EgunMogaji2:
We’ve been doing this thread now for a minute.

Lots of proven and established builders have wowed us with fantastic structures over the years.

People like Aventures, Spyder880, Skimanski, RichYoungRuler, Abdulwastecx, Podosci, KolaShangOne, Darenyx and others that I may have forgotten.

I don’t recall ever reading them post seeking for business or claiming number one or the best. Combined they must have hundreds of millions in completed projects.

Guys, thanks for your humility and letting your work speak for itself.

Relevance?

If I may ask, who are the poor Nigerians?

Is it the woman who’s selling sweet that her son is driving Bentley?
These same set of people are the ones who will go and queue for N1,000 during election.

Or is it those timber merchant who dress like babalawo that is poor?

It’s only the lazy street urchins that are poor. Not even agberos!

Even our construction workers aren’t poor. I once paid a carpenter N485,000 for just 2 buildings. He asked me to help him keep his money.

This is one reason I get worried when I see graduates crying over 30k minimum wage.

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n3xt:
If I may ask, who are the poor Nigerians?

Is it the woman who’s selling seeet that her son is driving Bentley?
These same set of people are the ones who will go and queue for N1,000 during election.

Or is it those timber merchant who dress like babalawo that is poor?

It’s only the lazy street urchins that are poor. Not even agberos!

Even our construction workers aren’t poor. I once paid a carpenter N485,000 for just 2 buildings. He asked me to help him keep his money.

This is one reason I get worried when I see graduates crying over 30k minimum wage.

O saaro Thursday!

n = 1

This whole statement makes little sense. There's no point to this debate if you guys are going to be using anecdotes as data points.

Let's get back to construction thing please. I'm just here to learn a thing or two about the building process here.

money121:
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Oga, please once in a while drop roofing tips, how to beat dubious measurements and help answer questions. Not just everytime advertisements. I come and go in peace

n3xt:
If I may ask, who are the poor Nigerians?

Is it the woman who’s selling sweet that her son is driving Bentley?
These same set of people are the ones who will go and queue for N1,000 during election.

Or is it those timber merchant who dress like babalawo that is poor?

It’s only the lazy street urchins that are poor. Not even agberos!

Even our construction workers aren’t poor. I once paid a carpenter N485,000 for just 2 buildings. He asked me to help him keep his money.

This is one reason I get worried when I see graduates crying over 30k minimum wage.

O saaro Thursday!

I know how much I’ve paid my bricklaying crew over the past 3 months. If any of them say they’re poor they should be ashamed of themselves. Though I recognize that some work are cyclical.

qdlvy:


n = 1

This whole statement makes little sense. There's no point to this debate if you guys are going to be using anecdotes as data points.

Let's get back to construction thing please. I'm just here to learn a thing or two about the building process here.

The aim of my last post is to present an argument that the measures of poverty and inequality are becoming less reliable over time.

A client who work with IFC contracted me to build a house for him and I told him the project is too big. He took me to his folks houses in the village and he said “Look at these guys, they’ve not stepped out of this country and their houses are quite bigger than mine.”

If you ask an average Nigerian how they’re fairing, they’ll tell you “We are managing.” Yet they build houses and run businesses without loans.

The temptation to interpret happiness and subjective wellbeing of Nigerians as a cardinal measure may lead to misleading conclusions.

The same way we claim there are no jobs in Nigeria. I was at popular gate market in Ibadan few weeks ago and all I saw were endless opportunities.



Back to Construction

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The discussion on poverty index and demography is actually quite relevant and indirectly related to real estate, especially for those building for commercial/business purposes.

If we don't understand and correctly classify the purchasing power of the buying public we may end up building at a loss or struggle to sell if not correctly priced.

IMHO,based on verifiable facts out there...ours is a large market but when you properly break down that 200m market you discover we are a poor people in terms of % and absolute numbers wrt. GDP per capita.

Those cases sighted are just outliers...look at the aggregate numbers and its telling.

qdlvy:


n = 1

This whole statement makes little sense. There's no point to this debate if you guys are going to be using anecdotes as data points.

Let's get back to construction thing please. I'm just here to learn a thing or two about the building process here.

n3xt:


The aim of my last post is to present an argument that the measures of poverty and inequality are becoming less reliable over time.

A client who work with IFC contracted me to build a house for him and I told him the project is too big. He took me to his folks houses in the village and he said “Look at these guys, they’ve not stepped out of this country and their houses are quite bigger than mine.”

If you ask an average Nigerian how they’re fairing, they’ll tell you “We are managing.” Yet they build houses and run businesses without loans.

The temptation to interpret happiness and subjective wellbeing of Nigerians as a cardinal measure may lead to misleading conclusions.

The same way we claim there are no jobs in Nigeria. I was at popular gate market in Ibadan few weeks ago and all I saw were endless opportunities.



Back to Construction

EgunMogaji2:


I know how much I’ve paid my bricklaying crew over the past 3 months. If any of them say they’re poor they should be ashamed of themselves. Though I recognize that some work are cyclical.

soonest:


Oga, please once in a while drop roofing tips, how to beat dubious measurements and help answer questions. Not just everytime advertisements. I come and go in peace

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https://www.nairaland.com/3364135/roofing-sheets-cost-various-types

megacontrol:
The discussion on poverty index and demography is actually quite relevant and indirectly related to real estate, especially for those building for commercial/business purposes.

If we don't understand and correctly classify the purchasing power of the buying public we may end up building at a loss or struggle to sell if not correctly priced.

IMHO,based on verifiable facts out there...ours is a large market but when you properly break down that 200m market you discover we are a poor people in terms of % and absolute numbers wrt. GDP per capita.

Those cases sighted are just outliers...look at the aggregate numbers and its telling.

Abi o. I’ve learnt to just shun certain disgruntled post/posters. I’m not using my precious retirement resource on nonsense

This is what Hajj wrote when he started his thread:

“Off-Topic Thread - To Discuss Anything and Everything that doesn't fit into an individual thread.
Let's discuss everything pertaining to Building Constructions, Real estate and some more.”

The only thing that he expressly forbid was advertisement.

To what we are discussing.

Are there poor people in Nigeria? Absolutely. Just as there’s dead broke people in the USA, U.K., etc

My grouse is the painting of the populace as generally poor. But I completely understand your point.

Case in point

https://www.nairaland.com/6050018/after-nysc-want-buy-bike#92743827

EgunMogaji2:
Case in point

https://www.nairaland.com/6050018/after-nysc-want-buy-bike#92743827

I saw this too.

Goodmorning house... so some days ago some people came to my site where construction is ongoing and said they came from Lagos state government building control agency and that we didn’t get a permit before starting the construction from the agency and now are asking for us to pay them a sum of #200000 , please I need your help here on what to do because this morning is too much and from what they said it isn’t even backed up by any receipt.
And the worst part is that the engineer didn’t even mention anything of such to me at the beginning of the construction , please what should I do ?

money121:

[/s]Oga[s] No vex Hope this Thread epp

https://www.nairaland.com/1806964/check-out-picture-wood-work

https://www.nairaland.com/3357472/collection-sample-stone-coated-roofing

https://www.nairaland.com/3364135/roofing-sheets-cost-various-types

Please make it madam

EgunMogaji2:


Abi o. I’ve learnt to just shun certain disgruntled post/posters. I’m not using my precious retirement resource on nonsense

This is what Hajj wrote when he started his thread:

“Off-Topic Thread - To Discuss Anything and Everything that doesn't fit into an individual thread.
Let's discuss everything pertaining to Building Constructions, Real estate and some more.”

The only thing that he expressly forbid was advertisement.

To what we are discussing.

Are there poor people in Nigeria? Absolutely. Just as there’s dead broke people in the USA, U.K., etc

My grouse is the painting of the populace as generally poor. But I completely understand your point.

Lol. Your retirement resource will put you below the poverty line even in Alabama or Mississippi. I assume it was the major factor in your decision to relocate, not your claimed 'undying' love for Naija.
Well thank you for still investing the kobokobo dollar in our country. We need the foreign exchange.

KIDfurniture:
Bought same quantity for 50k 2 days ago...quarry in ibadan is shutting down....transport to site 30k ..that is 80k

Which quarry is this??

n3xt:


I saw this too.

I continued the conversation offline with a neighbor.

This is someone that’s never left Nigeria.

His opinion mimics mine

temi4fash:


Which quarry is this??

I think it’s the Bakatari one.

Don’t feel bad if you don’t get the posted price. I consider my 25 tons for N100K a super deal.

Donoppy:
Goodmorning house... so some days ago some people came to my site where construction is ongoing and said they came from Lagos state government building control agency and that we didn’t get a permit before starting the construction from the agency and now are asking for us to pay them a sum of #200000 , please I need your help here on what to do because this morning is too much and from what they said it isn’t even backed up by any receipt.
And the worst part is that the engineer didn’t even mention anything of such to me at the beginning of the construction , please what should I do ?

Not sure how to answer your questions because I don’t do Lagos. Seasoned pros will chime in shortly.

For other newbie builders, please do proper research before starting your build.

You need various permits and inspections.

Always cross check your contractors.

Good luck Sir.

Poor means >>> passing over opportunities repeatedly

Donoppy:
Goodmorning house... so some days ago some people came to my site where construction is ongoing and said they came from Lagos state government building control agency and that we didn’t get a permit before starting the construction from the agency and now are asking for us to pay them a sum of #200000 , please I need your help here on what to do because this morning is too much and from what they said it isn’t even backed up by any receipt.
And the worst part is that the engineer didn’t even mention anything of such to me at the beginning of the construction , please what should I do ?

Some so called 'engineers' are actually quacks.

Let me say this. You are not a lawyer just because you went to Unilag or OAU to study law. You must be called to Bar before being called a Lawyer. That is what is happening with the speaker of the LAHA. You are not an engineer because you graduated with HND or Bsc in any engineering related field, until you become a COREN certified. Anyone that studies Estate Management in the Higher institution is not an Estate Surveyor and Valuer, but a graduate of Estate Management. To become an Estate Surveyor and Valuer, you must be certified by RICS (Royal Institution of Chartered Surveyors UK) or By ESVARBON (Estate Surveyors and Valuers Registration Board of Nigeria)

You need to ask your engineer for his COREN certificate, otherwise he's just a graduate and not a professional.

Yes, you need approval before you can carryout any development in Lagos State, as dictated by the Urban and Regional Development Planning Law 2010.
For you to pull down a building, you must get approval. For you to construct, you need approval.

Lagos State Building Control Agency (LASBCA) is an enforcement agency under the Ministry of Physical Planning and Urban Development of Lagos State. They are responsible for sealing up illegal development. Your development is illegal.

Illegal Development is described as any development without requisite approval from the MPPUD Lagos State.

But LABSCA does not have any right to demand such, unless the site is sealed and you're told to pay unsealing fee to LASG, which is N250,000. Not as bribe, but to be receipted.

megacontrol:
The discussion on poverty index and demography is actually quite relevant and indirectly related to real estate, especially for those building for commercial/business purposes.

If we don't understand and correctly classify the purchasing power of the buying public we may end up building at a loss or struggle to sell if not correctly priced.

IMHO,based on verifiable facts out there...ours is a large market but when you properly break down that 200m market you discover we are a poor people in terms of % and absolute numbers wrt. GDP per capita.

Those cases sighted are just outliers...look at the aggregate numbers and its telling.

"If we don't understand and correctly classify the purchasing power of the buying public we may end up building at a loss or struggle to sell if not correctly priced."

Base on your above comment an investor with dollars shouldn't invest in Nigeria?
Rate of Dollar to Naira keep changing unstable market

Enjoying the whole thing. How is the construction and real estate business?

EgunMogaji2:


I think it’s the Bakatari one.

Don’t feel bad if you don’t get the posted price. I consider my 25 tons for N100K a super deal.

OK thanks

Concerning an issue that almost caused a disagreement between a client and a contractor. As everything is increasing in cost in this pandemic season, many clients will find that the cost of fixing P.O.P ceiling has increased over the past few months (especially if it's not labour). This is as a result of increase in the cost of p.o.p cements, which at the moment is fluctuating. I've had to review prices with clients that got their quotation last year and are just ready to start the job. It shouldn't come as a shock to you as the prices of goods as at January is different from the price now.
On a norms, the rate per sq/metre depends on how simple or complex the design is and sometimes location ( as prices are cheaper/costlier in some states ).
Also, making enquiries is not just based on asking how much it will cost to fix p.o.p in a 3 bedroom flats. I've had some customers get angry just because of this.
*Your 3 bedroom flat is different from another's. Your may be build on half a plot while another may be on a plot.
*Yours may have other rooms like the store, anterooms and all sorts of additional rooms while another may just be basic 2 bedrooms and sitroom.
All this is after considering the designs you choose. Therefore it'll be quite difficult to just say a figure off the top one's head based on little detail.

At His Grace Interiors, our aim is to give you the very best and not giving headaches while at it.
Your cooperation and understanding will go a long way in making the processes smooth and easy. Thank you!

We install beautiful and durable p.o.p ceilings and other related works like screeding, skirting e.t.c.
Contact us on +2347069462837 or at hisgraceinteriors@gmail.com.

erico2k2:

These guys deliver to 9ja, I have used their Air cargo to ship car parts to 9ja, it was delivered to my friend in Lagos

Do they bill you per kg? Or per volume?

cash1115:
Concerning an issue that almost caused a disagreement between a client and a contractor. As everything is increasing in cost in this pandemic season, many clients will find that the cost of fixing P.O.P ceiling has increased over the past few months (especially if it's not labour). This is as a result of increase in the cost of p.o.p cements, which at the moment is fluctuating. I've had to review prices with clients that got their quotation last year and are just ready to start the job. It shouldn't come as a shock to you as the prices of goods as at January is different from the price now.
On a norms, the rate per sq/metre depends on how simple or complex the design is and sometimes location ( as prices are cheaper/costlier in some states ).
Also, making enquiries is not just based on asking how much it will cost to fix p.o.p in a 3 bedroom flats. I've had some customers get angry just because of this.
*Your 3 bedroom flat is different from another's. Your may be build on half a plot while another may be on a plot.
*Yours may have other rooms like the store, anterooms and all sorts of additional rooms while another may just be basic 2 bedrooms and sitroom.
All this is after considering the designs you choose. Therefore it'll be quite difficult to just say a figure off the top one's head based on little detail.

At His Grace Interiors, our aim is to give you the very best and not giving headaches while at it.
Your cooperation and understanding will go a long way in making the processes smooth and easy. Thank you!

We install beautiful and durable p.o.p ceilings and other related works like screeding, skirting e.t.c.
Contact us on +2347069462837 or at hisgraceinteriors@gmail.com.

Nice!

GoodFaith:

"If we don't understand and correctly classify the purchasing power of the buying public we may end up building at a loss or struggle to sell if not correctly priced."

Base on your above comment an investor with dollars shouldn't invest in Nigeria?
Rate of Dollar to Naira keep changing unstable market

You bring up a valid point.

My take is that, like me, an astute USD investor needs to critical ensure the industry to be invested in.

I chose three areas. Real Estate. Automotive. Renewable Energy.

alstacs:


Do they bill you per kg? Or per volume?

per kilo in some instance ie Air and per volume sea, ie £50/bag

Thanks a lot for the referral

He is doing a great job.

twinskenny:


Engr how you Dey?


Call this guy he will deliver
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megacontrol:
The discussion on poverty index and demography is actually quite relevant and indirectly related to real estate, especially for those building for commercial/business purposes.

If we don't understand and correctly classify the purchasing power of the buying public we may end up building at a loss or struggle to sell if not correctly priced.

IMHO,based on verifiable facts out there...ours is a large market but when you properly break down that 200m market you discover we are a poor people in terms of % and absolute numbers wrt. GDP per capita.

Those cases sighted are just outliers...look at the aggregate numbers and its telling.

Exactly.