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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by pacretus(m): 7:58pm On Jun 02, 2020
rvp2018:
The Nigeria Militia - are not a modern army. First show me their MILITARY INTELLIGENCE? You cannot win a war by just sending 100K troops with guns! That kind of brute forces is cannon fodder for modern weapons.

They seriously need to invest in Counter-Terrorism Intelligence. If it mean torturing the Boko Harams - torture them until they reveal everything - if it means paying them pay them.

Kenya intelligence (NIS) alone budget is 200M dollars - that Entire GHANA military budget.

And we still have Military Intelligence.

The modern war is won through BRAINS - and that is why KDF insist on training it's force - and having them acquire military degrees.

oh really shocked so The Nigeria military has been fighting BHT without good intelligence gathering hahaha grin grin grin

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by jl115: 7:58pm On Jun 02, 2020
Danielnino00:
Despite all the noise about budget and training,the Kenyan military isn't even among the top 10 in Africa..

gfp is a bunch of B.s mate!! wink
The actual rankings would actually look like this:
1.Egypt
2.Algeria
3.South Africa
4.Morocco
5.Nigeria
6.Angola
7.Ethiopia
8.Kenya

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by pacretus(m): 7:59pm On Jun 02, 2020
rvp20182:
IActually you're a bad example..our CIA like budget is bigger than most countries militaries and the budget is for about 500 unarmed civilians.Nigeria really need to invest in such...Our intelligence use to be best in Africa but I bet now they are untouchable..they know what you are for lunch and with who.That how countries like US wins war
best in Africa... grin grin grin

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Kuruptnigga: 10:12pm On Jun 02, 2020
1. Family worship wuye, Abuja
2. Ultra central market wuye, Abuja
3&4 wuse, Abuja

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Kuruptnigga: 10:40pm On Jun 02, 2020
Abuja

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Just30: 11:49pm On Jun 02, 2020
You rant a lot for a nothing burger


Your CIA is nothing compare to Ghana secret intelligence agency let alone Ghana BNI which is the known part (civilian part) of Ghana secret intelligence agency.
ie: Secret Police

They have an entire black budget
rvp20182:
IActually you're a bad example..our CIA like budget is bigger than most countries militaries and the budget is for about 500 unarmed civilians.Nigeria really need to invest in such...Our intelligence use to be best in Africa but I bet now they are untouchable..they know what you are for lunch and with who.That how countries like US wins war

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Danielnino00(m): 12:12am On Jun 03, 2020
Baliv254:


that will not be the first time somalis tried that sh*t, go read about the shifta war when somali govt tried to sponsor an insurgency in kenya, they got thoroughly whooped and abandoned by somalia , the somali govt had to sign a peace treaty to stop the brutal kenyan forces

this is not the first time Kenya has dealt with insurgencies, they have been many, read about the Sabaot Land defence Force, the Mombasa Republican Council and the Mungiki menace, all quashed and so will alshabaab.



The bottom line is that you can't pull your troops out of Somali because Al Shabab and a bunch of Somali nutjobs are a threat to your country,isn't so?

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Danielnino00(m): 12:13am On Jun 03, 2020
jl115:
gfp is a bunch of B.s mate!! wink
The actual rankings would actually look like this:
1.Egypt
2.Algeria
3.South Africa
4.Morocco
5.Nigeria
6.Angola
7.Ethiopia
8.Kenya

And this ranking is according to which source ??

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Danielnino00(m): 12:14am On Jun 03, 2020
Kuruptnigga:
Abuja

The best planned city in Africa grin

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Kuruptnigga: 1:12am On Jun 03, 2020
gallivant:


Post also amotekun.
Funny pig grin

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by jl115: 2:44am On Jun 03, 2020
Danielnino00:


And this ranking is according to which source ??
According to simple logic

go look at Morocco's army, Navy and Air force.

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by davefurn: 2:51am On Jun 03, 2020
jl115:
According to simple logic

go look at Morocco's army, Navy and Air force.
Arabs and buying military weapons anyhow.....most of their Budgets is on military weaponry grin grin grin........

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by pacretus(m): 3:35am On Jun 03, 2020
jl115:
According to simple logic

go look at Morocco's army, Navy and Air force.
bro I have told you time and again... Morocco isn't South Africas mate.. Don't deceive yourself bro.. bigger than the whole of sa please don't bring link ZA that bull crap doesn't shoot gun or missile. Next time you put SA above Morocco, I'll disgrace you with raw pics side by side SA weapons...

#knowyourmate grin grin grin

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Danielnino00(m): 3:37am On Jun 03, 2020
jl115:
According to simple logic

go look at Morocco's army, Navy and Air force.

What kind of logic ??

Global fire power is the most reliable ranking site out there..

Your logic is irrelevant in this context...

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nobody: 6:16am On Jun 03, 2020
jl115:
Photoshop!!! Kenya does not have any Mi28s

lol, its photoshop now!! post the original image to back up your claim.

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nobody: 7:07am On Jun 03, 2020
gallivant:


Just post Amotekun, please.

lol, nice one. sounds like one of queen Nefertiti's units.
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Dlonra(m): 7:21am On Jun 03, 2020
samorobo:



I swearvyou have such a caveman mentality..so a SAns was in Kenya and all of a sudden that makes Kenya better..I think I have gotten a clear view of how shallow minded you are...so once you see a citizen from another country in your own country it's means your country his better...merely watching the video I could tell that Nairobi and Kenya is a village compared to SA and Nigeria...

Caveman..

Kenya isn't as developed as SA. But its better than Nigeria. It's also better for a black to do business and live in Kenya than SA. I can bring tans of Vlogs and experiences of Nigerians who've actually been here.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8b6idRe0Ws
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp2018: 7:30am On Jun 03, 2020
Your total budget is security budget is 100m dollars. . Ministry of National Security (GH¢555 million).
Just30:
You rant a lot for a nothing burger


Your CIA is nothing compare to Ghana secret intelligence agency let alone Ghana BNI which is the known part (civilian part) of Ghana secret intelligence agency.
ie: Secret Police

They have an entire black budget

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nobody: 7:48am On Jun 03, 2020
Danielnino00:


The bottom line is that you can't pull your troops out of Somali because Al Shabab and a bunch of Somali nutjobs are a threat to your country,isn't so?
Kenya is already planning to withdraw from somalia slowly from 2021 after creating a buffer state friendly to kenya

You're simply trying to divert attention from the fact that nigeria has home grown terrorists controling parts of its territory like somalia, a failed state
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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by vaxx: 8:01am On Jun 03, 2020
rvp2018:
Your total budget is security budget is 100m dollars. . Ministry of National Security (GH¢555 million).
you are an idiot, there is black budget in Ghana security apparatus. As just30 said , Ghana security system is probably one of the best in Africa if not the best hence our peaceful co existence despite being Surrounded by terrorised countries. Most of what you read are mainly for salary and consumable expenses. What goes into actual funding and running of this business remain unknown to common Ghanaian. Security system is not an open system like financial service.

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by jl115: 8:22am On Jun 03, 2020
pacretus:
bro I have told you time and again... Morocco isn't South Africas mate.. Don't deceive yourself bro.. bigger than the whole of sa please don't bring link ZA that bull crap doesn't shoot gun or missile. Next time you put SA above Morocco, I'll disgrace you with raw pics side by side SA weapons...

#knowyourmate grin grin grin
Let's compare shall we:

Navy

Combatants:

-Frigates: SA 4 / Morocco 3
-Corvettes: SA 0 / Morocco 4
-Missile boats: SA 3 / Morocco 4
-Subs: SA 3 / Morocco 0

Close but due to SA has subs, which is a massive force multiplier

Airforce

-Fighter and Attack aircraft : SA 26 Gripen, 24 BAE hawk / Morroco 23 X F16 Block 52, 9 X Mirage F1(same platform was retired by SAAF in 1992 due to obsolescence), 26 X F5E(even older than the Mirage F1), 22 X Alpha jet(mostly retired around the world due to obsolescence)

-Dedicated Attack helicopters: SA 12 / Morroco 0

-Special mission aircraft: SA 7 / Morocco 6
-Total transport aircraft: SA 34 / Morocco 33
-Total transport helicopters: SA 79 / Morocco 69
-Training aircraft: SA 56 / Morocco 28

SA has more modern Attack Aircraft 50 to 23 however Morocco has more Attack aircraft in total 80 to 50

SA has more transport + special mission aircraft 41 to 39, SA has more AHs 12 to 0.....Morocco has however expressed interest in buying 24 apache... But as of yet do not operate the platform.

SA has more helicopters 79 to 69 and more training aircraft 56 to 28.

Very difficult to choose, The Moroccan airforce has more attack craft, but SAAF has more modern attack craft, in terms of transport aircraft its close however The RMA has 14 C130 to 8 thus advantage RMA, in terms of helicopters SAAF has the clear advantage with more transport and Attack helicopters..... To close to call between the 2.

Army

-Tanks: SA 195 Olifant mk1b+2 / Morocco 222 M1a1, 48 T72, 54 VT1a.... Several hundred 1st gen tanks that were recently retired.

-IFVs : SA 1200 Ratel /110 AIFV, 60 Ratel, 395 X VAB vci/vtt

-AFVs: SA 178 X Rooikat / Morocco 180 X Amx10 , 175 X AML60/90 (retired by the SA army due to obsolescence, replaced by the Ratel 90 and Rooikat), 20 X ERC 90

-Tank Destroyers: SA 52 Ratel ZT3 / Morocco 23 m901A1.

-Hand held Anti tank missiles: SA several hundred, assortment of Denel FT5, Milan ER and Ingwe ZT3 / Morocco several hundred, assortment of Russian, US, Euro and Chinese systems.

-APCs: SA 440 X Mamba, 370 X Casspir / Morocco assortment of APC(mostly secondhand) numbering around 950 in total in service

-SPH: SA 43 X G6(still the longest firing 155mm SPH in the world), 6 X T5-52 / Morocco undisclosed amount of 2S19 155mm(most likely a single battery for evaluation), 127 X M109s 155mm (mostly donated), 90 X Mk f3 155mm(very obsolete, mostly retired by most armies), 60 X m110 203mm( obsolete, retired by most armies)

-Towed howitzers: SA 72 X G5 155mm(one of the longest firing towed 155mm in the world), 32 X M71 155mm, / Morocco 30 X FH-70 155mm, 35 X M198 155mm, 20 X M114 155mm(ww2 era obsolete) , 30 X 118 105mm, 18 X M101 105mm(very obsolete, retired by the SA army after ww2), 18 X m-46 130mm(vert obsolete, retired by the SA army back in the 70s)

-Multiple Rocket launchers: SA 50 X 127mm / Morocco 35 X 122mm, 12 X 300mm

-AA guns towed + SP: SA several hundreds of 35,23 and 14.5mm / Morocco several hundreds of 23,20,14.5mm

-SAMs : SA 178 X Starstreak manport/vehicle mounted systems(very Short range), several Umkhonto gbads systems(short - medium range) / Morocco 36 X MiM 72(very obsolete, retired by the US 23 years ago) 12 X tungusta M

SA has never placed a huge emphasis on tanks due to the superior preformance of wheeled vehicles on the open, hard and dusty surfaces of SSA, hence The Moroccan army has a clear advantage in the Tank department...... As for the rest the SA army has a clear advantage in terms of quality of its systems and in some cases even in quantity.

Other huge advantages that the SANDF has includes the most extensive radar coverage in Africa, some of the best Communication systems in the world exp: Chaka C2, Impi Bluefor tracker, new generation tactical communication system from Reutech SA, the biggest defense industry in Africa, thee most sustainable defence force in Africa.......... Oh and most importantly our biggest weapon and the one you hate so much LinkZA.... Which btw does fire missile and guns!! With LinkZA different platforms can fire each others weapons for exp a Rooivalk or even a Valour class frigate can designate a target for a Gripen fighter even though it might be out of sight of the Gripen, it means our generals have a full real time map of the battle field 100% of the time, it means our Artillery can hit moving targets, the fact that our Radar systems are linked with LinkZA means our Gripen and Hawk can fly with their radar completely turned, making them dam near invisible to enemy aircraft.

What I will note is Both Morocco and SA have several systems that have either been ordered and not received yet as well as systems that both countries have interests in for future acquisitions, thus I've only included systems that a confirmed to be in service with these nations.

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by jl115: 8:25am On Jun 03, 2020
TayserMahri:


lol, its photoshop now!! post the original image to back up your claim.
As i did with @gallivant I'm giving you a chance to leave with your dignity in place........ wink

And yes I do have the original photo!!
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by jl115: 8:27am On Jun 03, 2020
Danielnino00:


What kind of logic ??

Global fire power is the most reliable ranking site out there..

Your logic is irrelevant in this context...
@pacretus what do you think of your colleague's statement grin grin grin grin

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Kazikazi: 8:45am On Jun 03, 2020
Tanzania

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by vaxx: 8:48am On Jun 03, 2020
Danielnino00:


What kind of logic ??

Global fire power is the most reliable ranking site out there..

Your logic is irrelevant in this context...
Global fire power only account for the number of arsenal in a country possession with the number of personnel therein. The web is not taking in the account of training, toughness and desiccation that goes into the profession. For example, the British, india or Germany millitary are obviously the most efficient millitary In the world yet America is rated above them. When will all know that America millitary are over pampered.
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Kazikazi: 8:51am On Jun 03, 2020
Air Tanzania

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by samorobo: 9:08am On Jun 03, 2020
rvp2018:
Heck Kenya spend nearly 400M dollars annually on our intelligence. This different from KDF. or our police force.

The spy agency- National Intelligence Service (NIS)- got Sh37.7 billion with Sh26.9 billion allocated to the Prisons Department.

NIS for example has maybe 500 or less WORK FORCE. And we are spending 400M dollars on it.

YOU WIN MODERN WAR THROUGH INTELLIGENCE - NOT WEAPONS. Kenya spy agency was not allowed to have even a pistol - until a year ago - but they do very many damage - because they know nearly everything going on in Kenya and the region.


NIS officer in kenya are very well paid - I think most start from 1,500usd - but majority earn better than private sector. These people don't have weapons - but they know everything - about everything going on . If Boko Haram were here - they would inflitrate and know everything before it happen - and all KDF would do is fly their planes - and kill them.

Lol this is so funny most especially the last part. grin grin grin

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by samorobo: 9:11am On Jun 03, 2020
rvp2018:
why is UN still feeding Nigerians in tents in North East. Nearly every day - Boko Haram are killing Nigeria. I think on 20th May they killed 20.

Please stop this nonsense about a powerful black nation. It is VERY INSULTING.

You shame every black person by failing to use oil and by acting like an animal zoo. You're like Liberia or Haiti - that racist America use to show just how incompetent a black person is.


It's the truth, so listen..we can't stop telling you that even though we know that you are fully aware..

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by samorobo: 9:19am On Jun 03, 2020
Kuruptnigga:
1. Family worship wuye, Abuja
2. Ultra central market wuye, Abuja
3&4 wuse, Abuja

See what a market should look like..

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp2018: 9:38am On Jun 03, 2020
I think you misunderstand how security budget work. At least in most countries - the total budget is known - the breakdown is what is hidden. For example in Kenya we know what military, intelligence, police, prisons, internal security will spend - total budget is about 3B dollars - but the breakdown is secret - although parliament still get to see general breakdown.
vaxx:
you are an idiot, there is black budget in Ghana security apparatus. As just30 said , Ghana security system is probably one of the best in Africa if not the best hence our peaceful co existence despite being Surrounded by terrorised countries. Most of what you read are mainly for salary and consumable expenses. What goes into actual funding and running of this business remain unknown to common Ghanaian. Security system is not an open system like financial service.

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Kazikazi: 9:51am On Jun 03, 2020
Zanzibar, Tanzania

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by leo552: 9:53am On Jun 03, 2020
Baliv254:
kdf
Amphibious landing,another first for kdf.no african military has done it in a war.

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