Finallydead:

Understanding. Whoever wants to understand should read carefully and he will.
God's state of being/existence and divine nature is the laws/guiding principles of the infinite universe where He dwells. He can not change His existence or state. All He does is based on this immutable eternal nature. As He cannot end His existence, He cannot alter it either, else He becomes something other than God.
Here where we dwell, however, is a different finite realm given to men and bound by different set of finite laws. If men want to see omnipotence as I defined it, they would replicate the infinite laws of divine nature here in this finite realm i.e. by adopting divine nature.

LordReed:


Then there is something greater than your god...

Finallydead:

Not greater, but His ultimate Match, He can never overcome. That something is His very own state of being, His identity and definition. Behold, it is His very Self.

Eviana:
LordReed,
I wasn't calling you the enemy.
I was speaking in general about the confusion that has occured on the thread and who's behind it....hence Ephesians 6.
However, you are allowing the enemy to use you and keep you bound.
I must speak the truth to you.
Sir, if I thought you were a lost cause, I would've never told you about praying.
It's just that you won't seek the Lord for yourself...you won't accept anything that goes opposite to your own thoughts.
You are stuck & your heart has hardened tremendously.
You, sir, don't have forever & ever to make a choice.
You need to go to a private, quiet place and seek the Lord (humbly as a child)..It is HE who will answer you.

LordReed:


You implied it by saying I worship Satan. In the old days such an accusation would get the accused killed. This is how you frame up your opposition to put them in the enemy camp so that you can loose empathy for them. If an atheist dies under awful circumstances you then hear Christians say things like god punished him.

Also it's a set up for when your prayer doesn't produce the desired results then you can say Satan has him in his grip.

These are very familiar tactics used over and over again by Christians because they refuse to acknowledge reality.

E.viana:
Part 18

CONCLUSION

The people of Israel were at this time loyal to God; and so long as they continued in obedience to His law, no power in earth or hell could prevail against them. But the curse which Balaam had not been permitted to pronounce against [530] God's people, he finally succeeded in bringing upon them by seducing them into sin. When they transgressed God's commandments, then they separated themselves from Him, and they were left to feel the power of the destroyer.
Satan is well aware that the weakest soul who abides in Christ is more than a match for the hosts of darkness, and that, should he reveal himself openly, he would be met and resisted. Therefore he seeks to draw away the soldiers of the cross from their strong fortification, while he lies in ambush with his forces, ready to destroy all who venture upon his ground. Only in humble reliance upon God, and obedience to all His commandments, can we be secure.
No man is safe for a day or an hour without prayer. Especially should we entreat the Lord for wisdom to understand His word. Here are revealed the wiles of the tempter and the means by which he may be successfully resisted. Satan is an expert in quoting Scripture, placing his own interpretation upon passages, by which he hopes to cause us to stumble. We should study the Bible with humility of heart, never losing sight of our dependence upon God. While we must constantly guard against the devices of Satan, we should pray in faith continually: "Lead us not into temptation."

The Great Controvery
Chapter 32
E.G. White

sonmvayina:
@Op, do you really and sincerely think there is anything God created that he can't control?

If your answer is No, why do you think the devil can do whatever he likes and get away with it?

Waiting patiently for answers..

Julivas:


Yeah, satan won't get away with it because he will definitely end in the lake of fire.

sonmvayina:


So why was he created in the first place?... A mistake of creation of some sort...

Hmm, you sincerely don't know God.. You and the op.. The is just a pity..

For the last time.. There is no such thing as Satan.. Whatever happens whether good or bad, God is solely responsible... Nothing happens without his OK..

Got it now?

LordReed:


You implied it by saying I worship Satan. In the old days such an accusation would get the accused killed. This is how you frame up your opposition to put them in the enemy camp so that you can loose empathy for them. If an atheist dies under awful circumstances you then hear Christians say things like god punished him.

Also it's a set up for when your prayer doesn't produce the desired results then you can say Satan has him in his grip.

These are very familiar tactics used over and over again by Christians because they refuse to acknowledge reality.

Forgness:


I do not think OP implied you worshipped Satan. You actually raised vital points here, and no one has been able to answer you. It is just obvious.

Brother, I do not know you but I can feel that you are disappointed. You feel betrayed. I can feel you. I am trying to get your point. At what point did you really decide to hold on to the view that there is no God or god? What happened. Please share your story. It will really help.

Eviana:
however he has to make a choice (freewill)...who he is gonna worship. Right now, it's overwhelmingly satan.

Forgness:


I do not think OP implied you worshipped Satan. You actually raised vital points here, and no one has been able to answer you. It is just obvious.

Brother, I do not know you but I can feel that you are disappointed. You feel betrayed. I can feel you. I am trying to get your point. At what point did you really decide to hold on to the view that there is no God or god? What happened. Please share your story. It will really help.

Finallydead:

I really am interested in knowing what vital points he raised that were not sufficiently dealt with. Did you read through the thread at all?
Please outline carefully these "obvious" points.

Forgness:


Instead of I to list out the "obvious" points you do not see, I prefer you state explicitly why you are 100% convinced there is a living God. Convince people with real proofs. Share your personal testimony why LordReed should return to Christ. Make him see how this God you proclaim is. Show His goodness. I cannot see it in all your posts. No one will take such serious. Therefore, convince us all you know this God you are promoting.

LordReed:


Read the below



Tell me what you understand by that statement.

LoL! Disappointed by fairy tales? You are making me laugh. The only thing that makes me upset in this whole thing is I willingly believed in this nonsense for donkey years, I blame no one but myself.

As for what made me realize that a caring god is a comforting fiction, you only have to look around you and ask yourself if a caring god is really at the root of this uncaring universe. Do you really think a caring god allowed 6million Jews to be exterminated or 70million people to die in a senseless war. Do you really think a caring god watches 9 million people die every year of hunger and hunger related diseases. I don't say there is no god but a caring god is a fiction and I don't believe in such a god. Maybe there is a god and it is a highly malicious one, indeed the holy books of Abrahamic religions are good in depicting their god as a malicious one.

Finallydead:

Show some courtesy when you talk to strangers. This thread was not created by him and I stated exactly why I lent my answers in case you missed it. They will do for those who they are meant for.
I did not come all the way here to convince one about God or make one return to Christ. The knowledge I lend here will help many believers grow and avoid pitfalls of Satan so you should be ashamed and sorry to judge them useless. So be careful with your words.

We speak the wisdom of God among the mature(1Cor2:6-7).

Now you who are here to do the convincing, get on with it. The standard btw for convincing is not human logic and words but the power of the Spirit. So we wait.

Forgness:


Do not take it personal. I get you. The writer will apologize to you. I know why I said so. No one who has experienced deep love of God will not apologize. To preach Christ is hard at times. It is my opinion. She cares about you from her words. But you too were hard on her. Lol. You know it too. Maybe you are right with your points. Just know that to pass a message across properly, the messenger must endure what I call persecution. Both of you are passing across messages to each other, yet you are hurting yourselves. This should not be the case. Please bro, try to be easy on the lady too. Lol. Yeah, I get you.

Bro, I pray for a world where we all live in harmony regardless of our religion. No one understands you better than yourself. I understand you were disappointed. I was too and still in certain areas, but you need to check again. I am talking to you like someone who has passed through the phase you are presently.

You know where you need to go to. Return to Ecclesiastes sir. Everything is meaningless. That was where I returned. In fact, these useless preachers and fake pastors and imams are not making everything look good.

Bro, I want to ask you. Let us leave a "caring" god aside. What really went wrong? Religion, Islam, Christinity and atheism are personal. You know it too. You don't treat religion with general statements and logic if you want to experience the truth. Can I ask you again. What really went wrong?

Let me tell you mine. I pursued a cause which I know I was qualified for and Nigerians use dubious ways to be more qualified than me. And I could not get it. I was almost tempted to go the Hushpuppi way cos I am a tech tech person. I prayed, fasted, praised God, and believed Him for a miracle, but nothing happened. Even till date. But I still have a testimony. There are evidences I cannot even explain that made me not cross to the other side. You crossed...lol.

Bro, tell me exactly the moment you decided to say "damn this god". Why am I saying it. Are you sure it is God you are disappointed in? Or humans?

Forgness:

Instead of using strong tones, you need to explain why you are sure Satan doesn't exist. It may be appropriate to open a thread and explain explicitly why you think Satan does not exist. I am really interested in your opinion. You know we are all taught in elementary and high schools about Satan in Nigeria. I think both Islam and Chriatianity support it that Satan exists. Please, share your view on your thread why you are sure Satan does not exist. I am really interested to read your views.

Forgness:

Instead of using strong tones, you need to explain why you are sure Satan doesn't exist. It may be appropriate to open a thread and explain explicitly why you think Satan does not exist. I am really interested in your opinion. You know we are all taught in elementary and high schools about Satan in Nigeria. I think both Islam and Chriatianity support it that Satan exists. Please, share your view on your thread why you are sure Satan does not exist. I am really interested to read your views.

Forgness:


Imagine, LordReed is still concerned Eviana said he worshipped Satan.

sonmvayina:


I dont see how he affects tye equation given the fact that the will of God prevails all the time.if god says yes..nobody can say No and if God Says no, nobody can say yes..so why introduce a factor that has no effect on the final outcome..my maths tellsme,it is =0.

sonmvayina:


See my thread titled "the devil unmasked"

LordReed:


Do you not get it, nothing was wrong. Everything was going well. I was just made the head of my department, my marriage was good and my wife was pregnant with a baby we had been looking forward to for 3years. I had no reason to "blame god" for anything, if anything I should have been praising god but the reality of this life blossomed like a flower before my very eyes and I immediately knew I had been deceiving myself. Since I became an atheist my life has taken no dramatic turns, its still the usual twists and turns but I face life with a sense of joy and calm that I did not have as a Christian, no way I am going to slave myself to any type of religion after this, this is liberation right here. No gods, devils or angels are on my mind, how would I leave that and return to stories and fables? For what?

LordReed:

You have the wrong idea, I am not in the least bit concerned. I just think it's in poor taste when you have nothing more to say to end a polite discussion with "you worship Satan" or "you are going to hell".

Forgness:


Which maths? I do not get you. Using maths, under which law can we say God says yes, and it is so. I do not think there is God in maths. Or am I wrong?

Forgness:
I love you brother. Read the bolded statement in your post. At times, it is good to push people to the wall. I pushed you.... I know why I said Eviana will apologize at a point to L...d cos I see evidences that she is deep. I do not know if she understands deeply intercession, but she mentioned praying for people. Where I disagreed with her is the point L...d made above.... laughs at you lovingly...Instead, try to lis from it....L....ds speaks with respect to Eviana in this thread and vice versa, meaning they are still good and can relate with each other anytime. Just wait. You will see maturity soon in this thread.