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fortran12:
Thank God at least we agree your prophet was a violent man. So next question.

Thank God you agree all those fairy tales of Jesus being Mr nice guy ain't true.
He has been complicit from the word go.

fortran12:
As you can see God forbade them to marry foreign women cos these would bring them to idolatry. Its the same thing with Solomon

Alhamdulillah!
So for every order God gave in the Glorious Qur'an was for a reason.
You see the difference between you and I, is that I knew these all along but you don't know. I hardly question why all these happened in the Bible but only to awaken you from the self imposed slumber. I only pinpoint fabrications & interpolations in your Scripture.

fortran12:
I am not a member of DJ freeze's church and he has his own opinion.
You still have not answered my question. Stop diverting attention with irrelevant comment
I see as you threw your scholar under the bus to save your own skin.

Thought all preachers were reading from same Bible?
I told you to desist bringing preachers opinion.
I didn't throw anyone under the bus.
One can have a different view or opinion on same subject matter and its allowed.
Just as you had a different opinion with Daddy freeze.
I am bringing up most examples to show you what you are doing.

The cardinal point in Islam is that Allah is one & only He should be worshipped 5times daily and endeavour to do righteous deeds. And the Qur'an is the Major source of Authority in Islam.
Not anyone's opinion.
Any teachings, preaching or covenant that is in contrast to the Qur'an, it's null & void.

fortran12:
I am not a member of DJ freeze's church and he has his own opinion.
You still have not answered my question. Stop diverting attention with irrelevant comment
I see as you threw your scholar under the bus to save your own skin.

So I should not respond to your earlier irrelevant questions?
If you don't want irrelevant comments, then don't ask irrelevant questions at all.

fortran12:
Show me where Jesus was mentioned.if you can't your claim is false.

I have not started my discourse with you as I have my jottings of over 5 of 200 leaves hard cover books.
We have not talked of the contradictions littered all over the Bible, scientific inaccuracies, repetition of verses.

I am coming to all that gradually.

fortran12:
Quote me from your books not Britannia. Or is the Britannica or more value than your religious books. The Britannica will white wash it.
I.will still refer to the pact of umar. The jizyiah was to subjugate the. People. Some content in the pact said don't say salat to the jews and Christians , force them to the narrow path if you encounter them on the way.
Muslims instigate wars and conquer people. Muslims always the aggressor. Or you want to tell me all the battles the Muslims fought was in self defense

https://www.al-islam.org/the-message-ayatullah-jafar-subhani/chapter-53-battle-tabuk

https://www.al-islam.org/restatement-history-islam-and-muslims-sayyid-ali-ashgar-razwy/expedition-tabuk

Even the Tabuk you love to mention, was a defensive ops.
If God instruct them to defend themselves they shouldn't because of Fortran12 doesn't agree to that?
Why didn't you challenge God in all those places in the Bible?
If you have a problem with battles Muslims fought during the lifetime of prophet Muhammad pbuh, kindly direct it to God Almighty & ask Him why sanction it as He did in the Bible.
When a christain challenges a Muslim on war, you will think as if no single war or bloodshed in the Bible.

fortran12:
I am not a member of DJ freeze's church and he has his own opinion.
You still have not answered my question. Stop diverting attention with irrelevant comment
I see as you threw your scholar under the bus to save your own skin.

I gave you Qur'anic verses and you are still bringing someone's opinion.
Is Daddy Freeze not also your scholar that you deny to save your skin?
Anyway Judas did it, the disciples did same and finally the Father forsook the son for obvious reasons.

Xposed2020:
I gave you Qur'anic verses and you are still bringing someone's opinion.
Is Daddy Freeze not also your scholar that you deny to save your skin?
Anyway Judas did it, the disciples did same and finally the Father forsook the son for obvious reasons.

I asked you a question is ibn khatir a radical muslim?
I know you don't agree with him so no need yo send proof. Just answer my question

Xposed2020:
https://www.al-islam.org/the-message-ayatullah-jafar-subhani/chapter-53-battle-tabuk

https://www.al-islam.org/restatement-history-islam-and-muslims-sayyid-ali-ashgar-razwy/expedition-tabuk

Even the Tabuk you love to mention, was a defensive ops.
If God instruct them to defend themselves they shouldn't because of Fortran12 doesn't agree to that?
Why didn't you challenge God in all those places in the Bible?
If you have a problem with battles Muslims fought during the lifetime of prophet Muhammad pbuh, kindly direct it to God Almighty & ask Him why sanction it as He did in the Bible.
When a christain challenges a Muslim on war, you will think as if no single war or bloodshed in the Bible.

So the ppl if khybar attacked Mohammad?

Xposed2020:
Thought all preachers were reading from same Bible?
I told you to desist bringing preachers opinion.
I didn't throw anyone under the bus.
One can have a different view or opinion on same subject matter and its allowed.
Just as you had a different opinion with Daddy freeze.
I am bringing up most examples to show you what you are doing.

The cardinal point in Islam is that Allah is one & only He should be worshipped 5times daily and endeavour to do righteous deeds. And the Qur'an is the Major source of Authority in Islam.
Not anyone's opinion.
Any teachings, preaching or covenant that is in contrast to the Qur'an, it's null & void.

That's why Shia and Sunni kill themselves all the time right?

Xposed2020:
Never killed a dog because I never had to.

Your prophet i mean. He said the black dog is the devil. And also it scares angels.
You aways avoid questions. I asked about mohammed's slave that used to shout the Adhan while he sleeps soundly, you ignored the question as well as others

Xposed2020:
Alhamdulillah!
So for every order God gave in the Glorious Qur'an was for a reason.
You see the difference between you and I, is that I knew these all along but you don't know. I hardly question why all these happened in the Bible but only to awaken you from the self imposed slumber. I only pinpoint fabrications & interpolations in your Scripture.

What are you talking about? Which glorious Qur'an? The one a sheep ate parts of?

Xposed2020:
Likewise Jesus

So you agree Mohammed.was possessed.

Xposed2020:
I don't know.
Do you take daddy freeze preaching?
Did Daddy freeze made-up all his preachings or they are what he learnt from the Bible?

See your response" i don't know" . you using me to practice taquiyya

Xposed2020:
That's the point.
So all decision taking was with his inputs. Even though we are made to understand "the word was God".
Had it been " the word was God's" , one will absorb Jesus of all killings, massacre, sex slaves, murder attempt because God the creator could do as He pleases & who are we to question Him.
But its either Jesus has stake in divinity or he doesn't.
The decision is left for Christians.
Accept his divinity & he is complicit, denounce it and Christianity crumbles.

If this same God spoke to Moses and Abraham, and Mohammed claims it was Allah that spoke to these 2.
Am sure you know What that means.

fortran12:
If this same God spoke to Moses and Abraham, and Mohammed claims it was Allah that spoke to these 2.
Am sure you know What that means.

I don't

fortran12:
See your response" i don't know" . you using me to practice taquiyya

Answer the question and stop bringing "irrelevant comments
."
Want brought taquiyya here again. Or you are just hearing it for the first time?
Typical of a Christian.
Why did you throw the 32scholars of highest eminence backed by 50 cooperating denominations under the bus just to save your skin. Due to shame, you cannot admit what they realized (interpolation in the Bible by humans under "guidance" ) not found in earlier manuscripts was more Correct than your KJV.

fortran12:
See your response" i don't know" . you using me to practice taquiyya

Do you want me to lie or assume all knowing?
Nahhhh.
Just like it took you days to come up with lies about John 3:16, bosom of Abraham, in paradise, we all know it doesn't fit. But I just let it at least I allow you so that the discourse can continue.

fortran12:
So you agree Mohammed.was possessed.

Only Jesus was.

fortran12:
What are you talking about? Which glorious Qur'an? The one a sheep ate parts of?

Childish!

fortran12:
Your prophet i mean. He said the black dog is the devil. And also it scares angels.
You aways avoid questions. I asked about mohammed's slave that used to shout the Adhan while he sleeps soundly, you ignored the question as well as others

Answer me I answer you
Besides I already gave you all you need to know about Bilal. If you fail to read, that's your problem.
You are bereft of argument that's why you kept on repeating same questions.
I have done Justice on the subject on Bilal, so go back and read it.
Same on Jizya.
Servant/Slaves of God and others.
Also gave you Qur'anic evidence but typical of you, you don't want Qur'anic sources rather you prefer what smoothens yr narrative which was tafsir of a single scholar else taqqiya meanwhile you denounced 32 Christian scholars back . . . earlier.

Enough of this digressing. Well let's get started.

fortran12:
Your prophet i mean. He said the black dog is the devil. And also it scares angels.
You aways avoid questions. I asked about mohammed's slave that used to shout the Adhan while he sleeps soundly, you ignored the question as well as others

When the foundation of your faith is shaky, you are here talking about black dog.

fortran12:
Stop cherry picking, tell the whole story

I'm no story teller.
Remember if Jesus is part of Divinity & Trinity, then all verses of the Bible, instructions were given by him to all prophets & as such they carry out his bidding to the latter. Remember the word was God.

Xposed2020:
When the foundation of your faith is shaky, you are here talking about black dog.

Using style to avoid answering my questions

Xposed2020:
Answer me I answer you
Besides I already gave you all you need to know about Bilal. If you fail to read, that's your problem.
You are bereft of argument that's why you kept on repeating same questions.
I have done Justice on the subject on Bilal, so go back and read it.
Same on Jizya.
Servant/Slaves of God and others.
Also gave you Qur'anic evidence but typical of you, you don't want Qur'anic sources rather you prefer what smoothens yr narrative which was tafsir of a single scholar else taqqiya meanwhile you denounced 32 Christian scholars back . . . earlier.

Enough of this digressing. Well let's get started.

I asked you a question answer it. I know about bilial already. Did Mohammed racially abuse him by calling him a resin head? Why did Mohammed not free him despite him being a Muslim. Is it cos he is black?

fortran12:
Lets start from here
O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily Allah guideth not a people unjust. - Quran 5 vs 51.

and lets stop here

Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instill terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them."
Quran 8 vs12

Unknown to you this is one of 3 verses Christians love so much. But as in tabuk, this one too is for self-defense as most battles.

Prior to Qur'an 33:26-27,


(33:9) Believers, call to mind Allah's favour to you when enemy hosts invaded you. [/b]Then We sent against them a wind and hosts that you did not see although Allah was observing all that you were then doing.

(33:10) When they came upon you from above you and from below you, when your eyes were stupefied with horror and your hearts leapt to your throats, and you began to entertain diverse thoughts about Allah.

(33:14) [b]If the enemy were to enter the town from various directions, and they were summoned to act treacherously, they would have succumbed to it and would have shown little reluctance in doing so.

(33:16) (O Prophet), tell them: “If you run away from death or slaying, this flight will not avail you. You will have little time after that to enjoy (the pleasures of life).”

(33:25) Allah sent back the unbelievers empty-handed, their hearts seething with rage. Allah sufficed the believers in their fight. Allah is Most Powerful, Most Mighty.

(33:26) Allah brought down from their fortresses those People of the Book who had supported the invading confederates and cast such terror into their hearts that some of them you kill and some of them you take captive.

(33:27) Allah made you inherit their land, their dwellings, and their goods, and a piece of land on which you had not yet trodden. Verily Allah has power over all things.

Xposed2020:
Childish!

Its embarrassing right? You know i tell the truth. You are really skilled at evading questions and using red herring fallacies. But u have met your match.
Did a sheep eat part of the Qur'an about adult breast feeding or not?

fortran12:
I asked you a question answer it. I know about bilial already. Did Mohammed racially abuse him by calling him a resin head? Why did Mohammed not free him despite him being a Muslim. Is it cos he is black?

Go back and read my previous response.
If you actually did read, you won't ask this stupid question.

Xposed2020:
Unknown to you this is one of 3 verses Christians love so much. But as in tabuk, this one too is for self-defense as most battles.

Prior to Qur'an 33:26-27,


(33:9) Believers, call to mind Allah's favour to you when enemy hosts invaded you. [/b]Then We sent against them a wind and hosts that you did not see although Allah was observing all that you were then doing.

(33:10) When they came upon you from above you and from below you, when your eyes were stupefied with horror and your hearts leapt to your throats, and you began to entertain diverse thoughts about Allah.

(33:14) [b]If the enemy were to enter the town from various directions, and they were summoned to act treacherously, they would have succumbed to it and would have shown little reluctance in doing so.

(33:16) (O Prophet), tell them: “If you run away from death or slaying, this flight will not avail you. You will have little time after that to enjoy (the pleasures of life).”

(33:25) Allah sent back the unbelievers empty-handed, their hearts seething with rage. Allah sufficed the believers in their fight. Allah is Most Powerful, Most Mighty.

(33:26) Allah brought down from their fortresses those People of the Book who had supported the invading confederates and cast such terror into their hearts that some of them you kill and some of them you take captive.

(33:27) Allah made you inherit their land, their dwellings, and their goods, and a piece of land on which you had not yet trodden. Verily Allah has power over all things.

Ok so tell me when Christians invaded or attacked Mohammed

fortran12:
Its embarrassing right? You know i tell the truth. You are really skilled at evading questions and using red herring fallacies. But u have met your match.
Did a sheep eat part of the Qur'an about adult breast feeding or not?

Match ke.
You are the least person I hv ever had discourse with.
You denounced your faith because you don't want Jesus to be associated with violence now.
Its all over the net.
Have you forgotten

Xposed2020:
Go back and read my previous response.
If you actually did read, you won't ask this question.

I am asking you specific questions. I know about bililal . did Mohammed do the things i stated or not.

Xposed2020:
Match ke.
You are the least person I hv ever had discourse with.
You denounced your faith because you don't want Jesus to be associated with violence now.
Its all over the net.
Have you forgotten

Answer my question. Stop diverting. Answer it.
Na only denounce faith.
Answer my question if you are sure of your self.