sonofElElyon:
I cannot convince a dogmatic person like you to accept the biblical doctrines.. you have been indoctrinated and it is only God that can convince you . not man.... my purpose simply was to point out to you that the material you yourself quoted from provides you with more than enough evidence to prove Christ's Divinity.. you don't need to seek anybody to spar with...

selah... shalom..

Bros, John 5:37 , John 6:46 , Revelations 3:12 and Romans 8:3 ,1 Corinthians 3:23, who indoctrinated Jesus Christ and Apostle Paul?

If you get Liver,quote the words of Jesus Christ and Paul here

sonofElElyon:
you know nothing about scripture... only regurgitating what your leaders have indoctrinated you with..

only one version out all the ones you quoted uses the word angel... the others use messenger which is a more accurate word..

you go and study about old testament Christopanies (appearance of Jesus) and you will understand that appearances of Christ in the old testament though as a messenger did not deprive Him of Divinity as He spoke as God.. not as an ordinary angel which Michael is.. but as God.. anywhere you see an Messenger or "Angel" speaking as God and being worshipped by a man and He accepts that worship, that "Angel" was Christ.. eg burning bush when Moses bowed in worship and, as Captain of the host of the Lord when Joshua bowed in worship..

to now clearly disprove your ridiculous argument that angel Michael is Jesus, refer to the book of Daniel in which Daniel (Daniel 10:13) refers to Michael simply as "one of the chief princes" meaning just one of the archangels whereas he refers to Christ as the "Prince of princes" (Daniel 8:25) that is the Ruler of all rulers.. similar to King of kings..

how many versions

Like i said earlier on I've come to know these people inside out.
You did say that Jesus is God Almighty if i get you correctly. But that is not true.
Under inspiration Stephen when being stoned to death said at Acts 7:56 he saw the "heavens opened up and the SON of MAN STANDING AT THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD."
So you tell me how can someone standing at my right hand be me?
Did he double himself there?

ospido:



Like i said earlier on I've come to know these people inside out.
You did say that Jesus is God Almighty if i get you correctly. But that is not true.
Under inspiration Stephen when being stoned to death said at Acts 7:56 he saw the "heavens opened up and the SON of MAN [/b]STANDING AT THE [b]RIGHT HAND OF GOD."
So you tell me how can someone standing at my right hand be me?
Did he double himself there?

That's the point sonofElElyon won't accept, but it's there in his own Bible

He labelled it "indoctrination"

Janosky:

We follow the instructions in the Scriptures
2 Corinthians 9:7. Luke 21:1-4

following a verse in the bible,I have no problem but don't condemn others cause there are verses in the Bible that supports it
why don't JW like using other versions of the bible?

Janosky:


That's the point sonofElElyon won't accept, but it's there in his own Bible

He labelled it "indoctrination"

Don't mind him my brother.
The words of Luke 8:10 is having it's fulfillment.
Keep on your good work.

SIONKPO1:

following a verse in the bible,I have no problem but don't condemn others cause there are verses in the Bible that supports it
why don't JW like using other versions of the bible?

Number 1 they don't condemn others at all. Rather,they reveal the truth found in God's word.
Secondly,i KNOW that they use other translations as well. If they come to your house they allow you to bring your own copy of the Bible when they converse with you.
Besides, b4 translating the New World translation into Yoruba,Urhobo, Isoko, Efik, Igbo and so on they normaly used the Holy Bible (King James or other versions) in their Kingdom halls.
I have witnessed it live.

you simply don't understand..

Christ is the express image of God, sharing the same nature and essence as the Father.. that is why the Jews accused Him of making himself God because he said God is His Father.. they understand that he made himself equal to God meaning that he claimed to be in the class of God which He is! It doesn't mean He is the Father.. no one has ever said that.. the position is that he shares all the attributes, power, nature, quality and essence of God.. no Angel has these attributes.. just the Father, Son and Spirit.. "when you have seen Me, you have seen the Father".. "I and my Father are one" in nature and in unity

ospido:



Like i said earlier on I've come to know these people inside out.
You did say that Jesus is God Almighty if i get you correctly. But that is not true.
Under inspiration Stephen when being stoned to death said at Acts 7:56 he saw the "heavens opened up and the SON of MAN STANDING AT THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD."
So you tell me how can someone standing at my right hand be me?
Did he double himself there?

I need to sleep.. i have work to do tomorrow.. maybe you dont.. moreover I don't need to quote any verse. there are already several verses you are avoiding and refusing to address..

when you have finished disproving the overwhelming evidence presented in the material you attached, then you can come..

first deal with the evidence against your position that you unwittingly and inadvertently presented..

Janosky:


Bros, John 5:37 , John 6:46 , Revelations 3:12 and Romans 8:3 ,1 Corinthians 3:23, who indoctrinated Jesus Christ and Apostle Paul?

If you get Liver,quote the words of Jesus Christ and Paul here

jw done buy nairaland.

sonofElElyon:
you simply don't understand..

Christ is the express image of God, sharing the same nature and essence as the Father.. that is why the Jews accused Him of making himself God because he said God is His Father.. they understand that he made himself equal to God meaning that he claimed to be in the class of God which He is! It doesn't mean He is the Father.. no one has ever said that.. the position is that he shares all the attributes, power, nature, quality and essence of God.. no Angel has these attributes.. just the Father, Son and Spirit.. "when you have seen Me, you have seen the Father".. "I and my Father are one" in nature and in unity

Thank you for agreeing that Jesus is not the father.
We're making a head way already.

Now take your mind to John 17:20-23
Particularly in verse 22 and i say, in the sense of UNITY that Jesus and God Almighty are one.
Take into consideration that Jesus disciples are to be one too. Is it in nature too as you alluded to above?
Besides,see the accounts of Psalm 82:1; John 10:34,35; and 1Corinthians 8:5. Here refer to other "gods" which includes Angels and even the demons (remember they were angels b4). But there is only One God not two Gods or three in One. While there us only One Lord not two lords or three in one.

Finally,do you know that Jesus has an origin and is a creation whereas God Almighty (Yaweh) does not and is not?
Please confirm this in Colossians 1:15; Revelation 3:14 and Proverbs 8:22.

Seetto:
What is the sin of this Jehovah witness that many christains seem to hate them...

What is the sin of other churches that JWs hate and despices them to an extent of calling them Christendom and other bad names? What is the sin of other churches that JWs demonises them?

maziuwa:
Why are you Jehova witness is not celebrating Christmas?

That is the easy question they want to hear you ask. To ask them the hard questions they will run from, go to this thread and see the questions...

https://www.nairaland.com/6028082/questions-jehovahs-witnesses

Notatribalist:
I don't really know oh,to be honest Jehovah's witness are the best among the rest of Christian. I was shocked to find out they don't take offering during their service.

They don't take offering, but they have their own way of tithing their members dry

chatinent:
13. Our unity. We are globally united in our beliefs. (1 Corinthians 1:​10) We also work hard to have no social, ethnic, racial, or class divisions. (Acts 10:34, 35; James 2:4) Our unity allows for personal choice, though. Each Witness makes decisions in harmony with his or her own Bible-trained conscience.​— Romans 14:​1-4; Hebrews 5:​14.
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14. Our conduct. We strive to show unselfish love in all our actions. (John 13:34, 35) We avoid practices that displease God, including the misuse of blood by taking blood transfusions. (Acts 15:28, 29; Galatians 5:​19-​21) We are peaceful and do not participate in warfare. (Matthew 5:9; Isaiah 2:4) We respect the government where we live and obey its laws as long as these do not call on us to disobey God’s laws.​— Matthew 22:21; Acts 5:​29.
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15. Our relationships with others. Jesus commanded: “You must love your neighbor as yourself.” He also said that Christians “are no part of the world.” ( Matthew 22:39; John 17:16) So we try to “work what is good toward all,” yet we remain strictly neutral in political affairs and avoid affiliation with other religions. (Galatians 6:​10; 2 Corinthians 6:​14) However, we respect the choices that others make in such matters.​— Romans 14:12. If you have further questions about the beliefs of Jehovah’s Witnesses, you can read more about us on our website.
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You may ask questions. I'll only answer civil questions.

I didn't hear you mention anything like PRAYER, you guys don't pray?

rottennaija:


They don't take offering, but they have their own way of tithing their members dry

don't say what you don't knw. So what's their was of tithing their members.

that's why I said you don't understand the doctrine of Trinity. I clearly stated in my earlier post that Jesus is one with God and the Holy Spirit IN UNITY (not in number).. He is God because of the reasons I stated earlier. same with the Holy Spirit who is a person and not a force!
Jesus and the Holy Spirit share the same nature, attributes power and essence with the Father and pre existed all other things and beings. The triune God jointly created all things and the Bible is filled with verses to that effect.. Regarding the issue of Christ having a beginning, that was in the dateless past before time and before any other thing or being came to existence... it is clear that if Christ is the Son of God He must've proceeded from the Father.. the only analogy / illustration I can think of is the amoeba that replicates itself asexually.. That is why Christ is God.. He proceeded out of the Father.. Very God of God.. Very Light of Light.. Of the same essence and nature as the Father..
It also follows that the Holy Spirit is God because He is the Spirit of God and shares the same nature essence power and attributes of God, together with Jesus to the exclusion of all other beings.. Also proceeding from the Father in the dateless past before time and before any other thing or being came into existence..
It is common knowledge that Christ is almighty and so is the Holy Spirit.. that's why He said to the Father in the book of John "restore unto me the glory I had with you before the foundation of the world.. and "at the name of Jesus every knee should bow of things in heaven and Earth and under earth" also "ALL POWER IS GIVEN TO ME IN HEAVEN AND ON EARTH". remember that Paul also wrote in Hebrews "When God brought the begotten (Jesus) into the world He (God) said "let ALL the angels worship Him (Christ).
For the Holy Spirit it is clear that He is almighty for even The Father said " not by might nor by power but by my Spirit says the Lord.
Father Son and Spirit are God over all creation.. They created all things and sustain all things. The Bible says so.. I can only give few Bible verses. please Google the rest.
I hope you now understand the doctrine of the Trinity

ospido:



Thank you for agreeing that Jesus is not the father.
We're making a head way already.

Now take your mind to John 17:20-23
Particularly in verse 22 and i say, in the sense of UNITY that Jesus and God Almighty are one.
Take into consideration that Jesus disciples are to be one too. Is it in nature too as you alluded to above?
Besides,see the accounts of Psalm 82:1; John 10:34,35; and 1Corinthians 8:5. Here refer to other "gods" which includes Angels and even the demons (remember they were angels b4). But there is only One God not two Gods or three in One. While there us only One Lord not two lords or three in one.

Finally,do you know that Jesus has an origin and is a creation whereas God Almighty (Yaweh) does not and is not?
Please confirm this in Colossians 1:15; Revelation 3:14 and Proverbs 8:22.

Notatribalist:
don't say what you don't knw. So what's their was of tithing their members.

Don't listen to that one
He's a confused kid who left the JW organization so he's out on nairaland trying to bash us.

andycom:



Question 1: Answer 1 Corinthians chap 6vs 9-11.

Question 2: Answer we believe all humans are imperfect, so we strive to live up to Bible standards, it will not be nice if we claim to be a Christian and purposely do what is bad in God's eyes.

Question 3: Answer Jehovahs witnesses do not attack any Christian denomination rather we fearlessly speak the truth about God, Jesus and the Bible.

lies u people always attack catholic church with ur stupid article in watchtower and awake. You people will want others to read your awake, watchtower but will never accept nor touch any article from other church u guys are all animals.

FashionCookie:
You forgot to add they're great pretenders with holier-than-thou attitude. Not to mention say them spoil pass anything. Let me not mention juju freaks.
If you like, abuse me from now till thy kingdom come. These I know first hand.

They like juju ehhh no be here and can pretend they are holy

DelphiOracle:
Who ever wants to know about Jehovah's witnesses should log on to jw.org.


This thread is so uncalled for.

I suggest no thread on Jehovah's witnesses should be accepted on this forum again.
Pls note
Cc:
Lalasticlala,

Seun

I concur no jw stuff should be published here pls those in favour should pls sign let's stop this mad people practicing false religion and deceiving people here.

Maximus69:


You need to study the Bible with one of Jehovah's Witnesses but if that's too much for you, then don't worry stick to whatever you know!

The maximus the dead one

@chatinet, In regards to no.:
1), concerning Jesus being God or not:
have you read John 1:1-14 before?
4). you said Jesus began ruling in 1914; I didn't see anything of such in Revelation 11:15 you posted. Can you explain better?

ospido:



Like i said earlier on I've come to know these people inside out.
You did say that Jesus is God Almighty if i get you correctly. But that is not true.
Under inspiration Stephen when being stoned to death said at Acts 7:56 he saw the "heavens opened up and the SON of MAN STANDING AT THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD."
So you tell me how can someone standing at my right hand be me?
Did he double himself there?

Have you read John 1:1-14 before? if yes, what is your understanding of vs 1 and 14?

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

sonofElElyon:
you simply don't understand..

Christ is the express image of God, sharing the same nature and essence as the Father.. that is why the Jews accused Him of making himself God because he said God is His Father.. they understand that he made himself equal to God meaning that he claimed to be in the class of God which He is! It doesn't mean He is the Father.. no one has ever said that.. the position is that he shares all the attributes, power, nature, quality and essence of God.. no Angel has these attributes.. just the Father, Son and Spirit.. "when you have seen Me, you have seen the Father".. "I and my Father are one" in nature and in unity

I thought you said there is nothing like Trinity (Trinity being an English word which means 3 in one)?
So, where's the Father, Son and Spirit coming from?

you must be confusing me with someone else. I never told you that! check my posts! maybe you meant that the word "Trinity" wasn't used in the Bible.. it is just a term to describe the oneness of the Father, Son and Spirit.. it simply means Tri (Three) AND (u)nity (United).. I think what you should be concerned about is the doctrine itself and what it means.. not the name by which it is called..
I think my last post was detailed enough.
All that needs to be said has been said.

Owologbo:

I thought you said there is nothing like Trinity (Trinity being an English word which means 3 in one)?
So, where's the Father, Son and Spirit coming from?

Angel1696:
The maximus the dead one

Is there any name that the first to bear it is still alive?

Maximus69:


It's just a Parable like the Sower.
We know the meaning and it's practical application {Daniel 12:8-10} that's why we are working out the FRUIT of God's holy spirit as one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers {Micah 4:1-3 compare to John 17:20-23} whereas you people are confused and scattered {Luke 11:23} and you're all ashamed to because your religions are not shining like Jehovah's Witnesses Organization which is situated on the spiritual mountain that all eyes can see {Matthew 5:13-16} can't you see how all of you are coming from different directions to say what you know about Jehovah's Witnesses yet all your religions are kept in the hidden, none of you is bold enough to come out openly to mention his own Church, because you know it's of no repute like the one and only organization of God's people that's known globally! Philippians 2:15

Bible called it "the parable of the sower" and despite been a parable, it is applicable in real life.
Called the story of Lazarus parable; you or bible?

Janosky:


Bros no dey DECEIVE YOURSELF
Your KJV Bible calls it parable and every serious Bible student knows it is...

The screenshots are authentic

So, headlines is now included as bible?
You are funny!
Matthew 13:3 And he spake many things unto them in parables, saying, Behold, a sower went forth to sow;
Did bible record it in the same manner?
By the way, where is Elijah?

xaggar:


Jeez! Where do u get these ideas from?!
U certainly have a great imagination! Lol!

1 Peter 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: 3:19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

This is what you called imagination?

Janosky:

The Bible condemns spiritism and idolatry.
Deuteronomy 18:10-12.

JWs abhor such practices .

Iffa hear say...please don't make me laugh bros. Make we just forget the matter. If I start to talk, we no go commot for here.

Mentorme:

Bible called it "the parable of the sower" and despite been a parable, it is applicable in real life.
Called the story of Lazarus parable; you or bible?

If you know something there will be a sign that you truly understand.

Jesus knew there will be confusion after he's gone that's why he said regarding his true followers "you will know them by their FRUIT" Matthew 7:20

Notice that he promised to send the holy spirit which will remind his followers the things he taught them and "teach them new things" {John 14:26} Jehovah's Witnesses believe this so when we say "what Jesus said in a place is not to be taken literally" all you need to consider is the FRUIT of God's holy spirit amongst those saying this.

Do they have LOVE, JOY and PEACE reigning in their midst? Galatians 5:22

If YES is the answer then you need not worry over what they're telling you, they're the ones Jesus sent the spirit to so they can remember which part is literal or not in Jesus' speeches.

So if Jehovah's Witnesses (who are exhibiting the qualities of God's holy spirit) now say what Jesus said in that part is a Parable, anyone trying to argue with them is on his own!

chatinent:

There's a difference between hell and hell-fire. Coming to think of it, you who believe in hell fire sin everyday at whim still! Isn't it ironic?

I am an atheist.