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Spiritual blindness is very dangerous for us; may we get light in everything:

If we would seek to follow Jesus for real, we must surely expect oppositions, rejections, insults and the likes from unbelievers and even so-called "believers".

I think it's high time we started judging ourselves instead of using our magnifying glasses to judge others.

These attitudes of Judging others have blinded us so much that even things that are clearly or BOLDLY written in scripture become a mirage.

People that do not want or believe in the Truth (Jesus) will always be ANGRY, and even try hard to KILL the Truth:

John 5:16-18 NLT

16 So the Jewish leaders began harassing Jesus for BREAKING the Sabbath rules.


17 But Jesus replied, “My Father is ALWAYS working, and so am I.”


18 So the Jewish leaders tried all the harder to find a way TO KILL HIM. For he not only BROKE the Sabbath, he CALLED God his Father, thereby making himself EQUAL with God.

Jesus is God (Second Person), and has "fulfilled/ended" the LAW so that True Worshipers would Worship in Truth and in Spirit (in Faith and Obedience).

John 4:24 KJV
God is a Spirit: and they that Worship him must Worship him in spirit and in Truth.

May we get light and not try to know better than Jesus and the Holy Spirit.

Bros, you are wrong. It is not blindness, it is Pure Undiluted Evil. Did Christ not directly call them the Children of Satan, in John 8:44?

As Christ said obey and keep the commandments. Mathew 19:16/17. If you still do not know how to keep the commandments, then "eat his flesh and drink his blood" which is all the words He taught us as his words are "Spirit and Life". John 6:63.

This is all you need to obtain eternal life.

Dtruthspeaker:
Bros, you are wrong. It is not blindness, it is Pure Undiluted Evil. Did Christ not directly call them the Children of Satan, in John 8:44?

As Christ said obey and keep the commandments. Mathew 19:16/17. If you still do not know how to keep the commandments, then "eat his flesh and drink his blood" which is all the words He taught us as his words are "Spirit and Life". John 6:63.

This is all you need to obtain eternal life.

Jesus said blind leaders ("spiritually blind" ) would lead their followers into the ditch (Hell).

Friend, I've answered you already on the other thread.

Matthew 15:14 KJV
Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.

Finally, if you still disagree after all that, no problem.

Thanks,

Good bye.

davidinchrist:
Jesus said blind leaders ("spiritually blind" ) would lead their followers into the ditch (Hell).

Friend, I've answered you already on the other thread.

Matthew 15:14 KJV
Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.

Finally, if you still disagree after all that, no problem.

Thanks,

Good bye.

As in the other thread, you have have again claimed to change the the direction of the header of your thread. I'm beginning to wonder, is this deliberate?

Dtruthspeaker:
As in the other thread, you have have again claimed to change the the direction of the header of your thread. I'm beginning to wonder, is this deliberate?

Yes, cos we need to deal with the root first, not the branches or fruits.

Thanks.

davidinchrist:
Spiritual blindness is very dangerous for us; may we get light in everything:

If we would seek to follow Jesus for real, we must surely expect oppositions, rejections, insults and the likes from unbelievers and even so-called "believers".

I think it's high time we started judging ourselves instead of using our magnifying glasses to judge others.

These attitudes of Judging others have blinded us so much that even things that are clearly or BOLDLY written in scripture become a mirage.

People that do not want or believe in the Truth (Jesus) will always be ANGRY, and even try hard to KILL the Truth:

John 5:16-18 NLT

16 So the Jewish leaders began harassing Jesus for BREAKING the Sabbath rules.


17 But Jesus replied, “My Father is ALWAYS working, and so am I.”


18 So the Jewish leaders tried all the harder to find a way TO KILL HIM. For he not only BROKE the Sabbath, he CALLED God his Father, thereby making himself EQUAL with God.

Jesus is God (Second Person), and has "fulfilled/ended" the LAW so that True Worshipers would Worship in Truth and in Spirit (in Faith and Obedience).

John 4:24 KJV
God is a Spirit: and they that Worship him must Worship him in spirit and in Truth.

May we get light and not try to know better than Jesus and the Holy Spirit.

In John 5:18 , the Jews LIED AGAINST JESUS.
Jesus Christ NEVER claimed he is equal with God.
That LIE in John 5:18 is the false doctrine of Trinity.
The truth was revealed in John 19:7

"The Jews answered him, “We have a law, and according to our law He ought to die, because He made Himself the Son of God."

It's never a crime to call God your Father or say are the son of God.
Jesus statement doesn't make him equal to God.

STOP deceiving yourself.

John 4:24 "God is a Spirit".
John 17:3 , the One True God is a Spirit.
Jesus Christ says himself is NOT the One True God..
John 14:28, the Father(God) is greater than I am.
1 Cor 11:3 , God is the head of Christ...
1 Cor 3:23" You belong to Christ. In turn, Christ belongs to God"

God is not 2nd person of your fake doctrine.

Janosky:
In John 5:18 , the Jews LIED AGAINST JESUS.
Jesus Christ NEVER claimed he is equal with God.
That LIE in John 5:18 is the false doctrine of Trinity.
The truth was revealed in John 19:7

"The Jews answered him, “We have a law, and according to our law He ought to die, because He made Himself the Son of God."

It's never a crime to call God your Father or say are the son of God.
Jesus statement doesn't make him equal to God.

STOP deceiving yourself.

John 4:24 "God is a Spirit".
John 17:3 , the One True God is a Spirit.
Jesus Christ says himself is NOT the One True God..
John 14:28, the Father(God) is greater than I am.
1 Cor 11:3 , God is the head of Christ...
1 Cor 3:23" You belong to Christ. In turn, Christ belongs to God"

God is not 2nd person of your fake doctrine.

Okay friend, this is not for argument, but for you OR others who care;

Listen to the Words of Jesus Himself:

John 10:30 KJV
I and my Father are ONE.

Matthew 22:42-43 KJV
Saying, What think ye of Christ? whose son is he? They say unto him, The Son of David.

[43] He saith unto them, How then doth David in Spirit CALL him Lord, saying,

Matthew 28:19 KJV
Go ye therefore, and teach ALL nations, baptizing them in the NAME of the Father (1), and of the Son (2), and of the Holy Ghost (3):

However, if you still don't agree, again okay, no problem. I don't justify myself.

Thanks,

Goodbye.

You cant even agree on what your religion is about.

Truth should always be eternal and unshakable but in religion this is not so.
Is there a trinity?
Is jesus equal to god or is he the son of god?
Is God greater than jesus and the holy spirit or are the a triumvirate?


Religious truth can never be constant in as much as religious truth is the thoughts and interpretations of man.

davidinchrist:
Okay friend, this is not for argument, but for you OR others who care;

Listen to the Words of Jesus Himself:

John 10:30 KJV
I and my Father are ONE.

Matthew 22:42-43 KJV
Saying, What think ye of Christ? whose son is he? They say unto him, The Son of David.

[43] He saith unto them, How then doth David in Spirit CALL him Lord, saying,

Matthew 28:19 KJV
Go ye therefore, and teach ALL nations, baptizing them in the NAME of the Father (1), and of the Son (2), and of the Holy Ghost (3):

However, if you still don't agree, again okay, no problem. I don't justify myself.

Thanks,

Goodbye.

Bros , don't confuse yourself.
where is holy spirit in John 10:30 ?

John 17:22, "that they (Jesus followers) be One just as we (Father and I ) are one."
Jesus Christ says you have zero understanding of John 10:30.
1 Cor 3:6-7, Paul and Apollos (Jesus followers) are one just as Jesus and his Father are one.
John 10:30, Jesus and his Father are united, they walk together just as man and wife are one, walk together. Matthew 19:4-6.


Point 2:
Can you show us where anyone in the Bible was baptized in the name of the father, the son and holy spirit?
There is none in your Bible,no deceive yourself.

Is Tom ,Dick and Harry the same person?
Have you forgotten that Jesus Christ told you
"God is a Spirit", NOT 3 spirits ?
I know Revelations 3:5,12 and John 20:17,30-31 are in your Bible, study it diligently.

Do you agree Spiritual realm is stronger than physical realm?
There is no justification for the false doctrine of Trinity.
Jesus Christ says Revelations 3:5,12 and John 14:28. John 20:17 are immutable,irrevocable TRUTH, hammering the coffin of Trinity.


Bros, stop deceiving yourself.
Shalom.

Janosky:
Bros , don't confuse yourself.
where is holy spirit in John 10:30 ?

John 17:22, "that they (Jesus followers) be One just as we (Father and I ) are one."
Jesus Christ says you have zero understanding of John 10:30.
1 Cor 3:6-7, Paul and Apollos (Jesus followers) are one just as Jesus and his Father are one.
John 10:30, Jesus and his Father are united, they walk together just as man and wife are one, walk together. Matthew 19:4-6.


Point 2:
Can you show us where anyone in the Bible was baptized in the name of the father, the son and holy spirit?
There is none in your Bible,no deceive yourself.

Is Tom ,Dick and Harry the same person?
Have you forgotten that Jesus Christ told you
"God is a Spirit", NOT 3 spirits ?
I know Revelations 3:5,12 and John 20:17,30-31.

Do you agree Spiritual realm is stronger than physical realm?
There is no justification for the false doctrine of Trinity.
Jesus Christ says Revelations 3:5,12 and John 14:28 are immutable,irrevocable TRUTH, hammering the coffin of Trinity.


Bros, stop deceiving yourself.
Shalom.

Okay friend, goodbye.

davidinchrist:
Okay friend, goodbye.

Shalom

Dantedasz:


You cant even agree on what your religion is about.

Truth should always be eternal and unshakable but in religion this is not so.
Is there a trinity?
Is jesus equal to god or is he the son of god?
Is God greater than jesus and the holy spirit or are the a triumvirate?


Religious truth can never be constant in as much as religious truth is the thoughts and interpretations of man.

Truth is Always Eternal and Unshakable! The concept and idea of Religion among other shits in this world, is a Wicked Derogation, Diversionary and Very Misleading, Meant to Direct Every Soul Away from the The Eternal Truths.

The Truths are there, though, now hidden and covered by the several multitudes of Lies taught by the world.

John 10:30-31 KJV
I and my Father are ONE.

[31] Then the Jews took up stones again to STONE him.

Dantedasz:


You cant even agree on what your religion is about.

Truth should always be eternal and unshakable but in religion this is not so

(1)Is there a trinity?

(2)Is jesus equal to god or is he the son of god?

(3)Is God greater than jesus and the holy spirit or are the a triumvirate?


Religious truth can never be constant in as much as religious truth is the thoughts and interpretations of man.

(1) Yes but not a Bible teaching, it is the teaching of ancient Egypt and Babylon, there are three in one gods in those pagan nations!

(2)He himself said "the father is greater" so he is not equal with God!

(3)God and Jesus are both spirit beings (personalities) but the holy spirit is not a person just God's active force!

The truth is like the legal tender (Original currency notes) if you're with it you can buy good things with it, but falsehood is like the fake notes that can't by anything it's just for show.

So when true Christianity (legal tender) opens the door to LOVE JOY PEACE PATIENCE GOODNESS KINDNESS FAITH MILDNESS and SELF-CONTROL in the midst of God's people.

Falsehood will only be making noise up and down, their fake religion will not make anything work in their midst!

davidinchrist:
Yes, cos we need to deal with the root first, not the branches or fruits.

Thanks.

Now I know indeed that you are Anti-christ, the version John talked of in 1 John 2:18/19 , who are in the members of Christ to Pervert and Deceive every soul on earth.

davidinchrist:
John 10:30-31 KJV
I and my Father are ONE.

[31] Then the Jews took up stones again to STONE him.

God's word also said that man and woman will become one! Genesis 2:24; Matthew 19:5

The scriptures made us to understand that they're not equal {1Corinthians 11:3} God is greater than Jesus, Jesus greater than man, man is greater than woman!

26 But you don’t believe me because you are not my sheep.
John 10:26

27 My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me.
John 10:27

33 They replied, “We’re STONING you not for any good work, but for blasphemy! You, a mere man, CLAIM to be God.”
John 10:33

34 Jesus replied, “It is written in your own Scriptures that God said to certain leaders of the people, ‘I say, you are gods!’
John 10:34

37 Don’t believe me unless I carry out my Father’s work.
John 10:37

39 Once again they tried to arrest him, but he got away and LEFT them.
John 10:39

Maximus69:
God's word also said that man and woman will become one! Genesis 2:24; Matthew 19:5

The scriptures made us to understand that they're not equal {1Corinthians 11:3} God is greater than Jesus, Jesus greater than man, man is greater than woman!

Friend, were you making a point, or you were just looking for excuses to argue?

Did I not identify Jesus as the 2nd, while Holy Spirit as the 3rd above.

What you and I quoted are true, and we should not try to understand everything with our small brains.

Jesus said his words are Spirit and Life, so we got to believe it whether it's reasonable or not. John 6:63

The Just shall live by faith (not by reason). That's why it is always difficult for MANY intelligent people to know God, cos they want to understand everything.

Let me add this verse to yours:


John 14:28 KJV
... I go unto the Father: for my Father is GREATER than I. = True


John 10:30-31 KJV
I and my Father are ONE. = ALSO True

Meanwhile, what actually matters for US ALL is Obedience to his words according to the gospels, not just Knowledge or Understanding:


James 1:22 KJV
But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.

May Jesus Bless You.

davidinchrist:
26 But you don’t believe me because you are not my sheep.
John 10:26

27 My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me.
John 10:27

33 They replied, “We’re STONING you not for any good work, but for blasphemy! You, a mere man, CLAIM to be God.”
John 10:33

34 Jesus replied, “It is written in your own Scriptures that God said to certain leaders of the people, ‘I say, you are gods!’
John 10:34

37 Don’t believe me unless I carry out my Father’s work.
John 10:37

39 Once again they tried to arrest him, but he got away and LEFT them.
John 10:39

Bros, please study your Bible John 19:7 and John 10:34-36 .

John 10:36 is Jesus reply to John 10:33 and 5:18.

John 19:7 is the Jews admitted they lied in John 5:18.

John 17:22 is Jesus explanation of John 10:30.
Amos3:3

1 Cor 8:5-6, gods exists in heaven (angels,Jesus) and earth (Men), but there is One Almighty God , the only true God in heaven and earth.
The only true God is not Jesus. John 17:3. John 20:17,30-31. Rev 3:5,12,21.
That's the point.
No be rocket science.

Janosky:
Bros, please study your Bible John 19:7 and John 10:34-36 .

John 10:36 is Jesus reply to John 10:33 and 5:18.

John 19:7 is the Jews admitted they lied in John 5:18.

John 17:22 is Jesus explanation of John 10:30.
Amos3:3

1 Cor 8:5-6, gods exists in heaven (angels,Jesus) and earth (Men), but there is One Almighty God , the only true God in heaven and earth.
The only true God is not Jesus. John 17:3. John 20:17,30-31. Rev 3:5,12,21.
That's the point.
No be rocket science.

Okay friend, goodbye.

davidinchrist:
Friend, were you making a point, or you were just looking for excuses to argue?

Did I not identify Jesus as the 2nd, while Holy Spirit as the 3rd above.

What you and I quoted are true, and we should not try to understand everything with our small brains.

Jesus said his words are Spirit and Life, so we got to believe it whether it's reasonable or not. John 6:63

The Just shall live by faith (not by reason). That's why it is always difficult for MANY intelligent people to know God, cos they want to understand everything.

Let me add this verse to yours:


John 14:28 KJV
... I go unto the Father: for my Father is GREATER than I. = True


John 10:30-31 KJV
I and my Father are ONE. = ALSO True

Meanwhile, what actually matters for US ALL is Obedience to his words according to the gospels, not just Knowledge or Understanding:


James 1:22 KJV
But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.

May Jesus Bless You.

Well i belong to the group Jesus ordered to go and make disciples by preaching and teaching to their understanding {Matthew 28:19-20} if Jesus' teachings wasn't clear, nobody will believe him!

So it is those who kept asking questions about what is not clear to them {Mark 4:10} that remained with him till the end! John 17:8-9

There is no third person Sir!

TRINITY is a pagan teaching that was infused in the Creed of the fourth century orthodox Churches by Roman Emperor Constantine and the council of Nicaea!

It's only two persons Jehovah (YHWH) and Jesus {John 17:3 compare to Act 7:56} no third person!

Maximus69:
God's word also said that man and woman will become one! Genesis 2:24; Matthew 19:5

The scriptures made us to understand that they're not equal {1Corinthians 11:3} God is greater than Jesus, Jesus greater than man, man is greater than woman!

Your wish?

Maximus69:
Well I BELONG TO THE GROUP Jesus ordered to go and make disciples by preaching and teaching to their understanding {Matthew 28:19-20} if Jesus' teachings wasn't clear, nobody will believe him!

So it is those who kept asking questions about what is not clear to them {Mark 4:10} that remained with him till the end! John 17:8-9

There is no third person Sir!

TRINITY is a pagan teaching that was infused in the Creed of the fourth century orthodox Churches by Roman Emperor Constantine and the council of Nicaea!

It's only two persons Jehovah (YHWH) and Jesus {John 17:3 compare to Act 7:56} no third person!

"I belong to the group..."

Okay friend, I see. Goodbye.

davidinchrist:
"I belong to the group..."

Okay friend, I see. Goodbye.

Farewell!

NKJV
Luke.13.31 - On that very day some Pharisees came, saying to Him, "Get out and depart from here, for Herod wants to KILL You."

Luke.13.32 - And He said to them, "Go, TELL that fox, "Behold, I cast out demons and perform cures today and tomorrow, and the third day I shall be perfected.'

Matt.10.28 - And DO NOT fear those who kill the body but CANNOT kill the soul. But rather FEAR Him who is able to destroy BOTH soul and body in Hell.

Romans 8:36-37 KJV
As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.

[37] Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.

Matthew 24:9 KJV
Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.