petra1:


Meaning you don't know



Now you're assuming . Well Oral tradition still has a source . That means enoch had a book of prophecy



More assumption



More assumptions .



Very funny assumption and a lie. How come the scrolls are hundreds of years before Jesus was born. And are part ofndeas sea scrolls. And Are you aware Some of the contents in the book of enoch are also in the book of jasher?

No one knows the exact date the book was written. So I don't know why you are saying assumption here. You said the scroll is hundreds of years before Christ. How did u know that for sure? Scholars have not told us of any specific date. They did say it's either second or first century BCE. That being said, you are right if you say the book must have been written before the book of Jude. But if you say it with certainty as you did above, you are wrong cos no one is certain. Scholars don't have any specific date yet. The book doesn't either.

However, we do not know who wrote that book. It's not faithful Enoch. Enoch didn't live during second or first century BCE. He had died long before then. So, to think that Jude will ignore the use of Jewish Canon and use a book who we do not even know who wrote it is unthinkable. We ll look another way. Of course, I can't say how Jude got his account with certainty because Jude didn't tell us how he got his account. He didn't say he was quoting the book of Enoch which he normally would have done since he knows that his listeners will be confused seeing that he is quoting a book not in the Jewish Canon. If the story of Enoch prophesy was among what Jesus taught some disciples that was not written down, we don't know. It may be, it may not. We don't know. But it is possible. But we can't focus on the book of Enoch. No.

Oral tradition doesn't stem from a written source.

sonmvayina:


Lol.. You have not quite understood what you are reading.. I will advice you to watch some video by Enki35 productions on YouTube..

She is a good researcher..

Okay will do.

JMAN05:


Being first to write doesn't make it accurate. The whole story in the Sumerian text is obviously mythology. The Bible is quite a different thing. The Bible comes off as the original account.

Mythology is sometimes borrowed from a real account. In some cases these are real historical facts that have been distorted over time. As such, it's often not logical and sometimes it just sounds funny, not sounding as reasonable. You see it turn earth, planet, water into a deity that interacts with another. This is what we see in those accounts. But with the Bible you could try to understand/guess few things that the story that those myths are trying to tell really is.

The Bible is quite different and shows itself to be the original account of facts. People that didn't serve God were not privy to the true story.

This is the funniest thing I have ever heard in my life. Your comment, that an account or record that predates another doesn't make it more accurate than the former, is not logical.

A prehistoric account is more accurate than a later account because the events are still fresh in the memory of those who kept those records.

The record keepers of the prehistoric event could have experienced the event first-hand.

The Bible on the other hand which is a later account is the one prone to mythology and inaccuracy. This is due to the fact that the events being written about had happened many years ago and the memory of those accounts has become blurred.

Ok, let us start with the first book of the Bible, Genesis. If I can recall, the book of Genesis was said to be written by Moses (I stand to be corrected). Now just imagine a Moses writing about an Adam, Eve, Cain, Abel, Methuselah, Enoch, Noah just to mention a few. People who lived many thousands of years before him. How in the world can you trust in the integrity of such an account? How could he have possibly known exactly what happened at that time?

Let us say the information was passed down to him orally, we can rest assured the information that finally gets to Moses will be very inaccurate as we have seen with our African folklores, fables and Myths.

When it comes to information, first-hand information is always more accurate. There are no 2 ways about it.

chukemmang:


This is the funniest thing I have ever heard in my life. Your comment, that an account or record that predates another doesn't make it more accurate than the former, is not logical.

A prehistoric account is more accurate than a later account because the events are still fresh in the memory of those who kept those records.

The record keepers of the prehistoric event could have experienced the event first-hand.

The Bible on the other hand which is a later account is the one prone to mythology and inaccuracy. This is due to the fact that the events being written about had happened many years ago and the memory of those accounts has become blurred.

Ok, let us start with the first book of the Bible, Genesis. If I can recall, the book of Genesis was said to be written by Moses (I stand to be corrected). Now just imagine a Moses writing about an Adam, Eve, Cain, Abel, Methuselah, Enoch, Noah just to mention a few. People who lived many thousands of years before him. How in the world can you trust in the integrity of such an account? How could he have possibly known exactly what happened at that time?

Let us say the information was passed down to him orally, we can rest assured the information that finally gets to Moses will be very inaccurate as we have seen with our African folklores, fables and Myths.

When it comes to information, first-hand information is always more accurate. There are no 2 ways about it.

It's very possible. The writers of those myths were the ones without the real information cos they were used by God to pen down what they wrote.

A story guided by Jehovah is the true story cos He saw everything that many of those myths writers didn't see. So it's not a case of who wrote later, it's a case of who guided the writing. Moses didn't just write of his own knowledge. Have you even read those myths? Does that sound reasonable to you? On the other hand, we have seen biblical characters u confirmed by current excavations.

JMAN05:


It's very possible. The writers of those myths were the ones without the real information cos they were used by God to pen down what they wrote.

A story guided by Jehovah is the true story cos He saw everything that many of those myths writers didn't see. So it's not a case of who wrote later, it's a case of who guided the writing. Moses didn't just write of his own knowledge. Have you even read those myths? Does that sound reasonable to you? On the other hand, we have seen biblical characters u confirmed by current excavations.

That is very funny again and your comment is not logical because it has no proof. First of all the Sumerian texts and the Anunnaki's are not a myth. You can call Zeus, Sango and Panku myths but not the Annunaki's.

What concrete proof do you have of Jehovah guiding the writings of Moses? Who is Jehovah? What is Jehovah? Were you there when Jehovah guided Moses?

I think you need to research more on the Anunnaki's. Before we continue.

chukemmang:


That is very funny again and your comment is not logical because it has no proof. First of all the Sumerian texts and the Anunnaki's are not a myth. You can call Zeus, Sango and Panku myths but not the Annunaki's.

What concrete proof do you have of Jehovah guiding the writings of Moses? Who is Jehovah? What is Jehovah? Where you there when Jehovah guided Moses?

I think you need to research more on the Anunnaki's. Before we continue.

Sweet fresh water is known as Apsu, while salty bitter water is the goddess Tiamat. From these two inanimate things (Apsu and Tiamat), younger gods were born.

The young gods were loud and disturbed the sleep of inanimate fresh water (Apsu). It's vizier Mummu advised it and he agrees to kill the younger gods. Tiamat hearing of the plan went and warned Enki. Younger gods then put Apsu to death. From Apsu's remains, Enki creates his home.

Tiamat regrets the killing of Apsu by the younger gods, she became enraged. Now she aims to kill the younger gods......

Non living things called gods, has husbands, has children, fights, devices murder schemes, murders etc.

That doesn't sound real to me. It is clearly a myth. They are obviously writing about something on earth in a fanciful way. Maybe you should read the story yourself and check if it sounds like a real history.

JMAN05:



Sweet fresh water is known as Apsu, while salty bitter water is the goddess Tiamat. From these two inanimate things (Apsu and Tiamat), younger gods were born.

The young gods were loud and disturbed the sleep of inanimate fresh water (Apsu). It's vizier Mummu advised it and he agrees to kill the younger gods. Tiamat hearing of the plan went and warned Enki. Younger gods then put Apsu to death. From Apsu's remains, Enki creates his home.

Tiamat regrets the killing of Apsu by the younger gods, she became enraged. Now she aims to kill the younger gods......

Non living things called gods, has husbands, has children, fights, devices murder schemes, murders etc.

That doesn't sound real to me. It is clearly a myth. They are obviously writing about something on earth in a fanciful way. Maybe you should read the story yourself and check if it sounds like a real history.

You are quoting mythical adaptations of the Anunnaki story. Different cultures and religion from the world over have diluted and reinterpreted the Anunnaki story into myths and legends. The jews were not left out as they readapted the Anunnaki story into the Bible we have today.

The Sumerian text is clear and void of myths. The Sumerian texts is more of science. An account of ancient astronauts.

JMAN05:



Sweet fresh water is known as Apsu, while salty bitter water is the goddess Tiamat. From these two inanimate things (Apsu and Tiamat), younger gods were born.

The young gods were loud and disturbed the sleep of inanimate fresh water (Apsu). It's vizier Mummu advised it and he agrees to kill the younger gods. Tiamat hearing of the plan went and warned Enki. Younger gods then put Apsu to death. From Apsu's remains, Enki creates his home.

Tiamat regrets the killing of Apsu by the younger gods, she became enraged. Now she aims to kill the younger gods......

Non living things called gods, has husbands, has children, fights, devices murder schemes, murders etc.

That doesn't sound real to me. It is clearly a myth. They are obviously writing about something on earth in a fanciful way. Maybe you should read the story yourself and check if it sounds like a real history.

It is not a real story.. It is the sumerian take on the creation of the universe by Marduk..

The enuma elish, very interesting for those with discerning minds.

chukemmang:


You are quoting mythical adaptations of the Anunnaki story. Different cultures and religion from the world over have diluted and reinterpreted the Anunnaki story into myths and legends. The jews were not left out as they readapted the Anunnaki story into the Bible we have today.

The Sumerian text is clear and void of myths. The Sumerian texts is more of science. An account of ancient astronauts.

Hope you have not read any of sitchens book... Because they are fictions..

May God bless his soul..

God is the personification of the divine consciousness of the universe fully embodied..

Why don't you provide provable facts that sitchin's works are fictions?

sonmvayina:


Hope you have not read any of sitchens book... Because they are fictions..

May God bless his soul..

Zechariah Sitchin's works are questionable but the Sumerian Texts were discovered, they were dated and the writings were accurately interpreted.

Go check it out.

chukemmang:


Zechariah Sitchin's works are questionable but the Sumerian Texts were discovered, they were dated and the writings were accurately interpreted.

Go check it out.

Not by him... He missed quite a few.. Ninghizsida is Ninazu's child, not Enki... Like he claimed.

Heartlessbanker:
Why don't you provide provable facts that sitchin's works are fictions?

Check the back, it is written there.. Or the preface..

sonmvayina:


Not by him... He missed quite a few.. Ninghizsida is Ninazu's child, not Enki... Like he claimed.

Like I said earlier, there were faults in Sitchin's work. That is a fact known to all. Other credible people have translated the Sumerian text to give us the fact we are all aware of today.

Whether Sitchin gave a wrong translation, it doesn't affect the fact that the Sumerian text is authentic and predates all religious texts and histories. All myths and legends were adapted from the Sumerian texts. That's what is far more important.

chukemmang:


Like I said earlier, there were faults in Sitchin's work. That is a fact known to all. Other credible people have translated the Sumerian text to give us the fact we are all aware of today.

Whether Sitchin gave a wrong translation, it doesn't affect the fact that the Sumerian text is authentic and predates all religious texts and histories. All myths and legends were adapted from the Sumerian texts. That's what is far more important.

imagine if I tell my pastor on Sunday that the old testament was piagrised. Them go say I don dey possessed.

Heartlessbanker:
imagine if I tell my pastor on Sunday that the old testament was piagrised. Them go say I don dey possessed.

chukemmang:


Like I said earlier, there were faults in Sitchin's work. That is a fact known to all. Other credible people have translated the Sumerian text to give us the fact we are all aware of today.

Whether Sitchin gave a wrong translation, it doesn't affect the fact that the Sumerian text is authentic and predates all religious texts and histories. All myths and legends were adapted from the Sumerian texts. That's what is far more important.

I concur... Most of the stories in the Bible where adapted from the Sumerian tales...

The God of the old testament is /was Marduk..He was the son of Father Enki.. He won his place on the pantheon by defeating Tiamat..

The gospel stories comes from ancient tales about Marduk.. But at the council of Nicea, Athanasius said he was both God and man, and a human history was forged for him..

sonmvayina:


I concur... Most of the stories in the Bible where adapted from the Sumerian tales...

The God of the old testament is /was Marduk..He was the son of Father Enki.. He won his place on the pantheon by defeating Tiamat..

The gospel stories comes from ancient tales about Marduk.. But at the council of Nicea, Athanasius said he was both God and man, and a human history was forged for him..

Well, I am looking and judging from the scientific standpoint. Scientists have come to realize that there is more to the fairy tales and fables we have heard about creation and our existence.

If we scrutinize the Sumerian text and the tales of the original Anunnaki's under the lens of science, we will see more than the primitive tales and stories could convey.

For instance, we will understand that the reference to Angels was simply an easier way to explain astronauts in suits that help them enter the earth and fly back into space. In those days, the only thing men saw that flies were birds with wings. So if they see an astronaut flying in and out of the sky, they can only depict such a person with wings. That was the only way they could make sense of what they saw.

When the Bible describes the taking of Elijah by fiery chariots into the heavens, it was an easier explanation of how Elijah was taken away into space by a space rocket which shoots out a lot of fire while trying to take off. In that time, the most sophisticated means of transportation known to them was the chariot. That was the only way to explain a means of transportation that shoots out fire before taking off. They have never seen a rocket and can never explain what they saw with the word "Rocket".

There are so many stories from our ancient tales that sound like fables because the people of old were not so technologically advanced to explain the activities of the ancient aliens that visited our planet many thousands of years ago.

chukemmang:


Well, I am looking and judging from the scientific standpoint. Scientists have come to realize that there is more to the fairy tales and fables we have heard about creation and our existence.

If we scrutinize the Sumerian text and the tales of the original Anunnaki's under the lens of science, we will see more than the primitive tales and stories could convey.

For instance, we will understand that the reference to Angels was simply an easier way to explain astronauts in suits that help them enter the earth and fly back into space. In those days, the only thing men saw that flies were birds with wings. So if they see an astronaut flying in and out of the sky, they can only depict such a person with wings. That was the only way they could make sense of what they saw.

When the Bible describes the taking of Elijah by fiery chariots into the heavens, it was an easier explanation of how Elijah was taken away into space by a space rocket which shoots out a lot of fire while trying to take off. In that time, the most sophisticated means of transportation known to them was the chariot. That was the only way to explain a means of transportation that shoots out fire before taking off. They have never seen a rocket and can never explain what they saw with the word "Rocket".

There are so many stories from our ancient tales that sound like fables because the people of old were not so technologically advanced to explain the activities of the ancient aliens that visited our planet many thousands of years ago.

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You are still making the same mistake Billynaire was making.. They are not extra terrestrial, they are all native of earth.. They are spiritual beings personified.. They are inter dimensional beings...

sonmvayina:
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You are still making the same mistake Billynaire was making.. They are not extra terrestrial, they are all native of earth.. They are spiritual beings personified.. They are inter dimensional beings...

From your Bible and other religions, is the God figure a native of planet earth? It is clearly written that God comes from heaven. Where is heaven? Scientifically, heaven is the vastness of outer space and the entire universe.

So tell me how I am wrong by referring to them as extraterrestrials?

These beings were not native of earth. They came down from heaven. They came from space. The word Anunnaki means those who came down from heaven. The ancients clearly stated that these beings came from heaven and were never natives of Earth.

chukemmang:


You are quoting mythical adaptations of the Anunnaki story. Different cultures and religion from the world over have diluted and reinterpreted the Anunnaki story into myths and legends. The jews were not left out as they readapted the Anunnaki story into the Bible we have today.

The Sumerian text is clear and void of myths. The Sumerian texts is more of science. An account of ancient astronauts.

which one is sumerian text? after you read the text, come and check what i said above again.

chukemmang:


From their accounts, there was no sense of scare from the flood. It was obvious they came to earth for a purpose. To plant mankind which they created from their image (DNA Alterations) on planet earth. They simply left when thy felt their purpose on earth was complete.

Before you screamed fallacies and Hocus pocus, did you even study the accounts of the Sumerian texts?

They came in search of Gold, this was used to fix their depleting atmosphere.
Eldorado is not a myth, it existed as a storage city for the huge amount of gold which was later shipped back to Nibiru.

Humans became intelligent after series of bio-engineering. They had existed as a creature devoid of understanding and logical thought. The Annuki, Enki to be precise decided to add a part of their gene to the human so as to enable him carry out the strenuous work of Gold mining.
Enlil, his half brother objected to it but later agreed.

May the light shine.

Trueyarn:


They came in search of Gold, this was used to fix their depleting atmosphere.
Eldorado is not a myth, it existed as a storage city for the huge amount of gold which was later shipped back to Nibiru.

Humans became intelligent after series of bio-engineering. They had existed as a creature devoid of understanding and logical thought. The Annuki, Enki to be precise decided to add a part of their gene to the human so as to enable him carry out the strenuous work of Gold mining.
Enlil, his half brother objected to it but later agreed.

May the light shine.

So in summary, mankind have been calling ancient astronauts Jehovah and God almighty.

Well, you can't blame primitive beings like us. We know nothing in this vast cosmos.

chukemmang:


So in summary, mankind have been calling ancient astronauts Jehovah and God almighty.

Well, you can't blame primitive beings like us. We know nothing in this vast cosmos.

We strive to aquire knowledgeable information, but the mind control of religion has sunk so deep into the minds of our folks to the point that, any knowledgeable information from a source abstract to the conventional is fought against bitterly and desperately.

The info on my previous post is all laid out in the "Lost book of Enki" and " the twelve Planet". Theses are translations of the oldest manuscript in existence, the summerian Text, Zachariah stichen...


This is a text older than any religious text in existence, a text which talks about, in detail the formation of the earth planet, it's moon, the asteriod belt and how humans came to be black and white.

May the light shine.

sonmvayina:


Hope you have not read any of sitchens book... Because they are fictions..

May God bless his soul..

I doubt , I have accessed the akashic records astrally... Zachariah was an avatar of Adamu, the first human to ever go to nibiru, the biblical Enoch.

Trueyarn:


I doubt , I have accessed the akashic records astrally... Zachariah was an avatar of Adamu, the first human to ever go to nibiru, the biblical Enoch.

Who is your supplier?.. He is putting some weird stuff in it...

Nibiru is marduk... Well that would be jupiter..

sonmvayina:


Who is your supplier?.. He is putting some weird stuff in it...

Nibiru is marduk... Well that would be jupiter..

Marduk is Enki's son, the first anunaki to take a human as wife.
Nibiru is the planet from whence the Anunaki came.

Trueyarn:


Marduk is Enki's son, the first anunaki to take a human as wife.
Nibiru is the planet from whence the Anunaki came.

Nah.. The anunakis are all native of earth... Marduk is the lord God of the old testament.. The creator of the universe, the lugal dimmer Ankia.. Literally means the divine king of heaven and earth..

LOL.. Anunnaki?.. Take human wife... Nah.. That's mythology

sonmvayina:


Nah.. The anunakis are all native of earth... Marduk is the lord God of the old testament.. The creator of the universe, the lugal dimmer Ankia.. Literally means the divine king of heaven and earth..

LOL.. Anunnaki?.. Take human wife... Nah.. That's mythology

On what do you base this your thesis?
What I have put up there is recorded in the summerian text, the oldest manuscript in the world right now.

It was during Marduk's wedding that the Igigi, another group of male Annuki residing at the way station in Mars and had came to earth to celebrate the wedding of one of their princes also decided to kidnap daughters of men and make them their wives.

Trueyarn:


On what do you base this your thesis?
What I have put up there is recorded in the summerian text, the oldest manuscript in the world right now.

It was during Marduk's wedding that the Igigi, another group of male Annuki residing at the way station in Mars and had came to earth to celebrate the wedding of one of their princes also decided to kidnap daughters of men and make them their wives.

Anunnaki are not physical beings.. They are inter dimensional, or spiritual beings..
When marduk killed Tiamat he used her body to create the heaven and the earth... He gave each God their domain and station....
That story in genesis about children of God coming onto the daughters of men, refers to a specific blood line.... They are human being, probably the blood line of seth...Marduk is the creator of the universe, at least that is what the enuma elish says..

It says they "Enlil being the heard of the command, drew his cast for the earth".. Meaning they all decided to dwell on earth..