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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Neimar: 5:46pm On May 28
Rozz:
When it comes to religious matters we have to use our heads sometimes.Trinity, in Christian doctrine is the unity of the father ,son and holy spirit as three persons in one Godhead. The doctrine of the Trinity is considered to be one of central christian affirmations about God. It is rooted in the fact that God came to meet christians in a threefold figure as (1) There creator,Lord,Father and judge as revealed in the old testament (2)as the lord who incarnated in figure of Jesus Christ who lived among human beings (3)As the holy spirit whom they experienced as the helper or intercessor in the power of new life.But neither the word Trinity nor the explicit doctrine appears in the New Testament.Did Jesus and his followers intend to contradict the Shema in the Hebrew scriptures(Deutronomy 6:4).I have started asking my pastors some questions regarding that,but he only warned me to be very careful of JW. lol

How sweet is ya pussy?
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by achorladey: 6:46pm On May 28
Peacefullove:


Job 42:7 is there for you . anyone that believe lies about God has his wrath upon him. So either trinity is true or its false. It has consequence.

At Rozz

See Job 42:7 and why you should research well on Trinity.

God " said to Eliphaz the Temanite: "I am ANGRY with you and your two friends, FOR YOU HAVE NOT SPOKEN THE TRUTH ABOUT ME , as my servant Job has. "

According to this Mumu at acholardey, it doesnt matter what you believe. God is not angry.


Grand master of MUMU DETECTORS you have catapulted yourself here.

Looking at the Job 42:7 I believe the LIE ELIPHAZ told job was TRINITY. grin grin grin

And look at how you represented me..........according to you....... it does matter what YOU BELIEVE. God is not ANGRY

Perhaps part of what I believe is people should kill one another indiscriminately God will not be ANGRY. grin grin grin shocked cool cool cool cool

Grand master of MUMUS detector na him we know you for now.
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by achorladey: 7:14pm On May 28
Janosky:


Nobody confined God into any box.

Be humble to ACKNOWLEDGE AND ACCEPT the Truth Jesus Christ revealed about himself and his God and Father in heaven even though you have no comprehensive record of everything he did in heaven and earth.
The DISCLOSURE Jesus Christ made in the physical realm and the spiritual realm is SUFFICIENT FOR YOU.

John 15:15. John 7:16, It is what his God and Father taught and sent Jesus to teach.

(Matthew 16:13-17. Revelations 1:1,4-6. 3:5,12.
John 20:17,30-31).

Any ADDITION CONTRARY to what Jesus Christ himself said amounts to GIBBERISH, man made FRAUD popularly called Trinity.


Janosky: even though you have no comprehensive record of everything he did in heaven and earth.

Achorladey: Do you have COMPREHENSIVE RECORD of everything he DID in HEAVEN and on EARTH?

That someone don't have comprehensive record of what Jesus did in HEAVEN or EARTH is that a criteria to BELIEVE or NOT to BELIEVE TRINITY?

You that don't believe in TRINITY do you agree that the BIBLE talks about the father, son and the holy spirit?

Those that do believe in TRINITY do you you agree they know the Bible talks about the father, son, holy spirit.

Janosky: Any ADDITION CONTRARY to what Jesus Christ himself said amounts to GIBBERISH, man made FRAUD popularly called Trinity.

Achorladey: Any ADDITION CONTRARY to what Jesus christ himself said amounts to GIBBERISH, man made FRAUD popularly called "PUT FAITH in a VISIBLE ORGANIZATION"

We see easily the back of the head of other people na others dey see our own. I have equally shown you how that ORGANIZATION concept relate to the TRINITY palaver. You will look elsewhere on that.

The spirit that will keep fostering is up there in the previous post. TRINITY has been on nairaland for ages. This thread will close another will open and we go still see you there. Yet you go on every thread that it's DEAD and BURIED. How many times will TRINITY DIE. As it seems TRINITY has UNENDING RESURRECTION from ages past beginning from the fourth century A.D

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by achorladey: 7:34pm On May 28
Peacefullove:


Lie against him the repercussions are there.

For who to ask , Check your Bible at 2Tim 3 vs 16,17

"All Scripture is inspired by God and is profitable for teaching, for rebuking, for correcting, for training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work."

That book will help correct any Lie.

That same book made us know the Almighty never has someone above him. But we can't say same for Jesus. He has a God , Your God is your superior. Its clear we have one supreme being who has no one above him . the Father.


Peacefullove: For who to ask , Check your Bible at 2Tim 3 vs 16,17

Achorladey: and in the Bible we have the BELOW


James 1:5,6 ....If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask GOD, who gives GENEROUSLY TO ALL without reproach, and it will be given him. 6 But let him ask in faith, with no doubting, for the one who doubts is like a wave of the sea that is driven and tossed by the wind.
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Peacefullove: 9:59pm On May 28
achorladey:


Grand master of MUMU DETECTORS you have catapulted yourself here.

Looking at the Job 42:7 I believe the LIE ELIPHAZ told job was TRINITY. grin grin grin

And look at how you represented me..........according to you....... it does matter what YOU BELIEVE. God is not ANGRY

Perhaps part of what I believe is people should kill one another indiscriminately God will not be ANGRY. grin grin grin shocked cool cool cool cool

Grand master of MUMUS detector na him we know you for now.

Job 42:7 is clear enough , he dislike lies about him.

Go ask the beroans why they confirm what they learned. God is angry when you dont say the truth about him. Trinity is an UNTRUTH against God himself.

cc : Rozz

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by hoopernikao: 9:59pm On May 28
Janosky:


No DECEIVE yourself.
Luke 9:30-35 Read, Study and RECEIVE SENSE, Yahweh Himself Says Trinitarian TWIST of John 1:1,14 is a FRAUD.

The popular English version of John 1:1 IS VERY DIFFERENT from the koine Greek language of John 1:1. The Word was facing towards the God and the Word was divine (Greek Theos= a god/God).
The Word is Theos, A god= divine.
Bros,John1:1, John 17:3 says Jesus is NOT the True God,his Father.


Colossians 1:19, it PLEASES the Father, Yahweh TO GIVE divine quality (nature) to His Son.

Mr Janosky

This is where I always have issue with some of you. You can't continue doing this when you have been corrected many times and you saw it yourself. It will amount to manipulation of the scriptures. I have shown you here many times and you have seen it that usage of theos in John 1:1 or any verse is not a reason to say it means a god. It is context and interpretation that will determine that. We have had this discussion severally here. I likewise pointed you to one of your organization post on their website that also corrected you but you kept holding the wrong meaning.

You can go ahead defending your doctrine but ensure you use words and scriptures within their meaning and context. This is how you can present yourself truthfully.

Theos is the main Greek name for God (the supreme being) and it can be used to mean any god. Every other word for God in Greek based on Theos such as Theon, Theous etc are inflexions of the main word Theos based on the grammar usage not meaning usage.

So you can use any other thing to explain but pointing to John 1:1 that because Theos was used then it means a god, will be a deliberate error of interpretation.

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Peacefullove: 10:01pm On May 28
achorladey:



Peacefullove: For who to ask , Check your Bible at 2Tim 3 vs 16,17

Achorladey: and in the Bible we have the BELOW


James 1:5,6 ....If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask GOD, who gives GENEROUSLY TO ALL without reproach, and it will be given him. 6 But let him ask in faith, with no doubting, for the one who doubts is like a wave of the sea that is driven and tossed by the wind.





Since you have asked God for wisdom, is the trinity truth about God ?

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by achorladey: 10:05pm On May 28
Peacefullove:


Since you have asked God for wisdom, is the trinity truth about God ?


You still dey ASK MUMU QUESTION and MUMU don't have SENSE to ANSWER QUESTION?

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Peacefullove: 10:09pm On May 28
hoopernikao:


Mr Janosky

This is where I always have issue with some of you. You can't continue doing this when you have been corrected many times and you saw it yourself. It will amount to manipulation of the scriptures. I have shown you here many times and you have seen it that usage of theos in John 1:1 or any verse is not a reason to say it means a god. It is context and interpretation that will determine that. We have had this discussion severally here. I likewise pointed you to one of your organization post on their website that also corrected you but you kept holding the wrong meaning.

You can go ahead defending your doctrine but ensure you use words and scriptures within their meaning and context. This is how you can present yourself truthfully.

Theos is the main Greek name for God (the supreme being) and it can be used to mean any god. Every other word for God in Greek based on Theos such as Theon, Theous etc are inflexions of the main word Theos based on the grammar usage not meaning usage.

So you can use any other thing to explain but pointing to John 1:1 that because Theos was used then it means a god, will be a deliberate error of interpretation.

Theos can be translated as " a god", Yes ?

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Peacefullove: 10:15pm On May 28
achorladey:



You still dey ASK MUMU QUESTION and MUMU don't have SENSE to ANSWER QUESTION?

I agree with the bold. Thanks for your time.
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by achorladey: 10:19pm On May 28
Peacefullove:


I agree with the bold. Thanks for your time.

Noted grin grin grin what one do or say in life CARRIES its OWN CONSEQUENCE
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by olamy7(m): 1:27am On May 29
Janosky:


No DECEIVE yourself.
Luke 9:30-35 Read, Study and RECEIVE SENSE, Yahweh Himself Says Trinitarian TWIST of John 1:1,14 is a FRAUD.

The popular English version of John 1:1 IS VERY DIFFERENT from the koine Greek language of John 1:1. The Word was facing towards the God and the Word was divine (Greek Theos= a god/God).
The Word is Theos, A god= divine.
Bros,John1:1, John 17:3 says Jesus is NOT the True God,his Father.


Colossians 1:19, it PLEASES the Father, Yahweh TO GIVE divine quality (nature) to His Son.
well, I think it takes much conviction to believe this, it is obvious you are just reading Bible like a plain text and not like a word with much clarity.

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by ojuu4u(m): 4:03am On May 29
Rozz:
When it comes to religious matters we have to use our heads sometimes.Trinity, in Christian doctrine is the unity of the father ,son and holy spirit as three persons in one Godhead. The doctrine of the Trinity is considered to be one of central christian affirmations about God. It is rooted in the fact that God came to meet christians in a threefold figure as (1) There creator,Lord,Father and judge as revealed in the old testament (2)as the lord who incarnated in figure of Jesus Christ who lived among human beings (3)As the holy spirit whom they experienced as the helper or intercessor in the power of new life.But neither the word Trinity nor the explicit doctrine appears in the New Testament.Did Jesus and his followers intend to contradict the Shema in the Hebrew scriptures(Deutronomy 6:4).I have started asking my pastors some questions regarding that,but he only warned me to be very careful of JW. lol

I am person who teaches people about bible, trinity inclusive, but am not totally convinced about the whole concept of Trinity, its very very difficult to teach and more difficult to defend when one meets opponent who is sound biblically.

Adeboye, his wife and any of his personal assistant maybe talking about one thing, having same mission, united to achieve one purpose, we can say they are one (on purpose), but they are also complete different personalities.

Judging by the Bible, we see it in so many verses in Bible which made us to knw that God is one and not "three in one", if you read your Bible very well, God the father is farrrrrrrrrr more powerful that any being, Bible says noooooo one can see God. How many eyes that saw Jesus? Several !

Can Bible contradict itself? Capital NO.

One person asked question on radio one day, ...." The day that Jesus was crucified, who was in charge of heaven and universe"? The moderator couldn't find satisfactory answer to the question.

In the Bible as well, Jesus himself said it severally that he is answerable to someone who is by far superior to him, ....then on few occasions he said they are one....... I interpret that (oneness) to same "purposes and mission " and not same 'personality'

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Kobojunkie: 4:14am On May 29
ojuu4u:
Can Bible contradict itself? Capital NO.
Yes it can! When you are dealing with the accounts of men, you can and do run into somewhat contradictory statements.
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by ojuu4u(m): 4:23am On May 29
Kobojunkie:

Yes it can! When you are dealing with the accounts of men, you can and do run into somewhat contradictory statements.

Its contradictory in eyes because the perspective you read it. A fault finder must sure bring out fault on any issue ask him to contribute .
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Kobojunkie: 4:42am On May 29
ojuu4u:
Its contradictory in eyes because the perspective you read it. A fault finder must sure bring out fault on any issue ask him to contribute .
Eyes see contradictory accounts... what can perspective do when I was not an eye witness?

The book you call the Bible was not written by the hands of God. It was written by men like you and I. Sure, they were inspired, in much the same way that God inspires all that is knowledge in the world today(good and bad) since there is only one Spirit of inspiration.

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by ojuu4u(m): 6:46am On May 29
Kobojunkie:
Eyes see contradictory accounts... what can perspective do when I was not an eye witness?

The book you call the Bible was not written by the hands of God. It was written by men like you and I. Sure, they were inspired, in much the same way that God inspires all that is knowledge in the world today(good and bad) since there is only one Spirit of inspiration.

That's ur perspective, we have diverse spirits of inspirations and that's reasons we aspire to do diverse kinds of innovations, for the Bible, God inspired diverse personalities and they all wrote Bible towards same goal. If you knw how to read BTW the lines and without being prejudice, you will accept that bible not contradicting.
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Kobojunkie: 6:54am On May 29
ojuu4u:
That's ur perspective, we have diverse spirits of inspirations and that's reasons we aspire to do diverse kinds of innovations, for the Bible, God inspired diverse personalities and they all wrote Bible towards same goal. If you knw how to read BTW the lines and without being prejudice, you will accept that bible not contradicting.

Wrong.. It is the same Spirit of God that was in Paul, in Peter, in Jesus, in John, that lives in all who are Born again today. So if you want to pretend that the Same Spirit of Truth will tell one person one story and tell another a different story entirely, then I say be careful. Remember what happened with Ananias and Saphira
There is one way to read the Bible and that is as it is written. If you want to add to, or remove from the meaning as it is given, that is all you. Please do not blame that on the Spirit of God. For you see, He is the Spirit of Truth and truth cannot have MULTIPLE meanings.

The Bible contains stories written and translated by men, many of them fallen. So how can you then convince yourself that the entire book is therefore true? You say it is inspired by God, right? Well, every work of man is inspired, after all there is only one Spirit of Inspiration. So that can't be it. The book itself is not what Jesus told you is the truth. No, what Jesus told you is the Truth is HIMSELF, the word of God.

...Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that comes out of the mouth of God....
... The word of God is truth and how do you find the word of God in the Bible? Well, some start something like .... "The Lord said", "I the Lord your God".... "And God said to His servant {name}", ... "Jesus said".... you get the gist? Apparently the reason why it seems God goes on and on about Himself , whenever He speaks, in the many bible stories is so you can be sure not to miss His truth. That is the word of God... the truth you see in that book.

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Myer: 7:48am On May 29
MuttleyLaff:
"But when the Father sends the Advocate as my representative
—that is, the Holy Spirit—He will teach you everything and will remind you of everything I have told you.
"
- John 14:26

"When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all truth.
He will not speak on his own but will tell you what he has heard.
He will tell you about the future.
"
- John 16:13

God, is not a God of confusion and the scripture doesn't have inconsistencies and contradictions. You are right, one requires the Spirit of Truth who guides believers in all truths.


@bolded You know that gets my attention.

There was a time I believed this too. Until I realized that there is so much confusion in the boby of Christ, all from the same bible.

Notice how the Spirit of Truth seems to have revealed conflicting revelations to you all even on this topic on this thread?

Truly, there are portions of the bible to support the concept of Trinity.

Conversely, there are portions of the bible against the concept of Trinity.

Ergo, who is responsible for this confusion?

The men who translated it or the author, God who inspired it?

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 8:14am On May 29
Myer:


@bolded You know that gets my attention.

There was a time I believed this too. Until I realized that there is so much confusion in the boby of Christ, all from the same bible.

Notice how the Spirit of Truth seems to have revealed conflicting revelations to you all even on this topic on this thread?

Truly, there are portions of the bible to support the concept of Trinity.

Conversely, there are portions of the bible against the concept of Trinity.

Ergo, who is responsible for this confusion?

The men who translated it or the author, God who inspired it?
Exactly,theres always a verse for backups.Confusion everywhere

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Myer: 8:15am On May 29
Maximus69:


Hmmmmmmmm Paradise is not that far but there are many rivers to cross!

So despite the way i've treated you this lady with so much contempt, you still feel the need to learn more about us!

Well let me start from where the river could be deeper.

You must be prepared to change friends because friendship with the world is enmity with God! Romans 8:7; James 4:4

You must be willing to see things from the viewpoint of God NOT the way the world view it! Isaiah 55:8-9

Your dressing and grooming have nothing as in NOTHING to do with your faith but because of unbelievers whose minds has been filled with manmade doctrines, you have to consider them by dressing in a way that will not stumble them. You don't need all those protocols in your home with your husband! 1Peter 3:1-6

Think more of how to help them as you would have loved to be helped, ask yourself "if a woman is dressed like this how many people will give her a listening ear even though she has the message of hope to give them? Matthew 22:39

If you're in your own home with your man or you're in the midst of fellow believers only, nobody looks at you lustfully {Matthew 5:28} but that's not the case in the midst of unbelievers or when an unbeliever is around!

So it takes great courage to wave goodbye to the world and it's ways! 1John 2:15-17

God bless you!

That was fast.

She's not even agreed to be a Jehovah's Witness and you're already attacking her dressing even though you've never even met her

You see why I keep saying JW is more of a Jewish organization than a Christian organization. Don't do this, Don't eat that, etc.

I actually tried to join JW once cos I was intrigued by your publications and had one of you as a colleague.
I was shocked by the observations I made. I went for one of your gatherings a couple of times and they mentioned that men aren't even allowed to wear jeans. I was like how now
And please why is it that no one even drinks the Holy Communion?

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 8:23am On May 29
Myer:


That was fast.

She's not even agreed to be a Jehovah's Witness and you're already attacking her dressing even though you've never even met her

You see why I keep saying JW is more of a Jewish organization than a Christian organization. Don't do this, Don't eat that, etc.

I actually tried to join JW once cos I was intrigued by your publications and had one of you as a colleague.
I was shocked by the observations I made. I went for one of your gatherings a couple of times and they mentioned that men aren't even allowed to wear jeans. I was like how now
And please why is it that no even drinks the Holy Communion?
You are so on point,there's this thing about JW and the way they condemn people. Did Jesus ever condemn anyone? no.They treat people with disdain and highly unfriendly.
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Myer: 8:31am On May 29
hoopernikao:


Mr Janosky

This is where I always have issue with some of you. You can't continue doing this when you have been corrected many times and you saw it yourself. It will amount to manipulation of the scriptures. I have shown you here many times and you have seen it that usage of theos in John 1:1 or any verse is not a reason to say it means a god. It is context and interpretation that will determine that. We have had this discussion severally here. I likewise pointed you to one of your organization post on their website that also corrected you but you kept holding the wrong meaning.

You can go ahead defending your doctrine but ensure you use words and scriptures within their meaning and context. This is how you can present yourself truthfully.

Theos is the main Greek name for God (the supreme being) and it can be used to mean any god. Every other word for God in Greek based on Theos such as Theon, Theous etc are inflexions of the main word Theos based on the grammar usage not meaning usage.

So you can use any other thing to explain but pointing to John 1:1 that because Theos was used then it means a god, will be a deliberate error of interpretation.

My friend, trying to impose your own interpretation as always.

You can share your opinion/assertion but try not to impose it. You've made your point.

I do enjoy reading your views even though we hardly agree. lol

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Myer: 8:38am On May 29
Rozz:
You are so on point,there's this thing about JW and the way they condemn people. Did Jesus ever condemn anyone? no.They treat people with disdain and highly unfriendly.

True. I honestly love reading their publications but the organization itself is something else.
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 8:46am On May 29
Myer:


True. I honestly love reading their publications but the organization itself is something else.
i love them as well but something is just not right with them.I watched one video sometimes ago where a pregnant woman was abandoned to die because the husband refused blood transfusion for her as it's against their doctrine,i cried so much watching that video.Till now I have not gotten any tangible reasons from any JW why they adopt such cruelty even at the point of death.

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Myer: 8:54am On May 29
Rozz:
i love them as well but something is just not right with them.I watched one video sometimes ago where a pregnant woman was abandoned to die because the husband refused blood transfusion for her as it's against their doctrine,i cried so much watching that video.Till now I have not gotten any tangible reasons from any JW why they adopt such cruelty even at the point of death.

Yea, they'll rather watch their wives die than accept blood transfusion. The worst part is they don't even believe in miracles for them to even heal the poor lady. So that's a lose-lose situation for them.

Even the bible says don't be too religious.

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 8:59am On May 29
Myer:


Yea, they'll rather watch their wives die than accept blood transfusion. The worst part is they don't even believe in miracles for them to even heal the poor lady. So that's a lose-lose situation for them.

Even the bible says don't be too religious.

So sad,i wonder if there are bibble verses supporting their refusal for blood transfusion.

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 9:01am On May 29
Rozz:
When it comes to religious matters we have to use our heads sometimes.Trinity, in Christian doctrine is the unity of the father ,son and holy spirit as three persons in one Godhead. The doctrine of the Trinity is considered to be one of central christian affirmations about God. It is rooted in the fact that God came to meet christians in a threefold figure as (1) There creator,Lord,Father and judge as revealed in the old testament (2)as the lord who incarnated in figure of Jesus Christ who lived among human beings (3)As the holy spirit whom they experienced as the helper or intercessor in the power of new life.But neither the word Trinity nor the explicit doctrine appears in the New Testament.Did Jesus and his followers intend to contradict the Shema in the Hebrew scriptures(Deutronomy 6:4).I have started asking my pastors some questions regarding that,but he only warned me to be very careful of JW. lol

Well, The mystery of trinity cannot be explained with human terms. You will try in vain to demystify it by human bankrupt words.

One thing you must have in mind when you engage God is that God is Spirit.
The word trinity is not in the bible. Okay?

That said, Jesus said, "The Father and I are one" confirming that he was a different person from the Father. But He said also said that they are one meaning that they have the same essence and the same life.

The life that flows in the Father also flows in the son. However they do not think different. There id perfect harmony in between the father, word and Spirit so much so that they have no secrets, no personal intentions, and no disagreement. It is the most perfect harmony in creation and outside of creation. This is why the bible says the Spirit searcheth the deep things of God. The thoughts are the same.
Jesus also said, "He who has seen me has seen the Father" meaning there is no difference between them.

It is more deeper than this though so what I explained is more like a grain of sand in the whole of the universe. But it is atleast a foundation to understand this mystery that even islam cannot comprehend.

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Myer: 9:15am On May 29
Rozz:
So sad,i wonder if there are bibble verses supporting their refusal for blood transfusion.

Of course there's always a verse.lol But the interpretation of it is where the contention usually is.

In old testament. Leviticus 17:11-12
For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.
Therefore I said unto the children of Israel, No soul of you shall eat blood, neither shall any stranger that sojourneth among you eat blood.

New testament Acts 15:29
That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

They some how managed to interprete eating of blood as blood transfusion.

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 9:28am On May 29
Myer:


Of course there's always a verse.lol But the interpretation of it is where the contention usually is.

In old testament. Leviticus 17:11-12
For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.
Therefore I said unto the children of Israel, No soul of you shall eat blood, neither shall any stranger that sojourneth among you eat blood.

New testament Acts 15:29
That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

They some how managed to interprete eating of blood as blood transfusion.
hmm this is funny.Misinterpretation at it's peak
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by MuttleyLaff: 9:37am On May 29
MuttleyLaff:
This is the beauty of breaking bread and sharing it in opened topics like as this one. Interlocutors bring along food, you eat with them on the table, chew the food but making sure not to swallow the bones but to spit them out, lol

... my position, is God is not a "not-known-number" of person. God, as a matter of fact then, is, x-person and so God, in effect is, ∞-persons, as in, meaning, God is infinite or infinity.

God is someone without any bound, without limit, without an end. God is the first and the last, God oxymoronically has no beginning and no end. God is someone bigger and larger than any specified number, even three or trinity. This means, dont put God in a box. It explains why God in His infinite wisdom didnt allow the the word trinity to be printed black and white kokoro out in the Bible, lol

Now going to what you referenced and about the point made by Bible\speaks when he laid bare Matthew 24:36. Well, you've likely, often heard it said, if you want something done right, you have to do it yourself. Something to be done right is exactly what it's all about and so what God did. This is a matter of the classsic diy aka Do-It-Yourself.

God, can send Himself on an errand, and did send Himself to earth, in the form of Jesus Christ because God simultaneously can be in more than one place at a time (i.e. God can be in Heaven and on earth, at the same time) Note that, Jesus didnt correct people that addressed Him as God, for example, where and when said: "My Lord, My God" to Him

Christ cannot share the same body with God the father, because God is formless. God has no clear definite shape or size. Jesus Christ is the product of God projecting Himself as a human being in the person of Jesus Christ on earth. Jesus Christ is the visible image of the invisible God. Why does Jesus Christ need to be a human being on earth?. Fundamentally, it is because one needs a human body to lawfully and have a permitted way to legally operate on earth. God is not going to be a law breaker and be breaking Genesis 1:26-28

Now, though Jesus is God, He did not think of equality with God, as something to cling to. Instead, He gave up his divine privileges. He took the humble position of a servant and was born as a human being, and so God appeared on earth, in human form, as in, the person of Jesus Christ, God's Son, which means, it is a guarantee and not rocket science, that fathers will always know things that sons will have no idea or knowledge of.

This isnt news anymore

MuttleyLaff:
God will be, whatever God will be.
God will be, whatever God needs to be.
God will be, whatever God wants be.
God will be, whatever God can be.
God will be, whatever God has to be.

The character is God, who says: I AM, THAT, I AM

Of course I am. Why not?
Its enough to say, God is Omni-Know-All. God is Omniscient
At this juncture, am however sorry to say this,
but you really are being unnecessarily fussy over nothing
and being myopic about this info about the need of a body bro.

You must be able to see it by now.
You must be able to know it by now, be able to note that Adam (i.e. as in, Man or human beings) is a product of, necessity is the mother of invention
And also note that, a need and/or problem(s) encourages creative efforts to meet the need and/or solve the problem(s)
God will be anything necessary or will do anything necessary, and that's anything necessary within the rule to meet a need(s) and/or solve a problem(s)

Anyway, back to the original matter. What does it matter? (i.e. ...God the son? ...my servant?)
Dont your Dad/Mum/Brother/Sister/Son/Daughter/waiter/house-servant/etcetera minister to you or serve you?

Again, God will be, whatever God will be.
God will be, whatever God needs to be. God will be, whatever God wants be.
God will be, whatever God can be. God will be, whatever God has to be.

This is a prerogative, us human beings, dont have

Now allow to be appeased with this instructive ''draw-a-straight-line-between-these-two-points'' Matthew 20:26-28

"26But among you it will be different. Whoever wants to be a leader among you must be your servant,
27and whoever wants to be first among you must become your slave.
28For even the Son of Man came not to be served but to serve others and to give his life as a ransom for many.”

- Matthew 20:26-28 NLT

"26But it shall not be so among you: but whosoever will be great among you, let him be your minister;
27And whosoever will be chief among you, let him be your servant:
28Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many
"
- Matthew 20:26-28 KJV

BERNIMOORE, in addition to all above
if, God You want something done right & well, the first time,
God You might has well just, do it Godself Yourself,
and especially DIY, if God's you're Good at the something that needs done

God came to serve us and not be served
Arent we blessed that, even as we now speak, God is still performing and serving all

Sir, now, permit me to remind you of some responses you ought to have attended to,
but for reasons best known to you, you've chosen to leap-frog over and leave outstanding:
#1 BERNIMOORE and Jozzy4
What is your understanding of what the word God means and/or what the word, God is all about?
https://www.nairaland.com/1491321/satan-default-angel-prove-it#38808844

#2 Maybe if you explain what a liberal Trinitarian is
and what a liberal Trinitarian is about, I might be able to confirm whether you're correct or not that am a liberal Trinitarian
https://www.nairaland.com/1491321/satan-default-angel-prove-it/4#39120364

#3 I said: Why not?
Is it impossible for God to pull something like this off? Yes OR No!
https://www.nairaland.com/1491321/satan-default-angel-prove-it/5#39194185

Myer:
@bolded You know that gets my attention.

There was a time I believed this too. Until I realized that there is so much confusion in the boby of Christ, all from the same bible.

Notice how the Spirit of Truth seems to have revealed conflicting revelations to you all even on this topic on this thread?

Truly, there are portions of the bible to support the concept of Trinity.

Conversely, there are portions of the bible against the concept of Trinity.

Ergo, who is responsible for this confusion?

The men who translated it or the author, God who inspired it?
Go back and re-read the whole thread so to follow the train of posts and understand correctly that I was complimenting jamesid29 for posting that Ravi Zacharias, Baba's clip which incidentally agrees with my earlier know understanding that God, is a God of "I AM, that, I AM", which has a meaning of He will be what is necessary for Him to be.

This has an implication to me that you can't box God up into trinity because God for the simple and mere faith of being limitless, has to be infinity-person. This is ludicrous to think or say God is trinity, and that, that is the end of the matter.

No! It doesn't happen that way, but it does just so happen that, in the Bible, God out of His prerogative, in spite of being a God of "not-known-number" of person, chose to express Himself to us, in a three dimensional, three-person, trinity concept.

Ergo wouldn't tell you this, its the Spirit of Truth that reveals and/or teaches this.

You can of course, see from the second above post mention, a comment made in 2015, of someone trying to label me as a "liberal Trinitarian", lmao

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