions thats out there.

Noone can tell teach the African about our own history.

RamessesIV:
Those who study African history.

Yes, however, those who study African history from an African perspective.

Negroid came from the era of scientific racism used to classify dark skinned people from sub-saharan africa,negro was used even before it became derogatory,if you must do away with negroid you must same with caucasoid,and these terms mostly rely more on physical triats not genetics

Amujale:


You need to know the root word as well asthe history of these terms on order to get my point.

Caucasoid is a proper identification.

Negroid is a derrogatory term.

Doesn't change you can lie about history,again white nationalism,scientific racism etc it is not a new thing hence my skepticism,once history starts spending half of it's time claiming borders,people,without credible evidence is already clear what it is for

Amujale:


Here is where you have been sleeping on African history.

African history has een determined
over thousands of years already now.

Following all the evidence, our historians job is to merely debunk all the pseudo-science and false assertions thats out there.

Noone can tell teach the African about our own history.