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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by KNOWMORE56: 9:04pm On Jun 06, 2020
Peacefullove:


And Christ is a property of someone . I know you dont know. 1 Corinthians 3:23 Christ BELONG TO GOD ( His Father )

So you need to cool down.

Anytime you see something like this, it means they are using/ referring to the other of His offices.

JESUS IN HIS OFFICES
1. In His highest office; He is God (John
1:1-3; )

2. In His lower office; He's an Angel
(Joshua 5:13)

3. In His lower-than-angels office; He's a
Man/human being (Acts 2:22)

4. In His lower-than-human office; He's a
Lamb, Lion (i.e animal) John 1:29;
Revelation 7:17; 5:5

5. In His lower-than-animal office; He's a
Plant (John 15:1-2; Matthew 15:13)

6. In His lower-than-plant office; He's a
Rock (1 Corinthians 10:4; Psalms
18:31,46)

7. In His lower-than-rock office; He's a Food (John 6:33,35,48).

Colossians 1 :18 "KJV:And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; THAT in ALL THINGS HE MIGHT HAVE the PREEMINENCE.

Ephesians 4: 10 "KJV:He that DESCENDED is THE SAME also that ASCENDED up far above all heavens, THAT HE MIGHT FILL ALL THINGS.)

Stephen prayed to God Jesus: Acts 7: 59

"KJV:And they stoned STEPHEN, CALLING UPON GOD, and saying, LORD JESUS, receive my spirit.
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by rottennaija(m): 9:11pm On Jun 06, 2020
Maximus69:


Visions are meant to be INTERPRETED!

The creatures doesn't literally mean that's what Jesus was revealing to us through John!

@ Act 10:9-16 Peter saw the heavens open and animals that God warned Israelites in the law not to eat were placed before him to kill and eat, but Peter kept saying "NO" until the sheet was taken away from him!

Please what was the outcome?

Nobody brought any unclean animal for Peter to kill for food, rather it was Cornelius that was brought before Peter! Act 10:30-35

God bless you! smiley

Whether the animal meant something else or not, whether God was trying to reveal something else to Peter or not, Peter saw the animal termed unclean, Yes? NO?
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 9:17pm On Jun 06, 2020
rottennaija:


Whether the animal meant something else or not, whether God was trying to reveal something else to Peter or not, Peter saw the animal termed unclean, Yes? NO?

So what's your point? undecided
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by KNOWMORE56: 9:20pm On Jun 06, 2020
Peacefullove:


There is ONE GOD, The Father . 1Cor 8:5,6

Not Jesus . you still refuse to learn

Referring to the other offices, either as a Priest or the Prophet (Hebrews4:14

"KJV:Seeing then that we have A GREAT HIGH PRIEST, that is passed into the heavens, JESUS the SON of God, let us hold fast our profession.
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 9:25pm On Jun 06, 2020
Maximus69:


So what's your point? undecided

He is trying to say the animals were declared unclean but the riders and horses in Revelations just didn't say nothing to John, so JWs shouldn't give it their own meaning! grin grin grin
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 9:27pm On Jun 06, 2020
TATIME:


He is trying to say the animals were declared unclean but the riders and horses in Revelations just didn't say nothing to John, so JWs shouldn't give it their own meaning! grin grin grin

Oh i see! undecided
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by rottennaija(m): 9:33pm On Jun 06, 2020
Maximus69:


So what's your point? undecided

If you are asking that question, then there is no helping of you.
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by rottennaija(m): 9:34pm On Jun 06, 2020
TATIME:


He is trying to say the animals were declared unclean but the riders and horses in Revelations just didn't say nothing to John, so JWs shouldn't give it their own meaning! grin grin grin

I guess you read mind too and can see what I am saying. I see. I pity you.
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by rottennaija(m): 9:36pm On Jun 06, 2020
Maximus69:


So what's your point? undecided

My point is! Irrespective of what the vision mean, Peter did see the animal. He saw the animal.
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by KNOWMORE56: 10:36pm On Jun 06, 2020
Maximus69:


Jehovah is the personal name of the most powerful person in the universe! Exodus 6:2-3; Psalms 83:18

But he always see whoever disregard his representative as if such a person is doing so directly to him!

Humans often know that when we see any government official discharging his/her duty, we will call him/her Buhari, because any disregard for such an official is like a slap on the face of our President. Buhari will never take it lightly with whoever disregard any of those discharging their duties!

In the same manner, whenever Jehovah sends a spirit (angel) to represent him, his name is upon that spirit {Mark 1:24} any angel that is carrying out Jehovah's order is like acting in Jehovah's place! Exodus 3:2-6

So as we know that Buhari is the man from Katsina that was voted into the office of the President in the year 2015, whenever you see a uniformed personnel anywhere in Nigeria discharging his duty, know today that such a person is Buhari, and whatever you say or do against such an individual will be taken up not by the individual but by Buhari whom the person is REPRESENTING. Yet Buhari remains the first man in Aso rock! smiley


What I understand about the Father and son is as follows; using the same Buhari:

If you or anyone else goes to bank or other places, and you point at the below and ask 'who is that' or who is this?



See what the Bible says "KJV:Who is the IMAGE of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:" (Colossians 1:15)

Hebrews 1:3 "
KJV:Who being the brightness of his glory, and THE EXPRESS IMAGE OF HIS PERSON, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:

NOTE: Jesus is the picture of the Father. But unfortunately, Buhari picture/image has not the ability to talk

Father's Image perform perfectly

That's why when one of His disciples said to Him, you have been talking about the Father, please show us the Father

He, without apologies, said I the Father have been so long with you and you have not known me, Philip?

John 14:8-9 "KJV:Philip saith unto him, Lord, SHOW US THE FATHER, and it sufficeth us.
9
KJV:Jesus saith unto him, HAVE I BEEN so LONG time WITH YOU, and yet hast thou NOT KNOWN ME, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?

JESUS IS in the Father and vice versa, this is the true God!

Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by KNOWMORE56: 10:52pm On Jun 06, 2020
*. JESUS in heaven still appearing in form of lesser creature (a Lamb) Revelation 7 :17, although He's the creator. Revelation

4:11 'KJV:Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: FOR THOU HAST CREATED ALL THINGS, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

John 1:3 "3
KJV: ALL THINGS were MADE BY HIM; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Colossians 1 : 16 "KJV:For by HIM WERE ALL THINGS created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: ALL THINGS WERE CREATED BY HIM, AND FOR HIM:

NOTE: the things created are by Himself and for Himself. Jesus is the only true God!
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by KNOWMORE56: 11:08pm On Jun 06, 2020
He can use any of the offices at anytime and anywhere to fulfill a goal.

The writters of the Book (The Bible) understood this and they used it perfectly.


For example, Acts 2 :22 "KJV:Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, A MAN approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:

Note: it says God approved Jesus. The writter here is looking at Jesus in His office as human being

Anytime you see something like this, just know that they are referring to the other offices.

Another writter called Him GOD:

* Acts 7:59 "KJV:And they stoned STEPHEN, CALLING UPON GOD, and saying, LORD JESUS, receive my spirit

*.
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by KNOWMORE56: 11:36pm On Jun 06, 2020
[quote author=Maximus69 post=90359905]
Eventually all the angels in heaven had God's qualities except those who rebelled and we're expelled from heaven!


No servant of God worshipped Jesus in the Bible, they must obey him as Jehovah's representative in our midst, that's the import of his name "Emmanuel" (God is in our midst)




The phrase "every knee must bow" applies ONLY to obedient people Sir, that's why Jesus himself said "those who refuses to accept me as King over them, i will exterminte" {Luke 19:27} certainly if every living being have bowed (obeyed) Jesus then what is the essence of destroying anyone? John 3:16-18

So it wasn't about WORSHIPING Jesus Sir, it's about obeying Jehovah's representative in our midst! John 3:17-18

God bless you! smiley

Jesus has many offices, He can use any of the offices at anytime and anywhere.

His followers understood/understand this His ability to change to anything, anyhow and anywhere.

Once they (His followers) see Him, they worship Him not minding the office He uses. Example, Revelation 4:9-11"KJV:And when those beasts give glory and honour and thanks to him that sat on the throne, who liveth for ever and ever,
10
KJV:The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying,
11
KJV:Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

Note! This is Jesus being worshipped.
How do I know?

Jesus (in His office as human being) died.
His death on the cross is one of the reasons He is worthy 'to receive glory and honour and power'

I know because the last part says He created all things, and for His pleasure the things He created are and were created.

The last part is in agreement with Colossians 1: 15-16

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by KNOWMORE56: 11:58pm On Jun 06, 2020
Jesus in the old testament used His lower office as Rock. Unfortunately, the leader of the people didn't realize that.

This landed him in trouble. Let's see:

*. 1 Corinthians 10: 4 "4
KJV:And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and THAT ROCK WAS CHRIST.

*. Numbers 20:8,12 "
KJV:Take the rod, and gather thou the assembly together, thou, and Aaron thy brother, and SPEAK ye UNTO the ROCK before their eyes; and it shall give forth his water, and thou shalt bring forth to them water out of the rock: so thou shalt give the congregation and their beasts drink

12
KJV:And the Lord spake unto Moses and Aaron, Because ye believed me not, to sanctify me in the eyes of the children of Israel, therefore ye shall not bring this congregation into the land which I have given them.

The Bible says kiss the Son
*.
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by KNOWMORE56: 12:22am On Jun 07, 2020
Jesus in the old testament used His lower office as Rock. Unfortunately, the leader of the people didn't realize that.

This landed him in trouble. Let's see:

*. 1 Corinthians 10: 4 "4
KJV:And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and THAT ROCK WAS CHRIST.

*. Numbers 20:8,12 "
KJV:Take the rod, and gather thou the assembly together, thou, and Aaron thy brother, and SPEAK ye UNTO the ROCK before their eyes; and it shall give forth his water, and thou shalt bring forth to them water out of the rock: so thou shalt give the congregation and their beasts drink

12
KJV:And the Lord spake unto Moses and Aaron, Because ye believed me not, to sanctify me in the eyes of the children of Israel, therefore ye shall not bring this congregation into the land which I have given them.

The Bible says kiss the Son

*. Psalms 2:12 "KJV: KISS the SON, lest HE be ANGRY, and ye PERISH from THE WAY, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him

Note: kiss, accept, embrace, worship, respect the Son, if not you won't be a true Christian.

' the way' means the body of Christ or the church. Example

* Acts 9:2 ":And desired of him letters to Damascus to the synagogues, that if he found any of THIS WAY, whether they were men or women, he might bring them bound unto Jerusalem.

*. Acts 19:9 "JV:But when divers were hardened, and believed not, but spake evil of THAT WAY before the multitude, he departed from them, and separated the disciples, disputing daily in the school of one Tyrannus.

*. Acts 19:23 "KJV:And the same time there arose no small stir about THAT WAY.
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by johnw47: 12:34am On Jun 07, 2020
knowmore56

if you were not to delete the [/quote] at the end of the user comments you have quoted
as in this post https://www.nairaland.com/5885909/im-beginning-reason-jehovah-witness/22#90390467
it would be easier to see in your posts where that user finishes and you start

it would also be easier for others to quote you
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Janosky: 1:01am On Jun 07, 2020
shadeyinka:

I know, but your arguments have been very similar. That Jehovah cannot manifest as a man nor angel to His savants yet you easily believe that the reverse is possible an Angel can play God!

I showed you what the NWT says but your indoctrination is too deep for you to see that no being (not man and not any angel) can assume the name of Jehovah other than Himself.
Judges6:11-22, PROOF of Shadeyinka's DELUSION... grin

12 And the angel of Jehovah appeared unto him, and said unto him, Jehovah is with thee, thou mighty man of valor. 13 And Gideon said unto him, Oh, my lord, if Jehovah is with us, why then is all this befallen us? and where are all his wondrous works which our fathers told us of, saying, Did not Jehovah bring us up from Egypt? but now Jehovah hath cast us off, and delivered us into the hand of Midian. 14 And Jehovah looked upon him, and said, Go in this thy might, and save Israel from the hand of Midian: have not I sent thee?

20 And the angel of God said unto him, Take the flesh and the unleavened cakes, and lay them upon this rock, and pour out the broth. And he did so. 21 Then the angel of Jehovah put forth the end of the staff that was in his hand, and touched the flesh and the unleavened cakes; and there went up fire out of the rock, and consumed the flesh and the unleavened cakes; and the angel of Jehovah departed out of his sight. 22 And Gideon saw that he was the angel of Jehovah; and Gideon said, Alas, O Lord Jehovah! forasmuch as I have seen the angel of Jehovah face to face."

Judges 6:11-22 says

John 5:43, Jesus " came in the name of the Father"
Bros, is Jesus Christ the Father?

* Exodus 33:20
"And Jehovah added, “You cannot see My face, for no one can see Me and live.”


John 1:18
No man has ever seen God at anytime"

Isaiah 43:10, Bros, your FALSE claim here amounts to saying because JWs bear Jehovah's witnesses it means it is Jehovah Himself witnessing. grin

Shadeyinka is super glued with DELUSION grin

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by johnw47: 2:22am On Jun 07, 2020
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Mar 10:18  And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

Mat_20:15  Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? Is thine eye evil, because I am good?



Act 5:3  But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land? 
Act 5:4  Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.
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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 4:58am On Jun 07, 2020
rottennaija:


My point is! Irrespective of what the vision mean, Peter did see the animal. He saw the animal.

Peter saw animals in his dream but there was no single beast or eating in the outcome at last, yet you're here asking for the meaning of a revelation of future event shown to John with symbols shey.
And after you've been given an interpretation you insist it doesn't go down well with you, OK go and give it your own interpretation you're here arguing profusely as if heaven will fall due to your childish dissatisfaction! undecided

My friend, i've given you the meaning of each symbol if you're not satisfied there are still over 41,000 religions out there also claiming Christians, after all if you're not satisfied with JWs interpretation there is nothing stopping you from going to others for a better interpretation. undecided

Your hatred for JWs won't change anything Sir, you'll only continue to hurt yourself the more, America has declared FREEDOM of expression, speech and worship, you either choose the one that soothes your liken or ignore everything altogether after all atheists are living their lives and nobody arrested them for condemning religion! cheesy
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 5:13am On Jun 07, 2020
Janosky:

Judges6:11-22, PROOF of Shadeyinka's DELUSION... grin

12 And the angel of Jehovah appeared unto him, and said unto him, Jehovah is with thee, thou mighty man of valor. 13 And Gideon said unto him, Oh, my lord, if Jehovah is with us, why then is all this befallen us? and where are all his wondrous works which our fathers told us of, saying, Did not Jehovah bring us up from Egypt? but now Jehovah hath cast us off, and delivered us into the hand of Midian. 14 And Jehovah looked upon him, and said, Go in this thy might, and save Israel from the hand of Midian: have not I sent thee?

20 And the angel of God said unto him, Take the flesh and the unleavened cakes, and lay them upon this rock, and pour out the broth. And he did so. 21 Then the angel of Jehovah put forth the end of the staff that was in his hand, and touched the flesh and the unleavened cakes; and there went up fire out of the rock, and consumed the flesh and the unleavened cakes; and the angel of Jehovah departed out of his sight. 22 And Gideon saw that he was the angel of Jehovah; and Gideon said, Alas, O Lord Jehovah! forasmuch as I have seen the angel of Jehovah face to face."

Judges 6:11-22 says

John 5:43, Jesus " came in the name of the Father"
Bros, is Jesus Christ the Father?

* Exodus 33:20
"And Jehovah added, “You cannot see My face, for no one can see Me and live.”


John 1:18
No man has ever seen God at anytime"

Isaiah 43:10, Bros, your FALSE claim here amounts to saying because JWs bear Jehovah's witnesses it means it is Jehovah Himself witnessing. grin

Shadeyinka is super glued with DELUSION grin

In his bid to falsify the doctrines of JWs, he is now becoming so irrational that even he is ignorantly, arrogantly and vehemently condemning the concept that's well establish in the scriptures! undecided

Jesus (a former power spirit being) while traveling along with humans (Adam's descendants) was confronted by two mad men. Jesus spoke with them as if the two men knew what they're doing, but by the end of the day it's obvious that the persons talking with Jesus initially weren't those two men but powerful spirits that possessed them.

Now we're talking about Jehovah (the Almighty God who is the greatest of all spirits) according to the scriptures he is always depicted as someone sitting on a throne, and NO MAN has seen him before, yet angels spoke as if they're Jehovah, even a toddler will solve the riddle that this Almighty spirit being used the ones people can see as his mouthpiece just as powerful spirit beings took possession of lesser beings like humans to speak to people! undecided

Walahi Talahi this is not difficult in anyway, but Shadeyinka is just arguing blindly, and later he will tell you "i cast out demons" i wonder how such could be possible if not that powerful beings hypnotize lesser ones to use them accomplish their purposes!
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 5:27am On Jun 07, 2020
KNOWMORE56:



What I understand about the Father and son is as follows; using the same Buhari:

I love your explanation at the bolded my guy, in fact you're the most intelligent of them all!

What you understand about the father and the son is not yielding positivity Sir Matthew 7:16-18

Few decades ago the Chinese decided to forbid all the protocols set up by the west in approach to Scientific research, they were sanctioned but they never give a damn. Back then only nations that aren't in good terms with America still deal with the Chinese, but today Chinese have proven beyond reasonable doubt that they're the best in SCIENCE.

Please let people see the BENEFITS of the things you feel you understood first instead of all these narratives that's not working out what is fine amongst Churchgoers! James 2:18-26

God bless you! smiley
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 5:37am On Jun 07, 2020
Maximus69:


In his bid to falsify the doctrines of JWs, he is now becoming so irrational that even he is ignorantly, arrogantly and vehemently condemning the concept that's well establish in the scriptures! undecided

Jesus (a former power spirit being) while traveling along with humans (Adam's descendants) was confronted by two mad men. Jesus spoke with them as if the two men knew what they're doing, but by the end of the day it's obvious that the persons talking with Jesus initially weren't those two men but powerful spirits that possessed them.

Now we're talking about Jehovah (the Almighty God who is the greatest of all spirits) according to the scriptures he is always depicted as someone sitting on a throne, and NO MAN has seen him before, yet angels spoke as if they're Jehovah, even a toddler will solve the riddle that this Almighty spirit being used the ones people can see as his mouthpiece just as powerful spirit beings took possession of lesser beings like humans to speak to people! undecided

Walahi Talahi this is not difficult in anyway, but Shadeyinka is just arguing blindly, and later he will tell you "i cast out demons" i wonder how such could be possible if not that powerful beings hypnotize lesser ones to use them accomplish their purposes!

Shadeyinka is coming to expel that demon speaking through you now! undecided undecided undecided

What i don't understand is how he is doing so without hurting the person that was possessed!

Because if he's arguing against the fact that superior beings are capable of making lesser ones their mouthpiece, then how on earth did he come to the conclusion that it is possible to expel spirits (that are much more powerful than the creatures they possessed) out from other creatures?
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 6:02am On Jun 07, 2020
TATIME:


Shadeyinka is coming to expel that demon speaking through you now! undecided undecided undecided

What i don't understand is how he is doing so without hurting the person that was possessed!

Because if he's arguing against the fact that superior beings are capable of making lesser ones their mouthpiece, then how on earth did he come to the conclusion that it is possible to expel spirits (that are much more powerful than the creatures they possessed) out from other creatures?

I wonder o!

He claims he has expelled demons before but he is now arguing BLINDLY against the same concept! cheesy

Jehovah used any of his spirit sons as mouthpiece simple.

Moses made it clear enough, the person leading the Israelites was an angel but the same Moses said Jehovah is the one leading his people! Exodus 13:20-21, 14:19

Similarly Moses wrote an angel was in the burning bush {Exodus 3:2} but it was Jehovah's voice he heard! Exodus 3:4-9

People just love behaving like Pharisees, even when logic works out perfectly all they're bent on doing is "they condemn our religion, we will also condemn their own"

So even when they're seeing that their mission has failed they still insist pushing forward with their pigheadedness! embarassed
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Peacefullove: 7:47am On Jun 07, 2020
rottennaija:


Lol... Suddenly, the almighty IQ Peacefullove is dumb. Arguing from human attributes of riding horses to animal dying and going to heaven. I know your problem, it's not just problem but that of all JWs.

My dear, what are horses? Are the spirit being? Animals? Humans? What are horses? I understand the difficulties in simply saying horses are animals because they will destroy the superstructure of the arguments you built since.

Please my knowledgeable IQ Peacefullove, is apostle John lying that on what he saw so that he would use anthropomorphism to describe it? Or can we just say he describes fictions which doesn't exist?

So far you decided to be stupid. Am enjoying this, John also see a dragon with seven heads fighting with Michael. Guess that animals is real too .

Are all this animals in Heaven ?


Bookmarked.
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Peacefullove: 7:55am On Jun 07, 2020
shadeyinka:
Three men came to Abram. We later saw that two (or the three according to JW doctrine) of these men were Angels.
JW interpretations:
Therefore, the Angels are actually Human Beings
Christian interpretation
Therefore, the men are actually Angels

Your lying mouth first denied Jacob fought an angel. Now you are struggling again to admit that an Angel spoke with Abraham , with Jehovah title .

Abaraham entertained all three men, According to the Bible , those entertained are ANGELS . you have your answer


I know that you will scream foul: but aren't you using the same argument in the question you posted.


Unlike you who would rather dodge scriptural questions. Your NWT actually clarifies it for you.


Exodus3:1-22 NWT
3 Moses became a shepherd of the flock of his father-in-law Jethʹro,a the priest of Midʹi·an. While he was leading the flock to the west side of the wilderness, he eventually came to the mountain of the true God, to Horʹeb.
2 Then Jehovah’s angel appeared to him in a flame of fire in the midst of a thornbush. As he kept looking, he saw that the thornbush was on fire, and yet the thornbush was not consumed.
3 So Moses said: “I will go over to inspect this unusual sight to see why the thornbush does not burn up.”
4 When Jehovah saw that he went over to look, God called to him out of the thornbush and said: “Moses! Moses!” to which he said: “Here I am.”
5 Then he said: “Do not come any nearer. Remove your sandals from your feet, because the place where you are standing is holy ground.”
6 He went on to say: “I am the God of your father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.” Then Moses hid his face, because he was afraid to look at the true God.
7 Jehovah added: “I have certainly seen the affliction of my people who are in Egypt, and I have heard their outcry because of those who force them to work; I well know the pains they suffer.

I think you have been answered. Moses was afraid to look at the true God. Is an Angel the true God?

Why do you think the bible didn't say:
And the Angel spoke to Moses....?

Now, according to NWTwho spoke to Moses?
Was it the Angel or was it Jehovah?

The highlighted is your answer ... The voice came right from the midst of the thornbush, guess who was there ? Second example together with of Abraham.
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Peacefullove: 8:01am On Jun 07, 2020
Janosky:

Judges6:11-22, PROOF of Shadeyinka's DELUSION... grin

12 And the angel of Jehovah appeared unto him, and said unto him, Jehovah is with thee, thou mighty man of valor. 13 And Gideon said unto him, Oh, my lord, if Jehovah is with us, why then is all this befallen us? and where are all his wondrous works which our fathers told us of, saying, Did not Jehovah bring us up from Egypt? but now Jehovah hath cast us off, and delivered us into the hand of Midian. 14 And Jehovah looked upon him, and said, Go in this thy might, and save Israel from the hand of Midian: have not I sent thee?

20 And the angel of God said unto him, Take the flesh and the unleavened cakes, and lay them upon this rock, and pour out the broth. And he did so. 21 Then the angel of Jehovah put forth the end of the staff that was in his hand, and touched the flesh and the unleavened cakes; and there went up fire out of the rock, and consumed the flesh and the unleavened cakes; and the angel of Jehovah departed out of his sight. 22 And Gideon saw that he was the angel of Jehovah; and Gideon said, Alas, O Lord Jehovah! forasmuch as I have seen the angel of Jehovah face to face."

Judges 6:11-22 says

John 5:43, Jesus " came in the name of the Father"
Bros, is Jesus Christ the Father?

* Exodus 33:20
"And Jehovah added, “You cannot see My face, for no one can see Me and live.”


John 1:18
No man has ever seen God at anytime"

Isaiah 43:10, Bros, your FALSE claim here amounts to saying because JWs bear Jehovah's witnesses it means it is Jehovah Himself witnessing. grin

Shadeyinka is super glued with DELUSION grin

You have finished him
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by rottennaija(m): 8:11am On Jun 07, 2020
Maximus69:


Peter saw animals in his dream but there was no single beast or eating in the outcome at last, yet you're here asking for the meaning of a revelation of future event shown to John with symbols shey.
And after you've been given an interpretation you insist it doesn't go down well with you, OK go and give it your own interpretation you're here arguing profusely as if heaven will fall due to your childish dissatisfaction! undecided

My friend, i've given you the meaning of each symbol if you're not satisfied there are still over 41,000 religions out there also claiming Christians, after all if you're not satisfied with JWs interpretation there is nothing stopping you from going to others for a better interpretation. undecided

Your hatred for JWs won't change anything Sir, you'll only continue to hurt yourself the more, America has declared FREEDOM of expression, speech and worship, you either choose the one that soothes your liken or ignore everything altogether after all atheists are living their lives and nobody arrested them for condemning religion! cheesy

I'm going to ignore every other thing you said here. But see the bolded? It highlights your problem. You don't read and even when you do, you don't understand. That how you go about explaining things not asked or go about talking things out of what is the subject.

I don't blame you shaa, because if you did had read and more so understood, you wouldn't be talking about things not the subject.
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 8:20am On Jun 07, 2020
rottennaija:


I'm going to ignore every other thing you said here. But see the bolded? It highlights your problem. You don't read and even when you do, you don't understand. That how you go about explaining things not asked or go about talking things out of what is the subject.

I don't blame you shaa, because if you did had read and more so understood, you wouldn't be talking about things not the subject.

My daddy and mommy are still putting faith in all these Sir! cheesy

So go first change their minds to stop being members of Jehovah's Witnesses Organization, before you come out worrying yourself over outsiders.

This charity work you're trying to do, you supposed to begin with your own family who are also members of Jehovah's Witnesses Organization! cheesy
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by rottennaija(m): 8:21am On Jun 07, 2020
Peacefullove:


So far you decide to be stupid. Am enjoying this

Animals were created in heaven ?? Its high time you Expose your silly attributes to the world

Again another diversion. Whether animal was created in heaven or in the moon is besides the question asked. The apostle John in his vision said he saw a horse... Mr wise Peacefullove, what is a horse?

You see, you can only fool those whom you can fool. You see those who claim they are wise, they are the most fools. What is a horse? A plant? Animal? Angels? Humans?

Because of your shame, you cannot even say a horse is an animal before beginning to explain nonsense whatever you have in mine.

And yet, I am the fool. My dear, the keep jumping up and down. Eventually, you will bury your wise head in shame.
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Peacefullove: 8:24am On Jun 07, 2020
rottennaija:


Again another diversion. Whether animal was created in heaven or in the moon is besides the question asked. The apostle John in his vision said he saw a horse... Mr wise Peacefullove, what is a horse?

You see, you can only fool those whom you can fool. You see those who claim they are wise, they are the most fools. What is a horse? A plant? Animal? Angels? Humans?

Because of your shame, you cannot even say a horse is an animal before beginning to explain nonsense whatever you have in mine.

And yet, I am the fool. My dear, the keep jumping up and down. Eventually, you will bury your wise head in shame.

Now you are really stupid. John seeing something does not make it real. John see stars falling on earth, Does it make it real , . In another instance , John saw right in heaven a dragon seven heads fighting with Michael . Is this animal Real ?

Am talking reality, you are talking see , Dumb man grin

If you can't prove this animals are in heaven Eat the dust in shame.
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by rottennaija(m): 8:25am On Jun 07, 2020
Maximus69:


My daddy and mommy are still putting faith in all these Sir! cheesy

So go first change their minds to stop being members of Jehovah's Witnesses Organization, before you come out worrying yourself over outsiders.

This charity work you're trying to do, you supposed to begin with your own family who are also members of Jehovah's Witnesses Organization! cheesy

Madman, whether they are not not is none of your biz. Just as you have rights to be deluded, they also do. How many did Jesus change of his family in his lifetime? Maximus69, how many of Jesus family followed him in his lifetime?

Stupid man
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by rottennaija(m): 8:27am On Jun 07, 2020
Peacefullove:


Now you are really stupid. John seeing something does not make it real. John see stars falling on earth, Does it make it real , . In another instance , John saw right in heaven a dragon seven heads fighting with Michael . Is this animal Real ?

Am talking reality, you are talking see , Dumb man grin

If you can't prove this animals are in heaven Eat the dust in shame.


You are funniest fool, what did he see? Did he see the dragon? How real is heaven to you child of the wisest? Where is heaven? Which planet is it? We can see the earth and pinpoint the solar system it belongs to and the galaxy, tell wisest fool, which planet is heaven? Which galaxy?

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