whitelotus:



Shouldn't it be debated

What's evident is the way you actually expect Muslims to behave, think and react to issues like you non-muslims. In fact as a Muslim, you should question your Islam when you begin to behave like the non Muslims.

Most Muslims are imbibed with love for Allah and His messenger right from their early years of childhood and youth. We feel deeply hurt when what we hold dear is insulted. While non Muslims might not care or even insult their religious figures and even make fun of them, we do not question them or insist on them to react the way we would do. So why are you suggesting to Muslims how to react thesame way you would react when they are insulted? This is very illogical to me.


People always blame the Muslims and accuse them of INTOLERANCE. But what really defines intolerance? Is someone expected not to voice his concern and displeasure when the love of your life is insulted or likened to the worst creature that ever existed? If you do not react to that, I honestly can't describe you as intolerant and I equally can't then use you as a case study of tolerance.

Who defines what amounts to tolerance? The person who likened Muslims or Islamic figures to unprintable names or the muslim who wouldn't take it? I guess what i am trying to say is that tolerance is reciprocal. As much as I do not see the logic behind people worshipping fire as a supreme being. It is my tolerance that wouldn't make me draw a demeaning cartoon to make mockery of them.


Seun had two choices; leave the moderator to enforce the law or take down the law and find a way to reduce to the nearest minimum the level of evil perpetrated against the Muslim. He made the second option.
If not for the Loss of data, you would have seen that many Muslims wanted the law fully implemented. But he (seun) had his business to protect and I don't blame him for that.
Funny enough, the Islamic pledge or the creation of a separate section hasn't stopped non Muslims from posting here. In fact, the bigots are even more active now that I just viewed the sub section of Islam for Muslims.


Personally I have no problem with one religion section or removal of the Islamic declaration as long as offenders are sanctioned and punished severely just as before.

udatso:

What's evident is the way you actually expect Muslims to behave, think and react to issues like you non-muslims. In fact as a Muslim, you should question your Islam when you begin to behave like the non Muslims.

Most Muslims are imbibed with love for Allah and His messenger right from their early years of childhood and youth. We feel deeply hurt when what we hold dear is insulted. While non Muslims might not care or even insult their religious figures and even make fun of them, we do not question them or insist on them to react the way we would do. So why are you suggesting to Muslims how to react thesame way you would react when they are insulted? This is very illogical to me.


People always blame the Muslims and accuse them of INTOLERANCE. But what really defines intolerance? Is someone expected not to voice his concern and displeasure when the love of your life is insulted or likened to the worst creature that ever existed? If you do not react to that, I honestly can't describe you as intolerant and I equally can't then use you as a case study of tolerance.

Who defines what amounts to tolerance? The person who likened Muslims or Islamic figures to unprintable names or the muslim who wouldn't take it? I guess what i am trying to say is that tolerance is reciprocal. As much as I do not see the logic behind people worshipping fire as a supreme being. It is my tolerance that wouldn't make me draw a demeaning cartoon to make mockery of them.


Seun had two choices; leave the moderator to enforce the law or take down the law and find a way to reduce to the nearest minimum the level of evil perpetrated against the Muslim. He made the second option.
If not for the Loss of data, you would have seen that many Muslims wanted the law fully implemented. But he (seun) had his business to protect and I don't blame him for that.
Funny enough, the Islamic pledge or the creation of a separate section hasn't stopped non Muslims from posting here. In fact, the bigots are even more active now that I just viewed the sub section of Islam for Muslims.


Personally I have no problem with one religion section or removal of the Islamic declaration as long as offenders are sanctioned and punished severely just as before.

The first thing I would like you to know is that I'm very old on this section. 2012.

The second thing is that I believe that everyone should be treated equally.

In the beginning, there was only one religion section. Atheist, muslims and Christians all together. A lot of muslims could not handle the criticisms and one sent a death threat to the owner. That is how we got an Islam section.

If you dont believe me, you can check the first page of this thread where the owner is shown in his own words saying that the Islam section was created for the safety of non muslims. In other words, it is the muslims that will attack the Christians and atheists in real life if the sections were not separated.

Now, I am not saying that all muslims are intolerant or physically violent. There exists a number of moderate or liberal muslims who respect themselves and respect the rights of non muslims to do whatever they like. However, there are many traditional muslims who still believe in medieval islam where people can be killed for blasphemy or any criticism of the religion. This is something that Christians have left behind in the earlier centuries.


The question is very simple. If Christians, satanists and atheists can live together in one section and muslims cannot, does that not show that there is something wrong with islam or muslims?

I am an atheist and I have recieved insults from both Christians and muslims. I react with the words sometimes and other times, I ignore. Your muslim brothers have called me different names on Nairaland. Some say that I am from Shaytan. Some say I am Munafiqun. Some say that I will suffer both on earth and in heaven for my beliefs. Should I then react and threaten all manner of violence and separation?

whitelotus:



The first thing I would like you to know is that I'm very old on this section. 2012.

The second thing is that I believe that everyone should be treated equally.

In the beginning, there was only one religion section. Atheist, muslims and Christians all together. A lot of muslims could not handle the criticisms and one sent a death threat to the owner. That is how we got an Islam section.

If you dont believe me, you can check the first page of this thread where the owner is shown in his own words saying that the Islam section was created for the safety of non muslims.In other words, it is the muslims that will attack the Christians and atheists in real life if the sections were not separated.

That's your interpretation. Until seun confirms that he was threatened to be killed by Muslims, I take this bolded text as your interpretation. You have yours and I have mine.

Now, I am not saying that all muslims are intolerant or physically violent. There exists a number of moderate or liberal muslims who respect themselves and respect the rights of non muslims to do whatever they like. However, there are many traditional muslims who still believe in medieval islam where people can be killed for blasphemy or any criticism of the religion. This is something that Christians have left behind in the earlier centuries.

Again, the false assumption of everyone is free to do whatever he likes. No sir, actions have consequences. Your right to throw your hands in the air stops at where my face is. Until we know our limits, these things would continue to repeat themselves. Advice your non-muslim friends to not throw their hands to our face and
expect us to be calm. If wrong doings aren't meant to be published, then theres no need for justice system

You can't on one hand advocate for people to do what they like and then condemn the actions of others when they react how they like.

It sounds like injustice to me.

The question is very simple. If Christians, satanists and atheists can live together in one section and muslims cannot, does that not show that there is something wrong with islam or muslims?

Isn't the answer simple? Birds of a feather.......
Allah says in the Qur'an
(2:120)
Never will the Jews nor the Christians be pleased with you (O Muhammad Peace be upon him) till you follow their religion. Say: “Verily, the Guidance of Allah (i.e. Islamic Monotheism) that is the (only) Guidance. And if you (O Muhammad Peace be upon him) were to follow their (Jews and Christians) desires after what you have received of Knowledge (i.e. the Quran), then you would have against Allah neither any Wali (protector or guardian) nor any helper. - Muhsin Khan trans.

I am an atheist and I have recieved insults from both Christians and muslims. I react with the words sometimes and other times, I ignore. Your muslim brothers have called me different names on Nairaland. Some say that I am from Shaytan. Some say I am Munafiqun. Some say that I will suffer both on earth and in heaven for my beliefs. Should I then react and threaten all manner of violence and separation?

Have you tried not getting involved in the affairs of the Muslims and you were still insulted and threatend?

I go with the basic principle of Live and let's live. If I don't constitute nuisance in your affairs, I would so much respect you if you can reciprocate. The world would be a better place for you and me. Don't instigate a fight and then define terms of reaction to me. Is this too difficult to understand?

udatso:



That's your interpretation. Until seun confirms that he was threatened to be killed by Muslims, I take this bolded text as your interpretation. You have yours and I have mine.





Again, the false assumption of everyone is free to do whatever he likes. No sir, actions have consequences. Your right to throw your hands in the air stops at where my face is. Until we know our limits, these things would continue to repeat themselves. Advice your non-muslim friends to not throw their hands to our face and
expect us to be calm. If wrong doings aren't meant to be published, then theres no need for justice system




Isn't the answer simple? Birds of a feather.......
Allah says in the Qur'an
(2:120)
Never will the Jews nor the Christians be pleased with you (O Muhammad Peace be upon him) till you follow their religion. Say: “Verily, the Guidance of Allah (i.e. Islamic Monotheism) that is the (only) Guidance. And if you (O Muhammad Peace be upon him) were to follow their (Jews and Christians) desires after what you have received of Knowledge (i.e. the Quran), then you would have against Allah neither any Wali (protector or guardian) nor any helper. - Muhsin Khan trans.




Have you tried not getting involved in the affairs of the Muslims and you were still insulted and threatend?

I go with the basic principle of Live and let's live. If I don't constitute nuisance in your affairs, I would so much respect you if you can reciprocate. The world would be a better place for you and me. Don't instigate a fight and then define terms of reaction to me. Is this too difficult to understand?

I can see that you dont want to be honest.

Apparently, in your whole comment, it is clear you believe that muslims have never been the aggressors.

It is always atheists and other non muslims looking for trouble.


That kind of mindset is not only biased, it is also dangerous.


Goodbye

whitelotus:



I can see that you dont want to be honest.

Apparently, in your whole comment, it is clear you believe that muslims have never been the aggressors.

It is always atheists and other non muslims looking for trouble.


That kind of mindset is not only biased, it is also dangerous.


Goodbye

You only see what your eyes want to see, how can life be what you want it to be, you broken when your heart is not open. Madonna


Let the readers decide that. You can't eat your cake and have it. You advocate for unfair standards and I advocate for fairness so we can live in peace.


Have a nice day sir.

udatso:

You only see what your eyes want to see, how can life be what you want it to be, you broken when your heart is not open. Madonna


Let the readers decide that. You can't eat your cake and have it. You advocate for unfair standards and I advocate for fairness so we can live in peace.


Have a nice day sir.

Your idea of fairness is one religion having a special section for itself while others share one section.

And you this while quoting an anti-religious, hyper-sexual musician Madonna. A musician known for erotic dances.

Delusional muslim

whitelotus:


Your idea of fairness is one religion having a special section for itself while others share one section.

And you this while quoting an anti-religious, hyper-sexual musician Madonna. A musician known for erotic dances.

Delusional muslim

I understand that you are hurt and it explains why you would attack the messenger rather than the message. Indeed Truth hurts

udatso:

I understand that you are hurt and it explains why you would attack the messenger rather than the message. Indeed Truth hurts

Is that all?

whitelotus:


Is that all?

Right from my first post, my point was clear

udatso:



Personally I have no problem with one religion section or removal of the Islamic declaration as long as offenders are sanctioned and punished severely just as before.

And I wouldn't be a stumbling block to the Christians and others should they request for their seperate individual section. I only addressed some of your points that tend to promote injustice or relate what happened in the wrong way.

udatso:

Right from my first post, my point was clear

And I wouldn't be a stumbling block to the Christians and others should they request for their seperate individual section. I only addressed some of your points that tend to promote injustice or relate what happened in the wrong way.

See this one speaking from both sides of his mouth.

If you truly have no problem with having one religion section then, you must admit 2 things.

1. That the creation of a separate islam section made nairaland muslims to look intolerant. Especially considering that the religion section is growing strong with atheists, satanist and Christian's living together there.

2. That sending death threats to Seun by nairaland muslims to get their way was sabotage.

whitelotus:



See this one speaking from both sides of his mouth.

If you truly have no problem with having one religion section then, you must admit 2 things.

1. That the creation of a separate islam section made nairaland muslims to look intolerant. Especially considering that the religion section is growing strong with atheists, satanist and Christian's living together there.

You seem to believe that we should worry that people of other faith don't think highly of us. So far,you haven't admitted how wrong you are in your double standard of permitting everyone to do what they like to Muslims without consequences while you vehemently oppose Muslims' reaction in however they want. So this statement of yours coming from you after you have displayed your double standard holds no weight.

2. That sending death threats to Seun by nairaland muslims to get their way was sabotage.

so far, you have been unable to provide a concrete proof that Seun's life was threatened. You only gave your interpretation of his statement which is very far from the truth from what you oosted.

If you dont believe me, you can check the first page of this thread where the owner is shown in his own words saying that the Islam section was created for the safety of non muslims.In other words, it is the muslims that will attack the Christians and atheists in real life if the sections were not separated.

How you managed to translate the bolded to mean Seun's life was threatened baffles me.
Before you demand honesty from others, ensure that you are a paragon of sincerity and honesty.

udatso:


You seem to believe that we should worry that people of other faith don't think highly of us. So far you, haven't admitted how wrong you are in your double standard of permitting everyone to do what they like to Muslims without consequences while you vehemently oppose Muslims' reaction in however they want. So this statement of yours coming from you after you have displayed your hypocrisy holds no weight.


so far, you have been unable to provide a concrete proof that Seun's life was threatened. You only gave your interpretation of his statement which is very far from the truth from what you oosted.

How you managed to translate the bolded to mean Seun's life was threatened baffles me.
Before you demand honesty from others, ensure that you are a paragon of sincerity and honesty.

I am just laughing.

That you dont know or you are acting ignorant about the fact that Seun's life was threatened is just too funny. Something that was common knowledge then.


Since you see the creation of a separate section for islam (when other religions share one section) as a normal thing, there is no need to take you seriously.

Feel free to stylishly run away from truth. As far as this thread is concerned, It's on the record that your views are biased against the Muslims. You had nothing to say after I severally called you out and addressed your points. Next time you feel like taking it all out on us, ask yourself questions about your sincerity before you do.

Have a nice day sir. My work is done here. I urge my Muslim brothers to ignore you henceforth rashduct4luv lanrexlan tbaba1234

udatso:
Feel free to stylishly run away from truth. As far as this thread is concerned, It's on the record that your views are biased against the Muslims. You had nothing to say after I severally called you out and addressed your points. Next time you feel like taking it all out on us, ask yourself questions about your sincerity before you do.

Have a nice day sir. My work is done here. I urge my Muslim brothers to ignore you henceforth rashduct4luv lanrexlan tbaba1234

Lol.....you are asking your bros to run after accusing me of running!

udatso:

Right from my first post, my point was clear

And I wouldn't be a stumbling block to the Christians and others should they request for their seperate individual section. I only addressed some of your points that tend to promote injustice or relate what happened in the wrong way.

You think he is ready to reason with you , he has hypocritical mind of his own.

Empiree:
You think he is ready to reason with you , he has hypocritical mind of his own.

Kindly shift. Your type is not needed here. Dont you have some underage nikkah to attend? PEDOPHILIA supporter musli.

Empiree:
You think he is ready to reason with you , he has hypocritical mind of his own.

It's clear he isn't oooo. He wants group A to have freedom to do whatever they want to group B but opposes group B reacting whichever way they want. Thats when he remembers the word "TOLERANCE".

udatso:

It's clear he isn't oooo. He wants group A to have freedom to do whatever they want to group B but opposes group B reacting whichever way they want. Thats when he remembers the word "TOLERANCE".

Yeah....sending nding death threats is tolerance in your opinion.

lanrexlan:


Read this



This is the thread the brother is talking about.

https://www.nairaland.com/1579129/request-islamic-threads-frontpage

Unfortunately, most replies were lost during Nairaland tsunami.

Lol. What caused the so called tsunami?

I took a break from NL at the time and returned to hear there was a tsunami

alphaNomega:


Lol. What caused the so called tsunami?

I took a break from NL at the time and returned to hear there was a tsunami

Hackers. Nairaland lost a lot of data from the hack

whitelotus:



Hackers. Nairaland lost a lot of data from the hack

Oh
Nice

SlaveryWorks:


My question will be directed to whomever chooses to reply. If you don’t like it you’re free to make your own topics. Nobody is forcing you to reply to me.

Bro are you still here?

whitelotus:



I can see that you dont want to be honest.

Apparently, in your whole comment, it is clear you believe that muslims have never been the aggressors.

It is always atheists and other non muslims looking for trouble.


That kind of mindset is not only biased, it is also dangerous.


Goodbye

Journey mercy!

If you ask me, Udatso has ended it.
Just go over his words again and again, just maybe you will see the wisdom of Islam in his words.

whitelotus:


Lol.....you are asking your bros to run after accusing me of running!

Oga atheist, you met your waterloo in the hands of Udatso.

All these yeye laugh na to save face. Just go he has rubbished you and whatever you believe.

mhmsadyq:


Oga atheist, you met your waterloo in the hands of Udatso.

All these yeye laugh na to save face. Just go he has rubbished you and whatever you believe.

mhmsadyq:


Journey mercy!

If you ask me, Udatso has ended it.
Just go over his words again and again, just maybe you will see the wisdom of Islam in his words.

The same udatso that was acting ignorant about the whole issue? In fact, I went through his profile and I saw that he was at the forefront of the fight for this section. And he was playing as if he didnt know that the forum owner's life was threatened.


And do you think this thread has done any favours to muslims? Only islam has its own section. Is that not a show of intolerance to criticism?

Is islam the only religion that gets criticised?

Bala Mubarak's case is pending.


You sound like those ignorant Mohammed Hijab fans. They support whatever nonsense arguments he puts up

whitelotus:




The same udatso that was acting ignorant about the whole issue? In fact, I went through his profile and I saw that he was at the forefront of the fight for this section. And he was playing as if he didnt know that the forum owner's life was threatened.


And do you think this thread has done any favours to muslims? Only islam has its own section. Is that not a show of intolerance to criticism?

Is islam the only religion that gets criticised?

Bala Mubarak's case is pending.


You sound like those ignorant Mohammed Hijab fans. They support whatever nonsense arguments he puts up

Oga, you are just repeating your same rubbish udatso

whitelotus:




The same udatso that was acting ignorant about the whole issue? In fact, I went through his profile and I saw that he was at the forefront of the fight for this section. And he was playing as if he didnt know that the forum owner's life was threatened.


And do you think this thread has done any favours to muslims? Only islam has its own section. Is that not a show of intolerance to criticism?

Is islam the only religion that gets criticised?

Bala Mubarak's case is pending.


You sound like those ignorant Mohammed Hijab fans. They support whatever nonsense arguments he puts up

Oga, you are just repeating your same rubbish udatso had super intelligently corrected.

I thought Atheism was about thoughts, until you met a superior thought from a Muslim like udatso and yours collapsed like a pack of cards. You even seem to be a learner.

What I can only add to udatso's submission is: there can never be a meeting point between Islam and Atheism, never!

Incase you need further clarifications always refer to udatso's post, all the answers you seek are contained.

Take care.

mhmsadyq
Sometimes you wonder if they actually digest what is actually right in front of them. I asked him to bring proof of the threat to Se.un's life, he claimed it to be a common Knowledge. That India won Nigeria in a game their goalkeeper turned to lion is a common knowledge doesn't make it true.

It pains me when supposed reasonable adult men listen to market women gossip and act on them. Clearly he is pained because this section is not opened to them to insult us in the name of criticism as much as they would have wanted even though some of them still do.

I can't believe he is so obsessed with me that he had to go through my many years post to know my stand even though I spelt it out for him here already. I didn't even need to check his profile to know his type. We have faced them before and many more would come.

udatso:
mhmsadyq
Sometimes you wonder if they actually digest what is actually right in front of them. I asked him to bring proof of the threat to Se.un's life, he claimed it to be a common Knowledge. That India won Nigeria in a game their goalkeeper turned to lion is a common knowledge doesn't make it true.

It pains me when supposed reasonable adult men listen to market women gossip and act on them. Clearly he is pained because this section is not opened to them to insult us in the name of criticism as much as they would have wanted even though some of them still do.

I can't believe he is so obsessed with me that he had to go through my many years post to know my stand even though I spelt it out for him here already. I didn't even need to check his profile to know his type. We have faced them before and many more would come.

My brother, in their heads, they are the ones that have superior knowledge, therefore they alone can determine what is right and what's wrong.

You have left him with a deep cut in his heart, which he will nurse for a very long-time.

Your stand is the stand of a faithful. May Allah continue to strengthen you in faith and wisdom.

I look forward to reading more of your replies to the enemies of Islam.

mhmsadyq:


Oga, you are just repeating your same rubbish udatso had super intelligently corrected.

I thought Atheism was about thoughts, until you met a superior thought from a Muslim like udatso and yours collapsed like a pack of cards. You even seem to be a learner.

What I can only add to udatso's submission is: there can never be a meeting point between Islam and Atheism, never!

Incase you need further clarifications always refer to udatso's post, all the answers you seek are contained.

Take care.

Please, don't kill me with laughter. Stop being a bootlicker for Udatso.

You say that he destroyed my points but you cannot say how.

Even the very premise of this thread, none of you can answer- why is it that muslims need their own safe space on nairaland while other religions dont?

udatso:
mhmsadyq
Sometimes you wonder if they actually digest what is actually right in front of them. I asked him to bring proof of the threat to Se.un's life, he claimed it to be a common Knowledge. That India won Nigeria in a game their goalkeeper turned to lion is a common knowledge doesn't make it true.

It pains me when supposed reasonable adult men listen to market women gossip and act on them. Clearly he is pained because this section is not opened to them to insult us in the name of criticism as much as they would have wanted even though some of them still do.

I can't believe he is so obsessed with me that he had to go through my many years post to know my stand even though I spelt it out for him here already. I didn't even need to check his profile to know his type. We have faced them before and many more would come.

Wow....... see dishonesty in play.

You are asking me to bring proof of a specific event that happened in your presence? Why would I answer you? There was a post from a muslim right here on nairaland threatening Seun of physical if nothing was done about how muslims were treated. This all happened before the nairaland tsunami. I am not even sure that I can find that post.

You say you know my type but you couldnt be wrong. There are a million of you and very few of me. You are a typical religious nutjob, as plenty as the fish in the sea in Nigeria

mhmsadyq:


My brother, in their heads, they are the ones that have superior knowledge, therefore they alone can determine what is right and what's wrong.

You have left him with a deep cut in his heart, which he will nurse for a very long-time.

Your stand is the stand of a faithful. May Allah continue to strengthen you in faith and wisdom.

I look forward to reading more of your replies to the enemies of Islam.

Enemies of islam?