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fortran12:
Ok so tell me when Christians invaded or attacked Mohammed

Read your copy of Qur'an as you claimed to know why he migrated.

Xposed2020:
Answer the question and stop bringing "irrelevant comments
."
Want brought taquiyya here again. Or you are just hearing it for the first time?
Typical of a Christian.
Why did you throw the 32scholars of highest eminence backed by 50 cooperating denominations under the bus just to save your skin. Due to shame, you cannot admit what they realized (interpolation in the Bible by humans under "guidance" ) not found in earlier manuscripts was more Correct than your KJV.

Highest eminence for ESV that most Christians don't use. Out of thousands of scholars why do 32 matter? Jehovah's witness have their version too. Catholics have theirs. But most Christians know the original one so they dont bother with wrong translations

Xposed2020:
Match ke.
You are the least person I hv ever had discourse with.
You denounced your faith because you don't want Jesus to be associated with violence now.
Its all over the net.
Have you forgotten

I am the least person you have ever discussed with yet you can't answer simple questions. If you so good why fall into fallacy?

fortran12:
That's why Shia and Sunni kill themselves all the time right?

Sectarian violence between Protestants & Catholics all over Europe. Shocked.
I have much more.
You guys hate yr guts with passion.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sectarian_violence_among_Christians

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LkWgukT9HU


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86nLtVleoMc


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhBR-JH5vJw

Xposed2020:
Do you want me to lie or assume all knowing?
Nahhhh.
Just like it took you days to come up with lies about John 3:16, bosom of Abraham, in paradise, we all know it doesn't fit. But I just let it at least I allow you so that the discourse can continue.

Its your book that contains lies. Lies like the sister of moses was the mother of Jesus. Samaritans in the time of Moses, Solomon and his flying carpet that can carry his entire kingdom, Solomon hearing ants talk despite ants being mute, allah being the one that created the mule despite the fact that a mule is a cross between 2 animals

fortran12:
I am the least person you have ever discussed with yet you can't answer simple questions. If you so good why fall into fallacy?

I have a principle, if the respond to a question & you ask again, I don't repeat myself because it means you were not following & not interested. So its a waste of time.

fortran12:
Its your book that contains lies. Lies like the sister of moses was the mother of Jesus. Samaritans in the time of Moses, Solomon and his flying carpet that can carry his entire kingdom, Solomon hearing ants talk despite ants being mute, allah being the one that created the mule despite the fact that a mule is a cross between 2 animals

When you lord Jesus said earth has four corner where were you?

When he said earth is flat, can't you put him through atleast you went to school.

And many other blunders ?
If they ain't lies then what's a lie?

Xposed2020:
I have a principle, if the respond to a question & you ask again, I don't repeat myself because it means you were not following & not interested. So its a waste of time.

Lol. Run away like your guys. I asked a specific question. Answer, you are telling me history.
I have mentioned all along that you have been ignoring questions. Instead either you show a video or post a long copy and paste.
If you are as good as u claim you are. Answer me.

Xposed2020:
When you lord Jesus said earth has four corner where were you?

When he said earth is flat, can't you put him through atleast you went to school.

And many other blunders ?
If they ain't lies then what's a lie?

I made my claims first refute them. And also the last questions i asked. Answer if you are so sure.
I answer all your questions. Do same for me
Thanks

fortran12:
I made my claims first refute them. And also the last questions i asked. Answer if you are so sure.
I answer all your questions. Do same for me
Thanks

Are you scared?
You can't defend the indefensible men.

fortran12:
Lol. Run away like your guys. I asked a specific question. Answer, you are telling me history.
I have mentioned all along that you have been ignoring questions. Instead either you show a video or post a long copy and paste.
If you are as good as u claim you are. Answer me.

Or Tafsir

fortran12:
I made my claims first refute them. And also the last questions i asked. Answer if you are so sure.
I answer all your questions. Do same for me
Thanks

Comeback kid.
You going nowhere.

Xposed2020:
Are you scared?
You can't defend the indefensible men.

Answer e. Why are u running?

Xposed2020:
Comeback kid.
You going nowhere.

Am waiting for answers. I can go on for years

fortran12:
I made my claims first refute them. And also the last questions i asked. Answer if you are so sure.
I answer all your questions. Do same for me
Thanks

Well, lemme assist you for those who care to listen.
How Christianity was founded.

- Miraculous Birth of Christ.

Adam (1Timothy 2:13) and Melchizedek (Hebrew 7:3) were without father and mother unlike Jesus that has mother (Matthew 1;16).

- People saw Jesus performing miracles just as others before him did (Joshua; the sun & moon stood still Joshua 10:12-14, Aaron; Exodus 7:10-12, 7:20-25, 18:5-14, Exodus 7, 8, 9, 10, 12, 14, 15, 16, 17; Num 17:8, 20:7-11, 21:8-9, Joshua 3:14-17; Elisah raised the shunammite's son 2kings 4:32-37, 2king chapter 2, 3, 4 & 5; Dead man raised by touching his bone (2kings 13:21) Daniel 6:16-23; Jonah 2:1-10;
https://www.bible-history.com/old-testament/miracles.html )

https://www.learnreligions.com/people-raised-from-the-dead-in-the-bible-4109363

lots more and decided to worship him just as Robert Powell who cast as Jesus Christ (In the 1977 movies, Jesus of Nazareth) is presently worshipped by Christians.
https://www.thenewsnigeria.com.ng/2016/01/30/stop-worshipping-me-i-am-not-the-real-jesus-actor/amp/

Origin of Salvation
- Caiaphas the high priest that year told the Jewish leaders "it's expedient Jesus die for others" so that the Romans won't kill & take over their land (John 11:50, 18:14).
So from that day on, the Jews plotted to take Jesus' life which prompted him into hiding for his dear life. (John 11:53-54). They tried to kill Jesus by obtaining false testimony (Matt 26:59).
Besides the high priest has a bad character.

- The signs of Jonah was not fulfilled (Jonah being alive in the belly of the whale for 3days, 3 nights as against Jesus "dead" for 1day, 2nights).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euWnszt47wg

- Jesus attest not to have ascended.

Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God. (John 20:17).

- Jesus denounce divinity on numerous occasions but the people won't take no for an answer.

“But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone (Matthew 24:36).

I can do nothing on my own. I judge as God tells me. Therefore, my judgment is just, because I carry out the will of the one who sent me, not my own will. (John 5:30).

"You heard that I said to you, 'I go away, and I will come to you.' If you loved Me, you would have rejoiced, because I go to the Father; for the Father is greater than I.'" (John 14:28).

No, it is rather by means of God's power that I drive out demons, and this proves that the Kingdom of God has already come to you. (Luke 11:20; Matthew 12:28).

My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand.
(John 10:29).

“Men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a man attested to you by God with mighty works and wonders and signs that God did through him in your midst, as you yourselves know (Acts 2:22).

- Jesus Christ came for the Jews only according to his testimony, he was sent ONLY to the lost sheep of the house of Israel/Jews. (Matthew 15:24, Matthew 10:6, Romans 9:11).

- But Jesus will come back to save the World

Nope! He was kept as a witness against those that thought he was God and worshipped him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_Ume7SE_is

FELLOW BRETHREN PLEASE READ YOUR SCRIPTURE YOUR SELF AND NOT YOUR PASTOR OR EUROPEANS.
Peace be unto you!

Xposed2020:
Well, lemme assist you for those who care to listen.
How Christianity was founded.

- Miraculous Birth of Christ.

Adam (1Timothy 2:13) and Melchizedek (Hebrew 7:3) were without father and mother unlike Jesus that has mother (Matthew 1;16).

- People saw Jesus performing miracles just as others before him did (Joshua; the sun & moon stood still Joshua 10:12-14, Aaron; Exodus 7:10-12, 7:20-25, 18:5-14, Exodus 7, 8, 9, 10, 12, 14, 15, 16, 17; Num 17:8, 20:7-11, 21:8-9, Joshua 3:14-17; Elisah raised the shunammite's son 2kings 4:32-37, 2king chapter 2, 3, 4 & 5; Dead man raised by touching his bone (2kings 13:21) Daniel 6:16-23; Jonah 2:1-10;
https://www.bible-history.com/old-testament/miracles.html )

https://www.learnreligions.com/people-raised-from-the-dead-in-the-bible-4109363

lots more and decided to worship him just as Robert Powell who cast as Jesus Christ (In the 1977 movies, Jesus of Nazareth) is presently worshipped by Christians.
https://www.thenewsnigeria.com.ng/2016/01/30/stop-worshipping-me-i-am-not-the-real-jesus-actor/amp/

Origin of Salvation
- Caiaphas the high priest that year told the Jewish leaders "it's expedient Jesus die for others" so that the Romans won't kill & take over their land (John 11:50, 18:14).
So from that day on, the Jews plotted to take Jesus' life which prompted him into hiding for his dear life. (John 11:53-54). They tried to kill Jesus by obtaining false testimony (Matt 26:59).
Besides the high priest has a bad character.

- The signs of Jonah was not fulfilled (Jonah being alive in the belly of the whale for 3days, 3 nights as against Jesus "dead" for 1day, 2nights).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euWnszt47wg

- Jesus attest not to have ascended.

Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God. (John 20:17).

- Jesus denounce divinity on numerous occasions but the people won't take no for an answer.

“But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone (Matthew 24:36).

I can do nothing on my own. I judge as God tells me. Therefore, my judgment is just, because I carry out the will of the one who sent me, not my own will. (John 5:30).

"You heard that I said to you, 'I go away, and I will come to you.' If you loved Me, you would have rejoiced, because I go to the Father; for the Father is greater than I.'" (John 14:28).

No, it is rather by means of God's power that I drive out demons, and this proves that the Kingdom of God has already come to you. (Luke 11:20; Matthew 12:28).

My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand.
(John 10:29).

“Men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a man attested to you by God with mighty works and wonders and signs that God did through him in your midst, as you yourselves know (Acts 2:22).

- Jesus Christ came for the Jews only according to his testimony, he was sent ONLY to the lost sheep of the house of Israel/Jews. (Matthew 15:24, Matthew 10:6, Romans 9:11).

- But Jesus will come back to save the World

Nope! He was kept as a witness against those that thought he was God and worshipped him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_Ume7SE_is

FELLOW BRETHREN PLEASE READ YOUR SCRIPTURE YOUR SELF AND NOT YOUR PASTOR OR EUROPEANS.
Peace be unto you!

Do you know i asked some questions first.
So answer . you are fond of trying to take control of the conversation. This time i will not allow you. Answer me.
Thanks

fortran12:
Am waiting for answers. I can go on for years

the Protoevangelium of James. This non canonical gospel was actually composed some time in the 2nd century AD. It is very known in most churches, including oriental churches. Of course, it is of dubious source, but it has been well known and illustrated in whole Christianity.

And Joseph, throwing away his axe, went out to meet them (= the Mary's parents); and when they had assembled, they went away to the high priest, taking with them their rods. And he, taking the rods of all of them, entered into the temple, and prayed; and having ended his prayer, he took the rods and came out, and gave them to them: but there was no sign in them, and Joseph took his rod last; and, behold, a dove came out of the rod, and flew upon Joseph's head. And the priest said to Joseph, You have been chosen by lot to take into your keeping the virgin of the Lord. But Joseph refused, saying: I have children, and I am an old man, and she is a young girl. I am afraid lest I become a laughing-stock to the sons of Israel. And the priest said to Joseph: Fear the Lord your God, and remember what the Lord did to Dathan, and Abiram, and Korah; how the earth opened, and they were swallowed up on account of their contradiction. And now fear, O Joseph, lest the same things happen in your house. And Joseph was afraid, and took her into his keeping. And Joseph said to Mary: Behold, I have received you from the temple of the Lord; and now I leave you in my house, and go away to build my buildings, and I shall come to you. The Lord will protect you.

Kindly explain If a 90 years old papa can marry a 14 year old girl in Christianity.

fortran12:
Do you know i asked some questions first.
So answer . you are fond of trying to take control of the conversation. This time i will not allow you. Answer me.
Thanks

I swear you are afraid.
Is earth flat or with 4 corners?

Is it sin the cause of illness & Death?
Please help the Bible answer these simple questions.
Call a friend if you don't know.

Xposed2020:
the Protoevangelium of James. This non canonical gospel was actually composed some time in the 2nd century AD. It is very known in most churches, including oriental churches. Of course, it is of dubious source, but it has been well known and illustrated in whole Christianity.

And Joseph, throwing away his axe, went out to meet them (= the Mary's parents); and when they had assembled, they went away to the high priest, taking with them their rods. And he, taking the rods of all of them, entered into the temple, and prayed; and having ended his prayer, he took the rods and came out, and gave them to them: but there was no sign in them, and Joseph took his rod last; and, behold, a dove came out of the rod, and flew upon Joseph's head. And the priest said to Joseph, You have been chosen by lot to take into your keeping the virgin of the Lord. But Joseph refused, saying: I have children, and I am an old man, and she is a young girl. I am afraid lest I become a laughing-stock to the sons of Israel. And the priest said to Joseph: Fear the Lord your God, and remember what the Lord did to Dathan, and Abiram, and Korah; how the earth opened, and they were swallowed up on account of their contradiction. And now fear, O Joseph, lest the same things happen in your house. And Joseph was afraid, and took her into his keeping. And Joseph said to Mary: Behold, I have received you from the temple of the Lord; and now I leave you in my house, and go away to build my buildings, and I shall come to you. The Lord will protect you.


So Old Joseph of 90 years took young Mary of 12 yrs without marriage and is ashamed of being a laughing stock.

Stop posting irrelevant posts. You are trying to divert from the answers i am demanding.answer my questions first then we can talk any thin else

fortran12:
Stop posting irrelevant posts. You are trying to divert from the answers i am demanding.answer my questions first then we can talk any thin else

Mind you, they are not tafsir oooo, but Biblical verses. Are you now saying the word of God is irrelevant? Well I forgot you guys have rights to blaspheme. We don't.

"God" Himself oversaw the writing of Bible so that the Bible can trusted as the perfect and infallible Word of God, even while it is also a product of human authorship (John 14:26, 1 Timothy 3:16, 2 Peter 1:19-21, Hebrews 4:12.)

Ultimately, we can say that God wrote the Bible since it is His revelation of Himself to us and He has preserved it so we would know the truth (2 Peter 1:3).

Xposed2020:
I swear you are afraid.
Is earth flat or with 4 corners?

Is it sin the cause of illness & Death?
Please help the Bible answer these simple questions.
Call a friend if you don't know.

Why are u being dishonest. I asked you questions first. Answer them.

fortran12:
Stop posting irrelevant posts. You are trying to divert from the answers i am demanding.answer my questions first then we can talk any thin else

If you realize, I do reply your questions that I missed later on.
But there are silly questions you asked that made me understood all the response I was doing was in vain.
Example.
Bilal wanted to remain with the prophet and was not his slave but was freed from his master, was even financial secretary which was in my response but when you asked why he wasn't freed, then I realised the kind of person I was dealing with. I initially placed you above your status & level until again you repeated same scenario for other subjects that I realized the task at hand.
Same thing when I gave you Qur'anic verses in the writeup & attached screenshot of the verse underlined some words on jizya, then at the end included Britannica link and your response was shocking. That you don't want Britannica, only Qur'an and later you were bringing tafsir that I should accept it against the Qur'anic verses I presented earlier.
You see the difference between me and you, is that I read my scripture myself and not allow someone to read the words of God and interprete it for me differently.

fortran12:
Why are u being dishonest. I asked you questions first. Answer them.

I have done Justice to those subject matters, but from you subsequent questions, I'll know if you scanned, went tru or even ignored my response.

fortran12:
Why are u being dishonest. I asked you questions first. Answer them.

Earth is about 6000 years old, as calculated from the genealogies in Gen and Luke 3. (see the problem of a young earth later in the outline)

Rainwater does not return to the sky (Isa 55:10).

The moon has a light of its own (Isa 13:10, Matt 24).

Whales were created before insects (Gen 1:21-24).

Some fowl and insects have four legs (Lev 11:20-23).

Cattle will produce striped offspring if they see striped poles when breeding (Gen 30:37-41).

Birds were created before land animals (Gen 1:20, 24). - Fossil record shows exact opposite.

Earth does not move (Ps 93:1, 96:10, 104:5, 1 Chr 16:30).

Death or illness is caused by sin (Gen 2:17, Lev 26:16, 21, 25, Deut 7:15, 28:21, 27, James 1:15).

Kindly attempt all questions, time allowed 24hrs.
Good luck.

I have lots more. When you are done, we will continue from there.

Xposed2020:
If you realize, I do reply your questions that I missed later on.
But there are silly questions you asked that made me understood all the response I was doing was in vain.
Example.
Bilal wanted to remain with the prophet and was not his slave but was freed from his master, was even financial secretary which was in my response but when you asked why he wasn't freed, then I realised the kind of person I was dealing with. I initially placed you above your status & level until again you repeated same scenario for other subjects that I realized the task at hand.
Same thing when I gave you Qur'anic verses in the writeup & attached screenshot of the verse underlined some words on jizya, then at the end included Britannica link and your response was shocking. That you don't want ....., only Qur'an and you were bringing tafsir that I should accept it against the Qur'anic verses.
You see the difference between me and you, is that I read my scripture myself and not allow someone to read the words of God and interprete it for me differently.

What about the resin head comment. Why did u ignore that one.

Xposed2020:
Earth is about 6000 years old, as calculated from the genealogies in Gen and Luke 3. (see the problem of a young earth later in the outline)

Rainwater does not return to the sky (Isa 55:10).

The moon has a light of its own (Isa 13:10, Matt 24).

Whales were created before insects (Gen 1:21-24).

Some fowl and insects have four legs (Lev 11:20-23).

Cattle will produce striped offspring if they see striped poles when breeding (Gen 30:37-41).

Birds were created before land animals (Gen 1:20, 24). - Fossil record shows exact opposite.

Earth does not move (Ps 93:1, 96:10, 104:5, 1 Chr 16:30).

Death or illness is caused by sin (Gen 2:17, Lev 26:16, 21, 25, Deut 7:15, 28:21, 27, James 1:15).

Kindly attempt all questions, time allowed 24hrs.
Good luck.

I have lots more. When you are done, we will continue from there.

Am happy about all these but you haven't answered my question about the sheep and the Quran, what happened with khybar and Mohammed etc.

fortran12:
What about the resin head comment. Why did u ignore that one.

Go back & read, then we talk.
My boss of blessed memory taught me something before the President said Nigerian Youths are Lazy.
We don't read to understand, no in depth analysis, we even barely glance yet we ask too much questions when most times the answers are therein.
Go back and read then come up with questions & Insha Allah I'll respond approximately.
I'll can promise you , non of my questions will you answer.
Because its beyond you, many Christians converted because of such blunders in the Bible. Esp those video links i sent to you and you were afraid of accessing.

fortran12:
Am happy about all these but you haven't answered my question about the sheep and the Quran, what happened with khybar and Mohammed etc.

The creator of the universe & earth does not know the earth he created moves I.e. rotation & revolution & you are comfortable in such religion??

Earth does not move (Ps 93:1, 96:10, 104:5, 1 Chr 16:30).

fortran12:
What about the resin head comment. Why did u ignore that one.

Jesus your lord and personal saviour does not know water cycle, and you can't inquire why this is happening.
And you want to defend the indefensible?

Rainwater does not return to the sky (Isa 55:10)

fortran12:
What about the resin head comment. Why did u ignore that one.

You creator doesn't know about his creation and you are okay?
The moon has a light of its own (Isa 13:10, Matt 24).

Xposed2020:
Jesus your lord and personal saviour does not know water cycle, and you can't inquire why this is happening.
And you want to defend the indefensible?

Rainwater does not return to the sky (Isa 55:10)

Chief you are running away, shebi u said you are so good in debating, answer my questions e. you are trying to cover the question with irrelevant content.
Did Mohammed racially abuse Bilal by calling him a resin head, yes or no?

Xposed2020:
Go back & read, then we talk.
My boss of blessed memory taught me something before the President said Nigerian Youths are Lazy.
We don't read to understand, no in depth analysis, we even barely glance yet we ask too much questions when most times the answers are therein.
Go back and read then come up with questions & Insha Allah I'll respond approximately.
I'll can promise you , non of my questions will you answer.
Because its beyond you, many Christians converted because of such blunders in the Bible. Esp those video links i sent to you and you were afraid of accessing.

What are you talking about, I ask you questions you, you willfully ignore them and you expect me to answer your own questions? You send video links that are not relevant to the conversation. For your info a lot of your videos i have seen in the past.so they tell me nothing new. All of your videos have been refuted.
When ever i ask you a question that involves logic, a yes or no answer, you send a video or use the red herring fallacy. All i see you doing above is boasting. If you are that good, answer the questions i posed earlier. Do not send me videos the debate is with text not video.

E.g I asked you about what the charge was against Jesus when Pilate asked, you were replying me with what the high priests said in their meeting. How do these relate? And you are telling me of how understanding and in-depth analysis. its like asking a kid "what is your name?" And the child starts describing what he had for breakfast.
If you are so good answer my questions don't just run away like your fellows do.