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Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by onegig(m): 11:28pm On Jul 07, 2014 |
tbaba1234:Hmmm. Ok o. Let me see what i can do. This isn't right. I don't understand why Seun has to cower to bullies and extremists. It's very evident from the traditional religionist threads that have hit frontpage in the past and the response on those threads by these same set of extremists that muslims are never the problem neither are "true christains". Because i have many friends from the opposite religion and I have never seen them stifle freedom of speech and run over people with different beliefs with such hateful words and venom. Just check those threads and see the bitterness and name calling from people who call themselves children of God. For any right thinking site owner. He needs to understand that such perpetrators are just a segment of forumites whom we can term as extremists or weeds he needs to exterminate. Do we have to hide everyother religion just because a disgruntled section of people can't just get their acts right? Or do we just settle or throw our freedom of association into the bin just because some people would always type rubbish on threads that hit frontpage? Is banning such people from such sections not enough? Why the widespread discrimination that i as a muslim can't even read topics from this section on the front page? One thing is sure about any successful administrator. You always set the rules for fair play. You don't cower to terrorists and extremists. In this case I am afraid Seun is allowing yabaleft candidates to set rules for him. 7 Likes |
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by maclatunji: 12:20am On Jul 08, 2014 |
^You know the problem? Too many Muslims are too carefree. Perhaps, maclatunji has been "overefficient", Seun disrespects our entire comminity and many people just act like it is okay. You do not succumb to blackmail, there are lots of lawful ways to address this injustice but if more Muslims do not take action, things will remain like this. I say this with all humility that I know the struggles and inconveniences that I have faced over demanding fairness for this section for years. It is up to the Muslim community on Nairaland to prove that this issue is recognised and rejected as a collective insult by Seun and it is not "maclatunji" blowing things out of proportion. |
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by onegig(m): 12:40am On Jul 08, 2014 |
maclatunji: ^You know the problem? Too many Muslims are too carefree. Perhaps, maclatunji has been "overefficient", Seun disrespects our entire comminity and many people just act like it is okay.I do agree many have been docile and don't just want to be bothered. I am just bothered that he couldn't just find a way out of all these issues except to carry out such drastic and inconsiderate act. I wonder why he hasn't also canceled out the politics section from reaching the frontpage (oh i forgot he has started "balancing" the equation in that section by posting threads to the fp even if it meant peddling falsehood just to have equal representation of both the people in power and the opposition). I don't like confrontations before issues are solved. I believe we are humans and should be able to talk over issues and reach a compromise with each party respecting the other, but if it's only "noise" he listens to before taking action, then we would generate that noise for him. |
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by onegig(m): 12:42am On Jul 08, 2014 |
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Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by maclatunji: 12:52am On Jul 08, 2014 |
onegig: I do agree many have been docile and don't just want to be bothered. If you want to achieve anything worthy of recognition with human beings, you are going to have to master the art of confrontation because 99% of the time, people will refuse to do the right thing for varying reasons. |
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by tbaba1234: 12:53am On Jul 08, 2014 |
maclatunji: ^You know the problem? Too many Muslims are too carefree. Perhaps, maclatunji has been "overefficient", Seun disrespects our entire comminity and many people just act like it is okay. We need to take a stand on some issues. We are trampled upon because we have not really organised and are docile. Many will say, let it rest. Leave it alone. I see threads on FP that are meant to attract the haters and abuse will be rained on islam, yet threads that have a more positive message are banned. I really wish we can all come together and focus on this thing but where are the muslims? |
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by onegig(m): 5:29am On Jul 08, 2014 |
maclatunji:I know but maybe its me. Seems i tend to expect some level of responsibility from people who are in positions. I don't think we have to tickle his conscience before he does what is right. |
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by onegig(m): 5:40am On Jul 08, 2014 |
tbaba1234:The muslims are there. Most just get disinterested when the people who lead such threads don't coordinate things well and speak clearly about what the needs and what the required steps they want implemented. Or most times they have too many other unneeded baggages that doesn't really pertain to the topic of discussion. |
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Sissie(f): 7:05am On Jul 08, 2014 |
Obviously creating a thread and calling Seun out won't work, so what can be done? |
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by onegig(m): 7:37am On Jul 08, 2014 |
Sissie: Obviously creating a thread and calling Seun out won't work, so what can be done?lol. Lets go on and give an ultimatum, create a "occupyNairaland thread"or bringbackourgirls styled movement and also march on the streets of Lagos and Abuja. Lol. Just kidding. All we need is diplomacy and a clear cut message on what our needs and wants are. There's no way we won't open a thread but this time we don't need to be confrontational. Just state the facts and let the people be the judge. |
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Empiree: 7:50am On Jul 08, 2014 |
Sissie: Haq, those ahadith simply indicate it's neither mandatory to offer taraweeh in jummah. You know, early Ulama did good job by reasoning. At the time of the Prophet(S), Muslims are not over 1bn. I believe that it's important to pray in jummah for awareness purposes. Folks also have option of praying taraweeh solo. It's actually needed in this modern times to bring muslims together. So Tbaba/Baqir are correct really. I trust Baqir, he can write 5 paragraphs per reply. He probably talks a lot in real world . Correct Baqir? |
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Sissie(f): 7:56am On Jul 08, 2014 |
onegig: lol. Lets go on and give an ultimatum, create a "occupyNairaland thread"or bringbackourgirls styled movement and also march on the streets of Lagos and Abuja. Lol. Just kidding. Do you think diplomacy will work with Seun? You are giving him too much credit. |
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by tbaba1234: 7:59am On Jul 08, 2014 |
Sissie: Obviously creating a thread and calling Seun out won't work, so what can be done? Well, that achieved some results, we went from full ban to partial ban. |
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Sissie(f): 8:01am On Jul 08, 2014 |
tbaba1234: Well true. |
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Sissie(f): 8:04am On Jul 08, 2014 |
Empiree: True the main point is its optional. |
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by tbaba1234: 8:06am On Jul 08, 2014 |
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Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by onegig(m): 8:12am On Jul 08, 2014 |
Sissie:That's the first point of call. I know how very unreasonable and illogical he can be. But we can always give it a try. His counter claims if any cannot be justified. |
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by tbaba1234: 8:13am On Jul 08, 2014 |
onegig: That's the first point of call. I know how very unreasonable and illogical he can be. But we can always give it a try. His counter claims if any cannot be justified. Diplomacy only works if there is an avenue for it. We were diplomatic the last time |
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by AlBaqir(m): 8:25am On Jul 08, 2014 |
Empiree: First, I do not oppose "taraweeh" what I vehemently oppose is the claim that its a sunnah established by the holy prophet (saws). And empty claim that it is better to offer it in Jama'a (congregation) than Furada (alone). The hadith posted are very clear. Prophet ordered them to go and pray it at home which is better. Besides, what prophet used to pray was Tahajjud (Ramadhan or not Ramadhan) and that was what he feared it might become obligatory upon his Ummah had it continue in Jama'a led by him. Remember Tahajjud was made obligatory on him (saws). Taraweeh is usually prayed after salat Ishai while Tahajjud is a Late night or middle of the night prayer. Some scholars tried to play smart by saying both are the same. It is left for them to bring a single hadith which prove prophet did pray an 8 or 10 or 20 rakat after salat Ishai. Little wonder why tbaba fell for the dubious translation of "Qiyam" to "Taraweeh". Umar ibn khattab laid the foundation of "taraweeh" in Jama'a and he himself called it a good Bid'ah Not Sunnah of Muhammad. Again I did not oppose Taraweeh. To me its just a nawafil if you perform, you might be rewarded and if you don't, absolutely no sin. Empiree: I talk only when its necessary esp religious. Talking too much devoid wisdom and you commit sins easily. The more I studied various opinions the more I write to present, and counter or balance different opinion. |
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by onegig(m): 8:33am On Jul 08, 2014 |
^^ and just like he predicted you just typed five paragraphs. 1 Like |
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by AlBaqir(m): 10:05am On Jul 08, 2014 |
onegig: ^^ and just like he predicted you just typed five paragraphs. More than 5 though. Its a free world! Those who have passion for reading will read and those who doesn't will not. Religious issues is dead serious to me so I always try my best to express myself in clear statements. Whatever I say could be proof against me on the day of judgment. |
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by onegig(m): 11:15am On Jul 08, 2014 |
AlBaqir:Add these two and you got like 10 already. Lol! Just taunting you! |
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by kazlaw2000: 3:18pm On Jul 08, 2014 |
tbaba1234: You do not expect me to read that.No sir. Its not a Shia position. Its a valid scholarly opinion. |
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by tbaba1234: 3:41pm On Jul 08, 2014 |
kazlaw2000: That taraweeh in jama'ah is bidah?? That, my friend is a shia position. The issue of differences of opinion was also talked about in the article posted. |
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by AlBaqir(m): 4:27pm On Jul 08, 2014 |
tbaba1234: YES it is. "...what a good BID'AH" Umar said. Recorded by Bukhari. It is not shi'a opinion. It is Umar's sincere proclamation. |
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by onegig(m): 5:53pm On Jul 08, 2014 |
tbaba1234:Ok. Maybe i give up then. What else can we do then? |
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Kunlexic(m): 5:52am On Jul 09, 2014 |
Asalam-alaikun my brothers,pls which site is the best to download islamic books and receive islamic education online? |
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by tbaba1234: 7:37am On Jul 09, 2014 |
Ibn al-Qayyim said: “Rushing towards Allāh and depending on Him, being pleased with Him, filling the heart with love of Him, constantly remembering Him, feeling happiness and joy with knowing Him – all of these are instantaneous rewards, a paradise of this world, and a life that the lives of kings cannot even compare to. I heard Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyyah (may Allāh have Mercy on him) say: 'Indeed, there is a paradise in this world. Whoever doesn’t enter it will not enter the Paradise of the Hereafter.'" Just Apt and so true. |
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by tbaba1234: 7:53am On Jul 09, 2014 |
Kunlexic: Asalam-alaikun my brothers,pls which site is the best to download islamic books and receive islamic education online? Islamic books: http://www.kalamullah.com/ Islamic Education: http://islamiconlineuniversity.com/ |
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Kunlexic(m): 8:02am On Jul 09, 2014 |
tbaba1234:thanks sir,Allah bless u. |
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by tbaba1234: 8:04am On Jul 09, 2014 |
Kunlexic: thanks sir,Allah bless u. You too, bro. Assalamu aleikum |
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by reedbam: 11:49am On Jul 09, 2014 |
tbaba1234:jazakhallahu khayran. This is the consensus of most ustadh's opinion I have sought. |
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