AbdulSleeky:



You are wasting your time. Muslims like Empiree, Lanrexlan, Stalwert and Sino all support blasphemy laws.

They dont care about non muslims, especially those who are brave enough to criticise islam. If you criticise islam, you should be punished or killed.

Do you see them commenting on the blasphemy case? Never.

But when China does the same to muslims, they will be complaining.

Empiree even has the nerve to complain that Christians are bullying muslims in Migeria because of secondary school hijab and Christian programs. HOW CAN A NORMAL PERSON COMPARE BANNING HIJAB TO LOSS OF LIFE? THEY ARE ON VERY DIFFERENT SCALES.

As far as I'm concerned, majority of the regular muslim commenters here in nairaland are uneducated bigots. It is only a few moderates that are reasonable and I respect them.

Let me make it clear- IF YOU ARE A MUSLIM KEEPING QUIET ABOUT THE BLASPHEMY CASES IN NIGERIA OR YOU ARE DIRECTLY SUPPORTING THE PUNISHMENT OR DEATH SENTENCE OF NON-MUSLIMS FOR BLASPHEMY, YOU ARE A FANATICAL EXTREMIST. YOU ARE NO DIFFERENT FROM THOSE IN CHINA WHO MALTREAT AND ARREST MUSLIMS FOR PRACTICING THEIR FAITH.

This whole thing is a disgrace.

Repeating it for those at the back

He has finally embraced islam.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPSXxRfID_g

maclatunji:
Salam Alaykum,

Following the unfortunate loss of Nairaland data, it has become necessary to relaunch this thread. Once again this thread is meant for use when you are on another thread and want to raise other issues that would in all honesty derail the current thread but you do not want to create a new thread for. It may be you want to ask someone a question or raise a particular issue, get clarifications etc... kindly make use of this thread. It would be of help to moderators who would not have to bother much about derailments and it would also help you to reduce the feeling of being "gagged" when certain posts get treated as derailment.

Thank you and happy discussions.

As-salam alaykhum, brother? You should have noticed me, or rather, you may check my profile
I have always been channeling my telling Islamic write-ups here. I hope to be more beneficial. Can we exchange WhatsApp digits?

Please i need assistance in translating these names to arabic

1. Rafiu (male)
2. Latifat (Female)
3. Nafisat (Female)

Hashimyussufamao:



As-salam alaykhum, brother? You should have noticed me, or rather, you may check my profile
I have always been channeling my telling Islamic write-ups here. I hope to be more beneficial. Can we exchange WhatsApp digits?

Wa Alaykum Salam wa rahmatuLlah wa Barakatuhu.

I don't use Nairaland that much anymore. However, I see you are making some educative posts on Islam here. Please keep up the good work. You can send me a DM through Nairaland, it might take a while but I should get across to you eventually.

REJECTION OF INHERITANCE IN ISLAM

Gud eve all, What is d Islamic ruling on rejection of inheritance by a beneficiary?? though other beneficiaries claimed theirs..
The family head dat has d details of d proceeds gave this same person her share(equal to others) from d proceeds of d land sold...The family head is late now but left a video evidence of how d sharing was done in d presence of d beneficiaries and how d same person rejected hers on d ground dat she doesn't want..The family head is d only brother to d deceased dat owns d land even though it was d family head dat bought it for him with d deceased money...
D family head was d only person dat knew Abt d land before d deceased died..So he had to call his wives and children to inform them and dey decided to sell d land except d same person dat rejected d idea...
Now d children of d late family head presented d money before this same person again due to d instructions given before he died but was rejected again...
D question now is wot shud be done?
JAZZAKUM

maclatunji:


Wa Alaykum Salam wa rahmatuLlah wa Barakatuhu.

I don't use Nairaland that much anymore. However, I see you are making some educative posts on Islam here. Please keep up the good work. You can send me a DM through Nairaland, it might take a while but I should get across to you eventually.

I'm not really down with Nairaland messages, brother. But here is my WhatsApp digit: 07067797972. Will be looking forward to receiving your message.

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I think we should not share any audio until the case is totally resolved. We must take pple’s privacy and perculiar situation into consideration also level of her faith, this is a one sided story. The group needs to plan to visit the woman and probably talk to all the family members she mentioned even the pple in her child’s madrasa and possibly her former husband, We don’t know the financial capability of all these pple too. A lot of pple are really struggling.
Pls let’s keep this voice note until Risalah complete it’s investigation. Remember Muta Alfa.. the xtians can gang up and prevent access to her if they get to know our plans. They are already poisoning her mind again Islam, meanwhile they have nothing to offer her... it’s all mirage. Perhaps the so-called xtian Neighbour plotted all these predicaments just to lure her from Islam because we’ve seen cases like that before.


This is also a reminder to all of us, we must try as much as we can to guard ourselves and wards from Christians especially the so-called born agains, Almighty Allah warned us that we must not take them as our bosom friends because they are always interested in luring us away from our deen ! We will be nice to them but we must maintain that boundary between us. Almighty Allah has promised us good and bad times and He will always but us to test. Let’s surround ourselves with informed conscious Muslims and continue to build our faith too so we can remain steadfast in times of trial. I pray Almighty Allah ease our tasks and make us steadfast upon our deen. Amin


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^^^ continuation....


First all, am I allowed to forward this or pend it for now?. Second, truth must be told, her condition is not unique. It is usual story we have heard. If I understood her correctly her situation boils down to poverty. Simple and short. This is Nigeria situation. As for family member not being helpful this is not valid excuse either. We can only enjoin ourselves to be brother's keepers. I can not emphasized this enough. Also, she mentioned a close friend of hers. Pay attention to that. It is on this platform we heard about a woman tried to poison agba Alfa. I am not saying her friend hypnotized her. It is just a precaution. She also said something very important that I believe Ustaz needs to emphasize on his programs that have to do with christianity, he should play voice like this where she said she was cursed with Bible if she ever lives christianity. This obviously contradict freedom of religion they claimed to champion. You will not hear this from their mouth in public. So your question about visiting the woman, i think you guys should visit her. Give your best shot and let Allah handles the rest. There is nothing we can do if she wants to stay there. Please I want to emphasize on the curse laid on her. This aspect should be played openly on live program and similar voice notes like this. Enough is enough. Let christians hear what they do behind closed doors. The only covenant(majemu) in islam is shahada. There is no such thing as cursing someone not to leave islam if they decide to. We only give them nasiha and let them decide on their own. But this is a curse on her which probably scares her. Please this voice should be played and many like it. Christians are not your friends in Yorubaland especially. Again we will keep enjoining our brothers and sisters in islam to be brother's keepers the best way they can. But this is absolutely not excuse to leave islam. There are poor christians in Nigeria. I have met many on various nigerian platforms begging for jobs, money to pay rent, money to eat, for school fees etc. They are chased from churches because churches can not cater for them them. They will never do favor for free. This is a fact. The woman's problem is airin jin na ni airi abuke okere. So do please go ahead and visit her and give her advice. It is up to her what she wants to do. Let us know when you want to visit. Again, her case is not unique at all. Her issues with her family is not unique either. There are 2 christians on my whatsapp who embraced islam and they were kicked out of the house by parents. How many people i have to tell that?. So this woman is under the influence. It is clear she's mesmerized by material reality endowed upon her.



.....Exactly... She converted for material benefits. She didn't say anything about Islam that she disagrees with. There are people who reached out for donations like a woman few months ago and Muslims rallied around her and sent her donations. She's hijabi and she's fine. She could have simply done the same. But I dislike the idea of saying Muslims don't help one another. This is simply not true. There are Muslims doing their best out there helping others. Isn't Oriyomi hamzat out there helping people including Christians?.

She needs to provide valid reason like Islamic theology she has problem with not materials things. We also heard about Christians who pretended to embrace Islam just to collect donations from Muslims. How many of these stories we have to tell people.

^^^^


See this coward called Empiree. Of all.the issues of late this is the nonsensical one you address?

All the blasphemy rulings nko?

AbdulSleeky:
^^^^


See this coward called Empiree. Of all.the issues of late this is the nonsensical one you address?

All the blasphemy rulings nko?

admit that you didn't see my input. For the last couple of weeks i have contributed my view. There is no punishment for blasphemy as per Qur'an but I'm not arguing from religious perceptive. State has right to makes law against blasphemy which kano state did. Law is law.

Hate speech is euphemism of blasphemy all around the world. Therefore, Kano state govt was right. The punishment may be harsh. That's their prerogative. Blasphemy is hate speech. So obey the law of the land to avoid story that touch. I only frown at death sentence but I am not the judge. I am in full support of blasphemy law.

Here is American blasphemy law they termed "hate speech"


The statutes forbid communication that is hateful, threatening, or abusive, and targets a person on account of disability, ethnic or national origin, nationality (including citizenship), race, religion, sexual orientation, or skin colour. The penalties for hate speech include fines, imprisonment, or both.


America, UK, Israel, France and so on have punishment for blasphemy but they called it hate speech. So go to America and insult religious people and see what happens. You will be jailed for short term for verbal utterances. Confirmed.

If you attack religious places you will jailed for long term. They shied away from using "blasphemy" to make it less religious undertone.

Empiree:
admit that you didn't see my input. For the last couple of weeks i have contributed my view. There is no punishment for blasphemy as per Qur'an but I'm not arguing from religious perceptive. State has right to makes law against blasphemy which kano state did. Law is law.

Hate speech is euphemism of blasphemy all around the world. Therefore, Kano state govt was right. The punishment may be harsh. That's their prerogative. Blasphemy is hate speech. So obey the law of the land to avoid story that touch. I only frown at death sentence but I am not the judge. I am in full support of blasphemy law.

Here is American blasphemy law they termed "hate speech"


The statutes forbid communication that is hateful, threatening, or abusive, and targets a person on account of disability, ethnic or national origin, nationality (including citizenship), race, religion, sexual orientation, or skin colour. The penalties for hate speech include fines, imprisonment, or both.


America, UK, Israel, France and so on have punishment for blasphemy but they called it hate speech. So go to America and insult religious people and see what happens. You will be jailed for short term for verbal utterances. Confirmed.

If you attack religious places you will jailed for long term. They shied away from using "blasphemy" to make it less religious undertone.

Hate speech is now blasphemy?

When did hate speech and blasphemy become the same thing?


Why are you so dishonest?

You will soon end up like Mohammed Hijab. Driven crazy by your lies.

I pity your soul.

Why are you being dishonest?. Read their definition of hate speech I posted and stop being silly.

And in case you are confused, let me give you one more example. I believe you are aware of my posts where CAN published their book titled "65 prayer points"?. In their book, they made series of blasphemous hate speeches like calling for destruction of muslims. Killings of Muslim leaders in Nigeria and around the world. Said derogatory things about the prophet of Islam. Specifically, Muhammad had hiv and gonorrhea that's why he performed ablution. There are more in their book. These statement are costed hate crimes. Hate crime is euphemism of blasphemy.

I will not argue with you from religious view because you are obviously dishonest about it. I will argue with you from democratic perceptive.


In modern democracy, it is against the law to make statements that may cause unrest, injury or death in society. United State will jail you for it. This is what their definition states about religion. Read the attachment again. They mentioned religion.

New York law for instance makes it punishable offense to say certain things to people. It attracts 10 years in jail. You will lose everything you have if you are not US citizen you will be deported. See how serious the crime is?. This is just for utterances not physical attack. So if them born you well, go to US and say things that could cause trouble. Police would teach the fvck of you.

AbdulSleeky:


Hate speech is now blasphemy?

When did hate speech and blasphemy become the same thing?


Why are you so dishonest?

You will soon end up like Mohammed Hijab. Driven crazy by your lies.

I pity your soul.

Empiree:
Why are you being dishonest?. Read their definition of hate speech I posted and stop being silly.

And in case you are confused, let me give you one more example. I believe you are aware of my posts where CAN published their book titled "65 prayer points"?. In their book, they made series of blasphemous hate speeches like calling for destruction of muslims. Killings of Muslim leaders in Nigeria and around the world. Said derogatory things about the prophet of Islam. Specifically, Muhammad had hiv and gonorrhea that's why he performed ablution. There are more in their book. These statement are costed hate crimes. Hate crime is euphemism of blasphemy.

I will not argue with you from religious view because you are obviously dishonest about it. I will argue with you from democratic perceptive.


In modern democracy, it is against the law to make statements that may cause unrest, injury or death in society. United State will jail you for it. This is what their definition states about religion. Read the attachment again. They mentioned religion.

New York law for instance makes it punishable offense to say certain things to people. It attracts 10 years in jail. You will lose everything you have if you are not US citizen you will be deported. See how serious the crime is?. This is just for utterances not physical attack. So if them born you well, go to US and say things that could cause trouble. Police would teach the fvck of you.

Do you think that I have time for your lies?

Look, no matter how you try to twist it, BLASPHEMY AND HATE SPEECH ARE TWO VERY DIFFERENT MATTERS WHEN IT COMES TO LAWS. STOP LYING.

AbdulSleeky:



Do you think that I have time for your lies?

Look, no matter how you try to twist it, BLASPHEMY AND HATE SPEECH ARE TWO VERY DIFFERENT MATTERS WHEN IT COMES TO LAWS. STOP LYING.

it is obvious you can not help yourself. You can not defend yourself. Germany has blasphemy law against Holocaust denials.

Why did they make law to defend dead people?. Isn't there freedom of speech?.

If you deny Holocaust in Germany and 7 other european countries and Israel you get punished. So if Muslim majority region make it punishable offense to blasphemy prophet, what's up with that?.

You know what, I really want kano to extend blasphemy law to nonmuslims so they could be punished for this too. It is state law. Period. Obey the law. Law is law

Empiree:
it is obvious you can not help yourself. You can not defend yourself. Germany has blasphemy law against Holocaust denials.

Why did they make law to defend dead people?. Isn't there freedom of speech?.

If you deny Holocaust in Germany and 7 other european countries and Israel you get punished. So if Muslim majority region make it punishable offense to blasphemy prophet, what's up with that?.

You know what, I really want kano to extend blasphemy law to nonmuslims so they could be punished for this too. It is state law. Period. Obey the law. Law is law

You will end up like your brother, Mohammed Hijab- driven crazy because of lies.

Stop lying.

AbdulSleeky:



You will end up like your brother, Mohammed Hijab- driven crazy because of lies.

Stop lying.

you have no reasonable counterclaim jare. Gerrout

Empiree:
you have no reasonable counterclaim jare. Gerrout

I am not arguing with a foolish liar like you.

It is a waste of time. I await your impending implosion. Your sons and daughters will become apostates because of your lies. This is what is happening to Mohammed hijab- he is vexing because a lot of american and European muslims are leaving islam

O ti da si agidi and personal attack because you can not successfully refute my analysis between BLASPHEMY & HATE SPEECH.

Let me give you veteran educational beat down. What you don't understand is that the West is very smart. They have something called church and state after they became less religious. If you go back to at least 1800s they had blasphemy Law.

But at the onset of democracy they became less religious and adopted secularism but they still kept blasphemy law but they gave it different name to conform with secular values which is hate speech or hate crime and they dropped death sentence and replaced with fines or prison or both. If you dispute this fact, why do you think they included religion in their definition of hate crime and hate speech?.


Here is definition again


The statutes forbid communication that is hateful, threatening, or abusive, and targets a person on account of disability, ethnic or national origin, nationality (including citizenship), race, religion, sexual orientation, or skin colour. The penalties for hate speech include fines, imprisonment, or both.

Now, open your eyes and read attachments carefully. This attachments were gleaned from documents written by CAN, Christian Association Of Nigeria in 1994. These are perfect examples of hate speeches. If these documents were printed in America, they would be met with justice in fair trial. There would be hefty fines or churches would be locked down.


These are threatening messages in modern democracy that attract years behind bars, fines or close down (operation licenses revoked). But Nigeria democracy is substandard justice system. That's why they got away with it. Recall these documents were printed during Abacha regime. Abacha been a Muslim could have dealt with them but he didn't do that. This is sign of religion of peace Islam teaches. Imagine Muslims published these hate speeches?. I am sure they would say more than "islamization of Nigeria".

AbdulSleeky:



I am not arguing with a foolish liar like you.

It is a waste of time. I await your impending implosion. Your sons and daughters will become apostates because of your lies. This is what is happening to Mohammed hijab- he is vexing because a lot of american and European muslims are leaving islam

Empiree:
O ti da si agidi and personal attack because you can not successfully refute my analysis between BLASPHEMY & HATE SPEECH.

Let me give you veteran educational beat down. What you don't understand is that the West is very smart. They have something called church and state after they became less religious. If you go back to at least 1800s they had blasphemy Law.

But at the onset of democracy they became less religious and adopted secularism but they still kept blasphemy law but they gave it different name to conform with secular values which is hate speech or hate crime and they dropped death sentence and replaced with fines or prison or both. If you dispute this fact, why do you think they included religion in their definition of hate crime and hate speech?.


Here is definition again


The statutes forbid communication that is hateful, threatening, or abusive, and targets a person on account of disability, ethnic or national origin, nationality (including citizenship), race, religion, sexual orientation, or skin colour. The penalties for hate speech include fines, imprisonment, or both.

Now, open your eyes and read attachments careful. This attachments were gleaned from documents written by CAN, Christian Association Of Nigeria in 1994. These are perfect examples of hate speeches. If these documents were printed in America, they would be met with justice in fair trial. There would be hefty fines or churches would be locked down.


These are threatening messages in modern democracy that attract years behind bars, fines or close down (operation licenses revoked). But Nigeria democracy is substandard justice system. That's why they got away with it. Recall these documents were printed during Abacha regime. Abacha been a Muslim could have dealt with them but he didn't do that. This is sign of religion of peace Islam teaches. Imagine Muslims published these hate speeches?. I am sure they would say more than "islamization of Nigeria".

Nonsense of the highest order.

Your lies are why youths are leaving islam. Continue.

Any educated person knows that blasphemy and hate speech are different issues in law.

You keep repeating yourself like clock. Instead of refuting same thing, how about you refute me professionally?. I have just educated you, buddy.

AbdulSleeky:




Nonsense of the highest order.

Your lies are why youths are leaving islam. Continue.

Any educated person knows that blasphemy and hate speech are different issues in law.

Can You Prove This Wrong




THE SAD TRUTH ABOUT NIGERIANS!

I run a manufacturing business and a trading business. The biggest challenge in my manufacturing business is not power, or infrastructure, the biggest challenge is getting honest staff. Everyone we hire appears to be on a mission to steal as much as possible. Inflated invoices, recording less than the actual number of units produced. The worst part of it all is that all the fraud we've uncovered is not done by a single person, it's usually many staff who collude with each other, from production, to sales, to finance, even top management.


There was a year I overhauled management 3 times in a year. But I've found a solution sha, I now use Indian management. So competent, so honest and so straightforward. I thought they were expensive at first with all the visa fees, accommodation, house staff, but now that losses due to staff theft have been reduced to a minimum, and efficiency increased, the Indian management has turned out to be cheaper than the previous Nigerian management.


Now, all sensitive positions involving money go to Indians. Nigerians are only allowed in non-sensitive positions. I used to criticize companies like Dangote Group that hire so many Indians when there are many unemployed Nigerians, but now, I understand their decision.


My biggest challenge in the trading business is the same, getting honest staff. The form of trading occurs in the open market, and involves staff having access to huge sums of money running into a few millions. I know how much I pay to security companies to provide escorts for the staff, not to prevent robbery, but to ensure that the staff go straight to the bank to deposit the money after the day's sales and not disappear with my money. This money spent on security companies is even enough to be declared as profit. We have to spend on CCTV, biometric scanners and other things that wouldn't be needed if staff weren't looking for the slightest opportunity to steal.


It got so bad at a point that my main criteria for employing staff was no longer competency but honesty. At least, competency and skills can be learnt, but once you're dishonest, you're dishonest.


We always complain of the economy and how they're no jobs. I know people abroad who would have loved to set up job creating businesses in Nigeria but they won't because they can't get any trustworthy person to run it.

I know people in Nigeria with so much money, they want to start factories and other job-creating businesses but they can't because they are occupied elsewhere and can't get any trustworthy person to run the business. So instead of investing in the real sector and creating jobs, they'll just buy treasury bills, while the thieves are shouting no jobs.

Many big businesses would have been born in Nigeria if we could engage in partnerships, but we can't because you can't trust anyone. This is one advantage the Indians and Lebanese have over us in Nigeria. They can pull resources together and do mega-business, unlike Nigerians that because only one person must do everything since we can't partner, end up with small, tiny businesses.

Start a poultry and they will be stealing your eggs. Some will even go
ahead to be killing the chickens so that they'll be allowed to take them home.

Start an entertainment/viewing/game center and they'll be pocketing
your money. On the days you're around at the business, the money
realized will be x10 of the money realized when you're not around.
Because they're eating your money.

Lease out a vehicle to a driver to use and watch as he'll finish you.

Start a restaurant, the same thing will happen. More than half of the
total food ingredients will end up in their personal kitchens.

Even ordinary provisions shop, they will find a way to steal.

You'll see them with that their evil, wicked saying "na where person dey work, na there e dey chop, na e make dem dey callam workchop/workshop"...... Just imagine, justifying theft at work.

And you'll see these people pointing their crooked fingers at politicians when they're not any different. I usually say the reason most Nigerians haven't stolen billions of government money, is simply lack of opportunity.

Nigerians are the problem of Nigeria.

Empiree:
Can You Prove This Wrong




THE SAD TRUTH ABOUT NIGERIANS!

I run a manufacturing business and a trading business. The biggest challenge in my manufacturing business is not power, or infrastructure, the biggest challenge is getting honest staff. Everyone we hire appears to be on a mission to steal as much as possible. Inflated invoices, recording less than the actual number of units produced. The worst part of it all is that all the fraud we've uncovered is not done by a single person, it's usually many staff who collude with each other, from production, to sales, to finance, even top management.


There was a year I overhauled management 3 times in a year. But I've found a solution sha, I now use Indian management. So competent, so honest and so straightforward. I thought they were expensive at first with all the visa fees, accommodation, house staff, but now that losses due to staff theft have been reduced to a minimum, and efficiency increased, the Indian management has turned out to be cheaper than the previous Nigerian management.


Now, all sensitive positions involving money go to Indians. Nigerians are only allowed in non-sensitive positions. I used to criticize companies like Dangote Group that hire so many Indians when there are many unemployed Nigerians, but now, I understand their decision.


My biggest challenge in the trading business is the same, getting honest staff. The form of trading occurs in the open market, and involves staff having access to huge sums of money running into a few millions. I know how much I pay to security companies to provide escorts for the staff, not to prevent robbery, but to ensure that the staff go straight to the bank to deposit the money after the day's sales and not disappear with my money. This money spent on security companies is even enough to be declared as profit. We have to spend on CCTV, biometric scanners and other things that wouldn't be needed if staff weren't looking for the slightest opportunity to steal.


It got so bad at a point that my main criteria for employing staff was no longer competency but honesty. At least, competency and skills can be learnt, but once you're dishonest, you're dishonest.


We always complain of the economy and how they're no jobs. I know people abroad who would have loved to set up job creating businesses in Nigeria but they won't because they can't get any trustworthy person to run it.

I know people in Nigeria with so much money, they want to start factories and other job-creating businesses but they can't because they are occupied elsewhere and can't get any trustworthy person to run the business. So instead of investing in the real sector and creating jobs, they'll just buy treasury bills, while the thieves are shouting no jobs.

Many big businesses would have been born in Nigeria if we could engage in partnerships, but we can't because you can't trust anyone. This is one advantage the Indians and Lebanese have over us in Nigeria. They can pull resources together and do mega-business, unlike Nigerians that because only one person must do everything since we can't partner, end up with small, tiny businesses.

Start a poultry and they will be stealing your eggs. Some will even go
ahead to be killing the chickens so that they'll be allowed to take them home.

Start an entertainment/viewing/game center and they'll be pocketing
your money. On the days you're around at the business, the money
realized will be x10 of the money realized when you're not around.
Because they're eating your money.

Lease out a vehicle to a driver to use and watch as he'll finish you.

Start a restaurant, the same thing will happen. More than half of the
total food ingredients will end up in their personal kitchens.

Even ordinary provisions shop, they will find a way to steal.

You'll see them with that their evil, wicked saying "na where person dey work, na there e dey chop, na e make dem dey callam workchop/workshop"...... Just imagine, justifying theft at work.

And you'll see these people pointing their crooked fingers at politicians when they're not any different. I usually say the reason most Nigerians haven't stolen billions of government money, is simply lack of opportunity.

Nigerians are the problem of Nigeria.

Many of those corrupt Nigerians are christians and muslims.

It seems religion does not necessarily stop corruption

I honestly wonder too. It is crazy. This is why I support religious Laws. They have been so hypocritical. They are so religious and believe in the Books but adopted democratic system. It is not gonna werk

AbdulSleeky:




Many of those corrupt Nigerians are christians and muslims.

It seems religion does not necessarily stop corruption

AbdulSleeky:
Emp.iree,

You support blasphemy laws. You believe that people should be sentenced to death for insulting islam.

But like the hypocrite you are, you insult Jesus, who is both a prophet in Islam and christianity.

By your own beliefs, you should be put to death.

Lanrexlan, Sino, stalwert, antichristian, rilwayne001 please come and kill your muslim brother Empiree since you all believe in blasphemy laws

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cc lordreed, saucyxo

You are still on this?. I know it pains you. Do you know that it is atheists that actually put that up on the internet?. And Christians themselves crafted blasphemous images of Jesus. By default Christians and some atheists are guilty?.

And please quote me where I said the guy should be killed for blasphemy?. I said I support blasphemy law. Judgement derives from it is up to the govt. What's wrong with you?

Empiree:
You are still on this?. I know it pains you. Do you know that it is atheists that actually put that up on the internet?. And Christians themselves crafted blasphemous images of Jesus. By default Christians and some atheists are guilty?.

And please quote me where I said the guy should be killed for blasphemy?. I said I support blasphemy law. Judgement derives from it is up to the govt. What's wrong with you?

You support blasphemy law that clearly states that the punishment for blasphemy is death but you dont want blasphemers killed?

Why are you lying and contradicting yourself?


Also, why did you insult Jesus? By your own reasoning, you should be killed!

Lanrexlan, Sino, stalwert, antichristian, rilwayne001 please come and kill your muslim brother Empiree since you all believe in blasphemy laws

AbdulSleeky:





You support blasphemy law that clearly states that the punishment for blasphemy is death but you dont want blasphemers killed?

Why are you lying and contradicting yourself?


Also, why did you insult Jesus? By your own reasoning, you should be killed!

You don't understand how law works. If law says someone is charged for blasphemy and it says death is the punishment , it doesn't mean the person will be killed. Govt lawyer must prove beyond reasonable doubt and defense lawyer must also prove he did not commit the crime exactly as described. If found guilty but not exactly as described by law, punishment may be less. For example, if you are charged for manslaughter, this crime is imprisonment for life. But your attorney may argue that it was involuntary which may reduce your jail term to around 12 months and probation. You see the gap?. Plus appeal is another option where attorney pleads for leniency.

Empiree:
You don't understand how law works. If law says someone is charged for blasphemy and it says death is the punishment , it doesn't mean the person will be killed. Govt lawyer must prove beyond reasonable doubt and defense lawyer must also prove he did not commit the crime exactly as described. If found guilty but not exactly as described by law, punishment may be less. For example, if you are charged for manslaughter, this crime is imprisonment for life. But your attorney may argue that it was involuntary which may reduce your jail term to around 12 months and probation. You see the gap?. Plus appel is another option where attorney pleads for leniency.

What a foolish understanding of the law.

If the sentence is mandatory, then it is inevitable that you will receive the punishment if found guilty.

If stealing is 1-5 years in prison, and you are guilty of stealing, you will be handed that 1-5 year prison sentence.

You can only appeal if you are not guilty.



This is besides the point that blasphemy laws are barbaric and foolish.

It is besides the point that you should be arrested and killed, by your own beliefs, for insulting Jesus.

Lanrexlan, Sino, stalwert, antichristian, rilwayne001 please come and kill your muslim brother Empiree since you all believe in blasphemy laws

AbdulSleeky:





What a foolish understanding of the law.

If the sentence is mandatory, then it is inevitable that you will receive the punishment if found guilty.

If stealing is 1-5 years in prison, and you are guilty of stealing, you will be handed that 1-5 year prison sentence.

You can only appeal if you are not guilty.

You don't understand anything. I thought you were brilliant. If you can only appeal bcuz you are not guilty, how about many people found guilty and they appealed and their sentence reduced?. You never heard of this?.

I will give you one example. In New York few years ago, Indian guy who is a student with Green Card or permanent resident was found guilty of utterances against autistic friend. His friend committed suicide because of that. Note that he didn't touch his autistic patient. He only said words jokingly to him.

In America, if you are Green Card holder and you commit a crime that attracts 10 yrs in jail, you will served jail term and be deported which means you lose your green card. So the guy was jailed.

His lawyer appealed and there was outcries from masses to forgive him. His case was retried and he was sentenced to time served which was about 2yrs. They did this to save his green card status.

This is besides the point that blasphemy laws are barbaric and foolish.

Germany has Holocaust denial law. What's the difference?