WINNERSMOG:


Honestly, now I really see you genuinely need knowledge and understanding, and that you’re not doing this for the sake of it.

The Bishop keeps gathering people so that they can be taught the Word of God, then their faith will develop and they will be able to receive from God easily. Just like the word of God says: if there is no preacher, how will the people hear? Rims 10:14

This was the same thing Jesus was doing when he was here on earth, he had to go around preaching about the goodness of God, so that people could hear him, get faith and receive whatever they wanted from God.

Go and read the gospels well, you’d notice that all that received miracles from Jesus had heard about what he was preaching, they believed, came to him and were delivered- this is the fundamentals of faith. Rom 10:17

Wrong , So you didn't read that Jesus healed a blind man that didnt believe in him OR KNOW HIM ?

Barristter07:


Wrong , So you didn't read that Jesus healed a blind man that didnt believe in him OR KNOW HIM ?

Don’t assume. Please quote where Jesus healed anybody that didn’t have faith in him. Faith in Jesus is the prerequisite to receiving from God, ALWAYS.

Barristter07:


Wrong, Jesus healed a man who doesnt have faith in him

Please, study and stop assuming things. Quote where Jesus healed people without faith in him in the Bible.

WINNERSMOG:


Please, study and stop assuming things. Quote where Jesus healed people without faith in him in the Bible.

Let's be patient .....

...I think he's still checking the scriptures

WINNERSMOG:
Please, study and stop assuming things. Quote where Jesus healed people without faith in him in the Bible.

Here, the demon-possessed men had no faith.
Remember, even though you suggested earlier that even though the men themselves did not believe, the belief of the demons was enough to aid Jesus in kicking the demons out of the men.?
ROLFMAO!

Matthew 8 vs 53-10 (ERV)
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28. Jesus arrived at the other side of the lake in the country of the Gadarene[b] people. There, two men who had demons inside them came to him. They lived in the burial caves and were so dangerous that no one could use the road by those caves.
29. They came to Jesus and shouted, “What do you want with us, Son of God? Did you come here to punish us before the right time?”
30. Near that place there was a large herd of pigs feeding.
31. The demons begged Jesus, “If you make us leave these men, please send us into that herd of pigs.”
32. Jesus said to them, “Go!” So the demons left the men and went into the pigs. Then the whole herd of pigs ran down the hill into the lake, and all were drowned.
33. The men who had the work of caring for the pigs ran away. They went into town and told the people everything that happened, especially about the men who had the demons.
34. Then the whole town went out to see Jesus. When the people saw him, they begged him to leave their area.

I wonder why many of you Christians are constantly trying to kick demons out of every place and never really getting it at a first go since demons have belief enough to aid you all in your attempts to kick them out, like they did Jesus Christ, right?

There are so many examples of people who didn't have faith who were healed by Jesus Christ. Why do you keep flipping back and forth?

XXXXTENTACION:
fanatism can make people to be foolish at times but this your own dey another level

a man tells you he has not taken any injection for 51 years and you believe him are you not stupid

This cannot be impossible na.
There are people who have similar health history, though not common.
Easy bro.

mindtricks:
This cannot be impossible na.
There are people who have similar health history, though not common.
Easy bro.

Jesus Christ promised His followers that there will indeed be suffering - He told them to expect it.
So for a so-called man of God to pretend that the reason He does not suffer illness like those without do, is somehow because he has more faith, or whatever he wants to call it, than those who experience suffering in that area, is a terrible thing indeed.

Kobojunkie:
Here, the demon-possessed men had no faith.
Remember, even though you suggested earlier that even though the men themselves did not believe, the belief of the demons was enough to aid Jesus in kicking the demons out of the men.?
ROLFMAO!

I wonder why many of you Christians are constantly trying to kick demons out of every place and never really getting it at a first go since demons have belief enough to aid you all in your attempts to kick them out, like they did Jesus Christ, right?

There are so many examples of people who didn't have faith who were healed by Jesus Christ. Why do you keep flipping back and forth?

The men came to him. vs 28. Jesus didn’t go to them. Why did they come to Jesus? Why didn’t they go elsewhere? They knew Jesus had the power. They came to him submitted to him, then they were delivered. This is consistent throughout the scriptures. Stop making a joke out of yourself and learn bro. Read and learn sir. It is not Greek it’s English na.

Kobojunkie:
Jesus Christ promised His followers that there will indeed be suffering - He told them to expect it.
So for a so-called man of God to pretend that the reason He does not suffer illness like those without do, is somehow because he has more faith, or whatever he wants to call it, than those who experience suffering in that area, is a terrible thing indeed.

He never promised suffering from sickness bro. He was talking about persecution by men for believing in Him. Check through scriptures, you’d never see it mentioned that Jesus or any of his disciples fell ill. You only need your spiritual eyes to understand this things. Jesus freed us from sickness and disease by virtue of his death and resurrection. Matt 8:17. Read, learn, be free.

Kobojunkie, feel free to quote any other scripture where people didn’t believe in Jesus and yet they were delivered, and I’d help you to read and understand scriptures. Stop closing your eyes to the truth because of what you have believed previously. When you know the truth it shall set you free.

WINNERSMOG:
He never promised suffering from sickness bro. He was talking about persecution by men for believing in Him. Check through scriptures, you’d never see it mentioned that Jesus or any of his disciples fell ill. You only need your spiritual eyes to understand this things. Jesus freed us from sickness and disease by virtue of his death and resurrection. Matt 8:17. Read, learn, be free.

What was your pastor saying about afflictions earlier?

Matthew 10:38
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38. And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me

Matthew 13:21
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21. yet he has no firm root in himself, but is only temporary, and when affliction or persecution arises because of the word, immediately he falls away.

Kobojunkie:
What was your pastor saying about afflictions earlier?

He was saying this: Luke 10:19 Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.

And this: Matt 8:16 When the even was come, they BROUGHT UNTO HIM many that were possessed with devils: and he cast out the spirits with his word, and healed all that were sick:
17 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying, Himself took our infirmities, and bare our sicknesses.

WINNERSMOG:


Don’t assume. Please quote where Jesus healed anybody that didn’t have faith in him. Faith in Jesus is the prerequisite to receiving from God, ALWAYS.

You are using the Faith lie to make excuses for Ya pastors ba!!! Follow me to John 9

Verse 6_7 , Jesus healed a Blind man

The work of healing has been done. But does this man believe in Jesus ? Verse 35,36 answers

" Jesus heard that they had thrown him out, and when he found him, he said, "Do you believe in the Son of Man?" "Who is he, sir?" the man asked. "Tell me so that I may believe in him." NIV

He didnt KNOW HIM NOR BELIEVE IN HIM

Does the man lack of faith prevent the miracle like ya pastors do say, Whats Ya say?

?? ?? ??

Barristter07:

You are using the Faith lie to make excuses for Ya pastors ba!!! Follow me to John 9

Verse 6_7 , Jesus healed a Blind man

The work of healing has been done. But does this man believe in Jesus ? Verse 35,36 answers

" Jesus heard that they had thrown him out, and when he found him, he said, "Do you believe in the Son of Man?" "Who is he, sir?" the man asked. "Tell me so that I may believe in him." NIV

He didnt KNOW HIM NOR BELIEVE IN HIM

Does the man lack of faith prevent the miracle like ya pastors do say, Whats Ya say?

?? ?? ??

Lol. You came back after 4 days of searching? You tried sha, yet you didn’t do a thorough job my friend. Why did you leave vs 7 out?

7 And said unto him, Go, wash in the pool of Siloam, (which is by interpretation, Sent.) He went his way therefore, and washed, and came seeing.

Interpretation:

Jesus told him what to do, he believed, he did it, then he came back seeing. If he didn’t believe( have faith) he would not have done what Jesus commanded. And if he didn’t play his part by believing what Jesus told him, he wouldn’t have seen. Can you see it?

This are the fundamentals of faith and it is consistent all through the Bible bro. Please next time endeavor to read to understand, don’t just read because you want to prove an invalid point sir.

WINNERSMOG:


Lol. You came back after 4 days of searching? You tried sha, yet you didn’t do a thorough job my friend. Why did you leave vs 7 out?

Nope, am busy outside of here .

7 And said unto him, Go, wash in the pool of Siloam, (which is by interpretation, Sent.) He went his way therefore, and washed, and came seeing.

Interpretation:

Jesus told him what to do, he believed, he did it, then he came back seeing. If he didn’t believe( have faith) he would not have done what Jesus commanded. And if he didn’t play his part by believing what Jesus told him, he wouldn’t have seen. Can you see it?

This are the fundamentals of faith and it is consistent all through the Bible bro. Please next time endeavor to read to understand, don’t just read because you want to prove an invalid point sir.

You ain't clever at all .

Here is your post again :

WINNERSMOG

Please quote where Jesus healed anybody that didn’t have faith in him.

" Jesus heard that they had thrown him out, and when he found him, he said, "Do you believe in the Son of Man?" "Who is he, sir?" the man asked. "Tell me so that I may believe in him." NIV

Once again : Does the Man has Faith in Jesus before his eyes were open ?? Did he even know Jesus ??

Barristter07:


Nope, am busy outside of here .



You ain't clever at all .

Here is your post again :







" Jesus heard that they had thrown him out, and when he found him, he said, "Do you believe in the Son of Man?" "Who is he, sir?" the man asked. "Tell me so that I may believe in him." NIV

Once again : Does the Man has Faith in Jesus before his eyes were open ?? Did he even know Jesus ??

When you know and understand the Word of God, life is demystified bro. God’s word is not rocket science, he deliberately made it easy so that all can understand it. What is faith? Faith is believing in the word of God and acting on it, then you get the results. That’s what all the patriarchs in the scriptures did.

Now, let’s come down to this blind man. He didn’t know who Jesus was, he didn’t believe in Jesus as a person. But he believed the words of Jesus in vs 7(thus believing in him), he acted upon it, and then he gained his sight.

Stop making the word of God look like rocket science. There are no exceptions to the workings of faith in the scriptures, that’s why you can’t locate another example, and even this one you’re pointing out is so clear for all to see. Let me repeat myself for emphasis: Faith is believing the word of God, acting on it, then God performs the miracle.

Runjozi:



Oga 51 years without taking any vaccine sir if you belief this you can belief anything.

There are many like that who are not pastors.

WINNERSMOG:


When you know and understand the Word of God, life is demystified bro. God’s word is not rocket science, he deliberately made it easy so that all can understand it. What is faith? Faith is believing in the word of God and acting on it, then you get the results. That’s what all the patriarchs in the scriptures did.

Now, let’s come down to this blind man. He didn’t know who Jesus was, he didn’t believe in Jesus as a person.

This goes contrary to your earlier post that said Jesus didn't heal anyone that didnt believe in him. Which means You lied all along that Faith in Jesus as a person is required for miracles .

But he believed the words of Jesus in vs 7(thus believing in him), he acted upon it, and then he gained his sight.

Stop making the word of God look like rocket science. There are no exceptions to the workings of faith in the scriptures, that’s why you can’t locate another example, and even this one you’re pointing out is so clear for all to see. Let me repeat myself for emphasis: Faith is believing the word of God, acting on it, then God performs the miracle.

Plain FAT LIE, the bracket is a lie. He didn't know Jesus , neither did he believed in him. Following is orders is not a matter of believe , its a matter of CURIOSITY. Note what he told the pharisees ...

" The man called Jesus made a paste ( with mud and saliva if you recall) and smeared it on my eyes and said to me, Go to Siloam and wash , So I went and washed and gained sight " John 9:11

Jesus never told him he will see when he washed ., HE WENT TO WASH that paste on his eyes ... To wash!!! Not a matter of faith in Jesus !!!


Faith or not Genuine miracles are done. Not this Fraud done today in churches.

Tuska:


There are many like that who are not pastors.

Many who do not even believe in God, but here we have a man of God who probably has it but is using it instead to fill seats in his church. How is he any different from the charlatans, the other snakeoil salesmen out there?
And please don't say because this one quotes verses from the bible.

Barristter07:


This goes contrary to your earlier post that said Jesus didn't heal anyone that didnt believe in him. Which means You lied all along that Faith in Jesus as a person is required for miracles .



Plain FAT LIE, the bracket is a lie. He didn't know Jesus , neither did he believed in him. Following is orders is not a matter of believe , its a matter of CURIOSITY. Note what he told the pharisees ...

" The man called Jesus made a paste ( with mud and saliva if you recall) and smeared it on my eyes and said to me, Go to Siloam and wash , So I went and washed and gained sight " John 9:11

Jesus never told him he will see when he washed ., HE WENT TO WASH that paste on his eyes ... To wash!!! Not a matter of faith in Jesus !!!


Faith or not Genuine miracles are done. Not this Fraud done today in churches.

Only if you’d learn to compare spiritual things with spiritual. God and His word are one and the same thing. Thus says the Bible. The man believed in the word of Jesus (God) and he was healed= the man believed in Jesus (the word) and was healed.

The same thing is happening today, nobody has seen Jesus in person, yet we believe in his word, we do his word and we are delivered. My friend stop shutting your eyes to the glaring truth. Only the truth can set you free

WINNERSMOG:


Only if you’d learn to compare spiritual things with spiritual. God and His word are one and the same thing. Thus says the Bible. The man believed in the word of Jesus (God) and he was healed= the man believed in Jesus (the word) and was healed.

The same thing is happening today, nobody has seen Jesus in person, yet we believe in his word, we do his word and we are delivered. My friend stop shutting your eyes to the glaring truth. Only the truth can set you free

Stop lying , the man ask " Who is he that I may believe in him " after the eyes are opened ... He didn't believe in any Jesus or his word to get healed. To believe Jesus statement, you must believe in him. He didn't. You are just lying.

This is why you can't defend your first statement.

Barristter07:


Stop lying , the man ask " Who is he that I may believe in him " after the eyes are opened ... He didn't believe in any Jesus or his word to get healed. To believe Jesus statement, you must believe in him. He didn't. You are just lying.

This is why you can't defend your first statement.

I was waiting for that!

Barristter07:


Stop lying , the man ask " Who is he that I may believe in him " after the eyes are opened ... He didn't believe in any Jesus or his word to get healed. To believe Jesus statement, you must believe in him. He didn't. You are just lying.

This is why you can't defend your first statement.

I’m trying to make you understand scriptures and you are just shutting down. . “Stop lying” got me laughing so hard brother. That’s what we said as kids when we knew an argument was lost.

This thing I’m telling you is consistent in scriptures. You won’t find any exceptions. Study, learn and be free. God does not do magic. He always works by our faith.

WINNERSMOG:


I’m trying to make you understand scriptures and you are just shutting down. . “Stop lying” got me laughing so hard brother. That’s what we said as kids when we knew an argument was lost.

This thing I’m telling you is consistent in scriptures. You won’t find any exceptions. Study, learn and be free. God does not do magic. He always works by our faith.

Not true. Nothing like Faith in Jesus in those texts .

Here is your lie .

WINNERSMOG

Please quote where Jesus healed anybody that didn’t have faith in him.

After the truth hit you , you said .

WINNERSMOG
Now, let’s come down to this blind man. He didn’t know who Jesus was, he didn’t believe in Jesus as a person.

Its glaring for all to see.

Kobojunkie:

I was waiting for that!

Didnt he ?
The text is clear enough .


There Re numerous examples where people are healed and they dont know Jesus or have faith in him. Another was the night they came to arrest him and peter cut off someone's ear , one of Jesus enemies ... He restored It. If he had faith in him , would he come and arrest Jesus ??

WINNERSMOG:
Kobojunkie, feel free to quote any other scripture where people didn’t believe in Jesus and yet they were delivered, and I’d help you to read and understand scriptures. Stop closing your eyes to the truth because of what you have believed previously. When you know the truth it shall set you free.

WINNERSMOG

He didn’t know who Jesus was, he didn’t believe in Jesus as a person.

Sweeping away the refugee of lies.

Barristter07:




Sweeping away the refugee of lies.

I see you are not reading my posts at all (I wish you were so you could learn) but you are just bent on proving your invalid points. Just like Jesus could not force miracles on anyone- not even in his own home country- I cannot force the truth on you. Soon your eyes will open so that you don’t keep waiting for miracles without faith all your life when you can get it by faith NOW. Hebrews 11:6

WINNERSMOG:


I’m trying to make you understand scriptures and you are just shutting down. . “Stop lying” got me laughing so hard brother. That’s what we said as kids when we knew an argument was lost.

This thing I’m telling you is consistent in scriptures. You won’t find any exceptions. Study, learn and be free. God does not do magic. He always works by our faith.

You have been avoiding my mentions, I don't know why.

Luke 22:50,51. Jesus healed the man called malchus after his ear was cut off by Peter without the man having faith in him. Nowhere in the gospels of Matt, mark, luke or John does it ever mention the man had faith in Jesus, rather it mentions he came with the crowd to arrest Jesus that night.

Cc petra1

WINNERSMOG:


I’m trying to make you understand scriptures and you are just shutting down. . “Stop lying” got me laughing so hard brother. That’s what we said as kids when we knew an argument was lost.

This thing I’m telling you is consistent in scriptures. You won’t find any exceptions. Study, learn and be free. God does not do magic. He always works by our faith.

John 5 :1-9 the man Jesus healed at the pool, Jesus observed him that he could not go into the pool on his own. Jesus approached him and asked him if he wanted to get well?

The man didn't know who Jesus was and that he could heal, he thought Jesus was a sympathizer. so instead of saying yes or no to Jesus, he said he wanted to get in the pool to get healed. Jesus seeing that the man does not know him or his ability to heal, commanded him to get up and walk and he did, even without the man setting feet into the pool.

Petra1

WINNERSMOG:


I see you are not reading my posts at all (I wish you were so you could learn) but you are just bent on proving your invalid points. Just like Jesus could not force miracles on anyone- not even in his own home country- I cannot force the truth on you. Soon your eyes will open so that you don’t keep waiting for miracles without faith all your life when you can get it by faith NOW. Hebrews 11:6

Stop making excuses for your Failed so called men of God. Christ doesnt need anyone to believe in him before any miracle.

This you testified below.

WINNERSMOG

He didn’t know who Jesus was, he didn’t believe in Jesus as a person.

Truth will always prevail over lies.

Matthew 7:22,23 says it all Jesus will tell them Y'all are workers of lawlessness.

onlyfacts:


John 5 :1-9 the man Jesus healed at the pool, Jesus observed him that he could not go into the pool on his own. Jesus approached him and asked him if he wanted to get well?

The man didn't know who Jesus was and that he could heal, he thought Jesus was a sympathizer. so instead of saying yes or no to Jesus, he said he wanted to get in the pool to get healed. Jesus seeing that the man does not know him or his ability to heal, commanded him to get up and walk and he did, even without the man setting feet into the pool.

Petra1

Please before you enter into any discussion. Try to read the genesis of such a discussion so that you won’t appear lost at the end of the day. What is faith? Faith is believing the word of God, acting on it, and then God performs the miracle. You will see this definition in my previous posts.

This lame man your are talking about, wanted healing. He was at a pool that could heal him but there was nobody to help him in. Then Jesus saw him and had compassion on him and instructed him to get up and be healed. The man believed Jesus and got up. Why didn’t the man ask Jesus to help him into the pool? Like I said before, he believed in the words of Jesus more than any pool, he acted on it and was healed. I really hope this helps you my friends.

WINNERSMOG:


Please before you enter into any discussion. Try to read the genesis of such a discussion so that you won’t appear lost at the end of the day. What is faith? Faith is believing the word of God, acting on it, and then God performs the miracle. You will see this definition in my previous posts.

This lame man your are talking about, wanted healing. He was at a pool that could heal him but there was nobody to help him in. Then Jesus saw him and had compassion on him and instructed him to get up and be healed. The man believed Jesus and got up. Why didn’t the man ask Jesus to help him into the pool? Like I said before, he believed in the words of Jesus more than any pool, he acted on it and was healed. I really hope this helps you my friends.

You obviously didn't read the scripture I posted. Jesus came to the man. Jesus asked him if he wanted to get healed, he never said yes or no to Jesus. He requested assistance to get into the pool.

The man doesn't even know Jesus. Read v 10 upwards to confirm.