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| Re: Is Southeast The Real Birthplace Of Nollywood? by naptu2: 5:36pm On Jun 02, 2020 |
Indigenization Decree and the 1970s boomhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Age_of_Nigerian_Cinema |
| Re: Is Southeast The Real Birthplace Of Nollywood? by forgiveness: 7:11pm On Jun 02, 2020 |
Armaggedon:That's not true. Theater art was already a big and lucrative industry as far back as late 1940s, that is long before Nollywood was coined. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_theatre Moreover, Nollywood killed the discipline called Theatre arts because every tom that can shake leg or open teeth polarized nollywood. |
| Re: Is Southeast The Real Birthplace Of Nollywood? by forgiveness: 7:22pm On Jun 02, 2020 |
Noneroone:Oga, Living in Bondage was not Kenneth Nnebue first film. He had produced a film before Living in Bondage on the VHS and it was a Yoruba film. ![]() These were very low budget films: the first of them, Aje Ni Iya Mi (1989) he made for N2,000 (about $200); it was shot on an ordinary VHS camera and edited on two VCRs. https://blog.shugaban.com/ken-nnebue-father-of-nollywood/ |
| Re: Is Southeast The Real Birthplace Of Nollywood? by Nobody: 7:43pm On Jun 02, 2020 |
Sustainability is what makes the developed world better than us in business as the govt put strong protective measures to protect the business even if the owner is deceased. Kenneth nnebue NEK video link should be competing with some Hollywood studios and collaborating or buying up smaller studios to make NEK a conglomerate. We really don't know how to run business. Thanks to poor govt for sight and lacklustre attitude. The same applies to other businesses out there too. |
| Re: Is Southeast The Real Birthplace Of Nollywood? by Born2Freak(f): 1:28am On Jun 03, 2020 |
Very interesting information. So Naptu2 is an old man with some deep historical knowledge about Nigerian film industry. So why the following around of ishilove like a handbag? |
| Re: Is Southeast The Real Birthplace Of Nollywood? by naptu2: 5:03am On Jun 03, 2020 |
This is an article from 2016 and it features Dr Ola Balogun's views about Nollywood. I don't agree with his views, but I find them to be quite funny and entertaining. Dr Balogun made 2 exceptions in his speech and I suspect that he included Amaka Igwe in his list of exceptional Nollywood film makers because of discussion programme that I watched in the early 2000s. Dr Balogun was the main guest on the show, but since the producers of the show knew that he would rant against Nollywood, the brought some people from Nollywood to defend their craft. Amaka Igwe was one of the people from Nollywood. Dr Balogun said that the people in Nollywood did not know how to act and that they did not know how to produce movies. He brought a clip of a movie that Julia Roberts acted in to show them what proper acting was like. He said that the people in Nollywood had no subtlety and he also said that Nollywood was not an industry. The presenter asked him what could be done to improve Nollywood and Dr Balogun replied that Nollywood could not be improved and that the whole thing should be shut down. The presenter told him that Nollywood movies are watched around the world and Dr Balogun replied that people outside Nigeria watch Nollywood movies to laugh at us and make fun of us. He also complained about the fact that they shot their movies on VHS, rather than celluloid. Amaka Igwe replied that she had shot on celluloid and she also took Dr Balogun to task. Dr Balogun replied that he wasn't referring to her. I believe that he included Tade Ogidan in his list of exceptions because he had worked with Tade Ogidan in the 1980s. Drama as Ola Balogun storms out of premiere over ‘attack’ for condemning Nollywoodhttp://www.vanguardngr.com/2016/05/drama-ola-balogun-storms-premiere-attack-condemning-nollywood/ |
| Re: Is Southeast The Real Birthplace Of Nollywood? by steppin: 11:30am On Jun 03, 2020 |
Seerade029:Wow! I've seen people lie, but this one is eleyi gị di gan |
| Re: Is Southeast The Real Birthplace Of Nollywood? by Armaggedon: 2:24pm On Jun 03, 2020 |
forgiveness:What made it lucrative? |
| Re: Is Southeast The Real Birthplace Of Nollywood? by csamii: 2:25am On Jun 04, 2020 |
naptu2:The man is just pained! People all over the world watch nollywood movies. It's shown on cable, they are now a brand, they have some good actors. Man is just pained because what took him a degree and PhD to achieve others did it with less and gone are those days you need to study theatre arts to know how to act. Some popular Hollywood actors did not study theatre arts, can he say they are not good actors? |
| Re: Is Southeast The Real Birthplace Of Nollywood? by naptu2: 2:36am On Jun 04, 2020 |
csamii:You know the funny thing for me? At the time that he said that people outside Nigeria only watch Nollywood to laugh at it, I had heard a BBC documentary in which they stated that Nollywood was very popular in East Africa. In fact, they said that children in Uganda were trying to sound like Nigerians because of all the Nollywood movies that they had watched. My opinion is similar to Eddie Ugbomah's opinion before he died. Initially Eddie Ugbomah hated Nollywood as much as Ola Balogun did, but he later changed his mind and believed that this is what we have, so we should encourage it to get better. For example, I agree with the presenter of that discussion programme. The fact that people around the world are watching Nollywood movies and that it is making money means that there is something in it that appeals to the audience. That to me is a mark of success. I don't think that he is pained because he had to study movie making, rather, I think he is shocked that people are not making movies the way he made them in the past. Nollywood is quite a shock to a lot of people and he is not the only one that is shocked. The biggest film festival in Africa is FESPACO, which takes place in Burkina Faso and the organisers of the festival did not rate Nollywood highly in the beginning because they thought that it lacked quality. However, like I said, the fact that people all over the world watch Nollywood movies and that it is commercially successful is a mark of success. Instead of trying to kill Nollywood, it's much better to think of ways to make it better. |
| Re: Is Southeast The Real Birthplace Of Nollywood? by DonroxyII: 4:42am On Jun 04, 2020 |
kayfra:They really brought it out in you ... Washerere ![]() |
| Re: Is Southeast The Real Birthplace Of Nollywood? by Eastson(m): 8:42am On Jun 05, 2020 |
Donno, but some of the best local movies I've watched are igbo in origin @Praylove still awaiting your response. In case you didn't see the mail please use the one on my profile. Thank you. |
| Re: Is Southeast The Real Birthplace Of Nollywood? by Ibunkun1(m): 11:05pm On Jun 05, 2020 |
But seriously I don't believe this is needed. The VP himself is a Yoruba man so there should be no big deal about that. The strengths of every society is different. The idea of using other people's humiliation as one's trophy is demonic in all ramifications. In a country with rich tribal diversity like Nigeria, our strength should be in our diversity so as to complement each other's weaknesses. Every one is great in their own rights. If you see something great just salute it. You don't have to be tribalistic about it. |
| Re: Is Southeast The Real Birthplace Of Nollywood? by Noneroone(m): 10:09pm On Jun 10, 2020 |
naptu2:You're still saying the same thing. It's not all about academic qualification, cinemas and film village, its about how money spinning it is. I'm inclined to believe it wasn't otherwise it would have been continued and expanded by subsequent generation of film makers. Don't even give me the economic recession excuse. of course movie production has been around way before living in bondage but my point is whether it could really be called an industry. That's why I asked whether you can have a movie industry without home video. Nollywood changed all that. It gave birth to a movie industry in its true sense. Direct to home movies gave marketers and producers big returns, directors and writers made money and actors became popular and richer. more returns meant more and more movies. Actors formed their guild, video clubs began to boom and the government even had to establish the national films and video censors board to censor and control movies in the new industry. That is a huge different. Coming to the original question asked by the op, yes! nollywood is Igbo. The different segments of the Nigerian movie industry evolved separately owing to cultural peculiarities, different norms and challenges. Northern segment now called kannywood has its history and style. You hear them sanctioning actresses for photoshoots adjudged indecent. In fact sometimes their movies look like Bollywood. Yoruba's have their own history. In fact the story of ola balogun, ogunde etc tell the history of Yoruba film making. Igbos also have their own history preceding the 90s. There was "things fall apart" and some other popular series before "living in bondage". It is the Igbo segment which later incorporated English language for wider reach that was branded Nollywood. It is Nollywood that most people know as the Nigerian film industry because of it's wide reach and revenue. Bad I replied late. |
| Re: Is Southeast The Real Birthplace Of Nollywood? by naptu2: 10:13pm On Jun 10, 2020 |
Noneroone:It's quite obvious that you've made up your mind and you won't let facts get in the way of what you've already decided. Everything that you keep saying is devoid of facts. It's just your opinions and speculations. Read the 3 posts after the posts that you quoted and see the facts in them. If it wasn't financially viable, would foreigners invest in the cinemas? Would foreigners come here to make movies? Anyway, the actual takings from the movies were stated in those posts. Your opinions are unimportant and irrelevant. What you think is unimportant and irrelevant. What's important are historical facts and they are stated there. |
| Re: Is Southeast The Real Birthplace Of Nollywood? by Noneroone(m): 11:00am On Jun 11, 2020 |
naptu2:That's exactly what someone without strong argument would say. |
| Re: Is Southeast The Real Birthplace Of Nollywood? by naptu2: 11:06am On Jun 11, 2020 |
Noneroone:You haven't produced 1 single argument or fact in your attempt to rubbish the golden age of Nigerian Cinema. All you've said is, "I don't think it was an industry". Where is your proof that it was not an industry? None. "I don't think it was successful", where is your proof? None. "I don't think there was any production company". Where is your proof that there was no production company? None. IIt's not about what you think, it's about facts! Provide facts. I have provided more than enough facts and you have provided none. |
| Re: Is Southeast The Real Birthplace Of Nollywood? by naptu2: 11:08am On Jun 11, 2020 |
Noneroone The Golden Age of Nigerian Cinema From Wikipedia the Free Encyclopedia. Golden Age or Golden era are terms used in Nigerian film history to designate the motion picture industry of Nigeria from the late 1950s to the late 1980s.[1] It captures the mode of visual and sound production, as well as the method of distribution employed during this period. This period began with the formal recognition of the Nigerian Film Unit as a sector in 1954,[2] with the first film entirely copyrighted to this unit being Fincho (1957) by Sam Zebba.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Age_of_Nigerian_Cinema |
| Re: Is Southeast The Real Birthplace Of Nollywood? by naptu2: 11:10am On Jun 11, 2020 |
Noneroone Pre-Independencehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Age_of_Nigerian_Cinema |
| Re: Is Southeast The Real Birthplace Of Nollywood? by naptu2: 11:11am On Jun 11, 2020 |
Noneroone Indigenization Decree and the 1970s boomhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Age_of_Nigerian_Cinema |
| Re: Is Southeast The Real Birthplace Of Nollywood? by Noneroone(m): 11:47am On Jun 11, 2020 |
naptu2:In all your posts you speak of 'indigenization' 'purchasing power' 'oil boom' etc which suggest an industry that is over reliant on foreign stakes and excessive government intervention to survive rather that the business ingenuity of the local stake holders. most of those cinemas were own by foreigners, the then govt concerned there wasn't truly a 'Nigerian movie industry' as the bulk of the profits was going to cinema owners, handed ownership of the cenimas to Nigerians who ran it aground. if it was a self sustaining industry, the govt would only regulate not intervene. You can't run a business without a viable and efficient marketing network that gives you return on investment. Those who produced for cinema went out of job during economic recession because the cinema was expensive and wasn't really viable, at least in the Nigerian business environment. They had to run to govt owned channels to provide them content and beg for sponsorship. Nollywood brought it's own channel of marketing, building an empire where the govt was the regulator not interventionists. we've had several recessions since then yet the industry still grows. |
| Re: Is Southeast The Real Birthplace Of Nollywood? by naptu2: 12:04pm On Jun 11, 2020*. Modified: 1:54pm On Jun 11, 2020 |
Noneroone:HALLELUYIA, PRAISE GOD!!! We have made progress. You have now admitted that it was an industry! One by one we will break down your attempts to rubbish the industry. Your first mispeak was that it was not an industry. Do you have any comments about your second statement that there were no production companies? (I'm sure you've seen the names of the production companies in my reply). What about your third statement that it wasn't making any money (I'm sure you've seen the box office takings in my reply) (I have noticed that anytime you make a false allegation and I disprove it, you never ever admit that you were wrong. You simply move on, shift the goalpost and make another false allegation). Firstly, you said that the movie industry was not known beyond Nigeria and did not get any foreign input and now you say that it was reliant on foreign stakes?? That shows that you have no idea what you are talking about. The industry was reliant on takings from the cinema business. When the economic crisis occurred and armed robbery became a big issue, people did not want to go to the cinemas for fear of being attacked at night. That's why home video became popular, because you can watch it in your house without being attacked. Secondly, there were Nigerian owned cinemas before the indigenisation decree and that was stated in my reply, so don't try to make it seem like it was government that created the Nigerian owned cinema. The indigenisation decree was significant because it ensured that 300 foreign owned cinemas were transferred to Nigerians. There were over 300 cinemas in Nigeria at the time and yet you say that it wasn't an industry?? Thirdly, in case you don't know, the indigenisation decree was not a decree about movie theatres specifically. The decree mandated that the controlling shares of all companies in Nigeria must be in the hands of Nigerians. It was this decree that led to the Nigerianisation of Union Bank, First Bank and all such other companies. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigerian_Enterprises_Promotion_Decree Fourthly, I'm not going to play your game. You are trying to turn this into a battle between Nollywood and the Golden Age of Nigerian Cinema because you've seen that all your attempts to rubbish the Golden Age have failed. I am proud of Nollywood and I have repeatedly said so here. What I won't accept is people trying to say that there was no movie industry in the 1950s, '60s, 70s and 1980s, like you tried to do. That is patently false. It is also false to say that the movie industry only consisted of selling TV series, as you tried to assert. There were epic movies that were made like Kongi's Harvest, Bullfrog In The Sun (Things Fall Apart), Death of a Black President, Mosebolatan and others. Besides, your latest attempts to shift the goalpost won't work. All industries have flaws and industries come and go. Your attempt to say that because the Golden Age ended in the 1980s therefore it was not an industry is laughable. Once upon a time coal was the major means of powering machines. It is no longer the major means of powering machines and the coal industry has gone into decline. Should we then say that there was nothing like a coal industry? Petroleum products are currently being used to power machines, but people are currently frantically looking for alternatives to petroleum (look at Tesla). If they succeed would we then say that there was never a petroleum industry because it went into decline? That doesn't make any sense. An industry is defined as a sector that produces goods or related services within an economy. The film industry produced services and related goods in the 1950s, '60s, 70s and '80s and it was an industry. There was a film industry in Nigeria, it was recognised worldwide, it was profitable to the extent that foreigners invested in it, it employed a large number of people and made famous movies and anybody that tries to deny these facts does not know what he is talking about. Period! |
| Re: Is Southeast The Real Birthplace Of Nollywood? by naptu2: 12:37pm On Jun 11, 2020 |
Things Fall Apart (Bullfrog In The Sun) (1971). Produced by Francis Oladele. Directed by Hans Jurgen Pohland Starring Orlando Martins https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orlando_Martins Elizabeth of Toro https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princess_Elizabeth_of_Toro Johnny Seka https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnny_Sekka Etc. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0208779/ |
| Re: Is Southeast The Real Birthplace Of Nollywood? by olujaidi: 4:01pm On Jun 11, 2020 |
This is why history should be documented so that people who come later will not try to rewrite it. Maybe the stories aren't being told enough by people in the know. Even without knowing the particular history of Nigerian filmmaking, it was immediately absurd to me that anyone would defend Living in Bondage as the beginning of Nollywood. Thank you for the history lessons, Sirs |
| Re: Is Southeast The Real Birthplace Of Nollywood? by Noneroone(m): 4:42pm On Jun 11, 2020 |
naptu2:movie production wasn't a money spinning business prior to Nollywood. You know it is the truth that's why you are running around the thread reposting comments. |
| Re: Is Southeast The Real Birthplace Of Nollywood? by naptu2: 4:48pm On Jun 11, 2020 |
Noneroone:Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha This is getting comical. I have posted so much fact, but you don't post any facts, you simply appear and post your own opinion as if that means anything. The box office takings for Mosebolatan and other movies are in my previous post to you but you can't address that because you don't know what you are talking about. You are the one running around this thread going in circles. You are probably too young to know that there was a movie industry during the golden age. You rushed into this thread to spew ignorance. You were confronted with facts that you did not know and your only response is to keep running around and posting your opinions as if they are facts. If it was not a money spinning business, then you should at least tell us what the box office receipts were that made it not to be successful. This is getting to be like comedy. Just look at your response to all the facts I dropped. ![]() |
| Re: Is Southeast The Real Birthplace Of Nollywood? by Lyoncrescent: 5:47pm On Jun 11, 2020 |
naptu2:Evening, I think I understand you. However if I'm correct I think the Nigerian film and video censors board came into being in 1993 to handle regulation of the video format if I'm correct. The Nigerian film commission was created in the 70s to handle film/ cinema if I'm correct. Like you have said , not all movies made in America are Hollywood movies which is correct . I once heard Kenneth okonkwo speak on this issue and his point was that prior to living in bondage there was no structure for video format movies hence the creation of the Nigerian film and video censors board in 1993 after the release of living in bondage. He also said that membership association and structures came into being after this period of living in bondage. I know one or two directors who don't like to classify their movies or films as nollywood. The funny thing is even the living in bondage released in 1992 was not the first movie released on VHS or popularised through VHS. I know a movie released by late alade aromire that was released in 1989 on VHS format. All in all, I think people can only see what they want to see regardless of facts. There was a thriving film and cinema industry before 1992 whether they believe it or not. |
| Re: Is Southeast The Real Birthplace Of Nollywood? by naptu2: 6:10pm On Jun 11, 2020 |
Lyoncrescent:The Nigerian Film and Video Censors Board came into being as part of President Babangida's liberalisation and regulation policy. That administration had a lot of brilliant people who created a lot of brilliant policies, but the problems were in the implementation. Basically, the government (on paper) wanted to liberalise the economy and create other sources of income apart from crude oil. In order to create new sectors it needed a lot of regulatory agencies to monitor these sectors. If you look back, you'll notice that a lot of these regulatory agencies were created at the same time: Nigerian Boradcasting Commission, Nigerian Film and Video Censor's Board, National Agency for Food Drug Administration and Control, etc. The National Film and Video Censor's Board didn't really create a structure when it was initially created. It's main role was to prevent the production of movies that the government did not like. Like I wrote earlier, a lot of those sectors were not really regulated. Would you believe that I watched scenes that contained nudity on the NTA in the late 1980s and early 1990s? There was no government agency to prohibit that. Actions were usually taken after the fact and they were taken arbitrarily. Similarly, drugs were sold anyhow before the creation of NAFDAC. Most of the chemists had no pharmacists. So the censor's board was created to ensure that pornography and other such movies that the government did not want were not produced. A structure existed during the cinema era. In fact, that was one of the criticisms of Nollywood in its early days, that it did not have a structure, unlike the golden age cinema industry. Movies weren't released anyhow during the golden age. A movie must have its cinema run. It must have its premiere. There was a system for producing and releasing movies back then. That system began to break down in the early 1980s. I'll tell you how it broke down at the end of this post. As you rightly said, home videos existed before Nollywood was created. I watched the popular and amazing movie "Evil Encounter" (the Cult of Natas) on video in 1983 or 1984. This was the period that the cinema culture began declining. People were afraid to go to the cinema at night because of violent robberies. The swinging Lagos night club scene was also affected. Therefore, people like Jimi Odumosu decided that it made more sense to produce their movies on VHS and sell directly to people. This also affected the cinema culture in a terrible way. Moses Olaiya (Baba Sala) was used to making a lot of money from the cinemas. That was when the structure was still in place. This meant that he could invest a lot of money into movie making and reap his profits afterwards. However, the early 1980s was a different kettle of fish. People had started realising that you could sell video cassettes and make your money back quickly. Baba Sala released Orun Mooru, but before it could make money for him on the cinema scene, people had pirated it and were selling it on video cassettes. This was the first time that he lost money in the movie industry. He lost a lot of money. The structure had broke down. |
| Re: Is Southeast The Real Birthplace Of Nollywood? by Lyoncrescent: 7:00pm On Jun 11, 2020 |
naptu2:Thank you for the education |
| Re: Is Southeast The Real Birthplace Of Nollywood? by naptu2: 9:34am On Jun 12, 2020 |
Baba Sala's son explained what actually caused the first major case of movie piracy in Nigeria. Movies were shot on celluloid film during the Golden Age of Nigerian Cinema and they were shown at cinema theatres. There was a distribution structure in place at that time. There were cinema theatres all over Nigeria and these theatres paid the movie makers a license fee in order to show their movies. Video cassette recorders did not become popular in Nigeria until the late 1970s and it was mainly the wealthy that could afford such VCRs, so people usually went to the cinema theatres in order to watch the latest movies. Baba Sala made the movie Orun Mooru in 1982. It featured a cameo appearance by King Sunny Ade. However, a problem occurred very early in its cinema run. The movie was given an award in the United States, so Baba Sala travelled to attend the award ceremony. He took a copy of the film reel, in order to show the movie in the US. There was another copy that was left at his office in Ibadan. A very wealthy man showed up at Baba Sala's house while he was in the US. The man was a Muslim. He told Baba Sala's family and workers that his wives could not watch the movie because they were in Purdah and therefore they could not go to the cinema. He said that he wanted to give his wives a treat during the Eid holidays and he appealed to Baba Sala's family and workers to come and show the movie in his house. He said that he was ready to pay any amount that they asked for and he was ready to pay on the spot. Baba Sala's staff felt that this was a great opportunity to impress their boss by making some money in his absence. They took the film and projectors and showed the movie at the wealthy man's house. What they didn't know was that the man had a hidden camera at the back and he was recording the movie as they were showing it. Baba Sala's workers went home satisfied, but a few days later pirated copies of the movie appeared on the streets and some cinema theatres began showing the movie even though they were not licensed to show it. Baba Sala made a huge loss on that movie. 3 years later (in 1985), Baba Sala made the blockbuster movie Mosebolatan. It was directed by Ade Afolayan and cinematography was by Tunde Kelani. The movie made ₦107,000 (arround ₦44.2 million in 2015 naira) in its first five days at the cinemas. Baba Sala's son tells the story of Orun Mooru. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZRHbpRhhZY |
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