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| Re: Trinity Explained by xproducer: 7:37pm On May 17, 2020 |
AntiChristian: ============= This is what the Lord GOD says He will do upon His return - “For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth; And the former shall not be remembered or come to mind." - Isaiah 65:17 "But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up. Therefore, since all these things will be dissolved, what manner of persons ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness," - 2 Peter 3:10-11 "For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. Therefore comfort one another with these words." - 1 Thessalonians 4:16-18 Peace & blessings! ----------------------------- "The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance." - 2 Peter 3:9 1 Like |
| Re: Trinity Explained by Janosky: 11:32pm On May 17, 2020 |
Matthew 11:27 All things have been delivered to Me by My Father, and no one KNOWS the SON except the FATHER. Nor does anyone KNOW the FATHER except the SON, and the one to whom the SON wills to REVEAL HIM. Matthew 16:13-17. John 20:17,30-31. Rev 3:12. That is what Jesus Christ has revealed about himself and his Father in heaven. As Achorladey wise reach , he no even fit write him own Bible since those Bible verses cited above dey pain am for brain.....  Achorladey done forget say Na Governing Body write Matthew 16:13-17. John 20:17,30-31. Rev 3:12 put am inside Bible. .You never fit practice wetin Jesus Christ followers write for Bible Na the ones we Jesus Christ NEVER write down Na you dey practice  .Ode wey dey DECEIVE himself |
| Re: Trinity Explained by AntiChristian: 9:41am On May 18, 2020 |
xproducer: When will he return exactly? Kindly ask the Holy Spirit for me. Why is the Lord returning? Where did He go before? xproducer: Why do you qualify your God with a thief? xproducer: Obviously it is not the Lord saying this but one letter writer... xproducer: Obviously it is not the Lord saying this but one letter writer... |
| Re: Trinity Explained by achorladey: 4:11pm On May 18, 2020 |
Janosky: I won't go down THE ODE part with. You that's not the ODE cannot understand WHAT an ODE cited. The ODE quoted Jesus OWN words perhaps this Mr Janosky (ODE detector) knows the FATHER more than JESUS or the ODE detector KNOWS Jesus more THAN the FATHER Ode DETECTOR. Go and read and read and read Matthew 11:27 again. Mr ODE detector. Janosky: You never fit practice wetin Jesus Christ followers write for Bible Na the ones we Jesus Christ NEVER write down Na you dey practice. Achorladey: I wonder who gave you the QUALIFICATION as ODE detector. The above post is a DISASTER on your QUALIFICATION. Your POST here on NAIRALAND is filled WITH name, labels, TAGS and so on. Is that what Jesus Christ asked you to FOLLOW Mr Janosky (ODE detector) who heads committee of the ODE detectors? ODE detector when YOU are done with YOUR BOOK KNOWLEDGE you will see the below ONCE AGAIN... REALITY says if YOU don't agree or PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE FIRST to "JEHOVAH'S ORGANIZATION"(WTBTS) which is NO LONGER SPIRIT DIRECTED as CONTROLLED by GB who are NOT INSPIRED by JEHOVAH)you cannot be BAPTIZED(in the name of the father, son and holy spirit and cannot be SEEN to serve JEHOVAH. In essence you cannot develop RELATIONSHIP with JEHOVAH without BONDING well first with the GB. It is the GB(that is not SPIRIT DIRECTED or INSPIRED) that will GIVE you the NEEDED pass to now have RELATIONSHIP with JEHOVAH. I hope you UNDERSTAND the ABOVE well. I repeat this question ONCE more as captured in the PREVIOUS post........Has their BELIEVE in TRINITY severe them from HAVING RELATIONSHIP with the FATHER and SON? If you had understood the last part of my PREVIOUS post you won't have said the below You never fit practice wetin Jesus Christ followers write for Bible Na the ones we Jesus Christ NEVER write down Na you dey practice.............according to GRAND MASTER of the ODES who decides the qualification of every other ODE. It is expected anyway considering you simply don't understand the FIRST post you responded to. The ZEAL to detect the ODE blocked your VIEW and the LOVE of BOOK KNOWLEDGE no gree you see well. SMH  |
| Re: Trinity Explained by xproducer: 5:12am On May 21, 2020 |
AntiChristian: ================= "But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned." - 1 Corinthians 2:14 Also, "All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work." - 2 Timothy 3:16-17 "for prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit." -2 Peter 1:21 1 Like |
| Re: Trinity Explained by AntiChristian: 8:52am On May 21, 2020 |
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| Re: Trinity Explained by AntiChristian: 9:28am On May 21, 2020 |
xproducer: This is Allegedly written by Paul/Sosthenes to the Church in Corinth... Not applicable to me. 1 Like |
| Re: Trinity Explained by Faithful4real(m): 11:31am On May 21, 2020 |
AntiChristian: Antichristian, i have a question for you We have built the heaven with might, and We it is Who make the vast extent (thereof). — Quran 51:47 Verily We created man from a product of wet earth; Then placed him as a drop (of seed) in a safe lodging; Then fashioned We the drop a clot, then fashioned We the clot a little lump, then fashioned We the little lump bones, then clothed the bones with flesh, and then produced it as another creation. So blessed be Allah, the Best of creators! — Quran 23:12-14 Who is the we 1 Like |
| Re: Trinity Explained by AntiChristian: 4:37pm On May 21, 2020 |
Faithful4real: The We is Allah. He decided to use that for Himself. We also use He and Him for Him yet He is not a man! Say, "He is Allah, [who is] One, "Allah-us-Samad (The Self-Sufficient Master, Whom all creatures need, He neither eats nor drinks). "He begets not, nor was He begotten; "And there is none co-equal or comparable unto Him." Qur'an (112 vs 1-4) Finally In Qur'an 19:30 Jesus is a slave of Allah like Muhammad, Abraham, Moses and others. He ['Iesa (Jesus)] said: Verily! I am a slave of Allah, He has given me the Scripture and made me a Prophet. |
| Re: Trinity Explained by Faithful4real(m): 6:01pm On May 21, 2020 |
AntiChristian: What!!! You are try to tell me that God decided to call himself we. But to be sincere does that sound OK in your mind. |
| Re: Trinity Explained by AntiChristian: 11:17am On May 22, 2020 |
Faithful4real: it's OK if the Queen of England uses it. It's their language. But when it comes to the Allah of islam then it's wrong usage. Islam was revealed in Arabic and it is permitted in that Language. And sincerely it does sound OK in my mind and other sane minds. Google "Royal We" and learn! And Allah is not even comparable to any king! “We are not amused.” This is a quote attributed to Queen Victoria, however, is most probably apocryphal. |
| Re: Trinity Explained by KNOWMORE56: 8:59pm On May 22, 2020 |
AntiChristian: At least you have posted your own line of thinking. @why tag me |
| Re: Trinity Explained by KNOWMORE56: 9:05pm On May 22, 2020 |
xproducer: Thanks for the post and stay blessed always |
| Re: Trinity Explained by KNOWMORE56: 9:22pm On May 22, 2020 |
One of the things that this topic wants to achieve is that: The Christians God is 3 Personalities in one God. *These 3 Personalities have characteristics that differentiate them. And They have characteristics that unite Them. *That is to say that They are DISTINCTLY DIFFERENT and at the same time They are UNIQUELY THE SAME. *The difficulties the majority are having is in this "They are the same as well as are different" *Many people have given the examples from the Bible that show They are different, especially between Jesus and God the Father. |
| Re: Trinity Explained by KNOWMORE56: 9:30pm On May 22, 2020 |
Maximus69: One of the laws in mathematics says 1(one)× itself it remains the same John 16:28 "I CAME FORTH from the Father..." In my understanding He is saying " I multiplied/increased from the Father" The 1st one(1) is one, 2nd one(1) is one and the 3rd one(1) is one. the same Whatever description you give to any of them the same is true for the rest |
| Re: Trinity Explained by KNOWMORE56: 9:41pm On May 22, 2020 |
[quote author=Janosky post=89594511] Revelations 2:27, Jesus Christ says "I have AUTHORITY FROM MY FATHER". (Compare Matthew 28:18 ), Jesus Christ says his Father and God gave him the authority in heaven and earth to bear titles we usually ascribe to his Father. There is ZERO equality between Jesus and his God. No be rocket science..... Trinitarians always make fictitious claims to suit their FALSE doctrine. One of the laws in mathematics says 1(one)× itself it remains the same. That's to say, if one increased itself into 3, it quality is not affected. The difference is the position, i.e 1(1st position) ×(increased by) 1(2nd position) ×(increased by) 1(3rd position) = 1 John 16:28 "I CAME FORTH from the Father..." In my understanding He is saying " I multiplied/increased from the Father" The 1st one(1) is one, 2nd one(1) is one and the 3rd one(1) is one. the same Whatever description you give to any of them the same is true for the rest |
| Re: Trinity Explained by Janosky: 10:18pm On May 22, 2020 |
[quote author=KNOWMORE56 post=89852535][/quote] Bros,John 16:28, I came forth from Benin, DOESN'T mean I multiplied from Benin .In John 16:28, Jesus Christ is making his own confession of the truth of Ephesians 3:14-15. ALL of us PLUS Jesus Christ owe our existence to his CREATOR. "The BEGINNING of the creation which God created" Revelations 3:12,14. Mark 13:19. No be rocket science. Shalom |
| Re: Trinity Explained by KNOWMORE56: 10:52pm On May 22, 2020 |
Janosky: This is the interpretation of that verses: 1×1×1=1. Father have increased (i.e the meaning of multiply ×) Himself to 2 more positions, which has not affected His quality. After redemption is completed, the multiplication (increasement) will be cancelled, which is the one (1) after equal sign, 1 Corinthians 15:27. It's true to all people that any description given to any of the ones (1s) the same is true for all, thier position not withstanding! You have been pointing at differences in the existence but you have tried hard to ignore the oneness. I have given examples 1 to 8, now I give you 10 10. Father/Son WAS/IS BEING/SHALL BE WORSHIPED: *. Matthew 2:11"KJV:And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and FELL DOWN, and WORSHIPPED HIM: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense and myrrh. (i.e the Son) *. Genesis 24:26 "KJV:And the man BOWED DOWN his head, and WORSHIPPED the LORD . (i.e the Father) *. Revelation 4:10-11 "KJV: The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying, 11 KJV:Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created. (i.e the Son) *. Revelation 7:11 "KJV:And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and FELL before the throne on their faces, and WORSHIPPED God , (i.e the Father) *. Hebrews 1:6 "KJV:And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the ANGELS of God WORSHIP HIM . (i.e the Son) Note: Isaiah 42:8 and 48:11"KJV:I am the Lord: that is my name: and MY GLORY WILL I NOT GIVE to ANOTHER, neither my praise to graven images" "KJV:For mine own sake, even for mine own sake, will I do it: for how should my name be polluted? and I WILL NOT GIVE MY glory unto another |
| Re: Trinity Explained by KNOWMORE56: 11:10pm On May 22, 2020 |
@janosky Even in Heaven, after His glorification, God the Son (Jesus Christ of Nazareth) was seen a LAMB ( one of His offices that makes Him less than human beings). Therefore, "my God" and "my Father" is nothing compared to His position (a Lamb) *. Revelation 5:6 "JV:And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a LAMB as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth. |
| Re: Trinity Explained by Janosky: 11:21pm On May 22, 2020 |
KNOWMORE56:Let's get this clear here. Jesus Praised Yahweh, The Lord of Heaven and earth in Matt11:25. Yahweh is the God Almighty of Revelations 4:11.(Compare Rev 3:12 and Romans 11:35-36). NOT Jesus Christ. In heaven and earth, is Jesus accountable to his Father and God? Matt10:32-33. Rev3:5. Yes !! Because Jesus worshipped his Father and God. Did Jesus say you must worship ONLY his God and Father ? Matt 4:10. Yes ! Therefore, Greek proskuneo in Hebrews1:6, Matthew 2:11 means homage, obeisance. NOT the WORSHIP Jesus instructed you to give EXCLUSIVELY to his Father, Yahweh. Acts10:25 do you agree that Cornelius worshipped Peter? Is Peter God ?
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| Re: Trinity Explained by Janosky: 11:35pm On May 22, 2020 |
KNOWMORE56:The term "God the son" is man made, not SCRIPTURES. Does The son of God mean God the son ? No, NOT at all. Bros, Luke 9:35 at Jesus transfiguration, in the clouds, whose voice spoke? What did the voice say? Jesus Christ himself @ John 20:17 and Revelations 3:12,21 have cemented his true identity and position in heaven. He says he still a son there , Not God. I can't force you to accept what Jesus said about himself. |
| Re: Trinity Explained by Judybash93(m): 2:28am On May 23, 2020 |
So, God is 3 and still 1. Good!! So, God created the world, he placed man in a garden with the tree of good and of evil and knew that man will fall since he knows the beginning and the end but he still did it anyway, he sent the devil to earth and humans sinned then he regretted creating humans  when he actually knew that they were going to sin. He/she then sent himself to the world to die for the sin that he/she caused at the initial point. Moreover, God is love but he/she commanded the Israelites to literally wipe out entire populations because they didn't believe in him/her For an individual to even show that he believes in God in those days he needed to show his faith by almost killing his only son (Abraham) |
| Re: Trinity Explained by AntiChristian: 10:47am On May 23, 2020 |
KNOWMORE56: Someone tagged us all. And i simply quoted back. |
| Re: Trinity Explained by KNOWMORE56: 6:16pm On May 23, 2020 |
Janosky: Nobody argues with the law that says 1×1×1=1; Father x Son x Holy Ghost = one Almighty God. This is settled. |
| Re: Trinity Explained by KNOWMORE56: 6:31pm On May 23, 2020 |
Janosky: Let's see some of the qualities of the true God: *. Creator *. Power *. Omniscient *. Everlasting *. Receiving worship *. Judge of all *. Love *. Omnipresent, etc NOTE! God the Son does not fall short of these qualities, the Son is God. Expecting the Father to call the Son 'my father' or 'my God'; this is not one of the qualities of the true God. So, I don't know what you are holding on to. |
| Re: Trinity Explained by sonmvayina(m): 6:35pm On May 23, 2020 |
KNOWMORE56: How can God be the creator and still be part of creation.... I need clarification please.. 1 Like 1 Share |
| Re: Trinity Explained by orisa37: 9:57pm On May 23, 2020 |
KNOWMORE56x2020. Mathematically 1×1×1=1(the Almighty One)-- CORRECT. AND SO Trinity is 1×1×1=1GOD (the Almighty)✓ Jesus loves you all. Amen. CORONAVIRUS SHALL NOT REACH YOUR GATE IJN AMEN AMEN AMEN !!! |
| Re: Trinity Explained by Janosky: 12:21pm On May 24, 2020 |
orisa37: The holy Scriptures is NOT man made Mathematics. the Almighty God SAYS NO to your Mathematics. "Then a voice came out of the cloud,saying: This is my Son,the one who has been chosen. Listen to him"(Luke 9:35) |
| Re: Trinity Explained by Janosky: 12:28pm On May 24, 2020 |
KNOWMORE56: Bros,is Jesus Christ a jealous God? Jesus Christ says himself is not the True God John 17:3. Jesus receives homage NOT worship. [b]Matt4:10, Jesus says Only the jealous God , Yahweh RECEIVES worship. God the son is a man made FRAUD. 1 Like |
| Re: Trinity Explained by Janosky: 12:36pm On May 24, 2020 |
KNOWMORE56: John 17:3 " the ONLY true, Almighty God is how many? John 4:24 , Almighty God is how many Spirits? |
| Re: Trinity Explained by KNOWMORE56: 4:20pm On May 24, 2020 |
orisa37: And I said a big AMEN! |
| Re: Trinity Explained by KNOWMORE56: 5:02pm On May 24, 2020 |
Let's see some of the qualities of the true God: *. Creator *. Power *. Omniscient *. Everlasting *. Receiving worship *. Judge of all *. Love *. Omnipresent, etc 10. Father/Son is the creator of all things: *. Isaiah 45:5-7 "KJV:I am the Lord, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me: 6 KJV:That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the Lord, and there is none else. 7 KJV:I FORM the light, and CREATE darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things. *. Isaiah 45:12 " KJV:I have MADE the earth, and CREATED man upon it: I, even MY HANDS, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded. ( i.e the Father) *. Jeremiah 27: 5 "KJV:I HAVE MADE the earth, the man and the beast that are upon the ground, by my great power and by my outstretched arm, and have given it unto whom it seemed meet unto me. ( i.e the Father) *. John 1:3 "KJV: ALL THINGS were MADE BY HIM; and without him was not any thing MADE that was made. ( i.e the Son) I *. Colossians 1:16 "KJV:For by him were ALL THINGS CREATED, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: ALL THINGS were CREATED by him, and FOR HIM  i.e the Son)*. Romans 11:36 "KJV:For of him, and through him, and to him, ARE ALL THINGS: to whom be glory for ever. Amen. (i.e the Son) NOTE! God said He created all things with His own hands, see Isaiah 45:12 2. These things were created by Himself, for Himself. For His own pleasure they are and were created, see Colossians 1:16, Romans 11:36 and Revelation 4:11. For the fact that Jesus possesses all the qualities of the true God, He's the true God. |
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