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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Arabiandude: 10:20am On May 20, 2020 |
sheyishemba:Cuper has done well for himself in his coaching career but 2 things that I found out about him. 1. He doesn't stay long in a job, either club or country...the highest he has stayed was 3 years or so. 2. He doesn't win finals. He has gotten to more than 10 finals in his career and never won any. He is the same coach that took Valencia to 2 champions league finals, losing to both Madrid and Bayern, both on penalties. (Bad luck. What's with Argentina/Argentinean with badluck). He is the coach that also took Egypt to the Afcon final, losing to Cameroon(always losing finals) 1 Like
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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Arabiandude: 10:23am On May 20, 2020 |
charlesemeka85:He is a bad dribbler, he did well with the dribbling, but after beating him and making that run, he should have come up with a killer pass instead of waiting for the guy to return and trying to dribble pass him again |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by komekn(m): 10:26am On May 20, 2020 |
TheLoneCitizen: It's not as simple as that. There are many Championship teams that will pay more money and give you far more career progression than teams in the Belguim and Dutch leagues. With regards to the Eredivisie take away Ajax and most would struggle in the Championship forget about EPL. 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by komekn(m): 10:33am On May 20, 2020 |
solonnachi: Eze will play for Nigeria it's just a matter of time once he has sorted out his long term future. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Danielnino00(m): 10:35am On May 20, 2020 |
Arabiandude: Your conclusion is the main thing.. Ejuke won't be the first winger we will have that will show so much promises....Even Onyekuru had better stats than him when he was in Belgium... 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by komekn(m): 10:42am On May 20, 2020 |
Arabiandude: Raheem was bought by Liverpool for near £2million are age 14 from QPR. He was already leading the attack at Liverpool as an 18 year old before he went to City. He has as always progressed and he progressed under Guardiola. Many a player get to big clubs and can't progress. To believe that at a time Jordan Ibe was competing with Raheem. Now Ibe is a mere shadow of past glories albeit a very well paid one. That proposition with regards to Chukwueze and Ejuke is optimistic speculation. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Danielnino00(m): 10:43am On May 20, 2020 |
komekn: You overrate the championship.. Money is about the only thing the championship offers better than the leagues u mentioned there.. and maybe game time.. The championship is filled with average coaches who still play kick and rush football..that's why a lot of championship teams don't last in the EPL.. Any player looking to develop and improve himself shouldn't consider going to the championship or any second tier league unless he desperately needs game time... Netherlands,France and Belgium have proven to be the best European leagues for young players to develop themselves 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by komekn(m): 10:45am On May 20, 2020 |
Happy blessed Birthday to you Safarigirl. Double celebration at this time of unprecedented global pandemic. Health is definitely wealth and that is cause to celebrate with thanksgiving for another year. Stay blessed and stay safe. 2 Likes |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Arabiandude: 10:57am On May 20, 2020 |
komekn:These are 2 players with genuine talent and with a good coach in a big club, their talents will explode, just like Ferguson did with Ronaldo. And for Ibe case, he was good at that moment but not talented, he was playing the normal British style of wingers, e.g write Phillip, lenon, etc, so I am not surprise that he retrogress...and it's same thing that's happening to Dele Alli right now. If Chukwueze and Ejuke goes to a big club with good coaches and they fail to explode, then it would simply be because they refuse to work harder and not because they aren't super talented because in today's football, just talent is no longer enough |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by komekn(m): 11:02am On May 20, 2020 |
Danielnino00: Frank Lampard, Nuno Santos, Rafael Benitez, Slaven Bilić, Marcelo Bielso, Chris Houghton to name a few past and present. These are all average coaches above according to you. The championship is the stepping stone to the EPL, if you can somehow with consistency play on the deck top quality technical football overcome the physicality and dominate. You will become a very high quality player wanted by the top clubs. There are many players who have come from the less physically intense and taxing leagues and struggled. I consider Etebo to be one of the best Midfielders in Nigeria and indeed expected him to be the next Ngolo Nkante. But he struggled in the Championship and was largely anonymous. Meanwhile Ovie, Eze and Adarabioyo have been outstanding this season. As was Tega, Aina, Tomori in seasons past where are they now, top of the game. I would absolutely say it's easier for young players to get opportunity in France, Holland and Belgium. That could be ascribed as better development but it's debatable. Apart from French league one the other leagues are not necessarily better than the Championship. After how many years in the lower leagues why has Bournemouth and Wolves lasted do long. The fact is that the EPL is the most competitive league in the world. 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by ChrisKels: 11:06am On May 20, 2020 |
BascoVanVeli: We talking present while you dwelling in the past. By the way, when and how did Simon single handedly win the Belgian league 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by ChrisKels: 11:07am On May 20, 2020 |
kellycute: Where have you been |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by ChrisKels: 11:11am On May 20, 2020 |
charlesemeka85: Judging by that clip, he was only showboating unnecessarily, nothing special |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by komekn(m): 11:14am On May 20, 2020 |
Arabiandude: What is genuine talent and what is fake talent please ![]() There are many players with talent but developing that talent technically with football intelligence becomes another thing There are boys in the top academies of the EPL at age 9/10 you will be very surprised at the level of technical coaching. It gives these boys excellent first touch and awareness. Do you know that most Nigerian players have a huge learning curve to overcome. A learning curve that talent alone will not enable you overcome. But discipline, diligence, aptitude and pray for patient coaches. Because the one thing you don't have is a lot of time. Modern football is not just dribbling and doing skills it's gone far beyond that now. A big club can expose the gaps in your attributes and capacity that raw talent has covered in lower clubs and leagues for many years. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Danielnino00(m): 11:15am On May 20, 2020 |
komekn: You should have also mentioned Alan Pardew,Steve Bruce,Mark Hughes,Ian. Holloway,Tony Pulius,etc to balance things.. The championship is a stepping stone to the EPL maybe for English players... EPL teams don't turn to the championship for quality players ..they turn to Spain, Germany,France,Italy, Netherlands and Belgium!.. Of course it is easier for young players to get opportunities in France, Netherlands and Belgium because those countries don't impose work permit restrictions on footballers like it's done in England.. The EPL is competitive,yes but not technically sound like the Spanish league... It's not like premier league clubs have dominated Europe forever or something... 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by AndSunGorilla: 11:20am On May 20, 2020 |
ChrisKels: In the barber's shop. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by andrewbaba44: 11:22am On May 20, 2020 |
komekn: Who told you most teams will struggle in the championship from the Dutch league ? Na only Ajax you call ,teams like az akmar will boss the championship Anyway Ruben neves left Porto for wolves in the championship for a record transfer fee in the championship and he was even their highest paid It finally paid off for him and wolves |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Arabiandude: 11:24am On May 20, 2020 |
komekn:Fake talent is what 99% of English players, unlike Brazilians, Germans, Spanish, Italians, Argentines, even Portuguese |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by komekn(m): 11:25am On May 20, 2020 |
Danielnino00: You are taking about two different things and with different context. Access to football for Nigerian players is a completely different topic just as is access to the French league very different for Francophone African countries. There is no problem of access for UK players including Nigerian origin players to playing in Europe. The only problem is £££ UK pays the highest in general. The top clubs in the EPL are just as technically astute as La Liga. However in general l think Last Liga is more technical. However, there is too much disparity between the top teams and the mid level teams in Liga. And the low level teams if La Liga have a huge gap between the top and bottom. You made the claim of average managers not l then pointed out a few for you, in the Championship. Now I challenge you to name better qualified and experienced coaches in any second tier league in the whole of Europe than in the Championship. Steve Bruce, Holloway, Hughes, Pulis are way above average managers the only one that's suspect is Pardew. So your comparison is not really hitting your claim. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 11:28am On May 20, 2020 |
ZikTzu: I still root for Amunike And Finidi pair. Both are home grown, played in our local league. Both played under the highest point of our game, the US 94 team under Clemence Westerhof. Both played under the tactical grandmaster, Louis Van Gaal (Finidi at Ajax and Amunike at Barcelona) Both played in the Spanish league which is known for their appreciation of brilliant passing football. Both got their coaching licence in Spain. Enough of recycling old coaches and give the younger ones their chances. I say Amunike head and Finidi Assistant. 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by ChrisKels: 11:29am On May 20, 2020 |
AndSunGorilla: Doing what |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by ZikTzu: 11:32am On May 20, 2020 |
TheGoodJoe:We can do that after 2022. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by komekn(m): 11:32am On May 20, 2020 |
Arabiandude: Wow !!! Have nothing to say, l thought we were having a objective discussion. Not one under the bridge by Cele junction with intoxicated okada riders. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Danielnino00(m): 11:34am On May 20, 2020 |
andrewbaba44: You didn't even mention PSV and Feynoord..lol.. The championship is overrated... The only advantage I see there is that they pay well .and it affords playing time for youth players from EPL team.. No player that's serious about developing his career will spend longer than 2 seasons in the championship or any second tier league for that matter... |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by komekn(m): 11:34am On May 20, 2020 |
TheGoodJoe: I agree but would have Finidi as head he us not tainted with past experience of the NFF. Finidi brings a clear perspective with clean hands and zero politics only a desire to succeed and he is not hungry for money. 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 11:35am On May 20, 2020 |
komekn: You are talking from you own perspective. You watch the EPL, so their coaches out of favour in the EPL are stars in the championship, that does not make them of better class. If you study the Spanish football, you will know their is a parity in the proficiency in coaching training from the top leagues to the lower league. They are trained highly in the modern art of possessive football and have mastered it to the point it is part of them. When Gary Neville went to coach in Spain, he was astounded at the highly tactical and technical discipline of the Spanish football. He saw things he had never heard of in training. That is why he was so lost in Spain and scarred for life. These names you are listing, I doubt they will keep up with Spanish coaching and training. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by andrewbaba44: 11:35am On May 20, 2020 |
Danielnino00: How can I like this post 100 times ? Bar man over to you |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by ChrisKels: 11:35am On May 20, 2020 |
komekn: As in drunk okada rider who rummages the under bridge wastes at Cele junction? ![]() 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by komekn(m): 11:37am On May 20, 2020 |
TheGoodJoe: Gary Neville like his brother Philip was a carpenter as a player and a carpenter as a coach. But given undue favour and prominence in English football hierarchy which is essentially very racist. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by andrewbaba44: 11:37am On May 20, 2020 |
Danielnino00: Lol I don wanna call psv and feeynord because those 2 teams will give teams in the epl a run for their money let alone the championship Not more than 8 teams in the epl is better than those 2 |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 11:38am On May 20, 2020 |
komekn: Finidi looks clean and I agree to a large extent, he does not look hungry for money. However, Amunike will bring the experience which I feel is required to hit the ground running. Amunike I think worked as an assistant for Keshi, worked as an assistant for the U17, coached the U17 and U20. Also coached in the AFCON (Tanzania). I feel the lessons of the past will play a pivotal role in his next coaching work and I feel is a recipe for success. Finidi stays and learns the ropes when it comes with dealing with the challenges and understanding how to manage the Nigerian factor in coaching. If not he might get frustrated. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by komekn(m): 11:40am On May 20, 2020 |
TheGoodJoe: The EPL is the most international league in Europe in its players and coaches. That's spilled over into the Championship. How many English coaches are in the EPL Much more in the Championship but at least 20% are not even English in my opinion not based on fact just superficial observation. Gary was a carpenter player and coach given undue favour and prominence. |
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