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Xmuslim:
both are darkness brother. But you know not for now. Maybe later you will rejoice with us in the non-religious community

I will only rejoice with you when you give your life to Christ. Anything apart from that, we cannot coexist. because there is no relationship between light and darkness

delkuf:
Tribulation does not come before rapture. that is lie from the pit of hell

Biblical proof??

delkuf:
You are identifying the event that will happen before the rapture. men will leave the faith, become lovers of themselves. And famine and the destruction that will happen before the second coming of Christ. The is not the great tribulation. the great tribulation must happened after the Lord Jesus Christ have taken those that are his away from this world. Don't get it twisted

So who are the saints that the Antichrist is to make war with??

CalvinGaye:
Loafer Spotted!
You sound so empty and stupid.
And what's more Pathetic is I know you think you made a lot of sense with this your crap.

What is this low life breathing maggot saying?

As if it understands and recognizes what sense is

Xmuslim:
come off it. Abrahamic Religions forced people to believe in their stupíd theories by scaring them with hell fire.

I'm 99.99999% sure that christianity and Islam does not have any divine origin. Live your life without the fear of hell fire, live your life as a real human being

How exactly do you live your life as a real human being?

The rapture is definitely going to happen very soon.It can happen anytime.Dont be deceived.The rapture is not the same as the coming of christ.Rapture is the 'taking away' of the saints from the earth.After the rapture of the church,then the antichrist would be revealed and the great tribulation would begin.Within this period,the people(Tribulation Saints) who accept Jesus would be taken away to heaven.It could be likened to a second flight or second rapture.It would be very difficult to stand for Christ during the great tribulation and if you refuse to accept the mark of the beast,you will be tortured.Thereafter, Jesus Christ and all the saints would come to earth.That's the coming of christ.Everybody on earth would see him.He would come to judge the sinners (both dead & alive).Search the scriptures and ask Jesus to reveal himself to you.The things of God may appear foolish before men.Your human mind cannot comprend it.The time is short. Give your life to Jesus Christ now .You really don't wanna be here after the rapture.Accept Jesus!

kennedyugo:
Do you believe that there are other planets apart from the earth? Planets like Mars, mercury, jupiter and so on exists?
Heaven the abode of God is a planet, howbeit not physically, but spiritual.
The problem is that we as human are limited by our physical nature and senses that we cannot readily comprehend the possibility of having another world or place outside the ones we see.

Where you see some intelligence or kind of complexity, you immediately assume an intelligent being must be involved. Take a look at the phone you are holding and the amazing things you could do with it, you don't need someone to tell you that some intelligent people designed and crafted it. It did not create itself.
How can you then assume that such a complex being as human, or the earth as a planet with all the living things on it came out of nothing? That itself is not logical!

Mr Logical, but supercomplex being called God came from nothing huh.
Think! If God could come from nothing(self-existent), then The Universe as well could come from Nothing. That's logic.
Your argument is fallacy. If I'm to follow your point, Highly Complex being like God must be formed by another Higher being leading to infinite chain.That's Logic. Casuality principle is Logic. For every effect there must be a cause including God.

kennedyugo:
How exactly do you live your life as a real human being?

I don't follow dictate of scriptures like you do. You got the difference?

Next thing you will ask is how did I know what is good without scripture. I'm tired of all these ignorant questions by religious fellows

kennedyugo:
Do you believe that there are other planets apart from the earth? Planets like Mars, mercury, jupiter and so on exists?
Heaven the abode of God is a planet, howbeit not physically, but spiritual.
The problem is that we as human are limited by our physical nature and senses that we cannot readily comprehend the possibility of having another world or place outside the ones we see.

Where you see some intelligence or kind of complexity, you immediately assume an intelligent being must be involved. Take a look at the phone you are holding and the amazing things you could do with it, you don't need someone to tell you that some intelligent people designed and crafted it. It did not create itself.
How can you then assume that such a complex being as human, or the earth as a planet with all the living things on it came out of nothing? That itself is not logical!

Is that what your Genesis 1 told you?

Righteousness89:
2Peter 3:3-4
3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.



Calm Down! Humble yourself and Accept Jesus Christ.
If you Miss Heaven.... you Can't Miss Hell!

I marvel at the wisdom the Holy Spirit has bestowed on you, walahi you are too intelligent.

Exmilitant:
I am still trying to comprehend the possibilities of a flesh and blood flying into heaven to live with spirits.

The bible let's us know that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God.
And did you not see it there from the quoted verse?
We shall all be changed...
Corruptible (flesh) will put on incorruption...
Mortal (flesh) will put on immorality...

With God all things are possible.

franklytrue:
The bible let's us know that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God.
And did you not see it there from the quoted verse?
We shall all be changed...
Corruptible (flesh) will put on incorruption...
Mortal (flesh) will put on immorality...

With God all things are possible.

Papa, planet earth was made for us Q.E.D We go no where!

chatinent:
The word 'rapture' does not occur in the bible. Please read Rev 21:1-4 and answer this question: does the promise found in the cited scripture refer to the heavens?

You will continue to be deceived if you are looking for just that particular word 'Rapture' in the bible. That word is coined by man to explain the taking away (caught up) of the saints (1 Thessalonians 4:17). There are several scriptures that point to the taking away of the saints of Jesus Christ and then His second coming to the earth.

First He will come to take His saints before the great tribulation is over and the Anti Christ fully revealed and before the wrath of God is fully poured out and completed and then He will come again and reign for a thousand years on earth before the new heaven and new earth is made. See these scriptures:
Matthew chs 24 and 25,
Matthew 24: 29 - 42,
Mark 13: 26, 27, 31 - 37,
1 Corinthians 1:7-8
1 Thessalonians 3:13,
1 Thessalonians 4: 14 - 17,
1 Thessalonians 5: 1-2, 23,
2 Thessalonians 2: 1 - 5,
James 5:8,
1 John 2:28,
1 John 3:2
Revelation 3: 11,
Revelation 14: 14 - 20,
Revelation 16:15,
Revelation 22: 7, 12, 13
Revelation chs 20 and 21

Heaven and earth shall pass away but the Word of God shall not pass away. Don't look on only a few verses somewhere and conclude on the Word of God. Study the whole Word and compare spiritual things with spiritual.

"Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned." - 1 Corinthians 2:13-14

The Lord Jesus Christ is coming very soon, even in this our generation. The mark of the beast (RFID microchip) will soon be enforced and no buying or selling without it. That shows us how close the coming of the Lord Jesus is.

Exmilitant:
Papa, planet earth was made for us Q.E.D We go no where!

Yes it was made for man (who has an 'undying' spirit that came from God) and man was given dominion over it and the creatures but through sin, man forfeited this dominance to Satan who has become the god of this world (2 Corinthians 4:4). That is why God will make a new heaven and a new earth (of holiness and righteousness) that will continue for ever. (Revelation 21:1)

Slawormir:
Damnnnnn niggarrr There is no rapture We have been hearing that bullshit for too long

you're not a real niggarr then.

Nuttella:
I've dreamt of rapture before and it was exactly the way Bible said it.

That was your imaginations playing itself in your dreams. The rapture according to God's agenda has never been about flying away. The earth belongs to sons and we are not leaving it to anywhere. The rapture is the coming of age of the church whereby they put on the fullness they received in Christ. It is the coming "in the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God unto a perfect man. Contrary to popular opinions, it wouldn't be just a sudden experience to the church. It's going to be a gradual process of continually feasting on the truth of immortality till the body is "caught up". So the rapture is the unveiling of immortality from the inside man. It's the revelation of the Gods, Son.

franklytrue:
Yes it was made for man (who has an 'undying' spirit that came from God) and man was given dominion over it and the creatures but through sin, man forfeited this dominance to Satan who has become the god of this world (2 Corinthians 4:4). That is why God will make a new heaven and a new earth (of holiness and righteousness) that will continue for ever. (Revelation 21:1)

Look at yourself, contradicting GOD. The earth GOD created and declared good is what he will destroy? Tell me one sin the earth has committed to deserve destruction? You don't destroy your house because you have bad tenants, you evict them.

Jonasbadoo:
Just STFU
We are not discussing your twisted JW doctrines here but the word of God

You are welcome.

When the apostle Paul said that Christians would be “caught up” to be with the Lord, what subject was being discussed?
1 Thess. 4:13-18, RS: “We would not have you ignorant, brethren, concerning those who are asleep [“those who sleep in death,” NE; “those who have died,” TEV, JB], that you may not grieve as others do who have no hope. For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so, through Jesus, God will bring with him those who have fallen asleep. For this we declare to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, shall not precede those who have fallen asleep. For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the archangel’s call, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first; then we who are alive, who are left, shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and so we shall always be with the Lord. Therefore comfort one another with these words.” (Evidently some members of the Christian congregation in Thessalonica had died. Paul encouraged the survivors to comfort one another with the resurrection hope. He reminded them that Jesus was resurrected after his death; so, too, at the coming of the Lord, those faithful Christians among them who had died would be raised to be with Christ.)
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Who are the ones that will be ‘caught up in the clouds,’ as stated at 1 Thessalonians 4:17?
Verse 15 explains that they are faithful ones “who are left until the coming of the Lord,” that is, they are still living at the time of Christ’s coming. Will they ever die? According to Romans 6:3-5 and 1 Corinthians 15:35, 36, 44 (quoted on pages 314, 315), they must die before they can gain heavenly life. But there is no need for them to remain in the death state awaiting Christ’s return. They will instantly be “caught up,” “in the twinkling of an eye,” to be with the Lord.— 1 Cor. 15:51, 52, RS; also Revelation 14:13.

franklytrue:
You will continue to be deceived if you are looking for just that particular word 'Rapture' in the bible. That word is coined by man to explain the taking away (caught up) of the saints (1 Thessalonians 4:17). There are several scriptures that point to the taking away of the saints of Jesus Christ and then His second coming to the earth.

First He will come to take His saints before the great tribulation is over and the Anti Christ fully revealed and before the wrath of God is fully poured out and completed and then He will come again and reign for a thousand years on earth before the new heaven and new earth is made. See these scriptures:
Matthew chs 24 and 25,
Matthew 24: 29 - 42,
Mark 13: 26, 27, 31 - 37,
1 Corinthians 1:7-8
1 Thessalonians 3:13,
1 Thessalonians 4: 14 - 17,
1 Thessalonians 5: 1-2, 23,
2 Thessalonians 2: 1 - 5,
James 5:8,
1 John 2:28,
1 John 3:2
Revelation 3: 11,
Revelation 14: 14 - 20,
Revelation 16:15,
Revelation 22: 7, 12, 13
Revelation chs 20 and 21

Heaven and earth shall pass away but the Word of God shall not pass away. Don't look on only a few verses somewhere and conclude on the Word of God. Study the whole Word and compare spiritual things with spiritual.

"Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned." - 1 Corinthians 2:13-14

The Lord Jesus Christ is coming very soon, even in this our generation. The mark of the beast (RFID microchip) will soon be enforced and no buying or selling without it. That shows us how close the coming of the Lord Jesus is.

Rapture is a scam. Its all a façade

The term rapture is not in the Bible. A confused doctrine by the Christendom

Xmuslim:
I don't follow dictate of scriptures like you do. You got the difference?

Next thing you will ask is how did I know what is good without scripture. I'm tired of all these ignorant questions by religious fellows

You see. One thing you cannot deny is your conscience. That's what everyone has.
Even our forefathers who never had the Bible or Koran had some awareness of a higher being. This is a natural tendency which made them have one form of religion or the other. You cannot deny this.

The existence of morality in humanity signifies the existence of a moral law giver. Otherwise you cannot talk about morality. Everyone just might as well do whatever he likes. You don't have right anymore for condemning someone taking a knife and cutting of someone else head!
Secondly, If there is no notion of judgment, there is no reason then for any moral law.

Exmilitant:
Look at yourself, contradicting GOD. The earth GOD created and declared good is what he will destroy? Tell me one sin the earth has committed to deserve destruction? You don't destroy your house because you have bad tenants, you evict them.

"Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless." - 2 Peter 3:6-14

You will miss it if you always try to analyse God's word logically and keep comparing it with man-made things. What about when the bad tenants have messed up and damaged some parts of your house, does evicting them alone restore your house/building?

The" Earth" itself did not commit sin but man did and the ground was cursed for man's sake (Genesis 3:17-19). Man's action all through the years has physically polluted the earth through waste products and the like, not to talk of the spiritual pollution by the evil ones. God will cleanse and restore the heavens and earth so as by fire, (see the verses above) and make it anew.

chatinent:
When the apostle Paul said that Christians would be “caught up” to be with the Lord, what subject was being discussed?
1 Thess. 4:13-18, RS: “We would not have you ignorant, brethren, concerning those who are asleep [“those who sleep in death,” NE; “those who have died,” TEV, JB], that you may not grieve as others do who have no hope. For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so, through Jesus, God will bring with him those who have fallen asleep. For this we declare to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, shall not precede those who have fallen asleep. For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the archangel’s call, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first; then we who are alive, who are left, shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and so we shall always be with the Lord. Therefore comfort one another with these words.” (Evidently some members of the Christian congregation in Thessalonica had died. Paul encouraged the survivors to comfort one another with the resurrection hope. He reminded them that Jesus was resurrected after his death; so, too, at the coming of the Lord, those faithful Christians among them who had died would be raised to be with Christ.)
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Who are the ones that will be ‘caught up in the clouds,’ as stated at 1 Thessalonians 4:17?
Verse 15 explains that they are faithful ones “who are left until the coming of the Lord,” that is, they are still living at the time of Christ’s coming. Will they ever die? According to Romans 6:3-5 and 1 Corinthians 15:35, 36, 44 (quoted on pages 314, 315), they must die before they can gain heavenly life. But there is no need for them to remain in the death state awaiting Christ’s return. They will instantly be “caught up,” “in the twinkling of an eye,” to be with the Lord.— 1 Cor. 15:51, 52, RS; also Revelation 14:13.

So what is your point? State it clearly. Is Jesus coming back for His pure "bride" or not? Is there not going to be a marriage supper of the Lamb (Lamb of God - Jesus) or not?

You see from the scriptures how Enoch was translated and was taken by God for he walked very closely with God; he did not die. Also Elijah was carried into Heaven by a chariot of fire right there in the presence of Elisah. That is how the saints, the "bride" of Christ will be taken also (translated or caught up, so to speak) supernaturally

You are just quoting from your JW book. Why do you not go further at Revelation 14:13 down to vs 20?

In Revelation ch 14, vs 14 - 16 tells about the rapture while vs 17 - 20 shows the believers who were not ready and others left behind in the tribulation and during the outpour of the wrath of God which was after the Lord had reaped (carried away/'caught up') His first fruits (saints/bride) at the sound of the voice of the angel which was a similitude of the trumpet. God's own are likened to olive tree, vines or its branches, etc (See Revelation 11: 1 - 4, John 12: 24, Luke 13: 6 - 9, John 15: 1 - 9)

kingxsamz:
Have you thought about the possibility of you serving the wrong god?
You're giving yourself comfort by saying you'll find out after you die, and if it exists, you'll be on the safe side.
Who told you you'd be on the safe side?
What if the Muslim god is actually the true god?
What if Zeus is?
What if you end up in the hell of another religion?
You see, you're just like atheists, you don't believe in other thousands of gods. stop lying to yourself that you have nothing to lose.
There are thousands of gods if you don't know. The only reason you believe in the Christian god is because you were brought up in a Christian home.

You don't get tired of repeating the same lies. People are converted every day in their thousands all over the world to different religions and ideologies. It is MYOPIC and continued glory in ignorance to claim that people are only Christian because they were brought up in a Christian home.

Another ignorance you delight in is the claim that theists are atheists. Either you are at a loss of the right words to use or you are unaware/ignorant yet again. A theist believes in the existence of God and of other gods. Atheists do not believe in the existence of God or other gods.
Among the gods, who is like Thee. Glorious in holiness, fearful in praises, doing wonders. That is the incomparable Jehovah God. Your ceremonial degree in naivety beclouds you from knowing that the other gods do not make the claims of Jehovah God. No other God says Jesus Christ is the only way. Neither do they have the Christian concepts and teaching of hell fire. You look silly every time you bring up what does not exist about other gods and religions. Even the closest clones to Christianity do not lay claim to exclusivity like the Bible does. Go and do proper research and study, you should have become a senior fool by now, not on this level.