[quote author=sonmvayina post=89883365]

How can God be the creator and still be part of creation.... I need clarification please.. [/quo

The question "who created God?" Is answered "God is a Being who CREATED Himself"

He's part of the creation by creating Himself.

He also comes down low to become and act like His creatures. This enables Him to feel and fill all things that He had created:
*. Colossians 1:18 "KJV:And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; THAT IN ALL THINGS HE MIGHT HAVE the preeminence.

sonmvayina:


How can God be the creator and still be part of creation.... I need clarification please..

He also comes down low to become and act like His creatures. This enables Him to feel and fill all things that He had created:
*. Colossians 1:18 "KJV:And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; THAT IN ALL THINGS HE MIGHT HAVE the preeminence.

*. Ephesians 1:23Which is his body, the fulness of HIM that FILLETH ALL IN ALL

*. Ephesians 4:10"KJV:He that DESCENDED is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, THAT HE MIGHT FILL ALL things.)

Jesus in His highest office He's God: John9 1:1-7
2. In His lower office He's less than human beings

Janosky:




Bros,is Jesus Christ a jealous God?
Jesus Christ says himself is not the True God
John 17:3.
Jesus receives homage NOT worship.
Matt4:10, Jesus says Only the jealous God , Yahweh RECEIVES worship.
God the son is a man made FRAUD.

See what Bible says:
*. Hebrews 1:6"
KJV:And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God WORSHIP HIM.

all over my Bible, wherever the word worship is used, it could also be replaced with the word homage, either to the Father, son or human beings

Janosky:




Bros,is Jesus Christ a jealous God?
Jesus Christ says himself is not the True God
John 17:3.
Jesus receives homage NOT worship.
Matt4:10, Jesus says Only the jealous God , Yahweh RECEIVES worship.
God the son is a man made FRAUD.

I will like you to post clear explanation. What I mean is that, Matthew 4:10 does not say "only the Father receives worship"

But it says "KJV:Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

AntiChristian:


Someone tagged us all. And i simply quoted back.

Jesus loves you!

KNOWMORE56:


Jesus loves you!

Where did you meet him to know he loves me?

Ask him when he's coming back.

NOTE: as the setting/composition of the triune God is, Father x son x holy Spirit = one God forever, Father will not call the Son "my father"; the Son will not call the Father "my son"; or the Holy Ghost doing contrary, no.

But, if any of His creatures, from angels to creeping things, should call either of Them 'my father' or 'my God'; no sin is committed by such creature.

Jesus is called everlasting Father in Isaiah 9:6 "
KJV:For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The EVERLASTING FATHER, The Prince of Peace.

In John 14:8-9, Jesus categorically said He is the Father:

" Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
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KJV:Jesus saith unto him, Have I (THE FATHER) been so long time with you, and yet hast THOU not KNOWN ME, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?

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He also comes down low to become and act like His creatures. This enables Him to feel and fill all things that He had created:
*. Colossians 1:18 "KJV:And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; THAT IN ALL THINGS HE MIGHT HAVE the preeminence.

*. Ephesians 1:23Which is his body, the fulness of HIM that FILLETH ALL IN ALL

*. Ephesians 4:10"KJV:He that DESCENDED is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, THAT HE MIGHT FILL ALL things.)

Jesus in His highest office He's God: John9 1:1-7
2. In His lower office He's less than human beings

This are the claims... I want proofs and explanation

sonmvayina:


This are the claims... I want proofs and explanation

What proofs and explanations were given to you about your date of birth before you accepted it to be true?

To us, believers in Jesus Christ, the summary of all proofs is the birth,death, burial, Resurrection and the return of the Master Jesus Christ.

Accept him as your Lord and savior

KNOWMORE56:
NOTE: as the setting/composition of the triune God is, Father x son x holy Spirit = one God forever, Father will not call the Son "my father"; the Son will not call the Father "my son"; or the Holy Ghost doing contrary, no.

But, if any of His creatures, from angels to creeping things, should call either of Them 'my father' or 'my God'; no sin is committed by such creature.

Jesus is called everlasting Father in Isaiah 9:6 "
KJV:For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The EVERLASTING FATHER, The Prince of Peace.

In John 14:8-9, Jesus categorically said He is the Father:

" Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
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KJV:Jesus saith unto him, Have I (THE FATHER) been so long time with you, and yet hast THOU not KNOWN ME, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?

Please STOP THIS FRAUD. Your claim is NOT true.
John 14:28 ," the Father is GREATER THAN I AM"
Bros, You TEAR OFF John 14:28 and Rev3:5 from your Bible?


Isaiah 9:6, has ZERO correlation with John 14:8-9.

See how Isaiah 9:6 EXPOSED Your claims...
"He shall be called.. Wonderful Counselor, Everlasting Father"
PROOF : "he shall be called".... Points to a time in the future..
At the time Isaiah wrote that prophecy, the son is NOT "Wonderful Counselor, NOT Everlasting Father.
In Isaiah's time, even the government was NOT on his shoulder

Ephesians 3:14-15,John20:17, The Father of Jesus is Yahweh, ALWAYS OUR FATHER.

KNOWMORE56:


See what Bible says:
*. Hebrews 1:6"
KJV:And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God WORSHIP HIM.

all over my Bible, wherever the word worship is used, it could also be replaced with the word homage, either to the Father, son or human beings

Deut 6:13-15, Matthew 4:10, Jesus Christ says Yahweh The Jealous God commanded you NEVER to worship Jesus.

Hebrews 1:6,8 is a Trinitarian FRAUD.
This FRAUD in Hebrews 1:6,8 have been MISLEADING the world since the beginning of the KJV.

Worship is EXCLUSIVELY for Yahweh, the Jealous God. Exodus 20:5.

" To whom can you compare me that I should be his equal?" Says the HOLY ONE.'"
Isaiah 40:25.
Homage is for other beings.

KNOWMORE56:


I will like you to post clear explanation. What I mean is that, Matthew 4:10 does not say "only the Father receives worship"

But it says "KJV:Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

Bros, your claim is NOT true.
Bros,i n Matthew 4:10, "Only whom did Jesus Christ says you Must worship?
Shalom

KNOWMORE56:


What proofs and explanations were given to you about your date of birth before you accepted it to be true?

To us, believers in Jesus Christ, the summary of all proofs is the birth,death, burial, Resurrection and the return of the Master Jesus Christ.

Accept him as your Lord and savior

I dey craze?


You want make my creator punish me, or do you not know he warned us against idolatry..? Why should I worship a god created in the image and likeness of a man?..

A beg oh, no put me for trouble.

11. Father/Son name is great:

*. Jeremiah 10 : 6"Forasmuch as there is none like unto thee, O Lord; thou art great, and THY NAME IS GREAT in might.(i.e the Father)
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KJV:Surely, shall one say, in the Lord have I righteousness and strength: even to him shall men come; and ALL THAT ARE INCENSED AGAINST HIM SHALL BE ASHAMED. ( And I said AMEN!)

*. Philippians2 :10"KJV: THAT AT THE NAME OF JESUS EVERY KNEE SHOULD BOW, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;(i.e the Son)

*. Mark 16: 17"KJV:And these signs shall follow them that believe; IN MY NAME SHALL THEY CAST OUT DEVILS; they shall speak with new tongues;(Halleluiah!)

NOTE: the Father sworn that:

1. His glory He won't give to another, see Isaiah 48:11'KJV:
For mine own sake, even for mine own sake, will I do it: for how should my name be polluted? and I WILL NOT GIVE MY GLORY unto ANOTHER.

2. To his name every knee shall bow

Hebrews 6:13
KJV:For when God made promise to Abraham, BECAUSE HE COULD SWEAR BY NO GREATER, he sware by HIMSELF,

3. God cannot lie
Hebrews 6:18"KJV:That by two immutable things, in which IT WAS IMPOSSIBLE FOR GOD TO LIE, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us:

. Father/Son name is great:

*. Jeremiah 10 : 6"Forasmuch as there is none like unto thee, O Lord; thou art great, and THY NAME IS GREAT in might.(i.e the Father)

*. Isaiah 45:23-24
KJV:I HAVE SWORN BY MYSELF, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, THAT UNTO ME EVERY KNEE SHALL BOW, every tongue shall swear.(i.e the Father)
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KJV:Surely, shall one say, in the Lord have I righteousness and strength: even to him shall men come; and ALL THAT ARE INCENSED AGAINST HIM SHALL BE ASHAMED. ( And I said AMEN!)

*. Philippians2 :10"KJV: THAT AT THE NAME OF JESUS EVERY KNEE SHOULD BOW, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;(i.e the Son)

*. Mark 16: 17"KJV:And these signs shall follow them that believe; IN MY NAME SHALL THEY CAST OUT DEVILS; they shall speak with new tongues;(Halleluiah!)

NOTE: the Father sworn that:

1. His glory He won't give to another, see Isaiah 48:11'KJV:
For mine own sake, even for mine own sake, will I do it: for how should my name be polluted? and I WILL NOT GIVE MY GLORY unto ANOTHER.

2. To his name every knee shall bow

Hebrews 6:13
KJV:For when God made promise to Abraham, BECAUSE HE COULD SWEAR BY NO GREATER, he sware by HIMSELF,

3. God cannot lie
Hebrews 6:18"KJV:That by two immutable things, in which IT WAS IMPOSSIBLE FOR GOD TO LIE, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us:Isaiah 45 23-24 "

12. Father/Son answers prayers:

*. John 14:14 "KJV:If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I WILL DO IT. (i.e the Son)

*. John 15:16 "KJV:Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever YE SHALL ASK of the Father in my name, HE MAY GIVE it you." (i.e the Father)

NOTE: God the Son says what ever you ask/pray for in His name HE (God the Son) will do it.

Brother Stephen prayed to Him and He answered, see Acts 7:59-60 "KJV:And they stoned Stephen, CALLING UPON GOD, and saying, LORD JESUS, RECEIVE my spirit.
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KJV:And he kneeled down, and cried with a loud voice, LORD, LAY NOT this SIN to their charge. And when he had said this, he fell asleep.

The Bible says Stephen calling upon God, he called LORD JESUS. Brother Stephen called Jesus God!

Many people or religion groups have agreed that the true God is one.

The teaching about Trinity is no different.

I have taken my time to know what it is all about, and the following are my findings

1) Mathematically 1×1×1=1(the Almy One)

That is 1(one) increased by 1(one) and increased by another 1(one)=1(the Almighty One).

Each one (1) in the example above shares the same thing (characteristics).

In other words, God the Father increased (multiply) by God the son and multiply (increased) by God the Holy Spirit=THE ALMIGHTY GOD.

The sign of addition (+) and the sign of multiplication (×) resemble themselves but they are different

When × is viewed daigonally, someone may thinks it's +.

That's why some take the Trinity as 1+1+1=3 gods x(wrong)

Trinity is 1×1×1=1GOD (the Almighty)✓

KNOWMORE56:
As for the other issue of Jesus was seen standing at the right hand of God. Many times I have noticed that people are not interested in knowing more about the different offices of this Jesus.
JESUS HAS THE HIGHEST OFFICE AND THE LOWEST OFFICE

1. In His highest office He is God:
*. John 1:1KJV:In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.", and many more.


2. In His lower office He is an Angel:
*. Joshua 5:13
KJV:And it came to pass, when Joshua was by Jericho, that he lifted up his eyes and looked, and, behold, there stood A MAN over against him with his sword drawn in his hand: and Joshua went unto him, and said unto him, Art thou for us, or for our adversaries?
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KJV:And he said, Nay; but as CAPTAIN of the host of the Lord am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, and said unto him, What saith my Lord unto his servant?
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KJV:And the CAPTAIN of the Lord's host said unto Joshua, Loose thy shoe from off thy foot; for the place whereon thou standest is holy. And Joshua did so.

NOTE: most of the Bible scholars have agreed that this is Jesus acting like an angel.

Other places that Jesus acted like an angel: Stephen vision Acts 7:55-56; Paul's conversion Acts 9:3-6; Paul's vision Acts 23:11, and many more.


THINK ABOUT IT!

Your fellow Trinitarian folks hate to see the No2..
That Jesus is an angel

Janosky:


Your fellow Trinitarian folks hate to see the No2..
That Jesus is an angel

Just as you hate to see No1 that says Jesus is God.

. FATHER/SON HAS AGAPE LOVE:

*. John 3:16 "KJV:For GOD SO LOVED the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.(i.e the Father)

*. Romans 5:8 "KJV:But God commendeth HIS LOVE toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.(i.e the Father)

*. Romans 8:35 "KJV:Who shall separate us from THE LOVE OF CHRIST? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or unclothedness, or peril, or sword?(i.e the Son)

*. Galatians 2:20 "

KJV:I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, WHO LOVED ME, and gave himself for me.(i.e the Son)



JESUS IS THE TRUE GOD!

KNOWMORE56:
Many people or religion groups have agreed that the true God is one.
The teaching about Trinity is no different.
I have taken my time to know what it is all about, and the following are my findings
1) Mathematically 1×1×1=1(the Almy One) i.e 1(one) increased by 1(one) and increased by another 1(one)=1(the Almighty One).
Each one (1) in the example above shares the same thing (characteristics). In other words, God the Father increased (multiply) by God the son and multiply (increased) by God the Holy Spirit=THE ALMIGHTY GOD.
The sign of addition (+) and the sign of multiplication (×) resemble themselves but they are different
When × is viewed daigonally, someone may thinks it's +. That's why some take the Trinity as 1+1+1=3 gods x(wrong)
Trinity is 1×1×1=1GOD (the Almighty)✓
Jesus loves you all. Amen!

Isis and
Osiris had a child called Horus, and they became the
great Trinity, the one that preceded the Christian
Trinity of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. They
helped men escape the wiles of the devil, and
ensured that good souls were reborn for eternity. The
only difference between them and your Holy Trinity is
that one of them was a female.

Everything about Christianity was borrowed, corrupted and invented. Keep believing your thing e fit you.

13. FATHER/SON SEARCHES THE HEART
AND THE REIGNS:

*. Jeremiah 17:10 "
KJV:I THE LORD SEARCH THE HEART, I TRY THE REINS, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings. (i.e the Father)

*. Revelation 2:23 "
KJV:And I will kill her children with death; and ALL the churches SHALL KNOW THAT I AM HE WHICH SEARCHETH THE REINS AND HEARTS: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works. (i.e the Son)

NOTE: Jesus said ALL SHALL KNOW THAT I AM HE WHICH SEARCHETH THE REINS AND THE HEARTS.

JWs refuse to know this. JESUS IS THE TRUE GOD!

Roycemadeit:


Isis and
Osiris had a child called Horus, and they became the
great Trinity, the one that preceded the Christian
Trinity of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. They
helped men escape the wiles of the devil, and
ensured that good souls were reborn for eternity. The
only difference between them and your Holy Trinity is
that one of them was a female.

Everything about Christianity was borrowed, corrupted and invented. Keep believing your thing e fit you.

Triune pagan IDOLS rebranded and repackaged

KNOWMORE56:


Just as you hate to see No1 that says Jesus is God.

Angels are ministering spirits, messengers for Yahweh the only true God.

Yahweh is NOT a Messenger.
Is John3:16 and 7:16 in your Bible?

Bros, no dey DECEIVE YOURSELF

KNOWMORE56:


I will like you to post clear explanation. What I mean is that, Matthew 4:10 does not say "only the Father receives worship"

But it says "KJV:Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

Bros, "Thou shalt worship Yahweh your God, and HIM ONLY thou shalt serve"



Bros, you are indirectly saying that Exodus 20:5 is not true
Matthew 4:10 is a quote of Deuteronomy 6:13
Read the full text in Deuteronomy 6:13.
You don't seem to believe what you see and quote from your own Bible



Shuooo ooo

Janosky:

Angels are ministering spirits, messengers for Yahweh the only true God.

Yahweh is NOT a Messenger.
Is John3:16 and 7:16 in your Bible?

Bros, no dey DECEIVE YOURSELF

Ever sat down to wonder, why the creator and the origin of all things would need ministering?�

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Triune pagan IDOLS rebranded and repackaged [/quote

Yet you can give us the characteristics of the ONLY TRUE GOD

Janosky:

Angels are ministering spirits, messengers for Yahweh the only true God.

Yahweh is NOT a Messenger.
Is John3:16 and 7:16 in your Bible?

Bros, no dey DECEIVE YOURSELF

Somehow you are learning.

You have started shifting interest from Jehovah to Yahweh.

This lecture was some time delivered to you by one Catholic faithful (ben...)

And you are going to learn more about Him

Just humble yourself.

Be bold and list all the features of the ONLY TRUE GOD that you know.

Attach each with Bible references.

Janosky:


Bros, "Thou shalt worship Yahweh your God, and HIM ONLY thou shalt serve"



Bros, you are indirectly saying that Exodus 20:5 is not true
Matthew 4:10 is a quote of Deuteronomy 6:13
Read the full text in Deuteronomy 6:13.
You don't seem to believe what you see and quote from your own Bible



Shuooo ooo

Angels don't worship fellow angels.

Herod was killed because he received worship.

But God Jesus has always received worship and nobody has been killed for doing that.

14. FATHER/SON IS THE SHEPHERD:

*. Psalms 23:1 "
KJV:The Lord is MY SHEPHERD; I shall not want. (i.e the Father)

*. PSALMS 80:1 "KJV:Give ear, O SHEPHERD OF ISRAEL, thou that leadest Joseph like a flock; thou that dwellest between the cherubims, shine forth.(i.e the Father)

*. John 10:11 "KJV:I AM THE GOOD SHEPHERD: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.

Jesus is all in all:


*. Colossians 3: 11
KJV:"Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but CHRIST IS ALL, AND IN ALL."

In John 20:28, Thomas worship Jesus and no angel stroke any of them dead as it happens in Acts 12 :22-23

"KJV:And the people gave a shout, saying, It is the voice of a god, and not of a man.
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KJV:And immediately the angel of the Lord smote him, because he gave not God the glory: and he was eaten of worms, and gave up the ghost.