CodeTemplar:
Blood of APC! So your forefather who couldn't advance you technologically or discover crude oil for you is the one that died for you.

Same forefathers that will ask for pepper soup ingredient when cancer patient is brought to them is what you are backing.

Whatever you assume or concluded is primitive science, was actually the root of whatever you enjoy today as advance technology.

Did you see any of your ancestors doing those things you mentioned?

Because you were told that Mungo Park discovered the root of the Niger doesn't mean it's true.

Get Educated!

KingSatan:


Whatever you assume or concluded is primitive science, was actually the root of whatever you enjoy today as advance technology.

Did you see any of your ancestors doing those things you mentioned?

Because you were told that Mungo Park discovered the root of the Niger didn't mean it's true.

Get Educated!

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hoopernikao:
Sometimes we search for truth that is already with us. Freeze isn't searching for truth but for trending. I have no issue with that as that's his life. But using the bible or mis representing a translation to trend is a shallow one. He should fix his priority right.

Dude, I have no clue who Freeze is, or what he may have done in some past life or whatever. I just responded to the OP post here is all!

hoopernikao:
And with you, I asked, what is the mistake of king James, you haven't shown me.

1. Is using Lucifer a misplaced word in that verse or it means the same?

2. Is the meaning of Lucifer and Satanas same thing in Latin?

3. Did King James called Lucifer Satan?

As I already explained, I discovered the discrepancies in the King James translation of the Bible(I didn't even truly believe in the existence of God at the time)while researching magic, Satan and the Occult. I believe the truth needs to be sought after in a much similar fashion as I did, or else one becomes no different from the many religious goons out there in the world.
You have great questions, you know where to start looking, so get to it!

hoopernikao:
here did Freeze got it that king James is misleading people for using Lucifer, if not that he himself have been misled by myth of refering to Satan as angel Lucifer. He should get himself together and decide where he stands than misrepresenting the bible and God's people.

Again, I don't know anything about this man who calls himself freeze... so I can't even comment on this.

hmmm. Finally revealing his true colours. I only pity those who allow themselves to be swayed by all manner of doctrines. Goat wey wan free sheep.

Omoluabi16:
hmmm. Finally revealing his true colours. I only pity those who allow themselves to be swayed by all manner of doctrines. Goat wey wan free sheep.

It is obvious you are upset with the man(NB: I don't know any much about him except that he used to be a radio personality somewhere in Nigeria), but consider the content of his post, aside from his person. He is right and that many Christians don't even know this, leads me to wonder if even those who claim to be enlightened are in not in fact wading through the darkness still.

Kobojunkie:
It is obvious you are upset with the man(NB: I don't know any much about him except that he used to be a radio personality somewhere in Nigeria), but consider the content of his post, aside from his person. He is right and that many Christians don't even know this, leads me to wonder if even those who claim to be enlightened are in not in fact wading through the darkness still.

I will not consider the context of his post. He is free to interpret the scriptures in whatever way.

Omoluabi16:
I will not consider the context of his post. He is free to interpret the scriptures in whatever way.

But he did not interpret the scripture --- He simply pointed out what those who have in fact read the book as is would have seen.
For example, in Revelation 22 vs 16-17, we see Jesus announcing Himself as the Morning-star.

Revelation 22vs 16-17
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16. “I, Jesus, have sent my angel to testify to you about these things for the churches. I am the root and the descendant of David, the bright morning star.”

17. The Spirit and the Bride say, “Come.” And let the one who hears say, “Come.” And let the one who is thirsty come; let the one who desires take the water of life without price.

But wait, the name Lucifer also means morning star/bringer of light. See?

Kobojunkie:
I have seen the error and I know it came from King James and it appears an error in translation, but then who knows what was truly going through the mind of the king when the error was introduced -- it may have resulted from an error in interpretation.

I beg to differ, and think Freeze is very wrong (as much as I love what he does, which is, make people think by challenging their misconceptions).

As hoopernikao said "Interpreters and bible readers are the one who carried such meaning", but instead of blaming ourselves for the errors in our understanding, we pressume our understanding is perfect and it's the book that is in error.

You should try reading the Bible in the even worse translated Greek and Latin then see how far you got. Then imagine how little Bible knowledge we would have had if King James hadn't bothered to have it translated into English and mandated its reading in the English speaking world. We'd all have been reading a book in Arabic, I bet you, and understood even less.

The Bible is a rather big book and the KJV is difficult to understand. Many judge it and all other versions by what they are told instead of allowing the Holy Spirit and the brain in their heads to assist them in their own understanding.

That same KJV Freeze said promoted slavery is the same book some used to advocate the abolition of slavery and its now being read by both the one time enslaved and the former enslaver, and the enslavers have used it's principles to make their nation paradise just as the enslaved would, once we begin to fully understand what we read in it.

budaatum:

I beg to differ, and think Freeze is very wrong (as much as I love what he does, which is, make people think by challenging their misconceptions).

As hoopernikao said "Interpreters and bible readers are the one who carried such meaning", but instead of blaming ourselves for the errors in our understanding, we pressume our understanding is perfect and it's the book that is in error.

You should try reading the Bible in the even worse translated Greek and Latin then see how far you got. Then imagine how little Bible knowledge we would have had if King James hadn't bothered to have it translated into English and mandated its reading in the English speaking world. We'd all have been reading a book in Arabic, I bet you, and understood even less.

The Bible is a rather big book and the KJV is difficult to understand. Many judge it and all other versions by what they are told instead of allowing the Holy Spirit and the brain in their heads to assist them in their own understanding.

That same KJV Freeze said promoted slavery is the same book some used to advocate the abolition of slavery and its now being read by both the one time enslaved and the former enslaver, and the enslavers have used it's principles to make their nation paradise just as the enslaved would, once we begin to fully understand what we read in it.

What freeze said is right. The word LUCIFER should not have been introduced into the Bible by King James.

Isaiah 14 vs 12-15(KJV)
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12. How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning ! [how] art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
13. For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
14. I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
15. Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

WRONG!

The following is taken from King James' dissertation (Daemonologie) from back before he was crowned King, years before he commenced his project to translate the Bible for the Church of England.

Click to download Daemonologie here

Kobojunkie:
But he did not interpret the scripture --- He simply pointed out what those who have in fact read the book as is would have seen.
For example, in Revelation 22 vs 16-17, we see Jesus announcing Himself as the Morning-star.

But wait, the name Lucifer also means morning star/bringer of light. See?

You've chosen a very important verse. And what I'm about to write will sound like devil worship, and if you dare believe a single word I write here you will burn in the hottest part of hell with me!

Go back to Adam and Eve naked in the Garden of Eden. “Did God really say, ‘You must not eat from any tree in the garden’?” "And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil. We read in chapter 3.

Try abandoning all you've been told to believe. Shouldn't you wonder why a Lord God Almighty would want His creations to be ignorant and not know good and evil and be naked in the Garden of Eden? Does that not sound more like Adam and Eve were slaves, and what an evil person would do to them? Can ignorant people who do not know about good and evil do what God told Adam to do, which is "Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth"? Can ignorant people be blessed? In fact, is it not true that we often claim that our Northern brothers and sisters are kept ignorant just so their leaders can better exploit them? And why, for Christ sake, would a God who doesn't want its creations to know good and evil give its creations the ten commandments which is precisely a lesson in good and evil? Would the same Jesus who used his Knowledge of Good and Evil to conquer Satan when he was tempted on the mountain advocate that one should not eat of the Fruit of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil and remain ignorant and naked. Can ignorant people respond to Satan as he did?

You might note that the serpent did not lie, and Adam and Eve did not "surely die", and their eyes opened, though some would claim they did die despite going on to live for almost 800 years, we read, after expulsion from Eden. But of course, that's not what is taught. And God forbid that we refuse to believe what we are told to believe and assume Jesus the Morning Star and Bringer of Light and opener of the eyes of the blind taught exactly what the Serpent commonly known as Lucifer the Morning Star and Bringer of Light taught, thereby freeing us from our slave master which is blind ignorance and certain early death!

I'm claiming the Fruit of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil is not so much the Bible itself, but a proper understanding of the Bible, hence, "the fruit" and not just "the tree". But if Satan can meddle in the Garden of Eden, it can meddle in how scripture is understood and even in how it's been interpreted. It sure is devilish to merely believe as Satan is said to believe and tremble instead of seeking to understand. Thankfully, the Bible is just the tree. And one must cultivate trees to get fruits from it.

But as I said, you will join me in the hottest part of hell if you believe a single word I've written here instead of seeking understanding. For it is indeed written that "people die because they lack knowledge". And believing does not mean one has knowledge, as we find when we go to school.

Kobojunkie:
What freeze said is right. The word LUCIFER should not have been introduced into the Bible by King James.

Perhaps. But there it is for us to understand in such a way that God is glorified by our doing, notwithstanding.

And God continue to bless Daddy Freeze and the dead King James for making us think.

budaatum:

You've chosen a very important verse. And what I'm about to write will sound like devil worship, and if you dare believe a single word I write here you will burn in the hottest part of hell with me!

Go back to Adam and Eve naked in the Garden of Eden. “Did God really say, ‘You must not eat from any tree in the garden’?” "And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil. We read in chapter 3.

Try abandoning all you've been told to believe. Shouldn't you wonder why a Lord God Almighty would want His creations to be ignorant and not know good and evil and be naked in the Garden of Eden? Does that not sound more like Adam and Eve were slaves, and what an evil person would do to them? Can ignorant people who do not know about good and evil do what God told Adam to do, which is "Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth"? Can ignorant people be blessed? In fact, is it not true that we often claim that our Northern brothers and sisters are kept ignorant just so their leaders can better exploit them? And why, for Christ sake, would a God who doesn't want its creations to know good and evil give its creations the ten commandments which is precisely a lesson in good and evil? Would the same Jesus who used his Knowledge of Good and Evil to conquer Satan when he was tempted on the mountain advocate that one should not eat of the Fruit of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil and remain ignorant and naked. Can ignorant people respond to Satan as he did?

You might note that the serpent did not lie, and Adam and Eve did not "surely die", and their eyes opened, though some would claim they did die despite going on to live for almost 800 years, we read, after expulsion from Eden. But of course, that's not what is taught. And God forbid that we refuse to believe what we are told to believe and assume Jesus the Morning Star and Bringer of Light and opener of the eyes of the blind taught exactly what the Serpent commonly known as Lucifer the Morning Star and Bringer of Light taught, thereby freeing us from our slave master which is blind ignorance and certain early death!

I'm claiming the Fruit of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil is not so much the Bible itself, but a proper understanding of the Bible, hence, "the fruit" and not just "the tree". But if Satan can meddle in the Garden of Eden, it can meddle in how scripture is understood and even in how it's been interpreted. It sure is devilish to merely believe as Satan is said to believe and tremble instead of seeking to understand. Thankfully, the Bible is just the tree. And one must cultivate trees to get fruits from it.

But as I said, you will join me in the hottest part of hell if you believe a single word I've written here instead of seeking understanding. For it is indeed written that "people die because they lack knowledge". And believing does not mean one has knowledge, as we find when we go to school.

Oh, I am sorry but I have already been booked for the Kingdom of God... I heard my invitation announced loud and clear by the Almighty Himself back when I was first turned. I am already a part of it, and sorry, no chance of ever joining up in hell with you! ROFLMAO!

budaatum:
Perhaps. But there it is for us to understand in such a way that God is glorified by our doing, notwithstanding.
And God continue to bless Daddy Freeze and the dead King James for making us think.

Is the Daddy Freeze dude even a Christian? And blessing, sure the occult world has been thoroughly blessed by King James' contributions as well.

Seems something is obvious and accepted by many.

Lucifer = morning star

The Babylonian king was referenced as morning star or Lucifer in Isaiah 14:12

Jesus referred to himself as the bright morning star in revelations 22:16

Peter was wishing the morning star rises in the hearts of believers in 2peter 1:19

Logically, since peter would not wish the devil in the hearts of believers or Jesus equating himself as the devil, logic tends to say that the belief that the word Lucifer means the devil is a misinterpretation.

Seems d.freeze has a point here.

Any contrary or adjoining opinions can be laid out logically as done.

Freeze needs to stop killing them with history, nigerian Christian's don't read like that

budaatum:

I beg to differ, and think Freeze is very wrong (as much as I love what he does, which is, make people think by challenging their misconceptions).

As hoopernikao said "Interpreters and bible readers are the one who carried such meaning", but instead of blaming ourselves for the errors in our understanding, we pressume our understanding is perfect and it's the book that is in error.

You should try reading the Bible in the even worse translated Greek and Latin then see how far you got. Then imagine how little Bible knowledge we would have had if King James hadn't bothered to have it translated into English and mandated its reading in the English speaking world. We'd all have been reading a book in Arabic, I bet you, and understood even less.

The Bible is a rather big book and the KJV is difficult to understand. Many judge it and all other versions by what they are told instead of allowing the Holy Spirit and the brain in their heads to assist them in their own understanding.

That same KJV Freeze said promoted slavery is the same book some used to advocate the abolition of slavery and its now being read by both the one time enslaved and the former enslaver, and the enslavers have used it's principles to make their nation paradise just as the enslaved would, once we begin to fully understand what we read in it.

since have been reading your message on nl, this is the first time you've said what impress me. Am happy this morning

First and foremost.. The original old testament was written in Hebrew.. So the big question should be what is a Latin word doing in a Hebrew scripture?.. Latin will not be spoken until like 300-500 years later.. Somebody definitely is trying to mislead.. And I think they got away with it..

I just took time now to read the whole of Isaiah 14 from an English version, translated directly from Hebrew..

Well does with proper understanding and learning will know that Isaiah is talking about a certain kind of Babylon (some say nebuchadnezzar) but he is describing this king using the morning star.....

Any body who is has done a sincere comparative study will know that the morning star is referring to the planet Venus.. So by simple inspection Venus had to be a "she".. A goddess so to speak..

She is recognized as Venus is Roman, Ishtar in sumerian, Inanna in Babylonian, Aphrodite in Greek,... And believe it or not Mary the mother of Jesus in Christianity.. She is the morning star and light bearer (lucifer)..

I am yet to come across any tale that says she is evil, I wonder where people got that idea from.

She is the goddess of death, and love, wisdom, lust.... ., She belongs to the constellation of Virgo, her symbols are the snake and lion..

She is the Olosho in the book of revelation riding a bull(Satan, her grand father Enlil)..
Only those with spiritual enlightenment can discern the messages.. It is quite interesting..

WHY IS THIS DADDY FREEZE BLAMING KING JAMES?

Isaiah 14:16(kjv) They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the MAN that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms

King James uses the word MAN here and not Satan, perhaps it was people who misinterpreted this scripture to mean Satan.

delkuf:
since have been reading your message on nl, this is the first time you've said what impress me. Am happy this morning

I should try to impress you more, though I'm rather surprised you understood what I wrote.

Let me know where I haven't impressed you at all. It would be interesting if nothing else.

Kobojunkie:

Is the Daddy Freeze dude even a Christian? And blessing, sure the occult world has been thoroughly blessed by King James' contributions as well.

You can blame King James for the KJV's contribution to the occult! Long before the Bible, satan believed. And no one has yet has blamed God for satan's existence.

As to Daddy Freeze being a Christian, What is a Christian?

1Sharon:
Freeze needs to stop killing them with history, nigerian Christian's don't read like that

Well, we better start! Or we shall continue in our ignorance of worshipping satan while thinking we worship God despite our continued fruitlessness.

Kobojunkie:
The following is taken from King James' dissertation (Daemonologie) from back before he was crowned King, years before he commenced his project to translate the Bible for the Church of England.

Click to download Daemonologie here

The english is difficult to even read self..mehn.

1Sharon:
Freeze needs to stop killing them with history, nigerian Christian's don't read like that

hahaha. I think we need to hire naira marley to do the job. They'd believe- im very sure!

Kobojunkie:
Dude, I have no clue who Freeze is, or what he may have done in some past life or whatever. I just responded to the OP post here is all!

As I already explained, I discovered the discrepancies in the King James translation of the Bible(I didn't even truly believe in the existence of God at the time)while researching magic, Satan and the Occult. I believe the truth needs to be sought after in a much similar fashion as I did, or else one becomes no different from the many religious goons out there in the world.
You have great questions, you know where to start looking, so get to it!
Again, I don't know anything about this man who calls himself freeze... so I can't even comment on this.

Well, i stay with the scriptures not magic book. And the scriptures are clear on this matter.

1Sharon:
Freeze needs to stop killing them with history, nigerian Christian's don't read like that

Seriously? How many of them "nigerian Christian's" do you know?

kkins25:

The english is difficult to even read self..mehn.

That was the English language from the 1600s. It can be frustrating at first but the longer you try to make sense of it, the easier it gets.

hoopernikao:
Well, i stay with the scriptures not magic book. And the scriptures are clear on this matter.

The "magic" book referred to, Demonologie, was written by the very same man who translated and gave you your King James Bible -- King James himself.
Obviously the scripture was not clear on this matter or you would not have missed it!
If you are one of those who think the Bible holy, then I understand why you would, but be sure that many in the occult scene, and the world at large, are aware of this translation error, others

hoopernikao:


Seriously? How many of them "nigerian Christian's" do you know?

Too many

1Sharon:


Too many

Many is different from what you said? It is always good to speak in context. If you can be exact with your many, fine, if not then say "many" and avoid generalisation.

hoopernikao:


Many is different from what you said? It is always good to speak in context. If you can be exact with your many, fine, if not then say "many" and avoid generalisation.

We all generalise including you.