ykalhaji:
Jesus christ... A thread to celebrate oneness and unity has now been turned to one that showcases our differences. See the whole southern Nigeria, North East, Middlebelt, Niger/Nupe area all have the same ancestors. The only folks in Nigeria that are different but through time have now assimilated and intermarried are the fulanis, core North Western Hausas and the Cross River/Akwa Ibom tribes.

The Yorubas, Edos/Bini, Ibos and all the minorities in between are from the Igalas who were the first to get to the River Niger and River Benue and the Igalas originally came from the North East present day Lake Chad area, who spread westward as Ebira,(who continued downwards and with the help of some natives and some bini formed the Yoruba nation states), southwards as the Bini, Eastward as the Ibos. For over 1000 years all these people knew they were related, thry inter-married, traded e.t.c. until the advent of the English and the Fulanis which brought trade and other opportunities thereby creating serious wars and the need to present superiority over other settlements, before this period the only degree of seperation was your settlement(You can tell this is true by how villages/settlements were willing to pick their monarchs from other settlements because they all knew they were related)
So the sooner we realize we are all one but our fore-fathers along 1,500 years created different settlements from Lake Chad, via lake Benue, to the lagos lagoon and delta creeks the sooner we start building our own nationhood.

AreaFada2:

As late as 1940s, no Yoruba king used the title Oba. Yes, people knew them as "Oba". But why has Oba become part of every King's title since the last 40 to 50 years? How did it become generic?

AreaFada2:
... you couldn't see where I wrote that your kings may well have been known as Obas, possibly much later in history, they never appended the title Oba.

You are quoting what someone wrote in 1840s. Can you compare that to a letter written from Benin to Lisbon by a Portuguese in 1516 clearly mentioning Oba of Beny (Benin), and Benin-Idah war that began over a year earlier and still raging at the time?

When Benin sacked Akure in 1818 and beheaded their king Arakale for rebellion, all documented evidence never attached the title Oba to Deji of Akure.

Same was the case with Kings' titles throughout lands that the Muslims later baptised Yoruba (to mean untrustworthy, deceitful, unreliable, etc).

Let me remind you that many yoruba people come with their condescending attitude, self given title of over educated and sophisticated, like they founded Oxford, Cambridge, Harvard, Sorbonne, Heidelberg, Bologna, Leuven, Karolinska, etc.

They then argue blindly hoping to get no opposition. They end up swearing like a common agbero so prevalent in SW. I Know your antics by now.

TAO11:
You heaped the above inherently contradictory dogshit even with false timelines, but yet when put in your little place by sesan85 (who showed the use of the word "Oba" in relation to a Yoruba monarch in the 1800s), you threw further tantrums as well as lies which I will expose in a moment.

Do you even bother to read what you type before clicking "Submit"?


If you actually do read your own comments before submitting, then you would have saved yourself from this self-embarrassing statement to the effect that the use of the word "Oba" for a Yoruba monarch in the 1800s (as shown by sesan85) was subsequent the year 1940s.

No! 1800s came before 1940s, okay?

The chief propagandist, David Edebiri (the Esogban of Benin) has clearly done a huge damage to your already pea-sized, one-cell brain.

You are such a fatuous, janus-faced, insanely moronic liar.

There was no use of the word "Oba" in any 1516 Portuguese letter.

I challenge you to provide the content of the Benin letter showing the audio word "Oba". Also, provide the full reference to the content so everyone else can also see through your lies. Idiot.

On the contrary, Reverend Samuel Johnson writing in the 1800s (specifically prior to the year1898) made many references to the word "Oba" as used for different Yoruba kings who ruled in the 1700s, 1600s, and 1500s.

Quoting word-for-word directly from his writing, the following are a few examples of such use:

(1) "Several points of similarity may be noted between the ALAFIN and his Basorun. The ALAFIN is Oba (a king), he is Iba (a lord)."

(2) "From this incident, King ABIPA was nick-named Oba M'oro (the King who caught ghosts)."

(3) "And this has passed into proverb, "Oku dede ki a ko iwi wo Akesan, Oba, Jayin te ori gba aso". (At the approach to Akesan of a company of chanting Eguguns, King JAYIN buried his head in a shroud.) Used of one who anticipates the inevitable."

(4) "Oaths were no more taken in the name of the gods, who were now considered too lenient and indifferent; but rather in the name of the King [i.e. King AOLE himself] who was more dreaded. "Ida Oba ni yio je mi" (may the King's sword destroy me) was the new form of oath!"

Reference: Samuel Johnson, "The History of the Yorubas". Completed 1897, Published 1921. pp.71, 166, 171, and 188 respectively.

In your subsequent reply to this, remeber to adduce some of these so-called "all documented evidence", and how they showed that the then Deji of Akure was not an "Oba".

Wait a minute, how come Akure has "Deji" instead of "Enogie"? Isn't Akure supposed to be a tRiBuTaRy uNdEr BeNiN kInGdOm? LMAO!

Your ignorance in this regards stinks to high heavens.

First of all, the word "Ya.ri.ba" which you seem to be alluding to here (as is popularly used by Nairaland ignoramus) is an early European attempt at rendering of the word "Yoruba" (I will provide the reference for this as soon as I find it shortly).

Interestingly, this word "Ya.ri.ba" is meaningless in the languages of the Hausas and Fulanis.

May be we should replicate your base reasoning here to concluded that the word "Benin" -- which was similarly an European attempt at rendering the word "Ubini" -- originally relates to Gays because the word "Benin" could mean "Boys" in Arabic.

Yes!

Nope. Unlike you and other notorious Edo liars, we don't have any need for lies when it has to do with our history.

Accept who you are -- An Edo slave of the Yoruba-King of Benin.

cc: RuggedSniper.

RuggedSniper:
STOP POSTING FAKE NEWS which the Oba of Lagos has denied making. Cc: TAO11, hope you are OK?... Pls my darling "omo Eko," school them some more.

prezeus:

Bros was akure not under Benin rulership for 100s of years ??

TAO11:


Short answer: No, it wasnt at any time.

Long answer: Many early writtings making statements to the effect that Benin was suzerain over some eastern and southern fronteir Yoruba Kindoms are statements emanating originally from Benin.

Such statements are not corroborated (in fact contradicted) by these Yoruba kingdoms.

Olfert Dapper in the 1600s (who first of all wasn't an eyewitness) first documented such statements emanating from Benin. J. Barbot used Olfert Dapper without acknowledgment and added his own details.

Moreover, H.L. Gallwey writing from Benin also documented similar statements to the effect that Benin owned the land up to around Lokoja. In fact, many modern Bini people still strongly believe that their Oba owned the land up to London. So, you can imagine what the thinking was in the past.

prezeus:

Is this your final answer??

TAO11:


You may refer again to my comment if you beleive you're missing any part of it.

prezeus:

I know you are not happy that a small tribe like benin once dominated you guys

but you can't change history. Akure was once under the control of the Benin empire. I don't have energy to keep this debate going on , I wish there was voice recording on this app. Every credible site agrees in the reach of the Benin empire except you online warriors. This is from BBC.

prezeus:
More

prezeus:
Here

prezeus:
See

prezeus:
Here

TAO11:
Benin Kingdom was established and ruled by the Yoruba monarchy from if that's what you meant here.
How about the oba of Lagos account ?
This was from his interview with guardian newspaper.
Please make sure your sources are reputable .








Smiles!

This BBC screenshot is not an eyewitness account. It doesn't matter if the editor is light-skinned.

Like I have already informed you, there are a number of accounts which makes this claim. And they all emanate from Benin itself.

In fact, the earliest documentation of such accounts from Benin[/b] is via Olfert Dapper who himself was not an eyewitness as he never travelled outside of the Netherlands throughout his entire life.

Another key blow against you is the fact that Akure traditional account does not corroborate any such imperial domination by Benin. Rather, it was contradicted.

May God help you in your ongoing battle against your small-tribe syndrome.

Cheer!

prezeus:
I, prezeus, am suffering from the "small tribe syndrome"

TAO11:


Short answer: No, it wasnt at any time.

Long answer: Many early writtings making statements to the effect that Benin was suzerain over some eastern and southern fronteir Yoruba Kindoms are statements emanating originally from Benin.

Such statements are not corroborated (in fact contradicted) by these Yoruba kingdoms.

Olfert Dapper in the 1600s (who first of all wasn't an eyewitness) first documented such statements emanating from Benin. J. Barbot used Olfert Dapper without acknowledgment and added his own details.

Moreover, H.L. Gallwey writing from Benin also documented similar statements to the effect that Benin owned the land up to around Lokoja. In fact, many modern Bini people still strongly believe that their Oba owned the land up to London. So, you can imagine what the thinking was in the past.
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To balance this out actually, the frontier eastern and southern Yoruba kingdoms and the Benin Kingdom both mutually consider each other to be one band of brothers from Ife and didn't by default see each other as enemies.

The Binis who were veteran long distance traders had the practice of settling down away from home, and establishing resident trading communities. The Bini resident trading communities often remit tributes (from trade gain) back home to their king through their leaders known as "Olotu Ado", or "Olotu Ekiran", or, in bigger towns, "Balekale".

On the whole then, conflicts between these kingdoms appear basically in the context of trade disputes as opposed to imperial ascendancy which it has usually been often misrepresented based on exaggerations from the Benin side back at home.

No doubt, the Benin kingdom appears to be the militarily stronger brother-kingdom in that axis. Other kingdoms in the axis may then have, for this particular reason acknowledged its seniority with gifts.

But imperial rule and domination was clearly out of the question from the account of these other kingdoms.

TAO11:
You heaped the above inherently contradictory dogshit even with false timelines, but yet when put in your little place by sesan85 (who showed the use of the word "Oba" in relation to a Yoruba monarch in the 1800s), you threw further tantrums as well as lies which I will expose in a moment.

Do you even bother to read what you type before clicking "Submit"?

If you actually do read your own comments before submitting, then you would have saved yourself from this self-embarrassing statement to the effect that the use of the word "Oba" for a Yoruba monarch in the 1800s (as shown by sesan85) was subsequent the year 1940s.

No! 1800s came before 1940s, okay?

The chief propagandist, David Edebiri (the Esogban of Benin) has clearly done a huge damage to your already pea-sized, one-cell brain.

You are such a fatuous, janus-faced, insanely moronic liar.

There was no use of the word "Oba" in any 1516 Portuguese letter.

I challenge you to provide the content of the Benin letter showing the audio word "Oba". Also, provide the full reference to the content so everyone else can also see through your lies. Idiot.

On the contrary, Reverend Samuel Johnson writing in the 1800s (specifically prior to the year1898) made many references to the word "Oba" as used for different Yoruba kings who ruled in the 1700s, 1600s, and 1500s.

Quoting word-for-word directly from his writing, the following are a few examples of such use:

(1) "Several points of similarity may be noted between the ALAFIN and his Basorun. The ALAFIN is Oba (a king), he is Iba (a lord)."

(2) "From this incident, King ABIPA was nick-named Oba M'oro (the King who caught ghosts)."

(3) "And this has passed into proverb, "Oku dede ki a ko iwi wo Akesan, Oba, Jayin te ori gba aso". (At the approach to Akesan of a company of chanting Eguguns, King JAYIN buried his head in a shroud.) Used of one who anticipates the inevitable."

(4) "Oaths were no more taken in the name of the gods, who were now considered too lenient and indifferent; but rather in the name of the King [i.e. King AOLE himself] who was more dreaded. "Ida Oba ni yio je mi" (may the King's sword destroy me) was the new form of oath!"

Reference: Samuel Johnson, "The History of the Yorubas". Completed 1897, Published 1921. pp.71, 166, 171, and 188 respectively.

In your subsequent reply to this, remeber to adduce some of these so-called "all documented evidence", and how they showed that the then Deji of Akure was not an "Oba".

Wait a minute, how come Akure has "Deji" instead of "Enogie"? Isn't Akure supposed to be a tRiBuTaRy uNdEr BeNiN kInGdOm? LMAO!

Your ignorance in this regards stinks to high heavens.

First of all, the word "Ya.ri.ba" which you seem to be alluding to here (as is popularly used by Nairaland ignoramus) is an early European attempt at rendering of the word "Yoruba" (I will provide the reference for this as soon as I find it shortly).

Interestingly, this word "Ya.ri.ba" is meaningless in the languages of the Hausas and Fulanis.

May be we should replicate your base reasoning here to concluded that the word "Benin" -- which was similarly an European attempt at rendering the word "Ubini" -- originally relates to Gays because the word "Benin" could mean "Boys" in Arabic.

Yes!

Nope. Unlike you and other notorious Edo liars, we don't have any need for lies when it has to do with our history.

Accept who you are -- An Edo slave of the Yoruba-King of Benin.

cc: RuggedSniper.

prezeus:

[s]See the nonsense you wrote. Aren't you ashamed of yourself ??[/s]

TAO11:
This is a counter argument??

TAO11:
Benin Kingdom was established and ruled by the Yoruba monarchy from Ife. In case that's what you meant here.
Fool!! How do you expect something that happened hundreds of years ago to have an eye witness ?? I have been wasting my time with you. You are so dumb that even if the truth was starring at you , you wouldn't know.










Smiles!

This BBC screenshot is not an eyewitness account. It doesn't matter if the editor is light-skinned.

Like I have already informed you, there are a number of early accounts (of which BBC is obviously not part) which makes this claim. And they all emanate from Benin itself.

In fact, the earliest documentation of such accounts from Benin is via Olfert Dapper (in the 1600s) who himself was not an eyewitness, as he never travelled outside of the Netherlands throughout his entire life.

Moreover, your last screenshot (where you typed "See" ) is undoubtedly from an Edo-blog.


The final major blow against your propaganda is the fact that Akure traditional accounts do not corroborate any such imperial domination by Benin. Rather, they contradict it.

May God help you in your ongoing battle against your self-inflicted small-tribe syndrome and insecurities.

Cheer!

cc: RuggedSniper

kheny12:
Ahimakhu toy in,she just change it to Abraham.

prezeus:
[s]I have never seen this type of desperation before. So you had to clone my account only for you to type something this dumb?[/s]

prezeus:

the urhobos, itsekiris,agbor don't name their traditional rulers by enogie but they all pay homage to the oba if Benin

sesan85:
He's the dumbest Bini revisionist I've ever come across, and there are many of them. Rarely have I seen a load of incoherent contradictory self-owns in one write-up. Smh.

prezeus:

You are obviously an slowpoke

prezeus:

You are obviously an slowpoke

prezeus:

How about the olu of warri ?? I can't find ogie in his title or maybe e pays tribute to Ife too , right ??

TAO11:


Even though you seem to be having a breakdown at the moment considering your unrelated reply, I would still indulge you.

Yes, Oba Akiolu can possibly trace himself to Benin. Afterall Oba Ado is a Bini maternally.

https://www.nairaland.com/5993201/nine-prominent-yoruba-actors-actresses/7#91778456

I pray you would able to sleep tonight.