onlyfacts:


That is why I quoted the statistics, to prove to you that I have both biblical evidence and nonbiblical evidence to prove my point that majority of the Jews did not believe in Jesus.

Infact since Judaism is the major religion is Israel guess what? The Jews are still expecting the messiah to come, they deny jesus as the messiah. You make me laugh seriously.

And who said majority of them believe in Jesus. I said every one that received a miracle from God or Jesus in the Bible put faith in God, Jesus or the Word of God. That’s the simple point I have been trying to make you see since with hard Bible facts, but you have decided not to respond...

WINNERSMOG:


This is the point my friend. Because Jesus said he died and rose again to give us divine health- Matt 8:17- we believe in that and thus we can never be affected by any form of sickness or disease. That was what gave birth to that statement he made.

So you may have to wait till eternity for him to be affected by sicknesses and diseases- you know the word of God never changes. As long as we keep believing it will always be so.

I dont need you to explain what he meant. That's not my concern.

And people dont get vaccinated because they are SICK, I dont wish anyone ill health. PEOPLE GET VACCINATED TO AVOID GETTING SICK.

I have never had yellow fever but I took the vaccine to travel. Same as your pastor. It will be the same with covid19 vaccine if it becomes mandatory, get it now?

WINNERSMOG:


And who said majority of them believe in Jesus. I said every one that received a miracle from God or Jesus in the Bible put faith in God, Jesus or the Word of God. That’s the simple point I have been trying to make you see since with hard Bible facts, but you have decided not to respond...

Just keep changing goal post, CLAIMING ALL THAT LISTENED TO JESUS HAD FAITH IN HIM.

Biblical and non biblical evidence does not support this. People that chose to free Barnabas a criminal instead of an innocent man Jesus? Na wa o

onlyfacts:


I dont need you to explain what he meant. That's not my concern.

And people dont get vaccinated because they are SICK, I dont wish anyone ill health. PEOPLE GET VACCINATED TO AVOID GETTING SICK.

I have never had yellow fever but I took the vaccine to travel. Same as your pastor. It will be the same with covid19 vaccine if it becomes mandatory, get it now?

Stop going around circles my friend. Look beyond the letters into what the spirit of God is saying. All the man is saying is, because Jesus has paid the price for our divine health, we have authority over sickness and disease. Even when sickness and disease present itself as symptoms, we are to cast them out by the authority we have in Jesus. Matt 8:17/1 Pet 2:24

onlyfacts:


Just keep changing goal post, CLAIMING ALL THAT LISTENED TO JESUS HAD FAITH IN HIM.

Biblical and non biblical evidence does not support this. People that chose to free Barnabas a criminal instead of an innocent man Jesus? Na wa o

You just said rubbish I never mentioned here my friend. Never did I say all that listened to Jesus believed in him. What I did say was, all that received from God and Jesus in the Bible did so by faith. But you said not so, that they waited for God to change their lives anytime he was ready to do so- this is complete rubbish my friend. It is not biblical at all. You should get knowledge and in all your getting, get understanding too. It will put you at liberty and in control of your life. Faith is not waiting for God to act. Faith is acting on the word of God so as to get your desired results.

WINNERSMOG:


Stop going around circles my friend. Look beyond the letters into what the spirit of God is saying. All the man is saying is, because Jesus has paid the price for our divine health, we have authority over sickness and disease. Even when sickness and disease present itself as symptoms, we are to cast them out by the authority we have in Jesus. Matt 8:17/1 Pet 2:24

As usual you keep explaining away what he meant.

The man said in case you forgot he can't take ANY vaccine. You said he meant COVID19 vaccine. Good for him then. Hopefully it is not made mandatory for international travel, cause if it's he will still turn around and take it and as usual you will run around defending him....a man that is fallible.

onlyfacts:


As usual you keep explaining away what he meant.

The man said in case you forgot he can't take ANY vaccine. You said he meant COVID19 vaccine. Good for him then. Hopefully it is not made mandatory for international travel, cause if it's he will still turn around and take it and as usual you will run around defending him....a man that is fallible.

Your problem is you don’t mind your business my friend. You are talking about a man you neither know nor hear, yet you think you can pass judgments on him? I can speak for him cos I know him and listen to him all the time.

My friend, if you don’t believe and act upon what God has said about you in his word, you can’t receive from God. This is what I what you to learn in all of this discussion.

WINNERSMOG:


Your problem is you don’t mind your business my friend. You are talking about a man you neither know nor hear, yet you think you can pass judgments on him? I can speak for him cos I know him and listen to him all the time.

My friend, if you don’t believe and act upon what God has said about you in his word, you can’t receive from God. This is what I what you to learn in all of this discussion.

I don't mind my business really? Who posted his statement here for us to read and comment? You or you? A public forum for that matter, yet I don't mind my business. Wonderful.

onlyfacts:


I don't mind my business really? Who posted his statement here for us to read and comment? You or you? A public forum for that matter, yet I don't mind my business. Wonderful.

My friend, that I posted it here does not mean you should comment about something you know nothing about- that’s what I mean by minding your business my friend.

WINNERSMOG:


You just said rubbish I never mentioned here my friend. Never did I say all that listened to Jesus believed in him. What I did say was, all that received from God and Jesus in the Bible did so by faith. But you said not so, that they waited for God to change their lives anytime he was ready to do so- this is complete rubbish my friend. It is not biblical at all. You should get knowledge and in all your getting, get understanding too. It will put you at liberty and in control of your life. Faith is not waiting for God to act. Faith is acting on the word of God so as to get your desired results.

I never said any of that. I said God's HEALING POWER works with faith or without faith on the one receiving it. It is simply a demonstration of his STRENGTH. IF IT WORKS ONLY BASED ON OUR BELIEFS/FAITH, THEN IT MEANS GOD'S POWER IS ONLY THE THING OF OUR MINDS OR IMAGINATION.

WINNERSMOG:


My friend, that I posted it here does not mean you should comment about something you know nothing about- that’s what I mean by minding your business my friend.

You don't know what minding ones business is. Next time post it in your church WhatsApp group and see if I will come there and trouble you....Always changing goal post.

onlyfacts:


You don't know what minding ones business is. Next time post it in your church WhatsApp group and see if I will come there and trouble you....Always changing goal post.

I don’t know what you have with goalposts my friend. I see you love that phrase a lot- you have used it in almost all your comments.lol. Anyway, there was just one goalpost till you came and started shifting here and there, spewing rubbish about what you know nothing about.

The only goalpost here is: for you to receive anything from God you must have faith in him, it is not by abracadabra.

WINNERSMOG:


I don’t know what you have with goalposts my friend. I see you love that phrase a lot- you have used it in almost all your comments.lol. Anyway, there was just one goalpost till you came and started shifting here and there, spewing rubbish about what you know nothing about.

The only goalpost here is: for you to receive anything from God you must have faith in him, it is not by abracadabra.

I have made my point already. I'll catch you later in the future when you come to defend your pastor concerning the matter of your topic. Bye.

onlyfacts:



I have made my point already. I'll catch you later in the future when you come to defend your pastor concerning the matter of your topic. Bye.

Okay sir

onlyfacts:

The man didn't know who Jesus was and that he could heal, he thought Jesus was a sympathizer. so instead of saying yes or no to Jesus, he said he wanted to get in the pool to get healed. Jesus seeing that the man does not know him or his ability to heal, commanded him to get up and walk and he did, even without the man setting feet into the pool.

Petra1

You’re right God can heal people by his benevolence , people have been healed in a crusade or church service without even expecting a miracle . God chooses to be God sometimes . But he also has set structures and principles . The fact that he acts above it doesn’t change the fundamentals .

onlyfacts:


Luke 22:50,51. Jesus healed the man called malchus after his ear was cut off by Peter without the man having faith in him. Nowhere in the gospels of Matt, mark, luke or John does it ever mention the man had faith in Jesus, rather it mentions he came with the crowd to arrest Jesus that night.

Cc petra1

You’re correct again . It’s an act of his benevolence and mercy . Like the Bible says

Romans 10:20
20 But Esaias is very bold, and saith, I was found of them that sought me not; I was made manifest unto them that asked not after me.

Such spectacular manifestation don’t take the place of laid down principles of faith . We receive salvation by faith , we receive Holy Spirit by faith

But their are few spectacular cases where someone receive the Holy Spirit without anyone laying hands on them and also receive healing without expecting it

petra1:


You’re correct again . It’s an act of his benevolence and mercy . Like the Bible says

Romans 10:20
20 But Esaias is very bold, and saith, I was found of them that sought me not; I was made manifest unto them that asked not after me.

Such spectacular manifestation don’t take the place of laid down principles of faith . We receive salvation by faith , we receive Holy Spirit by faith

But their are few spectacular cases where someone receive the Holy Spirit without anyone laying hands on them and also receive healing without expecting it

My friend, we receive everything from God by faith. Even when it seems we get things miraculously without asking, there must have been an intercessor somewhere praying on our behalf.

Even the coming of Jesus into the world to save mankind from darkness required faith, some people were praying for him to come.

WINNERSMOG:


My friend, we receive everything from God by faith. Even when it seems we get things miraculously without asking, there must have been an intercessor somewhere praying on our behalf.
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That’s true

WINNERSMOG:


The reason is still ignorance. Faith in God is not leaving everything for God to do- that will be an irresponsible faith. God has told you what to do, do it and you’d get results.

For example, the Bible says, “seest thou a man diligent in his business, he shall stand before kings he shall not stand before ordinary men.” Meaning, be diligent in whatever business you’re doing and you will stand out. It will be foolishness for any man to keep praying for outstanding results if he is not diligent.

When you pray to God, he shows you what to do from his word. If you do it you’d enjoy the benefits, if not you will remain backward.

Don't you think that refusing vaccination is an irresponsible faith?

petra1:


You’re right God can heal people by his benevolence , people have been healed in a crusade or church service without even expecting a miracle . God chooses to be God sometimes . But he also has set structures and principles . The fact that he acts above it doesn’t change the fundamentals .

You have said it all

There is power in the blood of Jesus Christ

ijedeikorodu:
There is power in the blood of Jesus Christ

In the name, not the blood

ijedeikorodu:
There is power in the blood of Jesus Christ

Amen. Hallelujah. There is power in the blood of Jesus. Rev 12:11

BluntTheApostle:

Don't you think that refusing vaccination is an irresponsible faith?

I think believing in vaccine than the word of God is irresponsible faith .

2 Chronicles 16:12
And Asa in the thirty and ninth year of his reign was diseased in his feet, until his disease was exceeding great: yet in his disease he sought not to the LORD, but to the physicians.

Jeremiah 17:5
Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD.

Psalms 20:7
Some trust in chariots, and some in horses:
but we will remember the name of the LORD our God.

petra1:


I think believing in vaccine than the word of God is irresponsible faith .

2 Chronicles 16:12
And Asa in the thirty and ninth year of his reign was diseased in his feet, until his disease was exceeding great: yet in his disease he sought not to the LORD, but to the physicians.

Jeremiah 17:5
Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD.

Psalms 20:7
Some trust in chariots, and some in horses:
but we will remember the name of the LORD our God.

You are confusing matters.

Asa did not seek God (which is obviously an absence of faith in God).

Asa did not exhibit irresponsible faith. Rather, he exhibited a total lack of faith in God.

Irresponsible faith, on the other hand, means a zealous faith that lacks wisdom or caution.

Taking vaccines does not mean you lack faith in God. It means that you have faith in the work of God through doctors and science.

BluntTheApostle:


You are confusing matters..

Taking vaccines does not mean you lack faith in God. It means that you have faith in the work of God through doctors and science.

Is that what Jesus taught . Is that What he died for? Where is the healing power of the church . We Put trust scientist than Gods word . Just like Asa and the woman with the issue of blood

1 Timothy 6:20-21
20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called: 21 Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with thee. Amen.

petra1:


Is that what Jesus taught . Is that What he died for? Where is the healing power of the church . We Put trust scientist than Gods word . Just like Asa and the woman with the issue of blood

1 Timothy 6:20-21
20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called: 21 Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with thee. Amen.

You are taking Bible verses out of context.

Science is not vain babblings, neither does it necessarily oppose the Word of God.

Even Cyrus, a pagan king, was used by God to free the Jews from captivity, and rebuild the Temple. Cyrus, a pagan king, was called the Lord's anointed.

It is the same with science. Science itself began on that day that God created the Heavens and the Earth. The world itself is a manifestation of God's presence and works.

BluntTheApostle:


You are taking Bible verses out of context.

Science is not vain babblings, neither does it necessarily oppose the Word of God.

Science is for the carnal . Well I didnt write the bible .

Even Cyrus, a pagan king, was used by God to free the Jews from captivity, and rebuild the Temple. Cyrus, a pagan king, was called the Lord's anointed

You seem to be the one quoting out of context now. What has this to do with healing. Maybe we can go to babalawo na. And also consult witches no be pagan?

The scriptures can't be broken . God is jehovah rapha. Yesterday today and for ever.

2Ch 16:12 — 2Ch 16:13
And Asa in the thirty and ninth year of his reign was diseased in his feet, until his disease was exceeding great: yet in his disease he sought not to the LORD, but to the physicians.
And Asa slept with his fathers, and died in the one and fortieth year of his reign.

Mar 5:25 — Mar 5:26
And a certain woman, which had an issue of blood twelve years, And had suffered many things of many physicians, and had spent all that she had, and was nothing bettered, but rather grew worse,

Jam 5:13 — Jam 5:15
Is any among you afflicted? let him pray. Is any merry? let him sing psalms. Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord: And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.

Mar 16:17 — Mar 16:18
And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.