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Re: IPPIS: Joe Abah On "How Ghost Workers Exist In Public Institutions" by KLand(m): 6:06pm On May 19, 2020 |
This is Nigeria; anything can go. Sad. |
Re: IPPIS: Joe Abah On "How Ghost Workers Exist In Public Institutions" by brownmang(m): 6:06pm On May 19, 2020 |
Rutherford2019: when we're you paid.. Cos we are yet to receive the 2 months salary in mouau.. And also we submitted all the necessary things neede |
Re: IPPIS: Joe Abah On "How Ghost Workers Exist In Public Institutions" by kjsun15: 6:07pm On May 19, 2020 |
KingAzubuike: With all your revelations here about how ASUU members are corrupt. Why are they still poor? Compared to their counterparts from Africa e.g. South Africa, Botswana etc. |
Re: IPPIS: Joe Abah On "How Ghost Workers Exist In Public Institutions" by kjsun15: 6:08pm On May 19, 2020 |
Decibel: With all your revelations here about how ASUU members are corrupt. Why are they still poor? Compared to their counterparts from Africa e.g. South Africa, Botswana etc. 1 Like |
Re: IPPIS: Joe Abah On "How Ghost Workers Exist In Public Institutions" by brownmang(m): 6:09pm On May 19, 2020 |
edogu: Thanks for that question... I also asked him that.. Cos am yet to receive my salary for the 2 months.. |
Re: IPPIS: Joe Abah On "How Ghost Workers Exist In Public Institutions" by Blue3k(m): 6:09pm On May 19, 2020 |
zikter: Ok You made wild claim you can't back up. There's no shortage unless you can prove it. You cant and wont so move on. They aren't tough like Reagan that's why I used him as the example. Nope it means they dont have the resolve necessary. Insubordination is enough to fire them. There's plenty of qualified talent in academia to replace them. Lastly they dont have leverage considering the current labor market. |
Re: IPPIS: Joe Abah On "How Ghost Workers Exist In Public Institutions" by zikter(m): 7:00pm On May 19, 2020 |
Blue3k:okay, since the sacking of the lecturers is not going to happen as you agree, you should also move on. 1. How many professors or doctors of medicine, agronomy, microbiology, food science, engineering etc do you know are unemployed and can replace lecturers you sack? 2. How many south Africans, Ghanians, etc lecturers do you think can leave better work environment and pay to come to the very poor conditions obtained in our universities? 3. In your warp knowledge you think a university is a secondary school that anyone can go and start lecturing. This really shows how a smart leader you will be. With this your mentality, you will make history as the world's worst leader. No wonder, the Chinese and Indians have a field day in this country, with this kind of employer slave mentality 1 Like |
Re: IPPIS: Joe Abah On "How Ghost Workers Exist In Public Institutions" by SirBunky85(m): 7:17pm On May 19, 2020 |
Blue3k:I hope u won't call pmb names if he does as u've suggested? |
Re: IPPIS: Joe Abah On "How Ghost Workers Exist In Public Institutions" by cyrilamx(m): 8:00pm On May 19, 2020 |
seunmsg:Just tell me why these affected crooks won't hate Buhari. Tell me why their kids whose father were caught in the scam won't hate Buhari. PMB might not be the initiator of these laudable "checks" but he is the enforcer. |
Re: IPPIS: Joe Abah On "How Ghost Workers Exist In Public Institutions" by sleemomymy: 8:08pm On May 19, 2020 |
WHEN BUHARI SAID NIGERIAN ARE FANATICALLY CORRUPT. WE ALL DEMANDING FOR HIS HEAD. NOW WE ARE COMING TO TERM WITH THAT HIS STATEMENT. FOR NIGERIA TO MOVE IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION WE TO SAY THE TRUTH AS IT IS. GOD BLESS PMB GOD BLESS NIGERIA 1 Like
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Re: IPPIS: Joe Abah On "How Ghost Workers Exist In Public Institutions" by sleemomymy: 8:19pm On May 19, 2020 |
jesmond3945:Such prof had been earning through a rougue means. 1 Like |
Re: IPPIS: Joe Abah On "How Ghost Workers Exist In Public Institutions" by Alhaji1970: 9:44pm On May 19, 2020 |
Raxxye: You are correct but finish your PhD; the end shall justify your efforts. This is not how things will continue in Nigeria. The pay is realy bad and difficult to believe. 1 Like |
Re: IPPIS: Joe Abah On "How Ghost Workers Exist In Public Institutions" by sonofthunder: 10:05pm On May 19, 2020 |
Tobinrobin:We don't have any institution in Nigeria that is not shady. Police, firs, military, senate etc. The main plan doesn't appear just to rob the lecturers but to enrich themselves and possibly privatise these universities. If lecturers are collecting double salary or dead people are getting alerts, such issues can easily be discovered without robbing peter. Very soon they'll start withdrawing funding from these universities and secondary schools will be of same standard with our state and federal universities. |
Re: IPPIS: Joe Abah On "How Ghost Workers Exist In Public Institutions" by Blue3k(m): 10:15pm On May 19, 2020 |
zikter: Nah I dont need to. I can always suggest good alternative maybe a better leader will do it. 1. After the ultimatum most wont quit knowing they get a job elsewhere. There's enough people with masters degrees. Lol nigeria has nearly 10k unemployed PhD holders.. 2. Enough to replace anyone dumb enough to lose job over petty insubordination. You're also assuming there's nobody state or private sector wont want to replace them. 3. Lol weirdos like you claim it's slavery to obey simply directives. Why not seek your freedom in the private sector. |
Re: IPPIS: Joe Abah On "How Ghost Workers Exist In Public Institutions" by jesmond3945: 10:34pm On May 19, 2020 |
sleemomymy:ok one day you will come back to this comment. |
Re: IPPIS: Joe Abah On "How Ghost Workers Exist In Public Institutions" by zikter(m): 4:57am On May 20, 2020 |
Blue3k:keep disgracing yourself. Audio 10k, distributed in what disciplines? And do they want to teach? The decision makers in government are not dumb, if anything, they are well exposed, educated and intelligent. They know things don't work the way you think. There are legal contractual agreements between an employer and employee. You don't just order someone around because you employ him. Replace from private sector or government establishments indeed. Then, robots will replace those you have taken. Quite funny. In any case, you can free your mind now. Because your day dreaming of ultimatums, sack etc is just what it is, day dreaming. Wake up from it because it is not going to happen. We may be cursed with bad leaders but at least they are not block heads to try to crumble all sectors if the economy using your alternative model. Do a little research about your "saner climes" and see what is obtainable there in their education and compare to ours, before you will come and start your sack marathon. Sack ko bag ni |
Re: IPPIS: Joe Abah On "How Ghost Workers Exist In Public Institutions" by Blue3k(m): 6:01am On May 20, 2020 |
zikter: Lol do you think everyone is like you citing numbers they can't back up? You should take your own advice research and keep up to date. I'll link you to NBS stats since you didnt bother to look it yourself. What in the employee contract says they're exempt from IPPIS? There's no nothing in the labor law that gives these lecturers that right. You're just making up nonsense. Yes the leaders are weak like yourself we established this fact. They don't take hard stance for political reasons not legal. In rising unemployment environment it's not political expedient to fire them. Lol it's the same foolishness that makes them continue other bad policies until their hand is forced. Lol lectures shortage ni lecture shortartage ko. Why cant they find a job outside of the university if they're in such high demand. They have zero levage if the government got tough of them. There easily replaceable but you cant see this because they're sacred cows in your mind. FYI Total unemployment by degree: Masters degrees - 91,249 Doctorate Degree - 9,832
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Re: IPPIS: Joe Abah On "How Ghost Workers Exist In Public Institutions" by zikter(m): 7:37am On May 20, 2020 |
Blue3k:You have all the reasons why they cannot sack everyone and you are still suggesting it. Can you agree with me now that it cannot happen? Due to what you said and several other factors. If the leaders are not weak but strong as we wanted, me and you will not even be talking of ultimatums and sack here. Their strong policies would have benefited all satisfactorily, and hence no agitations here and there. Summary is, the situation being what it is now, the sack option is not viable and will never happen as you suggested. Once the situation changes and things are normalized, you will not see this bickering between ASUU and FG. For now, ASUU will still have their way. The FG can decide to force pay them on IPPIS, making errors, paying dead people. ASUU will on the other hand collect the payment, not resume work until their grievances are settled. |
Re: IPPIS: Joe Abah On "How Ghost Workers Exist In Public Institutions" by Nobody: 8:50am On May 20, 2020 |
mayor1814: So because the Lecturers were born before the advent of computers, their pay shouldn't be computed by one. |
Re: IPPIS: Joe Abah On "How Ghost Workers Exist In Public Institutions" by Nobody: 8:53am On May 20, 2020 |
linearity: Highly doubt it, as it is biometric-based. |
Re: IPPIS: Joe Abah On "How Ghost Workers Exist In Public Institutions" by Nobody: 8:56am On May 20, 2020 |
Alejobs: Because the salaries come in from multiple entities, it is tougher to trace mischief, as opposed to wen you are dealing with a single source of truth. |
Re: IPPIS: Joe Abah On "How Ghost Workers Exist In Public Institutions" by Raxxye(m): 11:44am On May 20, 2020 |
Alhaji1970:Thanks for the encouragement, Sir. The issues playing out in the education sector get one really worried! |
Re: IPPIS: Joe Abah On "How Ghost Workers Exist In Public Institutions" by Blue3k(m): 12:15pm On May 20, 2020 |
zikter: I dont agree with you. Lol with weak leaders on like you it can't happen. Every leader tested like Ronald Reagan in the united states. He fired 10k of his striking workers who refused his ultimatum. Insubordination doesn't need to be tolerated. The can register while issues are wirked out with software. If you have no else to say the conversation is done. Facts are the FG has all the leverage. The imaginary shortage you spoke if doesn't exist. There's also plenty of qualified professionals to replace them likes I correctly pointed out. |
Re: IPPIS: Joe Abah On "How Ghost Workers Exist In Public Institutions" by zikter(m): 1:00pm On May 20, 2020 |
Blue3k:Do not forget the subject matter. It is sacking all the lecturers. You remind me of my secondary school debate days. I said they can't sack, you say they should, but went ahead to give series of reasons why they can't. You are only debating to strengthen my points. Any reason you give as to why the government will not sack them is the exact reason they can't (my initial position). So be it weakness, political etc is just strengthening my point. Exactly how we used to box an opponent into strengthening our position invariably those days. In your mind, simply because you have a PhD, you will just walk into a university and start teaching, collect anything thrown at you(what a low self-esteem). I don't want to even open a route on this as you are so ignorant of human resources vs output. I INSIST THAT THE FG CANNOT SACK ANYONE AND NO ULTIMATUM WILL BE GIVEN TO ANYONE BECAUSE THE FG WEARS THE SHOE AND NO WHERE IT PINCHES. Conclusion: After a long debate, you see reasons why the suggestion is impossible here. Nigeria is not USA, USA is not China, China is not Angola. There is no one fit all approach in this. I expect you to come back with more reasons why your suggestion CANNOT ever happen, to strengthen my point more. Waiting |
Re: IPPIS: Joe Abah On "How Ghost Workers Exist In Public Institutions" by Blue3k(m): 1:14pm On May 20, 2020 |
zikter: Lol all you did was lie shortages, illegallity and contracts being the reason. The fact is the can fire them and has the leverage if it choose. The political will isnt there because they're weak not because they're incapable. The government can sack snd easily replace all the lectures like I proved with the unemployment numbers. If leaders and mentally weak like yourself it wont. If they're have backbone and common sense they will. I gave a conditional statement on when they will fire them. Unless you believe all leaders are weak like yourself it can't happen. Fortunately there's enough people with common sense to see the obvious. |
Re: IPPIS: Joe Abah On "How Ghost Workers Exist In Public Institutions" by zikter(m): 1:18pm On May 20, 2020 |
Blue3k:Here we go again, WHY THE SACK CANNOT HAPPEN |
Re: IPPIS: Joe Abah On "How Ghost Workers Exist In Public Institutions" by Blue3k(m): 1:25pm On May 20, 2020 |
zikter: The sack can happen if they have the resolve. Lol do you think everyone is spineless like you? |
Re: IPPIS: Joe Abah On "How Ghost Workers Exist In Public Institutions" by zikter(m): 1:28pm On May 20, 2020 |
Blue3k:Maybe they are, that is why they are not sacking. NO RESOLVE is an added reason your SACK CANNOT HAPPEN. You can bring more reasons to strengthen my stand. |
Re: IPPIS: Joe Abah On "How Ghost Workers Exist In Public Institutions" by Blue3k(m): 1:36pm On May 20, 2020 |
zikter: Lol do you think everyone spineless liar that can't see the governments leverage? Maybe they actually believe in the imaginary shortage of lecturers you claimed. Anyway since you dont understand conditional statements there's no point going on. You honestly believe there's nobody in present or future can make the change so it's a wrap. |
Re: IPPIS: Joe Abah On "How Ghost Workers Exist In Public Institutions" by zikter(m): 1:43pm On May 20, 2020 |
Blue3k:Thanks, once more my position is explicitly collaborated by you, as such we conclude that no sack is taking place. It CANNOT happen in summary. Nice interacting with you. |
Re: IPPIS: Joe Abah On "How Ghost Workers Exist In Public Institutions" by linearity: 8:14pm On May 20, 2020 |
Bagehot: Biometrics can be faked or altered. There are substances one can use to alter the ridges in their finger print to make them appear different from the original. Facial appearance can also be altered. My question is, even without altering anything, I even doubt if the BVN system is capable of detecting likely duplicate data used to obtain two BVN numbers eg: I think one can obtain a new BVN by using a different birth document altering date of birth and name, but with every other bio data remaining the same. |
Re: IPPIS: Joe Abah On "How Ghost Workers Exist In Public Institutions" by Nobody: 1:49am On May 23, 2020 |
linearity: I used to work in banking, so my experience is in far contrast to all these 'Tom Cruise / mission impossible' scenarios you just painted. There are several accounts under very different names, genders, and dates of births that were uncovered with BVN. If you claim biometrics are flawed, then you might as well be faulting the several dozens of nations that use it for public records, and even social registers like India. |
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