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I have done my research, on benin-ife controversy which emerged in 1914 only three people knows this truth on nairaland ghostwon who first pointed it out to me, he is benin by tribe and had read quite enough on benin historical books before he finally came to understand it was made up, then followed by me who after ghostwon pointed it out so i decided to go on my personal research too,
And i found the truth, lastly TAO11 a Yoruba lady who was so pissed up about we benins bragging on ruling her state lagos in ancient times and decided to read benin documents to get proves to justify that ife had really giving a king to benin but to her own surprise she also found out the controversy was made up too.....  funny but true
Before you come here and attack make sure you have done your research on benin-ife history atleast on both history on yorubas and benin both on full scale

Note: i will make a full detailed thread presenting the evidence when i gather enough for a standard research thread, and scholars on both history are free to attack my points, for it is not a matter of tribalism is a more of the truth

My findings


1).it is probably the itsekiri who called the benin the name ile binu unlike what the controversy made us believe i used probably, because it is a research work i carried out myself , from my findings the Portuguese had first come in contact with the itsekiri at the shores who told them their overlord were angry set of people and had called the edo people
Ile binu land of vexation which the Portuguese called bini

2) the first mention of benin to yoruba history was samuel johson an oyo man who was the first yoruba writter who had written the history of yoruba in 1897 he had wrote benin was a direct son of oduduwa oromiyan which he mentioned was the last born who happend to be a warrior and had fought all his life with people from other African country and northern Nigeria, and later he established oyo, he never mentioned oromiyan venturing to benin or conquering benin according to him every oduduwa son left to find his own kingdom
The question is why did Samuel johson include benin as Yoruba at early times, even when benin at those very times never had once identified its monarchy or the entire people as Yoruba samuel johnson as we know was present during the yoruba war which the British later put a stop to, he even made peace with the yoruba elite before the war began but the war started anyway, so he had wrote extensively on the war , he also wrote on benin influence in the war and how benin supplied guns to aid the various yorubas who fought themselves and also how benin military had to protect ekiti its vassal from oyo which benin came victorious, benin really didnt partake in the war apart fron selling weapons to the yorubas who foght themselves they only came in the war to aid ekiti her vassal which wss under the benin empire, so samuel johnson knew well about benins he also knew they weren't yorubas either, but included as oduduwa son either to promote is own book to the western countries who was fully aware about the then benin empire
, samuel johson book history of yorubas has been faulted too by various yorubas because he was too oyo centric in his writings and also wrote on mythicism,
The second person who linked benin to yoruba was oba eweka11, you wonder why he used is name sake for the conspiracy and excluded edo people as Yorubas but only linked the mornachy
Oba eweka 11 was a very diplomatic king who had ascended the throne at 1914, he tried to reconnect the empire after the fall while the other kings like onni of ife alafin of oyo were already on their throne making progress with the britsh, oba eweka got to ascend his father throne in the year 1914, he tried to connect the monarchy with yoruba people probably for ethnic benefits, he also made press statements to the British too on how the ooni was is father and even went to the ooni of palace and willingly partcipate in some Yoruba rituals, all this was done to attach the monarchy to yoruba, for ethnic gains due to the situation of benin at that very time he needed to do all that as a wise king, but those statements were for diplomacy and not historical facts, like what we were made to believe but over the years the controversy has been kept going for cultural and political benefits by our elite

3) ogiso was a myth told by the benins royal to make their stool Divine like they attributed it to a sky god who came to rule men but ogiso never really existed but rather what the benin really had was oba and ogiso tales were myth it was also told to make the benin look old

4) ekaladeran to ife was invented by oba Erediawa the original history of ekaladeran which was recorded by a British ethnographer at late 1800 noted ekaladeran was a banished prince who fought the benin army but it was never mentioned he went to ife or uhe but settled at ughoton, ogiemen he fought for the throne was ogiemen(king of sea) and not ogieamien intepreted as (its ogie we have in benin and not oba), as misinterpreted by scholars

5. Scholars has also noted the vast distinction of benin ife art and argued and also disagree on its origin from ife

6) the benin royalty dont wprship any deity in the palace the oba is a deity himself and bigger than the others if truly he was from ife, he must have allowed the worship of ifa, sango, ogun and the others in the palace

7) till 1914, there was no historical evidence from the benin people connecting it to ife written by Europeans or even the benin people, all inventions started after 1914

the kinglist taken by Europeans in late 1800 wasnt having oromiyan as a king or even tales of oduduwa in benin untill the early last century
You csn read up benin kinglist

Please come in here if you want to debate the fact that oba have a connection with ife

Both yorubas and benins who still believe in such
Fallacy should stage


Cc:Macof

Macof come in here let me use to kill cold, oba na yoruba my ass

gregyboy:
Macof come in here let me use to kill cold, oba na yoruba my ass

This one you're looking for your fellow man to use and kill cold, is everything alright?

RedboneSmith:
This one you're looking for your fellow man to use and kill cold, is everything alright?

This igboman you dey find my mouth

here to see how it all unfolds

A small village like Bini wants the attention of the great Yoruba nation.

Okay, you have 2 mins: what do you want from your masters?

Emilokoiyawon:
A small village like Bini wants the attention of the great Yoruba nation.

Okay, you have 2 mins: what do you want from your masters?

Yorubas should Stop using the name of our oba as title

Edeyoung:
Yorubas should Stop using the name of our oba as title

Calm down. Yorubas have been answering the prefix Oba (Obafemi etc.) for hundreds of years before we sent one of our Ife royals to go and rule in Bini

[quote]Gregboy

The second person who linked benin to yoruba was oba eweka11, you wonder why he used is name sake for the conspiracy and excluded edo people as Yorubas but only linked the mornachy
Oba eweka 11 was a very diplomatic king who had ascended the throne at 1914, he tried to reconnect the empire after the fall while the other kings like onni of ife alafin of oyo were already on their throne making progress with the britsh, oba eweka got to ascend his father throne in the year 1914, he tried to connect the monarchy with yoruba people probably for ethnic benefits, he also made press statements to the British too on how the ooni was is father and even went to the ooni of palace and willingly partcipate in some Yoruba rituals, all this was done to attach the monarchy to yoruba, for ethnic gains due to the situation of benin at that very time he needed to do all that as a wise king, but those statements were for diplomacy and not historical facts, like what we were made to believe but over the years the controversy has been kept going for cultural and political benefits by our elite[//quote]



This is petty and I will advise you to pull it down..


Nothing to substantiate oba eweka had such thought.

Emilokoiyawon:
Calm down. Yorubas have been answering the prefix Oba (Obafemi etc.) for hundreds of years before we sent one of our Ife royals to go and rule in Bini

Are you trying to pull my legs or you are just ignorant on benin history, pick a benin history and read when you see Europeans or bini mentioning benin-ife ife in d past before 1914,cone with d prove if it is valid i will donate my balls for u

Emilokoiyawon:
Calm down. Yorubas have been answering the prefix Oba (Obafemi etc.) for hundreds of years before we sent one of our Ife royals to go and rule in Bini

Can you bring valid prove to this that there was a bini-ife connection, European made mention of all yorubas we encountered and even, samuel johson a Yoruba author made mentioned to the one he noticed but none made mention of benin having a relationship with
Ife should i now believe you because you went back in time to see it for yourself

Cowards, tells stories of lies to encourage pride for themselves

Edeyoung:
Can you bring valid prove to this that there was a bini-ife connection, European made mention of all yorubas we encountered and even, samuel johson a Yoruba author made mentioned to the one he noticed but none made mention of benin having a relationship with
Ife should i now believe you because you went back in time to see it for yourself Cowards, tells stories of lies to encourage pride for themselves

Small boy from a little village. Calm down. Even your Oba admit it. Stop embarrassing yourself in public before Omo n'oba place curse on your unfortunate head

Emilokoiyawon:
Small boy from a little village. Calm down. Even your Oba admit it. Stop embarrassing yourself in public before Omo n'oba place curse on your unfortunate head

I never denied the bolded or you couldn't read,

The italics always makes me know you are a clown, you cant see the coward curse on your tribe but you can see who the oba is about to curse, tao11, is a lady i respect, the yoruba men irredeemable cowards for life

TAO11 ought not to be a Yoruba lady she is so far from d ethnic curse

Edeyoung:
I never denied the bolded or you couldn't read,The italics always makes me know you are a clown, you cant see the coward curse on your tribe but you can see who the oba benin is about to curse, tao11, is a lady i respect, the yoruba men irredeemable cowards for life TAO11 ought not to be a Yoruba lady she is so far from d ethnic curse

You are indeed cursed. If you carry this your weak anti-Yoruba sentiment enter Oba of Bini's royal court, you will be bundled like a common ram and buried alive. Bini comes from Yoruba. Case closed. You can cry from now till Yeshua returns, it will not change anything.

Emilokoiyawon:
You are indeed cursed. If you carry this your weak anti-Yoruba sentiment enter Oba of Bini's royal court, you will be bundled like a common ram and buried alive. Bini comes from Yoruba. Case closed. You can cry from now till Yeshua returns, it will not change anything.

Yoruba came from Sudan, And afonja cursed yoruba people case closed, if you deny this fact the ooni will have no choice than to place a curse on you

Emilokoiyawon:
You are indeed cursed. If you carry this your weak anti-Yoruba sentiment enter Oba of Bini's royal court, you will be bundled like a common ram and buried alive. Bini comes from Yoruba. Case closed. You can cry from now till Yeshua returns, it will not change anything.

Lol, you're clown my God, bini comes ftom yoruba not the royalty anymore, otemwen uma beghe we uswan gwogwa ne

[quote author=MelesZenawi post=92494236][/quote]Ooh, so would you like to bring evidence from 1470 to 1913,substantiating benin-ife connection because the connection began after oba ewuare ascended the throne,


You cowards, and disgusting afonja, who would want to take words from someone who claims another ethnicity to cause trouble


You coward yoruba ethnic couldn't have one day sat on our royal thrown, it is a stool not meant for Cowards

Shut your stinking lying mouth, @gregyboy aka @Edeyoung

I wonder where your rotten brain got 1914 from when Roupell himself who collected the data from Benin in 1897 stated clearly that the first Oba of Benin (Eweka1) is a Yoruba man from Ife.

Moreso, this specific data was already published as at 1903 by H. Ling Roth in his “Great Benin: Its Customs, Art and Horrors, F. King & Sons Ltd., 1903, p.7.

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TAO12:
Shut your stinking lying mouth, @gregyboy aka @Edeyoung

I wonder where your rotten brain got 1914 from when Roupell himself who collected the data from Benin in 1897 stated clearly that the first Oba of Benin (Eweka1) is a Yoruba man from Ife.

Moreso, this specific data was already published as at 1903 by H. Ling Roth in his “Great Benin: Its Customs, Art and Horrors, F. King & Sons Ltd., 1903, p.7.

cc: ayoola27, RedboneSmith, Emilokoiyawon, MelesZenawi.

Csn we see the scrrenshot or the link to download the books

Edeyoung:
Csn we see the scrrenshot or the link to download the books

Stop bothering me with links and screenshot when you already have the reference.

Screenshots and links are not part of my burden of proof. Are Binis this dumb?

I have provided you with the statement and its detailed reference, including page number.

Moreover, this particular material is available free in digital form online.

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