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davidnazee:
What post lol.
I’m not interested in your Kingdom.. just passing through..

TAO12:
The dummy-nazee keeps confirming his cluelessness.

davidnazee:
Because I’m not interested in your Kingdom? Actually nobody is interested in your Kingdom. We all know which kingdom has everybody’s interests..

TAO12:
This particular dummy's cluelessness and contradiction is alarmingly typical.

davidnazee:
Bye... no be me you wan use increase posts for this yeye topic.

davidnazee:
Bye... no be me you wan use increase posts for this yeye topic.

lawani:
so the succession of oyo the greatest West African empire of its time is a yeye topic to you?.

davidnazee:
Yes when I’m chatting with TAO12.. not for u.

Olu317:
AreaFada2,

I had thought you will come online to counter the information before you on the Empire of Yoruba called OYo, but you didn't.And based on this, ,come defend yourself that Yoruba was not spoken in Bini land as a Bini Court language known as Lucomi ( Yoruba language)as Latin is to Europe which was an account in 1634-1640 by Father Culumbi Nantes from France. So, come defend yourself against the lies you have peddled that Oyo was also not an Empire! Even Yoruba language was spoken in Binu land with evidence from the above research work posted/ screenshot by TAO12.

I am waiting, laughing at your likes that are revisionism over relationship between Yoruba's establishment and her civilization in Bini land.Thus, I want to read from you because, I am enjoying these posts while there is ample evidence that's debunking of Oviedo lies before the whole world and your apologists, who don't know the truth.

TAO12:
Lol. Not only is Yoruba language the lingua Franca in Benin Kingdom (as well as in many West African Kingdoms), the language of administration in the palace of Benin Kingdom is Yoruba.

See attachment below from:

R.C.C. Law's "Ethnicity and the Slave Trade: "Lucumi" and "Nago" as Ethnonyms in West Africa", History in Africa, Vol. 24 (1997), p.

lawani:
that is my point in my other post Benin was a Yoruba empire.

TAO12:
Yeah in a way. But I would personally not say it is a Yoruba Empire.

The general people of the kingdom are a different ethno-linguistic stock --- Edo.

It is only their government who traces its strict paternal genealogical origin to Ifẹ̀-Yoruba.

Some examples of the similitude to the foregoing scenario are as follows"

I won't regard the Ìjẹ̀búÒde-Yoruba Kingdom as an Ifẹ̀ Kingdom (even though it was founded by an Ifẹ̀ prince --- Ogborogan aka Obanta).

I won't regard the Iléṣà-Yoruba Kingdom as an Ifẹ̀ Kingdom (even though it was founded by an Ifẹ̀ prince --- Ajibogun aka Obokun).

I won't regard the Ọ̀wọ̀-Yoruba Kingdom as an Ifẹ̀ Kingdom (even though it was founded by an Ifẹ̀ prince --- Ojugbelu and his son Imade).

I won't regard the AdóÈkìtì-Yoruba Kingdom as an Ifẹ̀ Kingdom (even though it was founded by an Ifẹ̀ prince --- Awamaro).

I won't regard the ÒdeÒndó-Yoruba Kingdom as an Ifẹ̀ Kingdom (even though it was founded by an Ifẹ̀ prince --- Osemowe).

All these (and countless other Yoruba Kingdoms founded by Ifẹ̀ princes) are self-contained Yoruba Kingdoms in their own right, despite their government been originally from Ifẹ̀ (although the general populace being ethno-linguistically Yoruba in these cases).

Adopting this line of reasoning, it then becomes clear that the Benin Kingdom (whose general populace are not even Yoruba to begin with) is also a self-contained Edo Kingdom (arguably Empire) in its own right, despite their government been foreign --- i.e. originally from Ifẹ̀-Yoruba.

The use of Yoruba language in Benin Kingdom particularly is therefore simply due to at least two factors, (1) it is the original language of the ruling dynasty in the Kingdom, and (2) it is the language of the then most influential ethnic group in the West Africa forest region.

lawani:
there were many indigenous people in the empire who had their languages among which is edo. Edo was the language of the Benin suburbs but Yoruba in the old empire outnumber the edo.

TAO12:
Got it!

* But can you direct me to any reputable and redoubtable evidence or proof which states that the land which came to be known as Benin Kingdom was originally and indigenously Yoruba-speaking?? *

However, the evidence available to me is to the effect that the land which came to be known as Benin Kingdom is originally and indigenously Edo-speaking.

Yes, some few settlements in its Western frontier is originally and indigenously Yoruba-speaking for obvious reasons.

But the said influence of Yoruba language in the capital city and the palace only began later due to the Yoruba affiliation of its foreign governments.

TAO12:
Lol.

Not only was Yoruba language the lingua franca in Benin Kingdom (as well as in many West African Kingdoms, e.g. Allada), the language of administration in the palace of Benin Kingdom was Yoruba language.

See attachment below from:

R.C.C. Law's "Ethnicity and the Slave Trade: "Lucumi" and "Nago" as Ethnonyms in West Africa", History in Africa, Vol. 24 (1997), p.209.

TAO12:
Lol.

Not only was Yoruba language the lingua franca in Benin Kingdom (as well as in many West African Kingdoms, e.g. Allada), the language of administration in the palace of Benin Kingdom was Yoruba language.

See attachment below from:

R.C.C. Law's "Ethnicity and the Slave Trade: "Lucumi" and "Nago" as Ethnonyms in West Africa", History in Africa, Vol. 24 (1997), p.209.

TAO12:
Got it!

* But can you direct me to any reputable and redoubtable evidence or proof which states that the land which came to be known as Benin Kingdom was originally and indigenously Yoruba-speaking?? *

However, the evidence available to me is to the effect that the land which came to be known as Benin Kingdom is originally and indigenously Edo-speaking.

Yes, some few settlements in its Western frontier is originally and indigenously Yoruba-speaking for obvious reasons.

But the said influence of Yoruba language in the capital city and the palace only began later due to the Yoruba affiliation of its foreign governments.

lawani:
there were many indigenous people in the empire who had their languages among which is edo. Edo was the language of the Benin suburbs but Yoruba in the old empire outnumber the edo.

davidnazee:
If we have to rate self deceivers, you will be leading TAO12 by far.

davidnazee:
Don’t lie to yourselves. There’s no Yoruba language influence anywhere in Benin or the capital. The only people that spoke Yoruba in the palace where the Yoruba slaves working in the palace.

Olu317:
The information above just got my bone cracking with more Laughter like someone who won a jackpot.These Oviedos are just too ignorant to realised that the more they contest Yoruba's ownership of Bini, the more ,they get bitter pill of the truth. .

It is so sad, that some e warrior Oviedos had to come this far to be exposed in the public of this magnitude. Edo isn't Yoruba land but Bini is owned, invested on by Yoruba ancestors. Perpetually a vassal kingdom of Yoruba nation because for economic gain and civilization purpose, the Ife ceramic elements in Ilare district during the 13th century was not, however, an isolated de- velopment. Ife ceramic characteristics also emerged in Owo and Benin during the same century, simultaneously with the advent of centralized political structures and ideologies.

The expansion of the Ife ceramic sphere from its homeland around the 11th century to Ilare, Owo, and Benin in the 13th century seems to parallel the political and cultural influence of Ile-Ife in the Yoruba-Edo region. On one hand, the Ife ceramic sphere can be viewed as the re- gional acculturation to the materials of the metropolitan polity with the longest history, and the most elaborate ma- terial forms, of sociopolitical complexity. On the other hand, the ceramic sphere served as the marker of a region- al system in which subgroups (social groups and commu- nities) had access to the material correlates of a coherent system of "ideological structures that established and orga- nized their place in the social world" (MacEachern 1994: 207).

Olu317:
The information above just got my bone cracking with more Laughter like someone who won a jackpot.These Oviedos are just too ignorant to realised that the more they contest Yoruba's ownership of Bini, the more ,they get bitter pill of the truth. .

It is so sad, that some e warrior Oviedos had to come this far to be exposed in the public of this magnitude. Edo isn't Yoruba land but Bini is owned, invested on by Yoruba ancestors. Perpetually a vassal kingdom of Yoruba nation because for economic gain and civilization purpose, the Ife ceramic elements in Ilare district during the 13th century was not, however, an isolated de- velopment. Ife ceramic characteristics also emerged in Owo and Benin during the same century, simultaneously with the advent of centralized political structures and ideologies.

The expansion of the Ife ceramic sphere from its homeland around the 11th century to Ilare, Owo, and Benin in the 13th century seems to parallel the political and cultural influence of Ile-Ife in the Yoruba-Edo region. On one hand, the Ife ceramic sphere can be viewed as the re- gional acculturation to the materials of the metropolitan polity with the longest history, and the most elaborate ma- terial forms, of sociopolitical complexity. On the other hand, the ceramic sphere served as the marker of a region- al system in which subgroups (social groups and commu- nities) had access to the material correlates of a coherent system of "ideological structures that established and orga- nized their place in the social world" (MacEachern 1994: 207).

TAO12:
The supposed "Yoruba slaves" were at the helm of administration of Benin Kingdom from the palace.

Speaks so much about the Edo subjects whom these "slaves" ruled over and conquered.




Sounds more like: Yoruba language was employed by Yoruba slaves "in the palace administration of Benin Kingdom" over their Edo subjects.

davidnazee:
You Yorubas are actually very shallow minded.. You guys really have slave mentality.. You sound like "house niggers" (those slaves employed to work in home administration rather than cotton fields. They always felt they were better than other slaves). So working in Benin palace which was the greatest palace in the world for your guys was an achievement. Benin Empire's ministers where Edos, army officials were Edos, administrators sent to administer conquered territories where Edos, jugdes Edos, so that means the work of the Yorubas slaves in the palace was, gardeners, cleaners, gatemen, houseboys and house girls.. so far they had these jobs in the great Benin palace was a boost for their weak ego.

Anyways please go read about why Yoruba were employed in the palace.. you will find it was because it is easy to punish them, behead them for any offence because they are foreigners and nobody will ask questions unlike if they were Edos then they cannot be treated unjustly..
so keep celebrating your weakness..

lawani:
the early Benin's of the empire used Yoruba language throughout the length and breadth of the empire. They were Yoruba not edos.

lawani:
the early Benin's of the empire used Yoruba language throughout the length and breadth of the empire. They were Yoruba not edos.

davidnazee:
No.. Edo was the original language spoken in Ife..

lawani:
no matter how hard you try, you can not change the fact that Benin was a Yoruba empire.

lawani:
no matter how hard you try, you can not change the fact that Benin was a Yoruba empire.