delkuf:
Can that person seek to understand the Lord Jesus Christ more without believing in what the Lord Jesus Christ did. Can that person understand the Lord Jesus Christ more without believing that he died and on the third day he rose from the dead. can he understand without him believing that the Lord Jesus Christ heal the blinds and raise the dead. you guys are missing the most important thing and trying to use logic to read the Bible. it cannot work like that. if I want obey some body, I will believe in what that person say and do.

The person should not necessarily start from believing in anything. Before jesus died and rose, he also taught the gospel. He wanted his people to believe the gospel ( good news), but that was impossible because they did not totally understand his good news(gospel). His good news ( or gospel) was beyond just liberation from Rome, it was first a liberation from your own slavery to self and sin. So jesus taught and taught, he gave many parables about the kingdom of God. That it was already with them there and doesn't necessarily have to come the way they understood previously.
The people had to understand the gospel of jesus in order to believe it.

Daejoyoung:

The person should not necessarily start from believing in anything. Before jesus died and rose, he also taught the gospel. He wanted his people to believe the gospel ( good news), but that was impossible because they did not totally understand his good news(gospel). His good news ( or gospel) was beyond just liberation from Rome, it was first a liberation from your own slavery to self and sin. So jesus taught and taught, he gave many parables about the kingdom of God. That it was already with them there and doesn't necessarily have to come the way they understood previously.
The people had to understand the gospel of jesus in order to believe it.

I can't fathom what you have just written. can a person seek to understand the Lord Jesus Christ more without believing in him.

delkuf:
I can't fathom what you have just written. can a person seek to understand the Lord Jesus Christ more without believing in him.

yes

Daejoyoung:
yes

No

delkuf:
And please I am a Christian and I am not a product of a system introduce by slave trade. Christianity started in the Bible. they saw them behaving like Christ, and they called them Christian.

None of the disciples or the first "Christians" had a Bible to work with. What they heard was the word of mouth transmission of Christ's teachings, backed by the lead of the Spirit of God.
The book you know of today as the Bible came into existence about 300 years after the disciples and the first "Christians" walked the earth. And it was another 1200 years or so before common people could get their hands on a copy of it to read for themselves.

delkuf:
No

Jesus actually foretold of signs that will help people living in the end time to believe him!
But most people just want to see him in person or witness some of his miracles before they can believe (trust) in his words, that is not Christianity Sir!

Maximus69:


Jesus actually foretold of signs that will help people living in the end time to believe him!
But most people just want to see him in person or witness some of his miracles before they can believe (trust) in his words, that is not Christianity Sir!

that is the problem.

gbami:
Ephesians 6:5
Colossians 3:22
Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ.

Tell me how? How is it possible?
To sincerely obey someone that's Enslaving you ...that believes you are a shit in the site of human, that you are a second class human...

Many things just don't sit well...

So what story in the bible do you believe?

Kobojunkie:

None of the disciples or the first "Christians" had a Bible to work with. What they heard was the word of mouth transmission of Christ's teachings, backed by the lead of the Spirit of God.
The book you know of today as the Bible came into existence about 300 years after the disciples and the first "Christians" walked the earth. And it was another 1200 years or so before common people could get their hands on a copy of it to read for themselves.

That book has changed my life. So I believe in it regardless of what you or anyone say

delkuf:
No

Don't you think that even many so called non Christians may understand the gospel than many christians today? I understand a lot from Shakespeare and many underlining truth behind the stories. If I live my life according to the principles of those truth because of my understanding, I do not need to be called a Shakespearean. I am already fulfilling the purpose of those stories, which was why the author wrote them in the first place.
What it means to believe in and follow jesus is to understand his story and let the story lead you to the truth of God for your life. It is also to understand the principles behind his teachings and allow them guide you. If you allow them guide you, it means you believe in them. But first you must let them sink into your soul ( by understanding).

delkuf:
That book has changed my life. So I believe in it regardless of what you or anyone say

For me, God changed my life. I believe in Him, and what He tells me about what is written in the book.

Kobojunkie:

God changed my life. I believe in Him, and what He tells me about the book.

How do you know God

delkuf:
How do you know God

Do you mean how I came to know of God?

Daejoyoung:

Don't you think that even many so called non Christians may understand the gospel than many christians today? I understand a lot from Shakespeare and many underlining truth behind the stories. If I live my life according to the principles of those truth because of my understanding, I do not need to be called a Shakespearean. I am already fulfilling the purpose of those stories, which was why the author wrote them in the first place.
What it means to believe in and follow jesus is to understand his story and let the story lead you to the truth of God for your life. It is also to understand the principles behind his teachings and allow them guide you. If you allow them guide you, it means you believe in them. But first you must let them sink into your soul ( by understanding).

I don't have problem with people understanding the Bible. my point is that you must believe in the Bible

Kobojunkie:
Do you know how I came to know of God?

guy you keep going round in circle. someone cannot understand where you stand.

delkuf:
I don't have problem with people understanding the Bible. my point is that you must believe in the Bible

what does it mean to believe in the bible from your point of view?

delkuf:
guy you keep going round in circle. someone cannot understand where you stand.

What exactly do you not understand about where I stand? I have tried to make myself clear so far, If you have questions about any of my posts, ask.

delkuf:
I don't have problem with people understanding the Bible. my point is that you must believe in the Bible

Must I necessarily believe those stories in Shakespeare were all real in order to live by their principles or to take to heart, what I learnt from them?

Daejoyoung:

what does it mean to believe in the bible from your point of view?

To believe in the Bible is to believe in what is written in it. read it, understand it and assimilate it. then do what it says. because it is the Bible that fornication is a sin, I stop fornicating. And continue living like that till the second coming of the Lord Jesus Christ. because the Bible says so

Daejoyoung:

Must I necessarily believe those stories in Shakespeare were all real in order to live by their principles or to take to heart, what I learnt from them?

the Bible is not Shakespeare please and have not read any book by Shakespeare. So I can't answer on this

delkuf:
that is the problem.

It's no problem Sir!

God started all these with just a pair of humans so it cost him nothing if just only a few survive into the new system!

Jesus himself said

"just as it happened in Noah's day"

Before Noah's day there was nothing like rain, but Noah is now telling them rain as in water will drop heavily from the sky.

Of course they can't believe (trust) in such things, but what about

©When they saw him building the Ark?
©When he began bringing in the animals?
©When the birds were going to meet him in pairs?
©When wild animals became grass eaters in the Ark?
They ignored all these signs until the flood came and wipe them all out!

Today Jesus' followers are RECOGNIZED by some signs, they're about .01% of the world's population, but those who refuses to find out what Jesus said about his group will simply perish just as it occurred in Noah's day! Luke 17:26-27

Maximus69:


JWs stand firm for Jehovah's sovereignty, but we must be submissive to the worldly politicians in power, we only disobey them when they're demanding what doesn't rightfully belong to them 'OUR WORSHIP'. Mark 12:17

Max, the following is an English lesson. It has nothing to do with theology. Pay careful attention.

Submissive, is when you obey whether you like it, and moreso, when you don't.

The fact that JWs disobey, for whatever reason, means JWs are not submissive.

You, for instance, hardly ever submit even when you have been shown to be incorrect. It is your nature to go on resisting even in the face of obvious superior understanding; you, Max, stand firm and unsubmissive.

orunto27:
THE BIBLE IS THE MOST EFFECTIVE TRAINER OF THE HEART, THE SOUL, THE MIND AND THE FLESH.

THE BIBLE IS THEREFORE OUR INSTRUCTOR, OUR DIRECTOR AND OUR DISCERNMENT.

FROM THE BIBLE WE DERIVE RICHES, POWER, HONOUR AND EXCELLENCE.

Especially when it is understood!

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Xavfra:


You went back to Christianity or ......

TheSourcerer:
sounds like he did , I don't blame him religion is very very mentally manipulative , you have to be of strong mind to maintain your stance

No, I did not go back to Christianity.

I was an atheist from birth and recently decided to read the Bible for the third time. I am finding it impossible to be a Christian as you can see by the difficulty I have in believing.

Daejoyoung:

Where do you get this rule from, this applies to the quran and not the bible.

No it doesn't! That is just a belief you have! And I beg you not to spoil your beautiful understanding with lazy beliefs!

The Quran too is a book. And like the Bible, one must not look at its cover and believe before actually reading to understand it.

Apart from that. buda bows to your superior understanding.

budaatum:

No it doesn't! That is just a belief you have! And I beg you not to spoil your beautiful understanding with lazy beliefs!

The Quran too is a book. And like the Bible, one must not look at its cover and believe before actually reading to understand it.

Apart from that. buda bows to your superior understanding.

I was responding to his statement that you must believe everything in the bible. The quran actually states that it was dictated to Muhammed from God through the angel jibreel, and that believers cannot reject one part of this revelation and cling to others, you must believe everything in the Quran. Note that the quran was said to be revealed( not written at first) by one man in the space of 23 years. Islam is a true definition of religion of the book.

Daejoyoung:

I was responding to his statement that you must believe everything in the bible. The quran actually states that it was dictated to Muhammed from God through the angel jibreel, and that believers cannot reject one part of this revelation and cling to others, you must believe everything in the Quran. Note that the quran was said to be revealed( not written at first) by one man in the space of 23 years. Islam is a true definition of religion of the book.

Some are telling you that the Bible is the "definition of religion of the book", and that you must believe it to understand, but I hear you arguing vehemently, as one should!

Even if it says you "must believe everything in the Quran", you would seek to understand first before believing or not, as you have clearly stated, and as you would do with any book, I'd bet, if I were a gambler.

budaatum:

Especially when it is understood!

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Thanks.

budaatum:



No, I did not go back to Christianity.

I was an atheist from birth and recently decided to read the Bible for the third time. I am finding it impossible to be a Christian as you can see by the difficulty I have in believing.

Do we have meetings Atheists meet up i''ve never met a fellow Atheist .

budaatum:



No, I did not go back to Christianity.

I was an atheist from birth and recently decided to read the Bible for the third time. I am finding it impossible to be a Christian as you can see by the difficulty I have in believing.

I


You are an Atheist period. That you don't die an Atheist, commune with your Heart, not your Mind and listen.

Before you read The Bible, sanitize your FACE AND YOUR TWO HANDS AND PRAY FOR UNDERSTANDING BEFORE YOU START TO READ.

May God help you to UNDERSTAND HIM IJN AMEN AMEN AMEN !!!

GOD IS EVERYTHING INCLUDING BELIEF AND UNDERSTANDING, CREATION, LIFE AND YOU, YOUR READING THE BIBLE FOR WISDOM KNOWLEDGE AND UNDERSTANDING.

IF YOU CAN SANITIZE YOUR HANDS FOR COVID-19, DO SO BEFORE YOU GRAB A KJV BIBLE TO READ

ST JOHN'S GOSPEL CHAPTER ONE

GENESIS CHAPTER ONE AND

HEBREW CHAPTER ONE IN THAT ORDER.

From Orisa37: GOD BLESS U

budaatum:

Max, the following is an English lesson. It has nothing to do with theology. Pay careful attention.

Submissive, is when you obey whether you like it, and moreso, when you don't.

The fact that JWs disobey, for whatever reason, means JWs are not submissive.

You, for instance, hardly ever submit even when you have been shown to be incorrect. It is your nature to go on resisting even in the face of obvious superior understanding; you, Max, stand firm and unsubmissive.

Submission is relative not in isolation!

If you don't have any group or organization that you believe you should submit to, then there is nothing like submission in your case!

A soldier is in submission to his camp, but in opposition to all others, so without his camp he is only surrendering unwillingly to other camps, but to his own camp he will be 100% submissive!

That's why we are Jehovah's Witnesses (Christian Soldiers)

Please mention the group to that you're in subjection to so we can learn the rules of you're truthfully Obedient!

Maximus69:

Please mention the group to that you're in subjection to so we can learn the rules of you're truthfully Obedient!

I am buda. I am obedient to Wisdom.

I subject myself to superior understanding and sit at its feet and learn.