Roycemadeit:

Nothing but life continually... Death doesn't exist, just a change of form.
There is such a thing as good and evil.

And what form have you confirmed that we take after death?
Good and evil exists but what does that mean to any of this?

Kobojunkie:

And what form have you confirmed that we take after death?
Good and evil exists but what does that mean to any of this?

See my response are according to your questions.

There's nothing like good and evil everything is based on perspective and situation that serves our highest thought of purpose

Roycemadeit:
This things are very simple let's not make a big nonsense of it.
try adding an "o" somewhere in between the word God, or "d" in the front of evil. This thing are just perspective.

Whose perspective are we addressing here? Yours? mine? Or simply that of those who believe in God and hell?

Amujale:


Christianity is a fake, diabolic and malicious ideology.

Na, I disagree with this assertion of yours.

Christianity is a way of Live which some people fake( Wolves in Sheep Clothing) had bastardized. Because People you have encountered has given you wrong impression of it doesn't make it fake

There is nothing diabolic in Christianity

Kobojunkie:

Whose perspective are we addressing here? Yours? mine? Or simply that of those who believe in God and hell?

Everybody's perspective

Roycemadeit:

Everybody's perspective

But we all have different opinions on each issue. So are we ever going to get anyway fast if we try to pretend we all need to see the world through the same goggles?

Amujale:


What you mean?

You need to reeducate yourself regarding history.

Christianity peddles a false representation of history

OK.
Goodbye

Kobojunkie:

But we all have different opinions on each issue. So are we ever going to get anyway fast if we try to pretend we all need to see the world through the same goggles?

I hope you would indulge me by answering these
What is evil...? And what's good?
What's the origin of evil and that of good?

Roycemadeit:

I hope you would indulge me by answering these
What is evil...? And what's good?
What's the origin of evil and that of good?

One could say evil and good are both religious concepts, so for one who does not claim a religion, does any of it matter to you? Like hell, it should matter only to those who believe in these things, shouldn't it?

I beleive in God so I would say the original of what we term good, and evil, is God, because He is the creator

Greatomotoy:
Na, I disagree with this assertion of yours.

Christianity is a way of Live which some people fake( Wolves in Sheep Clothing) had bastardized. Because People you have encountered has given you wrong impression of it doesn't make it fake

There is nothing diabolic in Christianity

When something was established on the foundation of lies, such a thing can never last and can never yield good fruits.

Christianity is a religion founded on lies, deception, and make-believes. One of the greatest lies in Christianity is this common erroneous belief in this part of the world that Jehovah is the same entity as Olohun.

But the truth is that Jehovah, the violent local god from Europe, is starkly different and has distinct traits from Olohun, a friendlier local god in Yorubaland.

Equating these entities was one of the deceptive tactics of colonialists and warmongers used to enslave our forefathers in this part of the world. And they still use it to enslave people in this day and age.

Just like the Muslims ignorantly say Allah = Olohun = Jehovah = God

That's another blatant lie since according to Qur'an, Allah has no son/child; according to the Bible, Yahweh has a son (yESHUa) and other adopted sons, and according to our native history in Yorubaland, Olohun has sons (Obatala and Odua).

In reality, only the traditionalists worship Olohun, the friendly local deity in Yorubaland.

Christians worship Jehovah, the violent local deity of Israel/Europe, while Muslims worship Allah, the moon god, who is a violent local deity from Arabia.

Mixing the 3 entities up is a deceptive action.

Kobojunkie:

One could say evil and good are both religious concepts, so for one who does not claim a religion, does any of it matter to you? Like hell, it should matter only to those who believe in these things, shouldn't it?

I beleive in God so I would say the original of what we term good, and evil, is God, because He is the creator

You see when you trace evil and good to God, a singular source, you see that there's no need to split it. God is the universal consciousness he is neither good nor bad, his simply grants and help us experience our choices. Unlike religion I don't see good or evil. It is impure.
And to live in non-division is purity. Purity
means innocence -- undifferentiated innocence. A child is pure because he hasn't come to the corrupt knowledge of good and evil.

If this divisions lost their meaning, if the knowledge
which differentiates between good and evil were no more,
we would again look at the world from an innocent
attitude.

Jesus says, "Unless you become like children, you cannot
enter into my kingdom of God." Unless you become like
children... this is the purity

P.s
The good and evil are more or less hot and cold they are both temperatures but the difference lies in the degree.

Roycemadeit:

You see when you trace evil and good to God, a singular source, you see that there's no need to split it. God is the universal consciousness he is neither good nor bad, his simply grants and help us experience our choices. Unlike religion I don't see good or evil. It is impure.
And to live in non-division is purity. Purity
means innocence -- undifferentiated innocence. A child is pure because he hasn't come to the corrupt knowledge of good and evil.
If this divisions lost their meaning, if the knowledge which differentiates between good and evil were no more, we would again look at the world from an innocent attitude.
Jesus says, "Unless you become like children, you cannot enter into my kingdom of God." Unless you become like children... this is the purity
P.s
The good and evil are more or less hot and cold they are both temperatures but the difference lies in the degree.

Have you ever seen how even a 1-year old would throw a tantrum if denied an object of his desire? The same 1-year old jumps for joy when finally given said object. What that child, though innocent to you, understands is that there is a gap between that which he deems good and that which he deems bad(evil) for him. Does such a child have the understanding that good and evil are simply two extremes of the same pole? I highly doubt that. So your summation that children are innocent is a tard wonky.
I don't agree that Jesus's message meant that we all ought to become innocent in our thinking. I would say open-minded -- tossing aside all our biases, hangups, ego(s), former beliefs, etc... but not innocent.

Nawa ooo

Person just comot for how many hours and thread don scatter.

OP, seriously you need to stop smoking whatever it is you're smoking.

I rest my case. No quote me o

VickyRotex:
Nawa ooo....(

What you meant.

You arent making any sense.

You cannot Pray in Jesus name to Amen.

Why?

Because Jesus is a fictitious character that never existed.

Amujale:


What you meant.

You arent are making any sense.

Thank you. God bless you

gensteejay:

Christianity is a religion founded on lies, deception, and make-believes.

Exactly.

Only those who refuse to study history are the ones that will remain ignorant and continue to argue blindly.

The African Gods are the only true and proper ones.

Not to be conflated with the Almighty God.

Amujale:

The African Gods are the only true and proper ones.

Not to be conflated with the Almighty God.

At least you admit the african gods are not Almighty

Amujale:


Exactly.

Only those who refuse to study history are the ones that will remain ignorant and continue to argue blindly.

Why are you so worried about us? Why e dey pepper you?
Leave us let us remain ignorant.

If you didnt open this thread no one will argue with you.

Lo sun! Go sleep!

Kobojunkie:

At least you admit the african gods are not Almighty

Just like the imported ones you're worshipping are not as well. If in doubt, go through the Bible to know the human-like attributes of your god, some of which are violence, jealousy, vindictiveness, all showing limitations in intelligence and knowledge.

There are hundreds of gods and goddesses in Africa; however, not a single one of them is as violent and vindictive as Yahweh (Satan) or his partner from Arabia, Allah (who is also referred to as Lucifer in the first literature above), both gods belonging to the same godhead.

It's this godhead (other deities there are El and Yeshua) you people worship ignorantly in Christianity and Islam, the godhead referred to as We or Us in the Bible and Qur'an.

Examples are us (Gen 1:26) in the Bible and we (S.2:3) in Qur'an below. There are several other examples in both holy books.

In other words, Christianity and Islam were designed by the same team of gods (godhead), which is why both religions share many things in common.

If you read the first literature above, you'll even understand the Bible (and Qur'an for Muslims) much better.

All these gods and goddesses that are worshipped, including Olohun, are divine aspects (parts) of God Almighty, the unknown and hidden God, not meant to be worshipped.

You people have only chosen the Satanic aspects (Yahweh and his adopted son, yESHUa) of God Almighty to worship, ignoring God itself, the totality of existence (both good and evil part of it from the human perspective).

Good and evil are relative, not universal, and it's our interest that determines whether something is good or bad. So, what's good for humans could be bad for animals, plants, and the converse is also true.

Africans need to wake up and dump the worship of the gods. Religions are a waste of time and damage the brain. We need to embrace real history (our own history written by Africans, not foreigners) and science.

Think the resurrection myth applies to only Jesus Christ? Far from it. Apart from gods and goddesses like Horus and Ishtar, here are some other deities in history that were claimed to have died and resurrected after some days:

10 Resurrected Religious Figures

Dionysus

Dionysus is the Ancient Greek god of wine and divine madness. One of the many names attached to him is “Twice-born.” There are a number of myths which could explain this, but one involves the death and rebirth of Dionysus. When Zeus made Persephone pregnant, his wife Hera fell into a jealous rage. She sent the Titans to tear the infant Dionysus apart. They then consumed all of the corpse except the heart. This was saved and sewn into Zeus’ thigh, where he was gestated and born anew. Some attribute this myth of death and rebirth to viniculture. At the end of the grape season, vines are cut right back; they appear almost dead until finally springing back to life the next season. It would not be the last time in history wine was associated with a deity of resurrection.

Persephone

Persephone is the daughter of the Greek goddess Demeter, deity of the harvest and of growth. When Hades, lord of the underworld, fell in love with her, he carried Persephone off into death to be his queen. But as soon as Demeter began mourning for her daughter, the Earth’s plants began to wither. In order to prevent life on Earth from dying, Zeus ordered Hades to release Persephone. Unfortunately, Persephone had already eaten some of the food of the dead, and so she would have to return to the underworld for one-third of every year. So whenever her daughter returns to Hades, Demeter mourns—and this is why winter descends on Earth. Growth only resumes properly when Persephone is returned to the world of the living.

Osiris

OsirisThere are several versions of the myth of Osiris from Egypt, but all of those related to his early life tell of his death and rebirth. Osiris was not originally a god in his own right, but was at least partially divine—and while on his path to godhood, Osiris would die and return to life at least twice. On one occasion, jealous rivals murdered Osiris and cast him into the Nile. His sister (and wife) Isis hunted for the body and returned him to life with the help of a magic spell. But Osiris soon died once again. This time his body was ripped to pieces and scattered across the world. Isis gathered up the fragments and joined them together for a decent burial. When the other gods saw the extent of Isis’ devotion, they rewarded Osiris by resurrecting him and making him the god of the dead.7

Odin

Odin is the chief god of Norse mythology, who gained great wisdom by undergoing several trials. In order to achieve knowledge from beyond the realm of the dead, Odin decided to sacrifice himself. He took a spear and drove it into his side. Then he tied a noose to the world-tree Yggdrasil, and hanged himself for nine days. It was after this sacrifice that Odin returned, stronger than ever. If this tale of suffering, death, and resurrection sounds familiar, it is likely because Christianity had reached northern Europe long before the writing of the Poetic Edda, and would have coexisted alongside the Norse religion. Even after the official conversion of Iceland to Christianity, it was reported that sailors would sacrifice to Thor before a sea voyage.

Ganesha

Ganesha, because of his elephant head, is one of the most recognizable of the gods of the Hindu pantheon. Due to the ancient origins of Hinduism and the large number of traditions, there are a variety of stories which explain how he came into the possession of his rather unorthodox head. In one tale, Ganesha was made by the goddess Pavarti and set to guard her chamber. When Shiva attempted to enter, Ganesha did as he was told and tried to stop him, whereupon Shiva cut off Ganesha’s head. Pavarti was peeved, so Shiva decided to make up for his rash decapitation by returning Ganesha to life, giving him a new head in the process. Perhaps in an attempt to make Ganesha less handsome, Shiva used the head of an elephant.

Lemminkainen

In Finnish mythology, Lemminkainen is a hero who sets out on a mission to capture one of the black swans from the river of the underworld. He dies in the attempt, and his body sinks in the waters and is lost. The body is broken on the rocks at the bottom, and his remains are scattered. Lemminkainen’s mother comes in search of him and gathers together all of the body parts, sewing them together. This does not return her son to life, so she sends a bee to fetch some of the gods’ honey, which does the trick perfectly well.

Tammuz

Tammuz was a Sumerian god of vegetation who is supposed to have started out as a mortal king. When he was taken as a lover by the goddess Inanna things became rather tricky. According to the Epic of Gilgamesh, all of the beings loved by Ishtar (a Babylonian parallel of Inanna) end up worse off for the love. Tammuz was no different: he ended up in the kingdom of the dead. Inanna supposedly relented and went to rescue Tammuz and turn him into a god. She did this not just once but many times. Each year Tammuz dies and the world (at least in the Near East) is hit by droughts and extreme heat, and when the rains come and the crops begin to grow, it is a sign that Tammuz has once again been resurrected.3

Krishna

According to the Mahabharata, another Hindu epic, Krishna is an incarnation of the god Vishnu. The form of Krishna allowed the god to better understand his creation and interact with his people. After many adventures, wars, and explorations of the nature of the universe, Krishna attends a festival. At this festival conflict breaks out and Krishna retires to a wood to meditate. While he is contemplating under a tree, a hunter mistakes him for a deer and fatally wounds him with an arrow. Krishna dies and his body burned, but, being a god, he does not decay and instead ascends to heaven.

Quetzalcoatl

Quetzalcoatl was one of the great gods of the various peoples of Mesoamerica. In iconography, he is usually shown as a feathered serpent. He was given this frightening appearance in place of his formally ugly and pock-marked face. Once, when drunk, he called for his sister to be brought to him and had proceeded to have sex with her. Sobering up, he was ashamed of what he had done and had himself placed in a sarcophagus and floated down a river. Coming to rest on a riverbank, he arranged his possessions into a pyre and burned himself to death. His ashes rose into the air and became birds, and his heart entered the sky as the Morning Star. After four days in the underworld, he returned to heaven.1

Attis

Attis was a Phrygian god who later entered the Greek and Roman pantheons as the partner of the goddess Cybele. Like some of the other gods associated with death and resurrection, Attis was a vegetation deity. He was born from an almond nurtured in the body of a goddess. Attis was just about to be married to a princess when the goddess Cybele showed up, throwing Attis into a frenzy. Maddened, he castrated himself and bled to death. Cybele relented and brought Attis back to life, possibly resurrected in the form of a pine tree. Each year the death of Attis was mourned as it led to the failure of plants to grow. Come Spring, his resurrection was celebrated with the ritual dressing of a pine tree.

Source: https://listverse.com/2013/03/30/10-resurrected-religious-figures/

VickyRotex:


Why are you so worried about us?

Who is the us you keep refering to, if you want to continue to wallow in your mental slavery, that is up to you.

You need to wake yourself up from the seeming stupor you are in.

I dont see you refuting anything said here.

Its you that needs to go and sleep, maybe when you wake up, some sense might come to you.

gensteejay:

Africans need to wake up and dump the worship of the gods. Religions are a waste of time and damage the brain. We need to embrace real history (our own history written by Africans, not foreigners) and science.

Precisely, the god of the bible and quaran are fake and malicious.

The African Gods are the only real and proper ones.

Not to be conflated with the Almighty God.

Its pretty simple, we MUST bin all these foreign extremist religions and focus our concentration on reality, African history.

Amujale:

Who is the us you keep refering to, if you want to continue to wallow in your mental slavery, that is up to you.
You need to wake yourself up from the seeming stupor you are in.
I dont see you refuting anything said here.
Its you that needs to go and sleep, maybe when you wake up, some sense might come to you.

Those Africans who don't think or believe as you do.

Amujale:


[s]Who is the us you keep refering to, if you want to continue to wallow in your mental slavery, that is up to you.

You need to wake yourself up from the seeming stupor you are in.

Its you that needs to go and sleep, maybe when you wake up, some sense might come to you.[/s]

I dont see you refuting anything said here.

Because Vicky doesn't have your time. Dont quote me again!

Kobojunkie:

At least you admit the african gods are not Almighty

Who is God?

The African divine principles are God.

You and I and everyone of us could grow in spirituality or does something so revolutionary that we can become a god.

Foreigners came to Africa, found out about our divine principles and called them God.

The African Gods are the only true and proper ones.

Not to be conflated with the Almighty God.

Kobojunkie:

At least you admit the african gods are not Almighty

For instance, anyone who studies history well enough, instead of the fakery of these foreign extremist religions, would appreciate the fact that our divine principles are all that we need to make our world a better place.

Foreigners came to Africa, found out about our divine principles and called them God.

They twisted and bastardised our history and divine principles in order to create these foreign malicious ideologies.

VickyRotex: ...

You started by saying nothing and ended your conversation with nothing of any importance.

What a waste of our time.

Amujale:


[s]You started by saying nothing and ended your conversation with nothing of any importance.[/s]

What a waste of my time.

In bold, mission accomplished! because that's what you deserve.

Kobojunkie:

Those Africans who don't think or believe as you do.

Im not telling you to just accept what is being said but research these for ourselves.

I challenge anyone to find any information that refutes these facts.

Christianity and Islam are the worst religions ever to set foot on African soil.

These foreign extremist ideologies are fake and malicious; tools of propaganda and brainwashing.

There isnt one chatacter or story inside Abrahamic religious text that can lay claim to being original

Kobojunkie:

Those Africans who don't think or believe as you do.

In a sense, what we are saying here is that both Christianity and Islam are a facade, a scam.

These are the same ideologies that caused the very situations in Africa that exist today.

VickyRotex:


In bold, mission accomplished! because that's what you deserve.

What is your contribution to this thread?