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Andy15:
yes it says that but is it to be taken literally?

But u took firstborn literally, even when I showed u other parts of scripture where firstborn wasnt taken literally. Or u think I can't see thru Ur deception.

Torment is torment....except u have another meaning for the word and the context it was used

MightySparrow:
I have read so many people's opinion about it (JW Judaism Rabbis) but why I think it is sure to be a place of punishment is that in the entire Bible, only Jesus presents it as hellfire. Since he will be the judge I think his own presentation or opinion is superior.

If you study Jesus' presentation carefully you will discover that this wonderful counselor taught his audience so many things with the use of illustrations (parables) {Matthew 13:34-35} so if you don't learn from his followers what he meant by those words, you will miss the point he was making! Matthew 28:20

That's why you're seeing today that instead of adherents of Hellfire teachings to live up to their doctrines with trembling, it's JWs who are saying there is nothing like Hellfire that's standing firm in their own teachings! Matthew 7:24-27

Maximus69:
If you study Jesus' presentation carefully you will discover that this wonderful counselor taught his audience so many things with the use of illustrations (parables) {Matthew 13:34-35} so if you don't learn from his followers what he meant by those words, you will miss the point he was making! Matthew 28:20

That's why you're seeing today that instead of adherents of Hellfire teachings to live up to their doctrines with trembling, it's JWs who are saying there is nothing like Hellfire that's standing firm in their own teachings! Matthew 7:24-27

The scriptures qouted don't add up. You present Jesus as a clown

MightySparrow:
The scriptures qouted don't add up. You present Jesus as a clown

What do you mean?

Andy15:
and come to think of it why didn't God tell adam that he would go to hellfire if he sinned instead he said that he would die

Why would God tell Adam that He would go to hellfire? Did God tell anyone else in the entire Old Testament that they would go to hellfire?

Andy15:
i would love it if you could give an explanation for the scripture(jer 7vs31)

Please go back and re-read the verse within the provided context. I am sure it is quite self-explanatory.

Jeremiah 7 vs 29-33 (ERV)
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29. “Jeremiah, cut off your hair and throw it away.[d] Go up to the bare hilltop and cry, because the Lord has rejected this generation of people. He has turned his back on these people. And in anger he will punish them.
30. Do this because I have seen the people of Judah doing evil things.” This message is from the Lord. “They have set up their idols, and I hate those idols. They have set up idols in the Temple that is called by my name. They have made my house ‘dirty’!
31. The people of Judah built the high places of Topheth in the Valley of Ben Hinnom where they killed their own sons and daughters and burned them as sacrifices. This is something I never commanded. Something like this never even entered my mind!
32. So I warn you. The days are coming,” says the Lord, “when people will not call this place Topheth or the Valley of Ben Hinnom anymore. No, they will call it the Valley of Slaughter. They will give it this name because they will bury the dead people in Topheth until there is no more room to bury anyone else.
33. Then the bodies of the dead people will become food for the birds of the sky. Wild animals will eat the bodies of those people. There will be no one left alive to chase the birds or animals away.

Maximus69:
What do you mean?

Going through the teachings of all concerned that I have gone through: JW, evangelicals, notable judaism rabbis, islamic scholars, etc, about hell and afterlife, those concepts and / or interpretations are nonsensical. You may want to defend your own leaning as the correct, yes, others do same because they and you have closed your minds (mental lockdown, you would say). Good luck with your believe.

MightySparrow:
Going through the teachings of all concerned that I have gone through: JW, evangelicals, notable judaism rabbis, islamic scholars, etc, about hell and afterlife, those concept and / or interpretations are nonsensical. You may want to defend your own leaning as the correct, yes, others do same because they and you have closed your minds (mental lockdown, you would say). Good luck with your believe.

In that case, good luck to you as well Sir!

I see Christianity is adjusting to fit the times, the result, Jehovah witness and a more modern age teaching, apparently the fear of hell isn't working as suppose, maybe because people are beginning to see through their bullshít.

MightySparrow:
Going through the teachings of all concerned that I have gone through: JW, evangelicals, notable judaism rabbis, islamic scholars, etc, about hell and afterlife, those concept and / or interpretations are nonsensical. You may want to defend your own leaning as the correct, yes, others do same because they and you have closed your minds (mental lockdown, you would say). Good luck with your believe.

I've always found it funny every time he passes his opinion as fact.

GRIMMJOE:
I've always found it funny every time he passes his opinion as fact.

Yea, that is product of indoctrination or identification

But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Revelation 21:8


If you fall under all these above listed items, then enjoy your life well on Earth , so you can spend the rest of your eternity in hell

It's second death because your earthly flesh will have first died

Then your spirit will be live in hell forever where it's always going to be torture

YorubaKinging:
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Revelation 21:8


If you fall under all these above listed items, then enjoy your life well on Earth , so you can spend the rest of your eternity in hell

It's second death because your earthly flesh will have first died

Then your spirit will be live in hell forever where it's always going to be torture

So where will the spirit of Adam and Eve that brought all these wahala be?