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| Re: Sultan Muhammad Sa’ad Abubakar Ask Muslims To Look Out For New Moon by Nobody: 3:37pm On Jun 08, 2020 |
Xposed2020:Where was the battle of tabuk fought? |
| Re: Sultan Muhammad Sa’ad Abubakar Ask Muslims To Look Out For New Moon by Nobody: 4:01pm On Jun 08, 2020*. Modified: 4:46pm On Jun 08, 2020 |
fortran12:Bilal ibn Rabah (580–640 AD) was one of the most trusted and loyal Sahabah (companions) of the Islamic prophet Muhammad. He was born in Mecca and is considered to have been the first mu'azzin, chosen by Muhammad himself for his beautiful voice with which he called people to their prayers. When Muhammad announced his prophethood and started to preach the message of Islam, Bilal renounced idol worship, becoming one of the earliest converts to the faith. When Bilal's slave master, Umayyah ibn Khalaf, found out, he began to torture Bilal. At the instigation of Abu Jahl, Umayyah bound Bilal and had him dragged around Mecca as children mocked him. Bilal refused to renounce Islam, instead repeating "Ahad Ahad" (God is absolute/one). Incensed at Bilal's refusal, Umayyah ordered that Bilal be whipped and beaten while spread-eagled upon the Arabian sands under the desert sun, his limbs bound to stakes. When Bilal still refused to recant, Umayyah ordered that a hot boulder be placed on Bilal's chest. However, Bilal remained firm in belief and continued to say "Ahad Ahad". the emancipation of Bilal was through Abubakr who manumitted him. Bilal rose to prominence in the Islamic community of Medina, as Muhammad pbuh appointed him minister of the Bayt al-Mal (treasury). Muhammad pbuh chose Bilal as the first mu'azzin (reciter of the Adhan). https://www.finalcall.com/artman/publish/Perspectives_1/article_103642.shtml https://sunnahonline.com/library/history-of-islam/307-bilal-ibn-rabah Historical, scriptural evidences & facts proved you wrong again. |
| Re: Sultan Muhammad Sa’ad Abubakar Ask Muslims To Look Out For New Moon by Nobody: 4:03pm On Jun 08, 2020*. Modified: 4:28pm On Jun 08, 2020 |
fortran12:Tafsir (forced according to you) or Qur'anic verses (willingly)? @ attached. Example; If any law is in conflict with the Nigerian constitution, the constitution take precedence. Now during tafsir, the preacher might assume 1 or 2 as to what definition of fight was intended depending on his stance (hardliner or moderate). So, I might not agree with a preacher. Shekau & Muhammed Yusuf were preachers in their own right. And I don't concur to their preachings.
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| Re: Sultan Muhammad Sa’ad Abubakar Ask Muslims To Look Out For New Moon by Nobody: 4:17pm On Jun 08, 2020 |
fortran12:If you decide to interpret Servant as Slave, no problem as Muslims are in it with Jesus pbuh as clearly stated in the Bible (ACTS 3:26.) https://carm.org/jesus-god-or-servant fortran12:I answered you, but since you are bereft of argument, you brought it up again. ![]() Moses too was a slave likewise all Biblical figures.
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| Re: Sultan Muhammad Sa’ad Abubakar Ask Muslims To Look Out For New Moon by Nobody: 4:33pm On Jun 08, 2020*. Modified: 4:51pm On Jun 08, 2020 |
fortran12:Historical, scriptural evidences & facts, proved you wrong again. All you need to know about Jizya. https://quran.com/9 We begin with a proper explanation of what exactly is a dhimmi. Dhimmi is a historical term referring to non-Muslim subjects of a Muslim state. The word literally means, “One whose responsibility is taken” or “people with whom a covenant or compact has been made”. The word describes citizens of a Muslim State afforded security over their persons, property and religious practice in return for a tax, the jizya. Historically, when empires won battles and wars, common men were subjugated, looted and forced to work as laborers and serve in the military. Islam did away with such practice by affording all non-Muslim subjects the special dhimmi status. Dhimmis had a special place in Medina. Prophet Muhammad pbuh said, “If anyone wrongs a man with whom a covenant has been made [i.e. a dhimmi], or curtails any right of his, or imposes on him more than he can bear, or takes anything from him without his ready agreement, I shall be his adversary on the Day of Resurrection.” He also made it clear that the protection of their life and honor was the responsibility of the Muslims, and failing in this regard would incur God’s wrath, “Whoever killed a Mu’ahid (a person who is granted the pledge of protection by the Muslims, i.e. a dhimmi) shall not smell the fragrance of Paradise though its fragrance can be smelt at a distance of forty years (of traveling).” At the conquest of Mecca, Prophet Muhammad(sa) had the upper hand against the personalities who had persecuted him for over two decades. He could have silenced his enemies forever. Instead, he turned to the Meccans and asked: ‘O’ Quraish! How do you think I would treat you?’ They replied: ‘We expect nothing but good from you as you are a noble and kind brother to us and the son of a noble and kind brother as well.’ The Prophet said, ‘I say to you what the Prophet Joseph said to his brothers: ‘No blame shall lie on you this day! You are free to go.’ Even before the conquest of Mecca, the Charter of Medina set the precedent for the treatment of mu’ahids (dhimmis are those non-Muslim subjects who become subjects after a war. If there is no war and there is a negotiated settlement then they are called mu’ahids). When Prophet Muhammad pbuh was popularly appointed Medina’s ruler, he entered into a pact with the Jewish communities of Medina. Through this pact, he granted equal political rights to non-Muslims. They were ensured complete freedom of religion. They were not required to take part in the religious wars of the Muslims, but were required to fight a common enemy of the State. Even as the head of state, Prophet Muhammad pbuh afforded non-Muslims the same social status he afforded Muslims. For example, “Once a funeral procession passed before Prophet Muhammad pbuh and he stood up [out of respect]. He was told that he [the dead man] was a Jew. Upon this he remarked: ‘Was he not a human being or did he not have a soul?’ After the Prophet Muhammad’s demise, non-Muslim inhabitants of the fast-expanding Islamic empire enjoyed the same dignified treatment. When Umar, Second Khalifa of Prophet Muhammad pbuh, conquered Jerusalem, he entered into a pact with all inhabitants of the city, declaring: In the name of Allah, the most Gracious, most Beneficent. This is a covenant of peace granted by the slave of Allah, the commander of the faithful ‘Umar to the people of Jerusalem. They are granted protection for their lives, their property, their churches, and their Crosses, in whatever condition they are. All of them are granted the same protection. No one will dwell in their churches, nor will they be destroyed and nothing will be reduced of their belongings. Nothing shall be taken from their Crosses or their property. There will be no compulsion on them regarding their religion, nor will any one of them be troubled. A dhimmi assassinated Umar in 644 CE. Rather than lashing out against dhimmis, at his deathbed, Umar specifically ordered: I urge him (i.e., the new Caliph) to take care of those non-Muslims who are under the protection of Allah and His Messenger in that he should observe the convention agreed upon with them, and fight on their behalf (to secure their safety) and he should not over-tax them beyond their capability. The example we see from Umar specifically condemns taxing dhimmis beyond what they can bear. Instead, Muslims were commanded to care for dhimmis, fight for dhimmis, and to keep dhimmis safe. Critics also allege that Umar enforced taxation on non-Muslims populations under penalty of death. To support this assertion, they cite the Qur’an 9:29: Nowhere does the said verse suggest that death is a penalty for not paying your taxes. The Qur’an has mentioned the use of the death penalty elsewhere for other reasons, unrelated to tax evasion: And kill not the soul which Allah has forbidden except for just cause. And whoso is killed wrongfully, We have surely given his heir authority to demand retaliation, but let him not exceed the prescribed bounds in slaying; for therein he is helped by law. Islam has reserved the death penalty for such crimes as treason, murder, or other severe acts of violence that shock the conscience. Umar, Second Khalifa of Prophet Muhammad(sa), never sentenced a non-Muslim to death for not paying his taxes. Critics allege that Muslim immigrants to Western nations consider themselves “divinely entitled” to the welfare payments they receive in these countries. Quoting the following verse, they claim that Muslims consider the Western nations their dhimmis and such welfare payment the jizya. Fight those from among the People of the Book who believe not in Allah, nor in the Last Day, nor hold as unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have declared to be unlawful, nor follow the true religion, until they pay the tax considering a favor and acknowledge their subjection. Obviously, even plainly reading this verse demonstrates that no connection exists between the allegation and the verse itself. Having established that Islam required Muslims to protect dhimmis with equal and just treatment, we transition to the allegations regarding jizya. Remember, the term dhimmi literally means “protected.” If no such protection existed, such minority communities could potentially be exploited. The jizya tax was the only tax imposed on non-Muslims, and it was less in number and amount than taxes on the Muslims of that state. The term jizya comes from same Arabic root as jaza’ which means “reward” and “compensation.” So according to Shariah law, that money returned to the minorities. The jizya tax, like other taxes, creates accountability on the part of the government to do right by its citizens—not unlike governments that deal with immigration and minority communities. In Christian ruled Sicily, for example, the Christian officials had such a tax for minorities—and they too called it jizya. Thus, non-Muslims paid jizya as free citizens of the Muslim State in return for protection of their civil and political liberties. Aside from this, critics also hide the fact that Muslims were also taxed. The tax levied on Muslims was on some occasions a heavier tax than the jizya. Additionally, Muslims were obligated to perform military service, from which all non-Muslims were exempt. Jizya served as the sole citizen tax to assure protection from all foreign attacks. Thus, if protection could not be promised then jizya was impermissible. In his book “The Preaching of Islam,” Thomas Arnold records a statement of the Muslim general, Khalid bin Waleed, “In a treaty made by Khalid with some town in the neighborhood of Hirah, he writes; ‘If we protect you, then Jizya is due to us; but if we do not, then it is not.’” Abu Ubaida was a famous Muslim commander of Syria. When he entered the city of Hims, he made a pact with its non-Muslim inhabitants and collected the jizya as agreed. When the Muslims learned of a massive advance towards the city by the Roman Emperor Heraclius, they felt they would not be able to protect its citizens. Consequently, Abu Ubaida ordered all the dues taken as jizya to be returned to the people of the city. He said to the people of the city, “We are not able to defend you anymore and now you have complete authority over your matters.” Al-Azdi records Abu Ubaida’s statement as follows: We have returned your wealth back to you because we detest taking your wealth and then failing to protect your land. We are moving to another area and have called upon our brethren, and then we will fight our enemy. If Allah helps us defeat them we shall fulfill our covenant with you except that you yourselves do not like it then. More powerful, however, than the Muslims’ kind treatment, is the response that the people of Hims gave to the Muslims. They replied: Verily your rule and justice is dearer to us than the tyranny and oppression in which we used to live. May God again make you ruler over us and may God’s curse be upon the Byzantines who used to rule over us. By the Lord, had it been they, they would have never returned us anything; instead they would have ceased all they could from our possessions. These so-called “oppressed” dhimmis openly declared their desire to be under Muslim rule because it was just and fair. The famous French political thinker, Montesquieu, also highlights the fair treatment of non-Muslim citizens in Muslim lands: It was this excess of taxes that occasioned the prodigious facility with which the Mahometans carried on their conquests. Instead of a continual series of extortions devised by the subtle avarice of the Greek emperors, the people were subjected to a simple tribute which was paid and collected with ease. Professor Bernard Lewis observes that dhimmis welcomed the change from Byzantine to Arab rule who, “found the new yoke far lighter than the old, both in taxation and in other matters, and that some even among the Christians of Syria and Egypt preferred the rule of Islam to that of Byzantines.” https://www.alislam.org/question/does-islam-oppress-dhimmis-and-demand-jizya-or-death/ This will help you understand Jizya. https://www.britannica.com/topic/jizya Even though I know you understood perfectly well but chose a tafsir that smoothens your narrative.
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| Re: Sultan Muhammad Sa’ad Abubakar Ask Muslims To Look Out For New Moon by fortran12: 5:17pm On Jun 08, 2020 |
Xposed2020:Quote me from your books not Britannia. Or is the Britannica or more value than your religious books. The Britannica will white wash it. I.will still refer to the pact of umar. The jizyiah was to subjugate the. People. Some content in the pact said don't say salat to the jews and Christians , force them to the narrow path if you encounter them on the way. Muslims instigate wars and conquer people. Muslims always the aggressor. Or you want to tell me all the battles the Muslims fought was in self defense |
| Re: Sultan Muhammad Sa’ad Abubakar Ask Muslims To Look Out For New Moon by fortran12: 5:19pm On Jun 08, 2020 |
[quote author=Xposed2020 post=90448297][/quote]Look again i asked a question if Mohammed brought allah how come his fatherr was bearing abdullah? |
| Re: Sultan Muhammad Sa’ad Abubakar Ask Muslims To Look Out For New Moon by fortran12: 5:23pm On Jun 08, 2020 |
Xposed2020:So ibn Khatir was a radical muslim right? We should disregard all his text. Did he make up all his preaching? Or these are things he heard Mohammed say. |
| Re: Sultan Muhammad Sa’ad Abubakar Ask Muslims To Look Out For New Moon by fortran12: 5:26pm On Jun 08, 2020 |
Xposed2020:Quote from your hadith. Mohammed did not free him before he died. Did Mohammed refer to his head like that of a resin or not. Answer the questions and don't quote me white washed text.use your Islamic sources. |
| Re: Sultan Muhammad Sa’ad Abubakar Ask Muslims To Look Out For New Moon by fortran12: 5:30pm On Jun 08, 2020 |
Xposed2020:So Mohammed wanted to raid the ppl for what? Blonde girls and servants? What evil did they commit against him. We all know Mohammed liked women. 11 wives and numerous concubines. He even asked if women will give themselves to him. Just like he attacked khybar for no valid reason |
| Re: Sultan Muhammad Sa’ad Abubakar Ask Muslims To Look Out For New Moon by fortran12: 5:32pm On Jun 08, 2020 |
Xposed2020:Jesus is part of the Trinity. The one through whom things were created. |
| Re: Sultan Muhammad Sa’ad Abubakar Ask Muslims To Look Out For New Moon by fortran12: 11:44pm On Jun 08, 2020 |
Xposed2020:Stop cherry picking, tell the whole story |
| Re: Sultan Muhammad Sa’ad Abubakar Ask Muslims To Look Out For New Moon by fortran12: 11:59pm On Jun 08, 2020 |
Xposed2020:Lets start from here O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily Allah guideth not a people unjust. - Quran 5 vs 51. and lets stop here Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instill terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them." Quran 8 vs12 |
| Re: Sultan Muhammad Sa’ad Abubakar Ask Muslims To Look Out For New Moon by Nobody: 11:59am On Jun 09, 2020 |
fortran12:Did he or did he not? |
| Re: Sultan Muhammad Sa’ad Abubakar Ask Muslims To Look Out For New Moon by Nobody: 12:05pm On Jun 09, 2020 |
fortran12:That's the point. So all decision taking was with his inputs. Even though we are made to understand "the word was God". Had it been " the word was God's" , one will absorb Jesus of all killings, massacre, sex slaves, murder attempt because God the creator could do as He pleases & who are we to question Him. But its either Jesus has stake in divinity or he doesn't. The decision is left for Christians. Accept his divinity & he is complicit, denounce it and Christianity crumbles. |
| Re: Sultan Muhammad Sa’ad Abubakar Ask Muslims To Look Out For New Moon by Nobody: 12:14pm On Jun 09, 2020 |
fortran12:Because God Almighty hates Unbelievers, and at that these set on unbelievers are either hostile towards the beliversor or break their oath/covenant with the believers. Examples that God hate unbelievers as seen in .... Of the Bible. |
| Re: Sultan Muhammad Sa’ad Abubakar Ask Muslims To Look Out For New Moon by Nobody: 12:20pm On Jun 09, 2020*. Modified: 1:05pm On Jun 09, 2020 |
fortran12:Who made the statement @ 1st bolded? Do you have a problem with what God said in the Qur'an? Did you question Jesus' decisions or had problem with what he did & said in the Bible? This occured in the Bible and you are okay with it; Deuteronomy (7:1-4): When the Lord, your God, brings you into the land to which you are coming to possess it, He will cast away many nations from before you: the Hittites, the Girgashites, the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Perizzites, the Hivvites, and the Jebusites, seven nations more numerous and powerful that you. And the Lord, your God, will deliver them to you, and you shall smite them. You shall utterly destroy them; neither shall you make a covenant with them, nor be gracious to them. You shall not intermarry with them; you shall not give your daughter to his son, and you shall not take his daughter for your son. For he will turn away your son from following Me, and they will worship the gods of others, and the wrath of the Lord will be kindled against you, and He will quickly destroy you. But you now have a problem with it since it involves Islam, Muslims and Qur'an. Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instill terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them." Quran 8 vs12 Do you see the hypocrisy of Christians. We Muslims only pinpoint all these events in the Bible not to question God's will but show God allowed it for reasons best known to Him in the Qur'an & Bible. When we have a discourse with you people it is just to show you the mistakes & contradiction in your faith and scripture so you can be saved and not to question or challenge God's authority. |
| Re: Sultan Muhammad Sa’ad Abubakar Ask Muslims To Look Out For New Moon by Nobody: 12:28pm On Jun 09, 2020 |
fortran12:Look. Christians don't believe the Qur'an so a Muslim has to explain to a Christian using what he/she believes most. Bible & Scientific documents/ western dictionary etc. I showed you the Qur'anic verse about jizya that says it is willingly but you chose to believe a "pact" because of your ulterior motive. Do you see your problem as a Christian and why we use yr scripture and other means to explain to you now. I have answered over five questions but you kept asking about them over and over again. That's the only argument a Christian tries to use since they realized the Qur'an is infallible unlike their Scripture. I have shown you the Qur'anic verse on jizya and gave you a long writeup to buttress my point. If you don't believe the Qur'an, you can hold on to tafsir or "pact" ![]() I know you are disappointed that it wasn't an ambiguous statement in the Qur'an with regards to jizya or It did not say forcefully collect. But God says collect willingly and you have a problem with that?
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| Re: Sultan Muhammad Sa’ad Abubakar Ask Muslims To Look Out For New Moon by Nobody: 1:09pm On Jun 09, 2020*. Modified: 1:51pm On Jun 09, 2020 |
fortran12:At least he was never accused of being gay then or now. Besides he had more than 12 disciples and not all of them were of same sex. And he did not destroy Sodom & Gomorrah for the same sexual orientation he had. |
| Re: Sultan Muhammad Sa’ad Abubakar Ask Muslims To Look Out For New Moon by Nobody: 1:19pm On Jun 09, 2020*. Modified: 1:46pm On Jun 09, 2020 |
fortran12:This also occured in the Bible and you are okay with it; Deuteronomy (7:1-4): When the Lord, your God, brings you into the land to which you are coming to possess it, He will cast away many nations from before you: the Hittites, the Girgashites, the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Perizzites, the Hivvites, and the Jebusites, seven nations more numerous and powerful that you. And the Lord, your God, will deliver them to you, and you shall smite them. You shall utterly destroy them; neither shall you make a covenant with them, nor be gracious to them. You shall not intermarry with them; you shall not give your daughter to his son, and you shall not take his daughter for your son. For he will turn away your son from following Me, and they will worship the gods of others, and the wrath of the Lord will be kindled against you, and He will quickly destroy you. The word used in Qur'an was Awliya which means Ally/Protector as against "friend" you Christians loved to used. Did you Question Jesus in Deut 7:1-4 ? But you need an answer from God in 5:51. Its optional to be a believer. But even at that I replied someone on same question typical of Christians - Have Christians & Jews not broken virtually all agreements they had with Muslims in the contemporary world? -Which means God's word is sacrosanct. - Christians & Jews don't honor there obligations. -Allies enter into covenant - Are Christians competing with God as Allies & protectors of Believers?
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| Re: Sultan Muhammad Sa’ad Abubakar Ask Muslims To Look Out For New Moon by Nobody: 1:28pm On Jun 09, 2020*. Modified: 1:50pm On Jun 09, 2020 |
fortran12:Why Question his authority in the Qur'an? ![]() Is it by force to be an Ally of unbelievers? God destroyed Unbelievers in numerous verses of the Bible yet you are not angry about that, its the Qur'anic verses that's your problem. |
| Re: Sultan Muhammad Sa’ad Abubakar Ask Muslims To Look Out For New Moon by Nobody: 1:31pm On Jun 09, 2020 |
fortran12:Do you support genocide? Murder of innocent women, children, animals, etc. Islam forbids this. |
| Re: Sultan Muhammad Sa’ad Abubakar Ask Muslims To Look Out For New Moon by Nobody: 1:35pm On Jun 09, 2020 |
fortran12:It is also in your scripture. In the process of absolving Jesus, you denounced Christianity. |
| Re: Sultan Muhammad Sa’ad Abubakar Ask Muslims To Look Out For New Moon by Nobody: 1:53pm On Jun 09, 2020 |
fortran12:I don't know. Do you take daddy freeze preaching? ![]() Did Daddy freeze made-up all his preachings or they are what he learnt from the Bible?
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| Re: Sultan Muhammad Sa’ad Abubakar Ask Muslims To Look Out For New Moon by Nobody: 1:59pm On Jun 09, 2020 |
fortran12:Origin of Racial discrimination brought by Jesus as an active member of Trinity. (Nehemiah 13:3, 23, 25, 27): And it came to pass, when they had heard the law, that they separated from Israel all the alien mixture… Also in those days, I saw the Jews who had married Ashdodite, Ammonite, and Moabite women… And I quarreled with them, and I cursed them, and I struck some of them, and I plucked out their hair, and I adjured them by G‑d, “You shall not give your daughters to their sons nor take their daughters either for your sons or for yourselves… Shall we then hearken to you to do all this great evil to betray our G‑d to marry foreign women?” |
| Re: Sultan Muhammad Sa’ad Abubakar Ask Muslims To Look Out For New Moon by fortran12: 2:07pm On Jun 09, 2020 |
Xposed2020:As you can see God forbade them to marry foreign women cos these would bring them to idolatry. Its the same thing with Solomon |
| Re: Sultan Muhammad Sa’ad Abubakar Ask Muslims To Look Out For New Moon by fortran12: 2:09pm On Jun 09, 2020 |
Xposed2020:I am not a member of DJ freeze's church and he has his own opinion. You still have not answered my question. Stop diverting attention with irrelevant comment I see as you threw your scholar under the bus to save your own skin. |
| Re: Sultan Muhammad Sa’ad Abubakar Ask Muslims To Look Out For New Moon by fortran12: 2:12pm On Jun 09, 2020 |
Xposed2020:Thank God at least we agree your prophet was a violent man. So next question. |
| Re: Sultan Muhammad Sa’ad Abubakar Ask Muslims To Look Out For New Moon by fortran12: 2:13pm On Jun 09, 2020 |
Xposed2020:But you can kill black dogs. First agree then i will explain. You always dodging answering questions |
| Re: Sultan Muhammad Sa’ad Abubakar Ask Muslims To Look Out For New Moon by fortran12: 2:16pm On Jun 09, 2020 |
Xposed2020:Cos the allah is an imagination from the mind of Mohammed. If Mohammed had left ppl alone. But noo, he had to go on a killing spree and asked his followers to attack Jews and Christians |
| Re: Sultan Muhammad Sa’ad Abubakar Ask Muslims To Look Out For New Moon by Nobody: 2:30pm On Jun 09, 2020 |
fortran12:Likewise Jesus ![]() |
| Re: Sultan Muhammad Sa’ad Abubakar Ask Muslims To Look Out For New Moon by Nobody: 2:31pm On Jun 09, 2020 |
fortran12:Never killed a dog because I never had to. |
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