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pu7pl3:
All these your Perez conspiracy theories na the only issue wey I dey get with your reasoning...

You would be making soomuch sense and then boom..you drop the stinker that spoils the whole soup

LordAdamX:
So if you're given the choice of losing by 1 goal to semi-finalist Ajax, losing by an away goal to semi-finalist Lyon and losing by 3 unreplied goals to Juve, 3 unreplied goals to Roma, 4 unreplied goals to Liverpool, and a whooping 8 goals to Bayern; you'd choose the latter?

You're not just losing, you're falling apart and bottling on a yearly basis. But according to you, leadership is overrated.

Don't worry, if the last five years is any indication, Barca would do something worse than this 8 2 loss next year. Don't ask me what it is, I'm waiting for you guys and Messi to surprise me.

Last last, Messi fans truly deserve this horrible run of events. I don't know if Barcelona as a club deserves it, but the way you make your bed...

-Lord

haymekus:
Sell all these ancestors then give MATS the captain armband

LordAdamX:
That's your own cup of tea. Everybody on the forum know I don't like Perez. I only tolerate him.

If Zidane no kon save our a$$ and Barca no zuzu, na we and cules for dey share tissue paper this year.

And we all know he'd have sacked Zidane or whomever and continued his compulsive gambling. But that's not the topic of discussion...

-Lord

You also forgot to add how he influenced the Balon d'Or decision to Modric's favour like you stated earlier

tesppidd:
Points to decipher from the bolded portion above.


Ronaldo knew his team mates were not good enough.

He didn't want what happened to Messi to happen to him.

He left to avoid the humiliation Messi is facing today.

But Messi refuses to leave the last 5 years because he felt loyal and thought he could do it all by himself even with under performing
players.

So Messi actually refused to leave despite seeing that the team was deteriorating.

You've said it all.

Case closed.

tesppidd:


Ooh I get it now;

His own leadership is not to lead the team to win the champions league.

But to lead his team to not lose by more than one goal or only lose by the way goals rule.

Pardon me, I understand it better now.

barackodam:
Na so Bayern turn us to motivational speakers ko?

This life is not fair o.

Y'all keep motivating yourselves o.

Bayern will flog us. Call me defeatist or whatever idc.

The only thing, the only thing, that will save us is Messi!!!

Only Messi can save us. All these analysis you people are doing is arrant waste of time. Like someone rightly said up there, let's hope we lose humbly.

If Messi doesn't turn up(with what I saw against Naples, he will), or if Bayern are able to hold him, itaf finish.

Y'all need to be seeing things the way they are and stop hoping and motivating each other.

Azzin, like this is the first game of the season

If we play that shiit we played against Naples for Bayern, lol. Even Ter Stegen go dey shame to pick ball for back of net


Maybe Dembouz can, maybe, just maybe. He has a lot to prove, doubters(i still believe in him) wrong.

The only hope is to hope Messi bails is out, else, they're coming back to Barcelona tomorrow

LordAdamX:
The falling out is what a non-RM fan will see.

Look closely and you'd realize it was much more than that. Ronaldo wanted to leave for the same reason Zidane left. On the one hand, there was the salary issue, but on the other hand there was the sporting issue. If we hadn't won the UCL in his last season, we'd have ended the season trophyless. We lost the league to the worst Barca team up to that point, were harangued out of the CdR and there were humongous issues in the team.

Earlier in the season Ronaldo criticized the front office for not having sufficient back-up; particularly with Morata and James. He knew if he had stayed, what's happening to Messi now will happen to him. All that Lopetegui and Solari drama, na CR7 name dem go dey call up and down.

Ron's exit is the Madrid way. I wouldn't call it unceremonious. The Balon D'Or was to keep Modric who was on his way to Inter Milan. Now Modric is about to be discarded like Perez had planned to do to Ronaldo if he hadn't pushed to leave.

All parties, Juve, RM, and Ronaldo got something positive out of the deal. There's no guarantee that Juve without Ronaldo would have won the UCL instead of Liverpool last year and this year no one is getting past Bayern. There's no guarantee either that RM with Ronaldo would have won the UCL in both years either... It's hard to keep winning after 3 consecutive successful runs. And Ronaldo gets his salary and a grateful board.

Barcelona's problem is multi-faceted, so it's easy for anyone to pick one party and build a case against them while shielding another party.

I refuse to buy this idea that a player of Messi's standing in Barcelona has very little if any blame in their current predicament. Talisman, captain, and club legend is not only about receiving fat salary and having club official accounts like your wife's social media post. He is either part of the solution or part of the problem; right now it doesn't look like the former.

-Lord

tesppidd:
Bolded

Why should they be over reliant on Messi?


We saw one leader get dumped out by small Ajax last season.
We saw one leader get dumped out by Lyon this season.

Adiwana:
First things first,salary was never an issue. If not Madrid would never have gambled a fit Ronaldo that had a balon dor winning season and has at least 5 years left that will bang at least 30 goals a season to an unfit Bale that is unreliable and is week in,week out of the hospital only to turn around and make Bale the highest paid player in the squad while he's somewhere playing golf even denying him a move to China. They made a move for Hazard knowing fully well he will never deliver like Ronaldo. The whole salary excuse they gave was just to appease the media and fans

Secondly,Ronaldo leaving Madrid had nothing to do with what happened on the field. He complained that he didn't feel the love he once had received at the club which is what is currently happening with Messi at Barca. There was a clear disconnect between him and those who run the club and that's why he pushed to leave. The aftermath of the Balon Dor was just a ripple effect of the whole issue and that's why he didn't attend those awards. Perez could care less if Modric went to Inter and giving him the award juat to make him no leave yet made more sense. You just can't lose Zidane,Modric and Ronaldo at a go. It was disaster waiting to happen and we saw how that went last season till that same Zidane was called back to make that transition/rebuild much easier

Thirdly, Winning the champions league 3x in a roll also meant that Madrid could afford to lose him. Cashing out 100M+,cutting his huge wage off the bill ,Bale finally stepping up after that goal against Liverpool,bringing in Hazard and knowing that Benzema and Ramos are also there made more sense so why not afford to let him go. It was a good business for both Juve and Madrid and am not doubting that


Barcelona's problem on the other is so deep that this is not just some problem with Messi and the board or one player against his manager. The club president pays media outlets to run propaganda against the squad, whether Neymar comes back or not has split the club as some people don't want him back while players like Messi,Pique,Suarez wants him. Rumors that Griezmann continues to get isolated by Messi due to issues that surrounded his signings. Valverde has a disaster against both Roma and Liverpool and somehow started this season as our manager. Messi and Abidal fallout,etc etc. The issue is so multi-faceted as you said that there's no one cause to point to. We just look like random 11 players that was thrown in to play for the sake of playing week in week out and yesterday was just what brought attention to those issues. The result was shameful to say the least but nobody who understood the mess we're in would be surprised by yesterday

Messi on the other hand as a captain will sure partake in the blame. At least as a captain,he should be able help the team separate what happens off field to what happens on the field. But the truth is that the problems are way beyond him and we need to at the very least start by weeding out those who run Brarcelona

tesppidd:
Even the team that dismantled you yesterday had at least 3 ancestors in it.

LordAdamX:
Not having sufficient back-up is very different from teammates are not good enough.

And he read the riot act; not stay, swallow fat salary, protect his friends in the team, drop consecutive disasterclass for 5 years straight; then turn around and play the victim.

Staying is easy. Just sign a new contract.

However, if you're choosing to stay, then you must be part of the solution to whatever problems exist. Not making the problems worse which is clearly the case here.

Anyway, I don't have any skin in the game. It's your club, he's your MCM, and you can continue to exonerate him. Next year Barto will be voted out and if Barca is lucky, his replacement will not be a brown noser. It's just unfortunate you have someone like Messi in your team and all this calamity is progressing at a frightening rate while he's behaving like a bystander.

Even Pique is saying if change is coming, he'd volunteer for it to start with him. That's Pique o, not Maldini.

-Lord

LordAdamX:
Not having sufficient back-up is very different from teammates are not good enough.

And he read the riot act; not stay, swallow fat salary, protect his friends in the team, drop consecutive disasterclass for 5 years straight; then turn around and play the victim.

Staying is easy. Just sign a new contract.

However, if you're choosing to stay, then you must be part of the solution to whatever problems exist. Not making the problems worse which is clearly the case here.

Anyway, I don't have any skin in the game. It's your club, he's your MCM, and you can continue to exonerate him. Next year Barto will be voted out and if Barca is lucky, his replacement will not be a brown noser. It's just unfortunate you have someone like Messi in your team and all this calamity is progressing at a frightening rate while he's behaving like a bystander.

Even Pique is saying if change is coming, he'd volunteer for it to start with him. That's Pique o, not Maldini.

-Lord

haymekus:
Atleast they have been very good all season long and showed no form of decline, when was the last time/ how many times has Suarez or Vidal or Alba or ratishit put up a 8/10 performance this season


I hope wen we get a good coach with balls, and he kicks out these ancestors, you’ll follow them out of this team

LordAdamX:
Oh, salary was a big issue. Perez delayed salary talks for 18 months. And you don't know what was in Perez mind when he bought Hazard. This is a man who was so clueless that he bought Mariano as a replacement for Ronaldo (and gave him the #7 jersey) and sacked Lope because according to him he was unable to utilize a team with several players who were shortlisted in the Balon D'Or team of the season. The same players who would later crash out of all competitions in a single week.

The salary was not an excuse.

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You cannot say it had NOTHING to do with what happened on the field, when he publicly criticized the front office on transfer policy.

The friction between Perez and Ronaldo did not start in 2018. It was a perennial niggle but he did not leave until our sporting situation looked like it'd spiral out of control. He had already been booed in the Bernabeu because there was a section of the fanbase that believed he was part of the glaring problems. Yet there was no sense of urgency from the front office to remedy the problems. It was after the Lope catastrophe that Perez saw what everyone else was seeing.

Zidane left too. Neither Zidane nor Ronaldo would have left if RM still looked like world beaters. That's the reason I said CR7 time with us had ended. You either die a hero, or live long enough to be the villain. Messi is living out the latter part.

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Dazzall. Of course, the blame does not ONLY rest on Messi.

My issue is with the "exoneration" by his fans of ANY culpability. After FIVE consecutive years of embarassments... That makes no sense!

Seriously, a coach with a working brain, change in mentality, 2-3 new players and this Barca team will be VERY different.

-Lord

tesppidd:
You think you have arrived because you have Vinicus.

See how you got dumped out of UCL home and away by our wife Man City.

Let's see how you will ever smell the UCL again without Ronaldo.

You dumped Ronaldo and Juve snapped him up.
Today Ronaldo is the best thing that has happened to Juve and their next project is to build a team around him.
Juve are keen on building their team around man going to be 36 years old in February.
Let that sink in!
Don't be fooled by your VARliga. Real Madrid without Ronaldo are not special anymore.


The day we let Messi go at 33 is the day we become a very average team that will struggle to be a top team and challenge for la liga.

Griezman and Dembele are not at the level of the next line of superstars like Mbappe, De Bryune, Sterling and Neymar.


Look at the stats Messi posted in la liga this season!
Messi practically bossed the whole of la liga in terms of all the individual stats you can think of.

We let Messi go and a top top top European team will grab him and build a solid team around him for another 3 years.

You don't get it do you? The world will most likely not see any player like Messi and Ronaldo in another 50 years.

They must be pampered.

If you guys had only pampered Ronaldo perhaps with the solid team you have with a lot of fresh blood, both parites (Real and Ronaldo) won't be flopping separately today in the UCL.

They might even have won another UCL together.

Even at 33, I could only think of maybe 3 players with greater ability/value than Messi today.(and that's strictly because of their ages)

Neymar
Mbappe
De Bryune
Maybe Sterlin


Barca has got 2 options now;

1. Keep Messi and rebuild another fresh team around him for another 3 years. Replace the oldies like Suarez, Rakitic, Alba, Busquets and co with younger better faster players.

2. Let him go to another big European team which would definitely build a solid team around him and try to get the best out of him for another 3 years. Then manage Dembele and Griezman whom we DREAM are our next superstars after Ronaldnho and Messi.

Of course I know that there are a lot of us who would rather gamble with it and want Messi sold now; with the hope of rebuilding a new team.

But as we do that we would do well to remember A.C. Milan, Manchester United and Inter Milan who are still gasping 10 years later.

TalabiAudu:
I'm very happy as a rival they've not seen the light.

Let that cycle continue! Amen!

usbcable:
yOU ALL ARE MISSING THE POINT IN MY POST.

I didnt say Messi is at fault. But BARCELONA FC as a club lost the match.

instead of talking of the club and and everyone deserving more.

y'all are here consoling Messi. Was Messi the only person that lost? Was he the only person that is emotionally attached to the club?

For instance you all are being bashed terribly here on nairaland because of that debacle but your shallow prism of seeing thinsg could only see Messi's loss as against your personal losses.

Well I shouldn't be surprised when you are all MESSI FC fans. Recall wishing him success against your own national team.

Wehen he retires maybe all of you will stop football too

LordAdamX:
You dey use back hold dam wen 1 burst. Don't say you were not warned.

2016, 2017, 2018, 2019, now 2020. That's five straight years that Messi has been unceremoniously bundled out from UCL. Same Barcelona team.

If this repeats next year, na your fellow cules go begin loud am say e don overdue to comot. And you Messi fans will not be able to stop it. The sentiment is already there. It's bubbling underneath. Every FCB online community has a rapidly rising half who feel the same way. Many are masking it with "other players are awful so he should leave." Very soon na finger dem go start dey point.

Madrid, Juve, and Barca are not on the same page at all. No let results deceive you.

Madrid is rebuilding and things are already looking up.

You can't replace a player like Ronaldo. His time with us has ended. And getting to the UCL SF consecutively is not the norm for any club. That consistency is only possible when stars align. Elite clubs with WC players fumble all the time. That's perfectly normal. Look at Bayern: After this yr, dem go cold. Like Liverpool don cold after two years. Then until 3-5 years before things go click again.

That's where Madrid is at now. And have two trophies, an elite core, and a legendary manager to show for it.

Juve has been punching above their weight. If it wasn't for Allegri's masterclass and a very good core, they had no business getting to 2 UCL finals.

They got Ronaldo for 2 reasons. Commercial appeal to raise revenues and out of desperation after 24 years of lack of success in the UCL. They've got the first. They might yet get the other. They're already rebuilding. They have a core midfield of Rabiot, Bentancur, and Arthur. De Ligt and Demiral are favorites to replace Bonucci and Chiellini. Kulusevski and Dybala are up front. And they're seriously looking to replace Higuain with a young 9.

That's not a board that's building around a 36 year old. They're building a team that'd have a winning mentality, keep winning the scudetto as a baseline, and be favorites for the UCL even after CR7 leaves. They want to be at the level of Madrid, Barca, and Bayern, where every year they're favorites, not have one good year and then drop off.

Ronaldo for his part has single-handedly transformed how the entire top office thinks and hastened the dismantling of the old guard. Mandzukic, Khedira, Pjanic, Matuidi, Barzagli, Buffon. Cuadrado was on his way out, the Cancelo flop got him back in the team. Costa na from operating table to outbound jet nai remain.

Sarri came out after the Lyon ouster and said in the press conference that he was satisfied with how the team played. Bonucci said after the game that they had achieved their season objective (Scudetto) and the UCL is a dream. Hours later, CR7 said on Instagram that a club like Juventus cannot be thinking like that.

Next day, Agnelli (President) said the UCL is no longer a dream but an objective and sacked Sarri. Days after the Sporting Director Paratici said Sarri would get another year.

In comparison, Barcelona is a clusterf*ck. What are you guys doing? What is Messi doing? What is the fanbase doing beyond making excuses for favorite players? You had four whole years to build around 29-yr old Messi after Puyol/Xavi/Neymar/Enrique. I 8-2 point it out that it did not work. Now you want to build around and pamper a 33-yr old Messi? How about you build a very good team and let Messi be the icing on the cake?

This is how Messi destabilized the Argentine national team when talent is overflowing in every region of the pitch and why Argentines have a love-hate relationship with him.

Messi winning Pichichi and assisting in the double digits against the likes of Levante is WHAT YOU EXPECT from a #10 of his caliber. Na Benzema b e mate b4?

Them give am armband, give am highest salary in all of world football, remain small them go rename stadium to Camp Leo; yet for five consecutive years dem just dey embarrass the crest of the club and he's comfortably strolling and dropping shoulder. And you guys are saying he has paid his dues; like the club hasn't also overpaid his own dues. Would Maradona, CR7, Pele, or Zidane accept that nonsense. Na him mates b that... Mk e allow 13 yr-old virgins dey confuse am with adulation.

Mk e no worry, na e legacy e dey destroy. Barcelona is all he has. If na disgrace him use tk comot, na Zidane dem go dey compare am with.

For as long as Messi has stayed, the least Barcelona deserves is him leaving the club better than he met it. Not this dumpster fire that he's engineering. Everytime Messi does not deserve this... Barcelona nko?

Seriously, nai mk me no troll una with the loss, na d club I dey pity... I mean, as a Madrid fan, I couldn't have imagined better entertainment. But it was funny the first 4 years while we had our fairytale B2B2B, now it's just sad.

-Lord

tesppidd:
Point out to me where I consoled Messi before you dragged me into this.

Oya show me the post where I talked about Messi before your post yesyerday calling me out.

Am waiting USBcable.

I realise that whenever you have nothing to say you resort to the consistent blackmail about my being a Messi fan.

Whenever you have got nothing more to say!

tesppidd:
See ehn; if I was Messi i would leave immediately.
In order not to destroy my legacy and have a chance to get more glory before I retire.

In the past 1 year he has banged goals against Liverpool, Tottenham, Man U, Sevilla, Athletico, Napoli, Inter.

So when you reference Levante, what exactly are you talking about?


Barca's over reliance on Messi could never be over emphasized. You can't pretend it doesn't exist.

But that's a story for another day.



But back to the main issue;

Am sure PSG, Man City, Juve and even Bayern would sign him immediately he declares; screaming hallelujah.

That way he makes life very easy for himself, win more accolades and probably shatters more records.

So if ddippset was Messi, I don waka be that.
If I be Messi Papa, I go even kidnap am force am to leave Barca.


But am neither Messi nor his Pops.

It is me wanting him to stay.

Because I honestly believe that despite everything Barca would be making a grave mistake letting him go now.

Messi himself wouldn't want to take the easy way out and run to another billion pound club.

He would rather sink and swim with Barca.

Such loyalty is rare, and difficult.
It's a much bigger challenge than running to Madrid when they are in form or running to Juve because you can win 10 consecutive scudettos.


Forget what the fans think, even the club and the board would die to keep Messi.

Barca is shiit right now I concede.

But Like i elaborated above, the required clear out would be too massive to do in one fell swoop.
Sure It's long overdue but better late than never!

We need a coach who can build a fresh team while still working to curb the infamous Messi-dependency.

usbcable:
Messi is doing the best he can honestly.
The challenge right now is the rest of the whole of Barcelona does not want to do anything more than Messi does.

from the pitch to off the pitch.

Messi staying should be good to help rebuild but sadly and unbelievably it is the staying that has not made the remaining 10 man on the pitch pull their weight to do what is expected of them.

The best way forward is for him to stay and the squad is given guidance and rebuilt. But how that will be done is hard to see with what is available in the team and its staff and board.

But as a rival fan I pray that challenge is never resolved

LordAdamX:
Why should a team with Dembele, Griezmann, Coutinho, FdJ, Arthur, Puig, and Fati be over-reliant on Messi?

Is that not a problem? If it's a problem, what has Messi done about it instead of establishing a Messi and Friends Old Boys Association?

You folks will be talking about the over-dependency like it started today or Messi is not directly contributing to it.

And I don't think you should be using the board as a yardstick. If Barto tells me it's about to rain, I'll carry sunglasses instead of an umbrella.

Messi is ruining his legacy and it has nothing to do with seeking a challenge. It's about responsibility. Two seasons back, I was here talking about how Messi is not a leader and it's why I don't rate him much, many cules were saying it's overrated and I'm picking on him because he's not expressive. Here we are two years later and he captained a 8-2 dismantling.

And right on cue, the Messi FC response is "he doesn't deserve this"...

This is not 1 or 2 yrs, na 5 years...

-Lord

LordAdamX:
Lyon are lucky. Pep is unlucky. But I'd always relish another Barcaverse personality having a disasterclass.

-Lord

usbcable:
Lyon were not lucky bro.

"Manchester City have played Lyon 3 times this season.Lyon beat them at the Etihad,only drew at Lyon because of a late Aguero equaliser and comprehensively destroyed them yesterday.But City lost yesterday because "Pep overthinks things." the tomfoolery on display is amazing."
---- Biola Kazeem

how on earth is that Lucky

usbcable:
Lyon were not lucky bro.

"Manchester City have played Lyon 3 times this season.Lyon beat them at the Etihad,only drew at Lyon because of a late Aguero equaliser and comprehensively destroyed them yesterday.But City lost yesterday because "Pep overthinks things." the tomfoolery on display is amazing."
---- Biola Kazeem

how on earth is that Lucky

tesppidd:
I wouldnt say lucky.

But rewatch Lyon's second goal that made it 2-1 and tell me why that goal was allowed to stand.

Even with Stevie Wonder as centre referee and a sheep in charge of the VAR room, that goal shouldn't stand.

I really don't understand how VAR works any longer.

tesppidd:
The French league and The Bundesliga have all 4 semi finalists.

They ended their leagues much earlier than the Serie A, La Liga and the EPL.

I wonder if the extra month rest benefited PSG, Leipzig and Lyon.

FergieRaww:
"VAR has been a tool" pls expatiate on this?!

was Lyon able to afford VAR that Pap wasn't able to? or was the conspiracy included in Sterling's miss to be on the conspiracy not to let Man city advance??

my guy you don't know more than the technicals in that VAR room .. so shut it!

Debroslink:
Imagine that nonsense for our no 9. All our coaches post Enrique are wussies. Like I stated earlier, I want to see the press conference of our new coach. I wan check if he'll start by licking Messi's balls.