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DappaD:
Your type of person isn't looking for answers to learn, rather to ridicule or to make a point. If you can't accept what's being presented to you, that's your own business.

Bro, don't be too fast to conclude. Lay out the answer nah. You haven't done it yet. Let me see how Jesus is angel Michael.

DappaD:
@hoopernikao, read this again.

I have well. I can't see Jesus as Angel there, maybe you explain.

Rozz:
I seriously do not believe that Jesus is Angel Michael since it was not found in the bible,if you say it's a hidden knowledge,why was the knowledge hidden and how did only JW came about that knowledge,so many things not adding up regarding this

Because only JWs are prepared to make amendments on what they believe since they agreed that they're not perfect.
Others will stick to the teachings of their Church founders only for someone to say he wants to start his own ministry and set out certain things as if making correction to the errors of his former, yet he will still remain affiliated to his former Church.

So because JWs behave like little children that are prepared to make amendments as in change what they formerly believe, Jesus whose custom is revealing secrets to babies open up this secrets to them! Matthew 11:25

Know today that there is none of all these Churches that had any connection with the teachings of the first century Christians.

Otherwise let them produce the fruit LOVE!

hoopernikao:
Bro, don't be too fast to conclude. Lay out the answer nah. You haven't done it yet. Let me see how Jesus is angel Michael.

What is the meaning of the term ‘archangel’?
It means “chief of the angels”. Jude 6 calls Michael “the archangel” meaning there's only one angel in that position. And it is never used in plural, meaning only one person bears this title.
Also in Daniel 12:1, Michael is also called the “great prince” which coincides with a prophecy foretold at Isaiah 9:6,7 which called Jesus the “Prince of Peace”.

Now in Revelation 12:7, we read “...Michael and his angels battled with the dragon...”, we also see at 2Thessalonians 1:7 that says “...the Lord Jesus from heaven with his powerful angels...”
Jesus himself said the time will come when he will “come in the glory of his Father with his angels...” (Matthew 16:27)
So regarding the position and authority Jesus wields in God's Kingdom, it is safe to say that Jesus is Michael the archangel. In light of that, in Paul's words to the Colossians, he called Jesus “the image of the invisible God” (Colossians 1:15)
All these are drawn from the Bible and only those who truly want to do the will of God will find such sacred secrets.

In the Bible, individuals sometimes are known to bear more than one name.
For example, Jacob is also known as Israel, Peter is also known as Simon and Cephas, Nathanael(one of Jesus' apostles) is also called Bartholomew. That the Bible didn't come out explicitly and say “Jacob is Israel” or “Peter is Cephas” or “Nathanael is Bartholomew” doesn't mean we can't discern on in-depth study that they can be called more than one name. Though Jesus at one point called Peter “Cephas”
The same goes for Jesus Christ, because the Bible didn't explicitly say “Jesus is Michael” doesn't mean we can't discern from the Bible that they're the same person. Apparently, his name in heaven is Michael and the authority Michael holds and the action he took, portrays all the things said about Jesus Christ.

DappaD:
What is the meaning of the term ‘archangel’?
It means “chief of the angels”. Jude 6 calls Michael “the archangel” meaning there's only one angel in that position. And it is never used in plural, meaning only one person bears this title.
Also in Daniel 12:1, Michael is also called the “great prince” which coincides with a prophecy foretold at Isaiah 9:6,7 which called Jesus the “Prince of Peace”.

Now in Revelation 12:7, we read “...Michael and his angels battled with the dragon...”, we also see at 2Thessalonians 1:7 that says “...the Lord Jesus from heaven with his powerful angels...”
Jesus himself said the time will come when he will “come in the glory of his Father with his angels...” (Matthew 16:27)
So regarding the position and authority Jesus wields in God's Kingdom, it is safe to say that Jesus is Michael the archangel. Because the name Michael means “Who Is Like God?” who else can be like God if not Jesus?. In light of that, in Paul's words to the Colossians, he called Jesus “the image of the invisible God” (Colossians 1:15)
All these are drawn from the Bible and only those who truly want to do the will of God will find such sacred secrets.

So it is by assumption or derived right? Not mentioned absolutely? Good.

Now for archangel. You assumed it to be one Sir.

Jude 1:9
Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

The word archangel is taken from the Greek word archaggelos. It simply implies a chief, a ruler of angels, a superior angel, to rank first. It is the same used by Daniel.

Daniel spoke about more than one chief and ruler or angels. Pay attention.

Daniel 10:13
But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia.

One of here implies more than one. So we have chief princes of the angels.

Because Michael is mentioned doesn't mean he is the only chief or archangel. It won't be. So, that means God may likely have created many Jesus as archangels as we don't know the one he is using his voice in Thessalonians.

hoopernikao:
So it is by assumption or derived right? Not mentioned absolutely? Good.

Now for archangel. You assumed it to be one Sir.

Jude 1:9
Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

The word archangel is taken from the Greek word archaggelos. It simply implies a chief, a ruler of angels, a superior angel, to rank first. It is the same used by Daniel.

Daniel spoke about more than one chief and ruler or angels. Pay attention.

Daniel 10:13
But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia.

One of here implies more than one. So we have chief princes of the angels.

Because Michael is mentioned doesn't mean he is the only chief or archangel. It won't be. So, that means God may likely have created many Jesus as archangels as we don't know the one he is using his voice in Thessalonians.

Of course it means he is the only chief angel. If the Bible calls him the only archangel in Jude 9 and calls him something else in Daniel 10:13, it would then mean there is an inconsistency which is not so. Now think of this, can an army have two people filling the role of a commander in chief? No. At Revelation 12:7, we read “...Michael[the archangel] and his angels battled...”, then we go on to read at Revelation 17:14, “These will battle with the Lamb[Jesus]...” meaning there is only one of such army in heaven that carry out all God's will/judgment in one accord. Saying that there is more than one army in heaven is inconsistent, although the Bible says the angels in heaven are “myriads of myriads” or “thousands of thousands”. It does not indicate that there are division of armies in heaven, since they are all doing the will of God.

Now considering what you pointed out at Daniel 10:13, it reads “...But then Michael, one of the foremost princes...”
Taken into account what ‘foremost’ means that there is only one prince of the first rank.
Okay see, in an army of soldiers, there is only one commander in chief, in God's Kingdom, that person is Jesus or Michael. Coming back to military ranks, there are other notable positions that can be occupied as well, such as “General of the army” , “Lieutenant General” , “Major General”. So the Commander In Chief here is referred to just Michael[or Jesus] even though he is among princes of notable ranks.

DappaD:
Of course it means he is the only chief angel. If the Bible calls him the only archangel in Jude 9 and calls him something else in Daniel 10:13, it would then mean there is an inconsistency which is not so. Now think of this, can an army have two people filling the role of a commander in chief? No. At Revelation 12:7, we read “...Michael[the archangel] and his angels battled...”, then we go on to read at Revelation 17:14, “These will battle with the Lamb[Jesus]...” meaning there is only one of such army in heaven that carry out all God's will/judgment in one accord. Saying that there is more than one army in heaven is inconsistent, although the Bible says the angels in heaven are “myriads of myriads” or “thousands of thousands”. It does not indicate that there are division of armies in heaven, since they are all doing the will of God.

Now considering what you pointed out at Daniel 10:13, it reads “...But then Michael, one of the foremost princes...”
Taken into account what ‘foremost’ means that there is only one prince of the first rank.
Okay see, in an army of soldiers, there is only one commander in chief, in God's Kingdom, that person is Jesus or Michael. Coming back to military ranks, there are other notable positions that can be occupied as well, such as “General of the army” , “Lieutenant General” , “Major General”. So the Commander In Chief here is referred to just Michael[or Jesus] even though he is among princes of notable ranks.

Bro, Daniel 10:13 said one of. Didn't you see that? Can you readily twist that? One of? Means it's not consistent?

Also leave aside the wrestling of Jesus as Angel. You have no scriptures for that yet you consistently mentioning it.

One of the chief princes.

See below.

Ephesians 3:10
10To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,

The word principalities here is from the same root "arche" which implies beginning of, the chiefs. Note that it is principalities and powers. That is chiefs, leaders. Refering to heavenly being.

The bible never mentioned number of arch angels and we must stay with bible narration. Making assumptions that we have only one because Michael is refered to as arch is dubious. Scriptures pointed that we have many of them.

If you understand bible narration, you will know that it will usually leave out names that isn't needed in discussion, hence the reason for Michael mentioned.

You will only be dubious to see "one of the princes" and said Daniel made a mistake.

Everything I've stated above is clear. You're just causing more confusion for yourself.
Peace.

DappaD:
In the Bible, individuals sometimes are known to bear more than one name.
For example, Jacob is also known as Israel, Peter is also known as Simon and Cephas, Nathanael(one of Jesus' apostles) is also called Bartholomew. That the Bible didn't come out explicitly and say “Jacob is Israel” or “Peter is Cephas” or “Nathanael is Bartholomew” doesn't mean we can't discern on in-depth study that they can be called more than one name. Though Jesus at one point called Peter “Cephas”
The same goes for Jesus Christ, because the Bible didn't explicitly say “Jesus is Michael” doesn't mean we can't discern from the Bible that they're the same person. Apparently, his name in heaven is Michael and the authority Michael holds and the action he took, portrays all the things said about Jesus Christ.

That means we can discern from bible too that Jesus is God, isn't it. Same logic.

DappaD:
Everything I've stated above is clear. You're just causing more confusion for yourself.
Peace. ✌

Clear as in? Jesus is Angel or Michael is only arch?

Bro, read your bible and stay with its narrative. Stop trying to let it say what it didn't say. That is what you can achieve with such MDR. It is alien to Christianity.

hoopernikao:
Bro, Daniel 10:13 said one of. Didn't you see that? Can you readily twist that? One of? Means it's not consistent?

Also leave aside the wrestling of Jesus as Angel. You have no scriptures for that yet you consistently mentioning it.

One of the chief princes.

See below.

Ephesians 3:10
10To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,

The word principalities here is from the same root "arche" which implies beginning of, the chiefs. Note that it is principalities and powers. That is chiefs, leaders. Refering to heavenly being.

The bible never mentioned number of arch angels and we must stay with bible narration. Making assumptions that we have only one because Michael is refered to as arch is dubious. Scriptures pointed that we have many of them.

If you understand bible narration, you will know that it will usually leave out names that isn't needed in discussion, hence the reason for Michael mentioned.

You will only be dubious to see "one of the princes" and said Daniel made a mistake.

See how confused you are?
Ephesians 6:12 speaks about “...governments, against authorities, against the wicked rulers of this darkness, against the wicked spirit forces in heavenly places”
And not one of the angels in God's army.
Coming back to your argument again, the Bible does not state the number of archangels because there is only just ONE whose name is Michael[or Jesus] Jude 9
Can an army of soldiers have two people who have the commander in chief rank? No, the position is just for one person. Also, in God's army of angels, there will likely be other angels of notable ranks, but not having that “archangel” title. Since it is reserved for one person, Michael.

hoopernikao:
That means we can discern from bible too that Jesus is God, isn't it. Same logic.

Okay, please explain where it says that Jesus is God in the Bible. Explain carefully with scriptures as I have explained that Jesus is Michael the archangel earlier. Please do so in earnest.

DappaD:
See how confused you are?
Ephesians 6:12 speaks about “...governments, against authorities, against the wicked rulers of this darkness, against the wicked spirit forces in heavenly places”
And not one of the angels in God's army.
Coming back to your argument again, the Bible does not state the number of archangels because there is only just ONE whose name is Michael[or Jesus] Jude 9
Can an army of soldiers have two people who have the commander in chief rank? No, the position is just for one person. Also, in God's army of angels, there will likely be other angels of notable ranks, but not having that “archangel” title. Since it is reserved for one person, Michael.

Are you reading my text or just thinking it? Did you see Ephesians 6:12 in my write up?

You need to start reading patiently and carefully. So do that now.

DappaD:
Of course it means he is the only chief angel. If the Bible calls him the only archangel in Jude 9 and calls him something else in Daniel 10:13, it would then mean there is an inconsistency which is not so. Now think of this, can an army have two people filling the role of a commander in chief? No. At Revelation 12:7, we read “...Michael[the archangel] and his angels battled...”, then we go on to read at Revelation 17:14, “These will battle with the Lamb[Jesus]...” meaning there is only one of such army in heaven that carry out all God's will/judgment in one accord. Saying that there is more than one army in heaven is inconsistent, although the Bible says the angels in heaven are “myriads of myriads” or “thousands of thousands”. It does not indicate that there are division of armies in heaven, since they are all doing the will of God.

Now considering what you pointed out at Daniel 10:13, it reads “...But then Michael, one of the foremost princes...”
Taken into account what ‘foremost’ means that there is only one prince of the first rank.
Okay see, in an army of soldiers, there is only one commander in chief, in God's Kingdom, that person is Jesus or Michael. Coming back to military ranks, there are other notable positions that can be occupied as well, such as “General of the army” , “Lieutenant General” , “Major General”. So the Commander In Chief here is referred to just Michael[or Jesus] even though he is among princes of notable ranks.

Please read the last paragraph again.

hoopernikao:
Are you reading my text or just thinking it? Did you see Ephesians 6:12 in my write up?

You need to start reading patiently and carefully. So do that now.

Okay, so I've seen you quoted Ephesians 3:10, now explain how the passage relates to there being many archangels.

DappaD:
Okay, please explain where it says that Jesus is God in the Bible. Explain carefully with scriptures as I have explained that Jesus is Michael the archangel earlier. Please do so in earnest.

It's not my call today Sir. It's yours.

Today is to check your doctrine of "Jesus as Angel". And we have seen a good conclusion that

1. It wasn't stated in the bible but JW inferred.
2. It wasn't preached by any one known to ever exist in the first century church.
3. That the church fathers never preached it nor had anyone who preaches it. Infact it doesn't even occur as an heresy of that period.
4. That it is a modern day revelation MDR that has no foundation in the teaching and practices of the bible and the early church.

This is the first part. And must be concluded as such. No basis or foundation of such erroneous teaching.

That is the page I want to clear today Sir. When time calls for further explanation and discussion, I will surely do diligently.

hoopernikao:
Bro, Daniel 10:13 said one of. Didn't you see that? Can you readily twist that? One of? Means it's not consistent?

Also leave aside the wrestling of Jesus as Angel. You have no scriptures for that yet you consistently mentioning it.

One of the chief princes.

See below.

Ephesians 3:10
10To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,

The word principalities here is from the same root "arche" which implies beginning of, the chiefs. Note that it is principalities and powers. That is chiefs, leaders. Refering to heavenly being.

The bible never mentioned number of arch angels and we must stay with bible narration. Making assumptions that we have only one because Michael is refered to as arch is dubious. Scriptures pointed that we have many of them.

If you understand bible narration, you will know that it will usually leave out names that isn't needed in discussion, hence the reason for Michael mentioned.

You will only be dubious to see "one of the princes" and said Daniel made a mistake.

One thing you didn’t notice in all DappaD has made clear to you is this: the name Michael always appears when there is a state of war or combat. Therefore, Michael is the nom de guerre of Christ. If you understand this, you wouldn’t struggle with DappaD - he is telling you the truth.

@hoopernikao, You're a just contentious person. If you can't tell me where in the Bible that relates Jesus to being God, then this convo is as good as over.

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DappaD:
Okay, so I've seen you quoted Ephesians 3:10, now explain how the passage relates to there being many archangels.

You haven't still read my post well. It is well explained. Ephesians 3:10 speaks about heavenly beings. The chiefs of them. Arche is where arch is derived from, check your lexicon. Rulers, chiefs, first, beginning. They carried same bases.

hoopernikao:
You haven't still read my post well. It is well explained. Ephesians 3:10 speaks about heavenly beings. The chiefs of them. Arche is where arch is derived from, check your lexicon. Rulers, chiefs, first, beginning. They carried same bases.

Now you've falsely asserted that the “governments” and “authorities” mentioned at Ephesians 3:10 refers to archangels. Wow bro. That wouldn't make much sense now, would it?

Acehart:
One thing you didn’t notice in all DappaD has made clear to you is this: the name Michael always appears when there is a state of war or combat. Therefore, Michael is the nom de guerre of Christ. If you understand this, you wouldn’t struggle with DappaD - he is telling you the truth.

Is Jesus angel Michael? This is the question. You can put aside inference. Moses is always referred almost in line of what Christ did, should we then say Moses is Jesus?

We are speaking about personality here. So, is Jesus and Michael the same person? Then show that in scripture.

DappaD:
Now you've falsely asserted that the “governments” and “authorities” mentioned at Ephesians 3:10 refers to archangels. Wow bro. That wouldn't make much sense now, would it?

Please what is the word used for principalities there and what meaning dies it carry in Greek. Government? . Spiritual government abi? So what in the government does Arche refers to.

hoopernikao:
Please what is the word used for principalities there and what meaning dies it carry in Greek. Government? . Spiritual government abi? So what in the government does Arche refers to.

Even if the Bible is raked and answers are given to you with the scriptures, you still wouldn't accept as you have proved yourself headstrong.
2Timothy 4:3 has already informed true Christians about your kind of people.
I cannot change your mentality about anything but I can only present the truth as it is in the Bible. You are an adult(that is if you are sef) and can decide for yourself what is right for you. Nevertheless whatever you say cannot change or diminish the true facts from the Bible.
With all these said, peace.

hoopernikao:
Is Jesus angel Michael? This is the question. You can put aside inference. Moses is always referred almost in line of what Christ did, should we then say Moses is Jesus?

We are speaking about personality here. So, is Jesus and Michael the same person? Then show that in scripture.

Correction: Is Jesus Archangel Michael? Yes.

There is only one Archangel. I said earlier, that Michael is the nom de guerre of Jesus. I also said that name always appeared when there was a state of war or combat. Nom de guerre means: an assumed name under which a person engages in combat. It is an assumed name; it isn’t his real name. We don’t call Christ by his combat name because we don’t need it.

If you are asking if Michael is the “wrestling” name of Jesus, let me just juxtapose two set of verses from the scriptures and that’s it:

1 Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.

Matthew 24:30-31: And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory. And He will send forth His angels with a great trumpet and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.


I would want you to notice the use of the alliteration in the quote from 1st Thessalonians. It shows us that the voice of the Lord is the voice of the archangel. (I hope you know the function of the alliterative use of comma in the English language). Looking at the two quotes side-by-side, it’s quite easy to see that the Son of Man is the Archangel or the Commander of the Host of Angels. However, we don’t need the name Michael because we know the name of the man behind the mask - Jesus.

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DappaD:
Even if the Bible is raked and answers are given to you with the scriptures, you still wouldn't accept as you have proved yourself headstrong.
2Timothy 4:3 has already informed true Christians about your kind of people.
I cannot change your mentality about anything but I can only present the truth as it is in the Bible. You are an adult(that is if you are sef) and can decide for yourself what is right for you. Nevertheless whatever you say cannot change or diminish the true facts from the Bible.
With all these said, peace fam. ✌

Bro, you aren't presenting any truth. You see, it is on Nairaland you will see someone claim to do what he will deliberately not do.

Your premises are wrong, perfectly wrong as I have stated to you. It will be a far more serious trouble and struggle to prove that lies of Jesus is an Angel. You will only be navigating scriptures to your own lust. It doesnt exist.

It is an absolute lack of knowledge of the scriptures or deliberately manipulation of the same to come up with what you are proving.

It has no basis in Christianity. So even though the facts of the scriptures cannot be changed, you have or your proponents have tried in several doctrine to change the true narration. But the reality will always dawn, that truth is a defence of itself. The scriptures is too.

Acehart:
Correction: Is Jesus Archangel Michael? Yes.

There is only one Archangel. I said earlier, that Michael is the nom de guerre of Jesus. I also said that name always appeared when there was a state of war or combat. Nom de guerre means: an assumed name under which a person engages in combat. It is assumed name; it isn’t his real name. We don’t call Christ by his combat name because we don’t need it.

If you are asking if Michael is the “wrestling” name of Jesus, let me just juxtapose to verses from the scriptures and that’s it:

1 Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.

Matthew 24:30-31: And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory. And He will send forth His angels with a great trumpet and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.


I would want you to notice the use of the alliteration in the quote from 1st Thessalonians. It shows us that the voice of the Lord is the voice of the archangel. (I hope you know the function of the alliterative use of comma in the English language). Looking at the two quotes side-by-side, it’s quite easy to see that the Son of Man is the Archangel or the Commander of the Host of Angels. However, we don’t need the name Michael because we know the name of the man behind the mask - Jesus.

Na him way to argue blindly.
Hupernikao abi hoopernikao ,( whatever that means), please DESIST FROM EXPOSURE of your ignorance

DappaD:
Now you've falsely asserted that the “governments” and “authorities” mentioned at Ephesians 3:10 refers to archangels. Wow bro. That wouldn't make much sense now, would it?

Arguing BLINDLY is their hobby, but presenting proofs is what will silence them.

Pharisee were battle ready to continue arguing with Jesus and his followers, but when Jesus present proof of what he's saying, they couldn't refute his teachings. They wanted to challenge Jesus' followers but after seeing the evidence they were left dumbfounded.
Jehovah's Witnesses are saying this Jesus is the same angel Michael, just because of this Michael has supported this group and made them the one and only group having LOVE JOY and PEACE permeating their midst!
Hen ask him to provide evidence that they know the identity of Jesus nah?
It's not about arguments anymore, our generation is the most blessed of all, HOW?
When all other generations only had God's promises backed up with miracles to help faithful servants of God put faith in the promises they can't see it's fulfilment in sight, we are seeing the RECORDS of how God made those promises and not only that, we are eyewitnesses of it's fulfilments!
Our generation is seeing Paradise gradually taking shape as people from all nations that has been divided by geographical locations, racial prejudice and political unrest are coming together to form one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers!
All that is left now is for Jesus to come and wipe out those who will not allow Paradise to work for us with their stubbornness and rebellious attitudes.

Please instead of wasting precious time on arguments just ask him for the fine works of his TRINITY God, period! James 2:18-26

hoopernikao:
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Bro, you aren't presenting any truth. You see, it is on Nairaland you will see someone claim to do what he will deliberately not do.

Your premises are wrong, perfectly wrong as I have stated to you. It will be a far more serious trouble and struggle to prove that lies of Jesus is an Angel. You will only be navigating scriptures to your own lust. It doesnt exist.

It is an absolute lack of knowledge of the scriptures or deliberately manipulation of the same to come up with what you are proving.

It has no basis in Christianity. So even though the facts of the scriptures cannot be changed, you have or your proponents have tried in several doctrine to change the true narration. But the reality will always dawn, that truth is a defence of itself. The scriptures is too.

I'd like to correct you, it has no basis on Christendom. The truth or “accurate knowledge” of the Bible has been hidden from those who do not do the will of Jehovah. And that's that

Acehart:
Correction: Is Jesus Archangel Michael? Yes.

There is only one Archangel. I said earlier, that Michael is the nom de guerre of Jesus. I also said that name always appeared when there was a state of war or combat. Nom de guerre means: an assumed name under which a person engages in combat. It is an assumed name; it isn’t his real name. We don’t call Christ by his combat name because we don’t need it.

If you are asking if Michael is the “wrestling” name of Jesus, let me just juxtapose to verses from the scriptures and that’s it:

1 Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.

Matthew 24:30-31: And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory. And He will send forth His angels with a great trumpet and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.


I would want you to notice the use of the alliteration in the quote from 1st Thessalonians. It shows us that the voice of the Lord is the voice of the archangel. (I hope you know the function of the alliterative use of comma in the English language). Looking at the two quotes side-by-side, it’s quite easy to see that the Son of Man is the Archangel or the Commander of the Host of Angels. However, we don’t need the name Michael because we know the name of the man behind the mask - Jesus.

Wrestling name of Jesus?
There is nothing we won't see on Nairaland.

You want me to juxtapose scriptures to see what isn't there? Do you juxtapose it when those who preach trinity ask you to? It is convenient to ask for juxtaposing a doctrine alien to the church.

Voice of angel, why is Jesus not trumpet of God then. He must be the trumpet to be blown too. You really made me remember book of my bible story. I think that book affected many.

How convenient to align voice of as to mean the person. Even in grammar, you will be laughed at.

So, when you are told that some speaks with the voice of a lion, he must be a lion from a bush then. So convenient. You guys need to calm down and start reading scriptures properly.

Maximus69:
Arguing BLINDLY is their hobby, but presenting proofs is what will silence them.

Pharisee were battle ready to continue arguing with Jesus and his followers, but when Jesus present proof of what he's saying, they couldn't refute his teachings. They wanted to challenge Jesus' followers but after seeing the evidence they were left dumbfounded.
Jehovah's Witnesses are saying this Jesus is the same angel Michael, just because of this Michael has supported this group and made them the one and only group having LOVE JOY and PEACE permeating their midst!
Hen ask him to provide evidence that they know the identity of Jesus nah?
It's not about arguments anymore, our generation is the most blessed of all, HOW?
When all other generations only had God's promises backed up with miracles to help faithful servants of God put faith in the promises they can't see it's fulfilment in sight, we are seeing the RECORDS of how God made those promises and not only that, we are eyewitnesses of it's fulfilments!
Our generation is seeing Paradise gradually taking shape as people from all nations that has been divided by geographical locations, racial prejudice and political unrest are coming together to form one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers!
All that is left now is for Jesus to come and wipe out those who will not allow Paradise to work for us with their stubbornness and rebellious attitudes.

Please instead of wasting precious time on arguments just ask him for the fine works of his TRINITY God, period! James 2:18-26

We keep 2Peter 3:7, 13 in the mind as we await that day!