Rozz:
I didn't know about JW trying to control what you read about them.I only kind of reason with them over the Trinity issue

@ 1Thessalonians 5:21

Apostle Paul is talking to you now Rozz!

Test all these religions presenting themselves as Christians before you and hold fast to what is BENEFITIAL in the midst of mankind in general!

So in this case please check the outcome of their TRINITY teachings, remember they're hiding their Churches because they know there is nothing to write home about their religions. Then compare with what you've seen and heard about Jehovah's Witnesses Organization. Afterwards judge in your own mind which one is the TRUTH!

rottennaija:

what is this organisation? Is it Jehovah? Jesus? The angels? The bible? The Christian congregation? What?

See what their own watchtower says in the picture below.
That is why when I directed you to www.jwfacts.com the other day to read an article about their 1914 doctrine, Janosky jumped out, instructing you not to read it, that it is poison and insidious.

Imagine telling an adult that a material is poison and insidious. Should that conclusion not be left for you to make?

Like I said, it is not just about jw's. No religion should control what it's members can read and what they can't.
By the way it is only by reading different viewpoints that one can reach sound conclusions that is truly theirs.

Thank you.

achorladey:


That one will cite Bible verse and refuse to quote it. I DON'T know the reason behind that. He will rather agree Jesus is a LIAR than accept He(Maximus69)is a LIAR in order to DEFEND the ORGANIZATION he belongs.

Just prove me wrong by telling everyone on this thread how sane people recognise the insanes, if not by sensing them talking against every profitable and benefitial setting without pointing to what should be a better solution?

Rozz:
I didn't know about JW trying to control what you read about them.I only kind of reason with them over the Trinity issue

"False religious propaganda from any source should be avoided like poison! Really, since our Lord has used "the faithful and discreet slave" to convey to us "sayings of everlasting life," why should we ever want to look anywhere else?" Watchtower 1987 Nov 1 p.20



"We must also be on guard against extended association with worldly people. Perhaps it is a neighbor, a school friend, a workmate, or a business associate. We may reason, 'He respects the Witnesses, he leads a clean life, and we do talk about the truth occasionally.' Yet, the experience of others proves that in time we may even find ourselves preferring such worldly company to that of a spiritual brother or sister. What are some of the dangers of such a friendship?" Watchtower 1994 Feb 15 p.24

Timalt:


See what their own watchtower says in the picture below.
That is why when I directed you to www.jwfacts.com the other day to read an article about their 1914 doctrine, Janosky jumped out, instructing you not to read it, that it is poison and insidious.

Imagine telling an adult that a material is poison and insidious. Should that conclusion not be left for you to make?

Like I said, it is not just about jw's. No religion should control what it's members can read and what they can't.
By the way it is only by reading different viewpoints that one can reach sound conclusions that is truly theirs.

Thank you.

Na wah o!

Paul said Satan has blinded some people so that the gospel about the Christ won't make sense to them! 2Corinthians 4:4

The same Paul said even if another person or himself or an angel (from heaven) should teach anything contrary to what his listeners have learnt, such a person or spirit be accursed! Galatians 1:8

Balance view: there are teachings that's benefitial but Satan doesn't want people to grasp it, and Satan is teaching what's of no practical benefits. So it's left for each person to decide on his/her own!

No wahala!

achorladey:


"False religious propaganda from any source should be avoided like poison! Really, since our Lord has used "the faithful and discreet slave" to convey to us "sayings of everlasting life," why should we ever want to look anywhere else?" Watchtower 1987 Nov 1 p.20



"We must also be on guard against extended association with worldly people. Perhaps it is a neighbor, a school friend, a workmate, or a business associate. We may reason, 'He respects the Witnesses, he leads a clean life, and we do talk about the truth occasionally.' Yet, the experience of others proves that in time we may even find ourselves preferring such worldly company to that of a spiritual brother or sister. What are some of the dangers of such a friendship?" Watchtower 1994 Feb 15 p.24

we all have our points but may the real truth find each and everyone of us

Maximus69:



Paul reporting to the Apostles in Jerusalem!

@Act 9:27
Barnabas presented Paul to the Apostles so that they could approve him as one of the preachers and teachers of the gospel, explaining to them how Jesus had dealt with Paul!

@Act 15:2
Arguments erupted amongst the Jewish Christians and Gentile Christians whether it was compulsory for everyone to be Circumcised, so because Paul and Barnabas also were confused on the issue, the first century Christians sent both Paul and Barnabas with some others to go and confirm what the Apostles and elders in Jerusalem will conclude whatever the Apostles say over this matter will be final {Matthew 16:19} neither Paul nor Barnabas has a say again on the matter!

@16:4 Paul continue his missionary journey and as he goes is declaring the order of the Apostles in Jerusalem on the issue of Faith, so that all those seeing Paul could understand that there is a group that's responsible for whatever Paul teaches them!

So according to these verses, does it seem that Paul was an independent preacher or he had the body he must report to?

What kind of twisting of scripture is this?

This is sad and shameful. So you have no scripture to support your lie that Paul kept reporting to Jerusalem. I fear who no fear you.

Please everyone should open and read.

Acts 15: 1 - 41

The verses shows clearly that some men from judea came to the gentile nations and told them that they must be circumcised.

Pay attention. The men were from Judea.

Paul and Barnabas disputed with these men. It was for this reason that Paul and Barnabas went to the region were these brothers came from Judea - Jerusalem to settle this dispute not because he usually reports to them. That lie is disgusting.
And like I have said earlier which is in accord with the Bible, the apostles were taking the foremost lead at the time.

And BTW What exactly does the passage at chapter 15 say? Does it use the term "governing body"? Does it say the apostles alone were involved in this doctrinal decision? Not at all.

Acts 15:22,23 "Then the apostles and the elders, together with the whole congregation, decided to send chosen men from among them to Antioch, along with Paul and Barnabas; they sent Judas who was called Barsabbas and Silas, who were leading men among the brothers. They wrote this and sent it through them:"

Decision making was not vested in a small group of leaders.[ Rather the congregation, including the apostles, elders, Paul and Barnabas all were involved in coming to agreement on the issue and composing the letter to distribute their findings. A small, controlling group of leaders did not have total power over the early Christian Congregation's.

It was a collective decision reached by the apostles, the elders and the congregations.

Kai. You fall hand. I was hoping to see you back up the lie where you said Paul kept reporting to them in Jerusalem.

You could not produce even one scripture not to talk of 3.
In Acts 16, Paul and Barnabas shared the decision of the apostles the elders and the congregation with the gentile Christians and all were happy to hear that no yoke was placed on them. Circumcision on uncircumcision continued to be a personal issue.

See the bogus lie I busted
You can't even produce 3 verses to prove Paul kept reporting to a supposed Jeruselem authority.

I thought you even had Bible knowledge, you fall hand big time.

achorladey:


"False religious propaganda from any source should be avoided like poison! Really, since our Lord has used "the faithful and discreet slave" to convey to us "sayings of everlasting life," why should we ever want to look anywhere else?" Watchtower 1987 Nov 1 p.20



"We must also be on guard against extended association with worldly people. Perhaps it is a neighbor, a school friend, a workmate, or a business associate. We may reason, 'He respects the Witnesses, he leads a clean life, and we do talk about the truth occasionally.' Yet, the experience of others proves that in time we may even find ourselves preferring such worldly company to that of a spiritual brother or sister. What are some of the dangers of such a friendship?" Watchtower 1994 Feb 15 p.24

Hen nah!

Rozz is comparing your TRINITY doctrine and Jehovah's Witnesses One God, she's trying to figure out the differences and how it's benefitting adherents from both side.

Jehovah's Witnesses are saying "if you've found the truth here, don't listen to noisy rivers, just cross over them and continue your journey to Paradise"

Pastors in churches are telling their members "don't listen to Jehovah's Witnesses"

My guy nah the same arrangement, you're to choose where to pitch your tent Sir!

Rozz:
we all have our points but may the real truth find each and everyone of us

QED. I agree. Amen. End of matter.

Timalt:


What kind of twisting of scripture is this?

This is sad and shameful. So you have no scripture to support your lie that Paul kept reporting to Jerusalem. I fear who no fear you.

Please everyone should open and read.

Acts 15: 1 - 41

The verses shows clearly that some men from judea came to the gentile nations and told them that they must be circumcised.

Pay attention. The men were from Judea.

Paul and Barnabas disputed with these men. It was for this reason that Paul and Barnabas went to the region were these brothers came from Judea - Jerusalem to settle this dispute not because he usually reports to them. That lie is disgusting.
And like I have said earlier which is in accord with the Bible, the apostles were taking the foremost lead at the time.

And BTW What exactly does the passage at chapter 15 say? Does it use the term "governing body"? Does it say the apostles alone were involved in this doctrinal decision? Not at all.

Acts 15:22,23 "Then the apostles and the elders, together with the whole congregation, decided to send chosen men from among them to Antioch, along with Paul and Barnabas; they sent Judas who was called Barsabbas and Silas, who were leading men among the brothers. They wrote this and sent it through them:"

Decision making was not vested in a small group of leaders.[ Rather the congregation, including the apostles, elders, Paul and Barnabas all were involved in coming to agreement on the issue and composing the letter to distribute their findings. A small, controlling group of leaders did not have total power over the early Christian Congregation's.

It was a collective decision reached by the apostles, the elders and the congregations.

Kai. You fall hand. I was hoping to see you back up the lie where you said Paul kept reporting to them in Jerusalem.

You could not produce even one scripture not to talk of 3.
In Acts 16, Paul and Barnabas shared the decision of the apostles the elders and the congregation with the gentile Christians and all were happy to hear that no yoke was placed on them. Circumcision on uncircumcision continued to be a personal issue.

See the bogus lie I busted
You can't even produce 3 verses to prove Paul kept reporting to a supposed Jeruselem authority.

I thought you even had Bible knowledge, you fall hand big time.

Short and simple answer!

Paul and Barnabas were sent to go and confirm what the Apostles will conclude on the matter

Abeg why going to Jerusalem?

Why not decide there like your churches of today that's not orderly or well organized?

Maximus69:


Na wah o!

Paul said Satan has blinded some people so that the gospel about the Christ won't make sense to them! 2Corinthians 4:4

The same Paul said even if another person or himself or an angel (from heaven) should teach anything contrary to what his listeners have learnt, such a person or spirit be accursed! Galatians 1:8

Balance view: there are teachings that's benefitial but Satan doesn't want people to grasp it, and Satan is teaching what's of no practical benefits. So it's left for each person to decide on his/her own!

No wahala!

See how porous your argument is.

Mormons are telling their members the same thing too. If according to you, only your religion has the truth, how will Mormons ever find out since they already believe that only they have the truth?
And vice versa.

And according to the scripture you quoted, how would you know something is contrary to what is true except you examine it yourself?

Use your critical thinking skills before you just blurt out things na.

You can only know what is true and what is false when you examine both sides of an argument.

Every adult with even basic secondary school education knows that you must listen to more than one source to draw conclusions.

Any story sounds true until someone tells the other side and sets the record straight." - (Proverbs 18:17)

Seriously the way you reason matters sometimes dey fall hand.

Maximus69:


Short and simple answer!

Paul and Barnabas were sent to go and confirm what the Apostles will conclude on the matter

Abeg why going to Jerusalem?

Why not decide there like your churches of today that's not orderly or well organized?

Because the trouble makers came from Jerusalem. So they had to go there to resolve it.

Geeez am I speaking Latin? Na wa o.

Rozz:
we all have our points but may the real truth find each and everyone of us

That's the point!

Jesus (truth) has dispatched his WITNESSES to search for his father's sheep! Matthew 10:6

So wait Rozz and see how the truth (Jesus) will locate his sheep, whether it's the sheep that will be searching for Jesus or its Jesus and his co-workers that are searching for his father's sheep!

Maximus69:


Just prove me wrong by telling everyone on this thread how sane people recognise the insanes, if not by sensing them talking against every profitable and benefitial setting without pointing to what should be the solution?

Prove you wrong about WHAT? You always say by their FRUITS by their FRUITS yet I am seeing INSANE people's brain should be checked blah blah blah.

That people believed TRINITY is that the REASON they are BAD or GOOD. That the people believed in the ORGANIZATION is that the REASON they are good or bad?


That people believed the TRINITY does that mean THEY CAN NEVER do good things in this LIFE.

That people believed in the ORGANIZATION does that mean THEY ARE THE ONLY ONE doing GOOD in this LIFE?

Even ATHEIST do far reaching THINGS that are beneficial to people in life. Because they are ATHEIST can we say what they DID is bad? After all you often say the platform is for ATHEIST and condemns it But you want to make people understand the JWs equally through the same platform.

Do you have a FORUM like this on the jworg website. Do your organization support any forum of this nature. Does your ORGANIZATION expect you to be here. It will be difficult considering they can't face the BARAGE of those they TAG apostates that will BESIEGED it with numerous QUESTIONS that they are not OPEN MINDED enough to answer.

You say TRINITY is man made CONSTRUCT but you don't agree having faith in a VISIBLE organization is a man made CONSTRUCT.

And you are still looking for a better GROUP. Where did Jesus say look for a better GROUP to gain EVERLASTING LIFE?

And you don't remember the fact that its same I BELONGS TO APOLLOS, I belong to PAUL, I belong to CEPHAS caused all these katakata. Belonging to a GROUP mentality that was warned AGAINST.

Maximus69:


That's the point!

Jesus (truth) has dispatched his WITNESSES to search for his father's sheep! Matthew 10:6

So wait Rozz and see how the truth (Jesus) will locate his sheep, whether it's the sheep that will be searching for Jesus or its Jesus and his co-workers that are searching for his father's sheep!

lol

Maximus69:


Hen nah!

Rozz is comparing your TRINITY doctrine and Jehovah's Witnesses One God, she's trying to figure out the differences and how it's benefitting adherents from both side.

Jehovah's Witnesses are saying "if you've found the truth here, don't listen to noisy rivers, just cross over them and continue your journey to Paradise"

Pastors in churches are telling their members "don't listen to Jehovah's Witnesses"

My guy nah the same arrangement, you're to choose where to pitch your tent Sir!

Good for you and keep it noted. So when you go about your usual saying that they are FALSE WORSHIPPERS or False RELIGION and they in turn return the GESTURE don't feel bitter about it or RUN to YOUR usual(Which group is performing better than JWs). Kajiko?

Timalt:

Because the trouble makers came from Jerusalem. So they had to go there to resolve it.

Geeez am I speaking Latin? Na wa o.

Na GBERU GBESO. Problem happen inside the room of GB wey dey live for JERUSALEM na person wey dey ANTIOCH in SYRIA come find SOLUTION about am. It says a lot about the GB in Jerusalem.

Timalt:

Because the trouble makers came from Jerusalem. So they had to go there to resolve it.

Geeez am I speaking Latin? Na wa o.

Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

There are no trouble makers amongst the first century Christians Sir!

Remember Christians were vilified back then in the first century so how can people who weren't regarded by their own people think of causing any trouble?

On the contrary it was Jewish Christians that were insisting that fellow Christian from other nations must be circumcised, that's why Paul and Barnabas were sent to go and listen to what the Apostles in Jerusalem will decide! Act 15:1-5

The Apostles and elders in Jerusalem gathered to discuss on the matter! Act 15:6

They concluded it's not necessary and set just few compulsory rules for all the Christians! Act 15:28-29

Paul and Barnabas began traveling to all the places where Christians do their meetings to tell them the outcome of the matter! Act 16:4

You think say you wan know pass Jehovah's Witnesses for inside our book?

Abeg go sidon!

achorladey:




Good for you and keep it noted. So when you go about your usual saying that they are FALSE WORSHIPPERS or False RELIGION and they in turn return the GESTURE don't feel bitter about it or RUN to YOUR usual(Which group is performing better than JWs). Kajiko?

My guy if they don't gather as a group to practice what they believe, how can anyone say the worship is false or not?

So it's still about the group that's practicing pure worship Sir!

achorladey:




Good for you and keep it noted. So when you go about your usual saying that they are FALSE WORSHIPPERS or False RELIGION and they in turn return the GESTURE don't feel bitter about it or RUN to YOUR usual(Which group is performing better than JWs). Kajiko?

Hahaha. Na Hausa you speak for am so ba?

Their pride and arrogance is just pharasaical. With heavy chips on their shoulders. It doesnt allow them to see clearly.

Imagine him saying they won't listen to others because it's noisy waters, but others should listen to them. That is just sickening and hypocritical.

I don't blame Maximus69, he still has a Muslims mindset. A mindset of Holy ones vs Infidels.
That is why his rhetorics are extremely fanatical. Someone who would never open his heart to logic and reason. When a person feels he has the truth already, how then can you teach him? It will only take God's grace for that to happen.

He moved from one extreme religion to another extreme religion. One commits suicide as martyrdom one dies from refusing blood transfusion even when it's the last resort and considers it faithfulness to Jehovah.

The problem is that they don't take the things they dish. They Said they won't listen to yours, but you have to listen to theirs. The kind of circular reasoning needed to digest this is mind blowing.

Rozz:
lol

Rottennaija said i should ask Jesus (the same Jesus who was so restless in searching for his father's sheep) to come into my life, as if Jesus doesn't know his work! John 4:34

Maximus69:


Rottennaija said i should ask Jesus (the same Jesus who was so restless in searching for his father's sheep) to come into my life, as if Jesus doesn't know his work! John 4:34

He seems to have back off lol.

Timalt:

Hahaha. Na Hausa you speak for am so ba?

Their pride and arrogance is just pharasaical. With heavy chips on their shoulders. It doesnt allow them to see clearly.

Imagine him saying they won't listen to others because it's noisy waters, but others should listen to them. That is just sickening and hypocritical.

I don't blame Maximus69, he still has a Muslims mindset. A mindset of Holy ones vs Infidels.
That is why his rhetorics are extremely fanatical. Someone who would never open his heart to logic and reason. When a person feels he has the truth already, how then can you teach him? It will only take God's grace for that to happen.

He moved from one extreme religion to another extreme religion. One commits suicide as martyrdom one dies from refusing blood transfusion even when it's the last resort and considers it faithfulness to Jehovah.

The problem is that they don't take the things they dish. They Said they won't listen to yours, but you have to listen to theirs. The kind of circular reasoning needed to digest this is mind blowing.

Just explain what Jesus meant when he told his close confidants not to listen to the teachings of the Pharisees and Saddusees. Period! Matthew 16:5-12

Rozz:
He seems to have back off lol.

Jesus has given us the spiritual armor to fight against them! Ephesians 6:14-17

So they will continue to find out that they've got nothing as in NOTHING to say against God's people! Isaiah 54:17

Maximus69:


Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

There are no trouble makers amongst the first century Christians Sir!

Remember Christians were vilified back then in the first century so how can people who weren't regarded by their own people think of causing any trouble?

On the contrary it was Jewish Christians that were insisting that fellow Christian from other nations must be circumcised, that's why Paul and Barnabas were sent to go and listen to what the Apostles in Jerusalem will decide! Act 15:1-5

The Apostles and elders in Jerusalem gathered to discuss on the matter! Act 15:6

They concluded it's not necessary and set just few compulsory rules for all the Christians! Act 15:28-29

Paul and Barnabas began traveling to all the places where Christians do their meetings to tell them the outcome of the matter! Act 16:4

You think say you wan know pass Jehovah's Witnesses for inside our book?

Abeg go sidon!

I have told you repeatedly, you are a small boy in your organization before.

Now let me humble you again. Since you run your mouth like tap

First, a person causing quarrel, dissension or trouble is a trouble maker. That is exactly what the men from Judea did.

Now watch the screenshot below to see what different translations say.

Your large mouth will not allow you stop and think before you type

You said there were no troublemakers. Let me bring you down from your high horse.

1 Corinthians 1:10 - 12 - I appeal to you, brothers, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree together, so that there may be no divisions among you and that you may be united in mind and conviction. My brothers, some from Chloe’s household have informed me that there are quarrels among you. What I mean is this: Individuals among you are saying, “I follow Paul,” “I follow Apollos,” “I follow Cephas,”a or “I follow Christ.

Paul said there were quarrels among them.

Aswear if to say you be small pikin I for knock you as I dey burst your ignorance

Lol. When you join Jehovah witness wey you dey form knowledge? You don even read insight on the scriptures book volume 1 & 2?
When I tell you say you be small boy for jehovah's witness, make you dey believe me.

The people from Jerusalem caused trouble so they were troublemakers. Common English. Paul and Barnabas went to meet the brothers who where in Jerusalem to clarify the issue. And it was clarified. Remember that I have said from the first post that the apostles took the foremost lead. But there was no governing body. This was a one time council. I asked you to show us 3 times Paul reported to Jerusalem like you claimed, you failed. Apart from this case which required they go to Jerusalem, there was none.

Maximus69:


Just explain what Jesus meant when he told his close confidants not to listen to the teachings of the Pharisees and Saddusees. Period! Matthew 16:5-12

Jesus said his disciples should watch out for the Teachings of the Pharisees.

Since your organization has the holier than thou attitude of the pharisees, people should watch out for your teachings.

Rozz:
we all have our points but may the real truth find each and everyone of us

Watchtower 1955
A Christian . . . cannot be baptized in the name of the one actually doing the immersing or in the name of any man, nor in the name of any organization, but in the name of the Father, the Son and the holy spirit. This shows, among other things, that Christianity is not a denominational affair

The above from the JWs organization but that no longer holds today. The reason for Open-mindedness. Any christian denominations doing baptism in their name(e.g Catholic, Anglican e.t.c) during this time this particular Magazine was published by the JWs, There is 100% certainty JWs will call it FALSE ORGANIZATION or FASLE CHRISTIAN DENOMINATIONS because Christianity is no a DENOMINATIONAL AFFAIR and their voice then is the VOICE of GOD. Show them this today and you hear the LIGHTS get brighter palaver, Jehovah's organization is moving blah blah blah.

Then the below

The notable thing about Christianity, however, is precisely the fact that service to God is so vastly broader, so all-pervasive, not limited to activities performed in certain buildings or in prescribed forms, affecting only part of one’s life.

As you continue your quest to seek the TRUTH which I believed you found already since you are in Christ. Strive to follow his footsteps that's what every Christian do on daily basis.

You might want to do a research on what SACRED SERVICE mean as related to the scripture.

Revelation 19:10 At that I fell down before his feet to worship him. But he tells me: Be careful! Do not do that! I am only a fellow slave of you and of your brothers who have the work of witnessing concerning JESUS! For the witness concerning Jesus is what INSPIRES prophecy.

1 John 5:13......I write you these things so that you may know that you have life everlasting, YOU WHO PUT FAITH in the name of the Son of God.

Timalt:

Jesus said his disciples should watch out for the Teachings of the Pharisees.

Since your organization has the holier than thou attitude of the pharisees, people should watch out for your teachings.

Q.E.D after all there is no better performing group according to Mr I AM THROUGH WITH YOU.

achorladey:


Q.E.D after all there is no better performing group according to Mr I AM THROUGH WITH YOU.

Yes o. I doubt that the guy has a job though
He's always online jumping from thread to thread like a motorpark tout picking arguments with people.

The two questions I ask am about about
1. Providing evidence they were chosen in 1919
2. How can it be said the gathering of those with an earthly hope started in 1935 if as they now teach, the heavenly choosing is still open and not closed?

Those two rocked him bad

I feel that with people like this we just leave them with socratic questions and allow them use their sense if they have any.

Gotta work. See you around bro.

Maximus69:


My guy if they don't gather as a group to practice what they believe, how can anyone say the worship is false or not?

So it's still about the group that's practicing pure worship Sir!

Is it when one gather as a GROUP you know worship that is TRUE or FALSE?

You even understand the concept of WORSHIP or sacred service at ALL? Can you WORSHIP God at your work place? How do you worship GOD at your work place? Let's see if you understand what worship means.

Sister Rozz,that pic on your profile eh,is it a dummy or your...

Timalt:

Jesus said his disciples should watch out for the Teachings of the Pharisees.

Since your organization has the holier than thou attitude of the pharisees, people should watch out for your teachings.

Your 100% correct and they should all watchout for the BENEFIT as well!