tensazangetsu20:

Which section are you on Upwork?

Software development

eph12:

Sounds like 5 jobs in one. Definitely a small firm struggling to survive

I swear!!!! Sounds like a whole I.T Dept....eyyy!

Harnny:
Not sure I have ever seen a developer earning less than 100k. My organization pays at least 120 even for interns. We scarce man....especially the really good ones. One of my colleague earns 600k and he does nothing. He has been earning that for over 3 years. Not to even mention the side projects...for those who knows the code name...PP

Guy pls what's your organization? You can send me a message.

eph12:

Software development

How many jobs do you apply to in a month?

eph12:

Lmao there are hundreds or even thousands of start ups who pay really good money to software developers every year.

Will those C.S guys all be required to do everything? Or they will be shared into departments?

Start up coy's coding needs a so limited, infact most start ups would rather go for ERP Software Packages on shelf, than waste money on programming, and if they need a more tailored software they get a freelancer that they don't have to hire on long term bases

The C.S guys work in teams at the IT department, the work on hotel networking, take care of finger print tag in systems, maintain all PC and software from MDs office, HR and Accounting, they even fix common software issues for front desk cashier's

And the major major job is keeping the website working, updating price changes and other social media campaigns

Now tell me if as an HR if you would hire a programmer for all this?

It's an over saturated niche. If you have freelance jobs and work for companies abroad remotely, it pays. But if you are here in Nigeria, the pay is quite low depending on your experience and also compared to your foreign counterparts.

Every tom, dick and Harry now wasn't to become a programmer because it sounds somewhat 'cool'.

Everyone cannot be a programmer, it's mentally tasking and rewarding at the end. If your brain no fit carry am, you can try out digital marketing, UI / UX design, Graphics Design, Videography.

Cheers.

tensazangetsu20:

Honestly it isn't worth it working for free for any organisation. I come from a marine engineering background and my first job abroad was also a volunteer job. It makes no sense seeing how much certifications in that field cost plus there isn't any assurance of any job after getting them .

I am a chartered accountant, I don't bother about practicing as it becomes monotonous after a while. Neither do I harbor grandiose thoughts of working for the big 3 accounting firms. I have a niche and that pays my bills and keeps my family happy - I've never wanted too much from this life!

Eddee:


I wasn't paid at my first job 7 years ago! I interned for free, The UN didn't pay volunteers then. First you learn then you remove the L!

That's what it is,START FROM SOMEWHERE!

Eddee:


I understand you perfectly, the Nigerian situation doesn't give you that option. I'm an accountant, and now have the luxury of choosing my jobs. Before 6 years ago, I didn't have the luxury or the necessary connections to leverage upon. Now I do! He can keep his head down, dig into reserves he may not realize he has and weather this storm, iron sharpens iron and you sound like the type of guy that knows this too well!

Gbam!

LordPherule:

I can say it is by God's grace, not by aptitude. There is nothing sure in all these IT Career, peeps are now much. We have cool programmers and devs that are intelligent but unemployed, they freelance, get outsourced jobs from high paid devs to meet their ends. Nothing sure!

You response is the closest to the answer. Perhaps, the thread isn't clear enough.

What I really want to know is:

If a programmer is working in an organization that depends on getting projects from clients like other companies or individuals, what is the fate of Programmers working in such an organization if the company does not have projects to work on for maybe 3 or 4 months?

dibornqueen:
If you are really good at the language or know your work very well it's stable, i can even say it's over stable sef, i have a friend who is doing two programming jobs together freelancing, before Coronavirus pandemic even with world wide lock downs and closure he is still working and getting paid almost 2M per month and some companies in lekki are begging him to work for them for pay of almost 600k per month. So it boils down to how good you are, if you really good at it you will never lack good paying jobs except there isn't anything as technology again

What I really want to know is:

If a programmer is working in an organization that depends on getting projects from clients like other companies or individuals, what is the fate of Programmers working in such an organization if the company does not have projects to work on for maybe 3 or 4 months?

techmo:


Start up coy's coding needs a so limited, infact most start ups would rather go for ERP Software Packages on shelf, than waste money on programming, and if they need a more tailored software they get a freelancer that they don't have to hire on long term bases

The C.S guys work in teams at the IT department, the work on hotel networking, take care of finger print tag in systems, maintain all PC and software from MDs office, HR and Accounting, they even fix common software issues for front desk cashier's

And the major major job is keeping the website working, updating price changes and other social media campaigns

Now tell me if as an HR if you would hire a programmer for all this?

A reasonable organization will have those in charge of networking, and those in charge of software development. Then an IT guru in charge of designing the system who is also part of the management or reports directly to the boss. Only a handful of guys should be involved in that. The others are just there to implement what somebody else has designed. This brings real efficiency. If your hotel company wants the same person to be a software developer, handle networking and installations, good luck with them. They will lose their staff to some other reasonable companies soon.


For example banks hire programmers. Would you like to tell their HR how to do their job?

dannybrasky:

That's what it is,START FROM SOMEWHERE!



Gbam!

My brother, it wasn't easy. Fresh out of NYSC (squandered all the allawee), struggling with professional exams, courses on taxation, supply chain management and general program management. Those 6 months roaming around Diplomatic Drive in Abuja weren't fun. No money, struggling to pay my rent in Jahi as my Dad felt I should return home and sit in, while he works his contacts for those type of job placement promises that take 10 years for fulfillment. The people I met around that vicinity shaped my outlook on life, I realized wealth was not made just transferred - you just need to know where to look!

sholarr12:

What I really want to know is:

If a programmer is working in an organization that depends on getting projects from clients like other companies or individuals, what is the fate of Programmers working in such an organization if the company does not have projects to work on for maybe 3 or 4 months?

You may be laid off

Harnny:
Not sure I have ever seen a developer earning less than 100k. My organization pays at least 120 even for interns. We scarce man....especially the really good ones. One of my colleague earns 600k and he does nothing. He has been earning that for over 3 years. Not to even mention the side projects...for those who knows the code name...PP

What I really want to know is:

If a programmer is working in an organization that depends on getting projects from clients like other companies or individuals, what is the fate of Programmers working in such an organization if the company does not have projects to work on for maybe 3 or 4 months?

eph12:

You may be laid off

Thank you.

Ayemileto:
Well, I personally work as a freelancer on fiverr and seoclerks.

The thing is, if you are good, most people who give you project will come back with more.

Just that for some time now, I have stopped accepting projects (including from returning customers) because the pay is not really encouraging.

I currently stay in Akure but I'm hoping to move to Lagos or Abuja soon sha.

Do nigerians really get jobs on fiverr? In other fields not only programming.
I will like a detailed response pls. Thank you sir

eph12:

A reasonable organization will have those in charge of networking, and those in charge of software development. Then an IT guru in charge of designing the system who is also part of the management or reports directly to the boss. Only a handful of guys should be involved in that. The others are just there to implement what somebody else has designed. This brings real efficiency. If your hotel company wants the same person to be a software developer, handle networking and installations, good luck with them. They will lose their staff to some other reasonable companies soon.


For example banks hire programmers. Would you like to tell their HR how to do their job?

Banks don't hire Programmer the use on shelf banking software called Finacle

Banks Hire C.S all rounder for its IT needs and contracts whatever other things they need out

That's efficient

And the hotel I talked about is a 5 star hotel owned by a Dubai Shield, I have seen IT structure in many other top organisation

If Programmers get hired so much then they wouldn't be more programmers freelancing and owning their own cormercial software than the C.S guys working in almost all sectors

tensazangetsu20:

How many jobs do you apply to in a month?

As many as I see. Been a while I did though because I've been busy off upwork

Harnny:
Not sure I have ever seen a developer earning less than 100k. My organization pays at least 120 even for interns. We scarce man....especially the really good ones. One of my colleague earns 600k and he does nothing. He has been earning that for over 3 years. Not to even mention the side projects...for those who knows the code name...PP

I'm shocked to hear that a programmer earns 50k salary. I highly doubt the story and if true, then he must be a website designer or website manager.

50k that programmers make from freelancing a single project in a matter of days. If the story is true, then we all know why he hasn't gotten a good job as he must be a knuckle head.

techmo:


Banks don't hire Programmer the use on shelf banking software called Finacle

Banks Hire C.S all rounder for its IT needs and contracts whatever other things they need out

That's efficient

And the hotel I talked about is a 5 star hotel owned by a Dubai Shield, I have seen IT structure in many other top organisation

Hahahahahaha
I work for one and I know plenty others who are not CS grads and working for banks. Anyways e go be lmao

eph12:

As many as I see. Been a while I did though because I've been busy off upwork

Getting jobs on Upwork is also the same as offline. If you want a good job at a tech company. You have to be ready to send out over 100 applications. A lot of people send out over 200 applications, do like 60 interviews to land just one job. It's the same on Upwork. The only downside is you need money for connects. It's why I always advise new freelancers to have money to get those connects. Once you get your first five clients and do good work you won't have to be applying for jobs constantly.

The great thing about the IT field is the jobs exist. If you want to apply to 100 jobs today you can do it and there's so much variety to choose from. In some fields, there are no jobs. The jobs don't even exist. Try looking for a job in chemical engineering or petrochemical engineering and this are courses most Nigerians are dying to get into.

techmo:


Step into the real world and see, most firms don't need coding of project always, except for the likes of NASA, Google , Facebook etc

Most firms need an all-round IT guy

For instance a 5 star hotel (grand Excelsior/ Holliday Inn) Abu Shagara Sharjah in UAE offered a job for a MIS ERP design and implementation project that lasted less than 6 months and upon project completion the HR made it clear what their new IT needs are, and only offered Full Employment for few C.S guys why booting out the Indian coders

Where did you hear that from? You're a clown. Everyone is agile now and build features iteratively. In the world of competing products, new feature releases roled out regularly by competing companies, you're confidently saying "MOST firms don't need a coding of project products always"? That's some bull man.

philip0906:

I'm shocked to hear that a programmer earns 50k salary. I highly doubt the story and if true, then he must be a website designer or website manager.

50k that programmers make from freelancing a single project in a matter of days. If the story is true, then we all know why he hasn't gotten a good job as he must be a knuckle head.

It's like you did not read the thread, a trait of a knuckle head!

I'm talking about someone whose second job pays him more than #120, 000 with free lunch.

READ THE THREAD!

tensazangetsu20:

Getting jobs on Upwork is also the same as offline. If you want a good job at a tech company. You have to be ready to send out over 100 applications. A lot of people send out over 200 applications, do like 60 interviews to land just one job. It's the same on Upwork. The only downside is you need money for connects. It's why I always advise new freelancers to have money to get those connects. Once you get your first five clients and do good work you won't have to be applying for jobs constantly.

The great thing about the IT field is the jobs exist. If you want to apply to 100 jobs today you can do it and there's so much variety to choose from. In some fields, there are no jobs. The jobs don't even exist. Try looking for a job in chemical engineering or petrochemical engineering and this are courses most Nigerians are dying to get into.

Yeah the connect was the issue. So you're saying one have to set money aside to pay to apply for the jobs ?

Eddee:


My brother, it wasn't easy. Fresh out of NYSC (squandered all the allawee), struggling with professional exams, courses on taxation, supply chain management and general program management. Those 6 months roaming around Diplomatic Drive in Abuja weren't fun. No money, struggling to pay my rent in Jahi as my Dad felt I should return home and sit in, while he works his contacts for those type of job placement promises that take 10 years for fulfillment. The people I met around that vicinity shaped my outlook towards life, I realized wealth was not made just transferred - you just need to know where to look!

90% of very wealthy and very very successful people I have come across and was opportune to speak to about how they turned out to be successful in life be it business wise,politically, top post in offices,tend to have a helping hand ( connect). Either by father,mother, family,godther,godmother,boss or a good samaritan. To those few fractions of the very wealthy ones who beat their chest to say they did it on their own,i doff my hat.

Truth is it ain't easy brother.

philip0906:

Where did you hear that from? You're a clown. Everyone is agile now and build features iteratively. In the world of competing products, new feature releases roled out regularly by competing companies, you're confidently saying "MOST firms don't need a coding of project products always"? That's some bull man.

That guy was so ignorantly spilling nonsense with confidence. Wow

sholarr12:

You response is the closest to the answer. Perhaps, the thread isn't clear enough.

What I really want to know is:

If a programmer is working in an organization that depends on getting projects from clients like other companies or individuals, what is the fate of Programmers working in such an organization if the company does not have projects to work on for maybe 3 or 4 months?

So far it is employment, the company must pay for arrears for the number of months, it is a debt. Else, they should convert to freelance staff.

eph12:

Yeah the connect was the issue. So you're saying one have to set money aside to pay to apply for the jobs ?

Yes that's the Koko. If you can set down 50000 naira for connects and apply to jobs like a mad man you will make that money back 10 times.

sholarr12:

It's like you did not read the thread, a trait of a knuckle head!

Read what thread? That a programmer earns 50k as monthly salary? What kind of programmer is that?

50k is approximately $120 and any programmer can easily picket that from freelancing in just days.

Just maybe, you're the programmer...I'm sorry, you're a knuckle head and a shame to programmers.

sholarr12:

You response is the closest to the answer. Perhaps, the thread isn't clear enough.

What I really want to know is:

If a programmer is working in an organization that depends on getting projects from clients like other companies or individuals, what is the fate of Programmers working in such an organization if the company does not have projects to work on for maybe 3 or 4 months?

I'll answer this question, once you can tell me who outsources to this organization the programmer in question works for.

dannybrasky:


90% of very wealthy and very very successful people I have come across and was opportune to speak to about how they turned out to be successful in life be it business wise politically, top post in offices,tend to have a helping hand ( connect). Either by father,mother, family,godther,godmother,boss or a good samaritan. To those few fractions of the very wealthy ones who beat their chest to say they did it on their own,i doff my hat.

Truth is it ain't easy brother.

YOU ARE A REALIST!

tensazangetsu20:

Yes that's the Koko. If you can set down 50000 naira for connects and apply to jobs like a mad man you will make that money back 10 times.

Hmmm alright. Thanks for this