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femmy2010:
Catholic Church , Baptist Church , Apostolic Church ,Foursquare Church, Seventh Day Adventist Chruch ,NASFAT,NASFAT, QUAREB, etc are not complaining.
Why is it that only those that looks like a one man business are complaining?

The churches mentioned above already have well laid down structures of financial accountability where some of them even do AGM where financial statements are rendered before their members [Foursquare, Baptist do this].

Most other churches where the founders are still alive don't want to do this

CodeTemplar:
Funds are not collected but donated willingly. The donors are continually donating knowing what the funds are used for so what is the role of an uninvited third party - the government?

If you understand the issue of money laundry well, you would not drop that comment .

Offpoint:
Dude I was referring to my own church that's why I ended my statement with "I don't know about other churches"

Where anyone get their money to purchase whatever is non of my business.

Precisely, nobody on earth receives gifts more than pastors.

ok,
Nor be just your church the op dey refer to either.
He was referring to the whole churches in general, especially that of Bishop T. D Jakes
Sorry, Bishop David Oyedepo

Lol atheists have seen food

Christianvoice:
You want a secular Minister of Trade and Investment to oversee the church in your comment?

Churches should be able to account for how money is spent. Why do you think they should be allowed to operate without supervision?

Read your Bible very well you will discover that the issue of CAMA law anywhere is Satanic. Aaron was a high priests with his children working at the temple. Eli was a high and his children working at the temple. Samuel was a high priests with his children working at the temple. John the Baptist was a son of Zachariah the high priest. So spiritual positions or transition is a family matter. If I am pastor my wife or son could be an assistant

If the church is not a den of thieves then it should not worry about CAMA.

Openbusiness:
The Church is not a den of thieves. What did they steal from you, tell us? Did they take your freedoms, did they take away your rights, did they steal money from your pockets, did they forcefully tax you, did they embezzle your national wealth and resources? So tell us, in what way are they a den of thieves?

Dmeji4444:
If you understand the issue of money laundry well, you would not drop that comment .

stop telling ambiguous lies.

The government have no right of course but when it comes to church matters, let God be the judge.

Goke7:
The churches mentioned above already have well laid down structures of financial accountability where some of them even do AGM where financial statements are rendered before their members [Foursquare, Baptist do this].

Most other churches where the founders are still alive don't want to do this

They are members of CAN. If CAN complaints all churches are complaining. Mind you, church is a single entity. If CAN complaints which represents the church (all churches) The Baptist Church, etc don't need to say anything. Oyedepo reacted because he is like a spiritual father of the church in Nigeria

Afolabimills:
is the govt appoint pastors for the church or imam for the mosque?

If you put yourself under the authority of the state, they can lead your praise worship if they want to.

donnie:
Churches should be able to account for how money is spent. Why do you think they should be allowed to operate without supervision?

It is wrong. It is coming to ask how my business or family is being run. It is against freedom of human rights. Is government account for how our tax payers money are being run? Church is non-profit organization because the church doesn't force people to give.

princeSammyz:
I think from what I read about the law, it allows government to appoint an Interim management at times it deem necessary so as to probe the activities of the church, and of course every other org in same category. I wonder why we should be so worried if things are all going right with the running of these org before the new CAMA. Maybe I am missing something. Someone should enlighten us please on exactly how the new CAMA could make things grossly different in such a way that it will inhibit the spiritual duties of the church. I do not like to rush in condemning a thing before i fully understand its motive, more so that similar laws are obtainable elsewhere. Maybe someone should put light on the motive or as the church would like to say, the interest, of the government with this law and why a spiritual body should be exempted. The comments so far have not addressed that.

CAMA states that the board of church trustees can be suspended or abolish by a sitting Minister of Nigeria without recourse to court. That means Alhaji Aboki Mallam who is a minister can now come and suspend or dismiss church leadership, and nobody can go to Court to challenge it. It does not work that way.

Christianvoice:
They are members of CAN. If CAN complaints all churches are complaining. Mind you, church is a single entity. If CAN complaints which represents the church (all churches) The Baptist Church, etc don't need to say anything. Oyedepo reacted because he is like a spiritual father of the church in Nigeria

Sorry, by what token is Oyedepo a spiritual father of the Nigerian church? Is it longevity, church size or number of search entries in Google? Who told you that the fathers of the Nigerian church are known to the general public?

Christianvoice:
They should go ahead with the Mosques and leave the church alone. What has Islam in Nigeria contributed to the Nation apart from terrorism. Churches built schools across the nations for all. During the recent lockdown how mosques donated for government. The church is well organized than mosques

You can never compare the organization of the churches with that of the mosques. They are not the same. It's not for anything other than fundamental issues.

Christians pay tithe which, no doubt, is huge but it is used for establishments of schools, hospitals, universities, polytechnics, businesses, employment, taxes to government, and affluence, etc.

Muslims pay Zakat which is different in principle, application and practice from tithe. They are not the same in all ramifications.

Therefore, this is a war against Christians and Christianity and it must be resisted.

Goke7:
The churches mentioned above already have well laid down structures of financial accountability where some of them even do AGM where financial statements are rendered before their members [Foursquare, Baptist do this].

Most other churches where the founders are still alive don't want to do this

They fall under the umbrella of CAN. So they don't need to complain

Offpoint:
Do you want them to trek to America?

The leader of the biggest church with total asset of over $100 billion does not have a private jet.

The leader of Church of Latter Days Saints with total asset of over $67 billion does not have a private jet.

These men are also not the richest men of God in the world, but the richest men of God are in Nigeria.

There is a difference between what the church owns and what the Pastor owns, that is what is lacking here. No corporate governance code

robosky02:
I agree with you into to


See the under tune of all this is

To target the vocal Christian leaders and fathers blackmail them

And remove them so they can islamized the country

And same vocal christian leaders brought this government to power. Islamize this and that have they islamized you since you started blackmailing the government from 2015?

Tareq1105:
You can never compare the organization of the churches with that of the mosques. They are not the same. It's not for anything other than fundamental issues.

Christians pay tithe which, no doubt, is huge but it is used for establishments of schools, hospitals, universities, polytechnics, businesses, employment, taxes to government, and affluence, etc.

Muslims pay Zakat which is different in principle, application and practice from tithe. They are not the same in all ramifications.

Therefore, this is a war against Christians and Christianity and it must be resisted.

All those things you mentioned are for-profit institutions and so should not be counted.

chiteny:
So much sentimentalism and sensationalism around religiosity and religion.

The video speaks volume but of course religious folks will not even take anything out of it even if they listen to the entire 1hr plus video.

Its simple. The so called "churches" are registered under Federal Government of Nigeria under CAMA as companies, probably NGO or charity organisations for which many claim they are not charity organisations when it comes to assisting even their own members; not to talk of those not their members. If the FGN decides to regulate the activities of these companies for better transparency i see no issues. Personally, the only issue i see is the clause "without recourse to court" which is quite draconian. But setting up committees to oversee the affairs of these company is welcome.

Again this act will absolutely not affect the church. Many mistake the church with the company (which has a name and many branches). Christians have spent too much time building companies rather than The Church. So we now confuse company with church. You cannot imagine the scale of corruption that will be exposed should this law take full effect; i believe this is what the MOG's are fighting against.

My 50cents.

The main issue here is government interfering with church leadership. Mallam Aboki who is a minister of Nigeria has power to suspend or dismiss church leadership and nobody can challenge it in court. This is a war against the church.

Christianvoice:
You want a secular Minister of Trade and Investment to oversee the church in your comment?

don't mind them. These joker of a crooks are not the first in history to try to subdue the Church and they won't be the last. Throughout history, any government or rulers that came against the Church always failed eventually, always got erased by the divine government that rules the affairs of men. What's the worst they can do that has not been done before? Hundreds of millions of Christians have been massacred, Churches have been outlawed, preachers and pastors have been murdered in the most gruesome ways, Church buildings have been sank to the ground, burnt and bombed to dust, the most cruel acts have been done against the Church, but here they are today, still standing, bigger, better, richer, and well off in every single way. Where are those Emperors and their Roman empires, where are the Greeks and the Persians, where are the Pharaohs and their lofty paradises? They are nothing but a bad memory, a forgotten dream, and the dusty history books nobody wants to read. Failures! The Church is the light of this world, a light nobody, no bastard government can quench. They are welcome to try. I double dare them. In fact if they don't start crucifying pastors, and outlawing churches and enslaving Christians, they are bastards. We are not afraid of their father the Devil, na this useless jokers go come move us? They should hurry and implement their wicked laws fast fast, let's see what will be the outcome to their government. Did they think the Bible was making jokes and fooling around, do they think Jesus is a comedian doing stand up comedy when he said himself:
"New International Version:
Jesus looked directly at them and asked, "Then what is the meaning of that which is written: "'The stone the builders rejected has become the cornerstone'? Everyone who falls on that stone will be broken to pieces; anyone on whom it falls will be crushed."

BreconHills:
Sorry, by what token is Oyedepo a spiritual father of the Nigerian church? Is it longevity, church size or number of search entries in Google? Who told you that the fathers of the Nigerian church are known to the general public?

If your hatred does not see that he is a spiritual father, it is your business. All I want to tell you is that Baptist Church, Catholic Church, Christ Apostolic church are under the umbrella of CAN. So if CAN has rejected your Islamic CAMA law don't need to comment. CAN represents all churches and Christians if they say no to CAMA law it is no to all. What's your business with the church? When you cannot address a single religious crisis in Nigeria you want to come and scatter the church

Christianvoice:
They are members of CAN. If CAN complaints all churches are complaining. Mind you, church is a single entity. If CAN complaints which represents the church (all churches) The Baptist Church, etc don't need to say anything. Oyedepo reacted because he is like a spiritual father of the church in Nigeria

Says who, he is not the spiritual father of my denomination.

emmanuelewumi:
Charitable organizations and NGOs have the option of deregistering.

Accountability and corporate governance is alien to us and it needs to start from somewhere.

Religious organizations ought to be the light of the world and they have to let the light shine.

Churches in Nigeria with affiliation with the West don't issues with this, because this is what they have been doing for ages, some of the will produce their audited accounts for the past 30 years

I told u before ....auditing church account isn’t a problem....the church collects money...it’s not a crime and there’s no limit to what they can collect as gift...the uk audited winners in 2019 when some people lied that the church Moved 200miliion pounds to Nigeria.... unfortunately it was the other way round.... the Nigerian church was paying salary and investing in the uk mission from Nigeria ....again...auditing is not the issue


the problem the church has with the law is that the clause that the “ appointed governmental head can make an [b]unchallengable decision [/b]over the affairs the church..... that isn’t done anywhere in the world....the clause is ludicrous..
It smells of a hidden agenda and an opportunity to weaponize it against any organization.....

. if U don’t see it that way then I think you are being biased becos even the president’s ruling is challengable....

Tell1234:
church system is light years ahead of any government system and when you talk of accountability and transparency in financing and reporting the church have shown more integrity than this abrakadabra government where loots are been recovered in billions and re- looted by same government.
The end game is to start taxing the religious bodies to support their wasteful life style.

And after looting they government officials still donate millions from the loot in those churches. Now why is the church not rejecting them? How can a house of rep member donate #200 Million towards a church building project and the church says nothing. They are simply part of the corruption in this country.

Openbusiness:
don't mind them. These joker of a crooks are not the first in history to try to subdue the Church and they won't be the last. Throughout history, any government or rulers that came against the Church always failed eventually, always got erased by the divine government that rules the affairs of men. What's the worst they can do that has not been done before? Hundreds of thousands of Christians have been massacred, Churches have been outlawed, preachers and pastors have been murdered in the most gruesome ways, Church buildings have been sank to the ground, burnt and bombed to dust, the most cruel acts have been done against the Church, but here they are today, still standing, bigger, better, richer, and well off in every single way. Where are those Emperors and their Roman empires, where are the Greeks and the Persians, where are the Pharaohs and their lofty paradises? They are nothing but a bad memory, a forgotten dream, and the dusty history books nobody wants to read. Failures! The Church is the light of this world, a light nobody, no bastard government can quench. They are welcome to try. I double date them. In fact if they don't start crucifying pastors, and outlawing churches and enslaving Christians, they are bastards. We are not afraid of their father the Devil, na this useless jokers go come move us? They should hurry and implement their wicked laws fast fast, let's see what will be the outcome to their government. Did they think the Bible was making jokes and fooling around, do they think Jesus is a comedian doing stand up comedy when he said himself:
"New International Version:
Jesus looked directly at them and asked, "Then what is the meaning of that which is written: "'The stone the builders rejected has become the cornerstone'? Everyone who falls on that stone will be broken to pieces; anyone on whom it falls will be crushed."

Thanks sir. More grace

phemmie06:
I really love your summation. But could you please tell me or give me the breakdown of the financial report of CBN, the recent Abatcha loot that was received, even Oando result. Thanks

This is serious ..... comparing the activities of a government to a private business?.......

There are difference between government fund and church funds, all the basic amenities still in place today were provided by the government, the road you travel on etc

The issue here is collecting money from vulnerable people that you were suppose to provide for and enriching yourself with.....it's a curse already.....

It's even understandable that people in government are stealing but justifying stealing from the poor means you are a demon and heartless, no wonder crimes are on the increase.

By the way the church is supposed to check make the politicians stealing and discourage them but instead they are supporting and encouraging them at the detriment of the masses.......this is so sad

1StopRudeness:
I told u before ....auditing church account isn’t a problem....the church collects money...it’s not a crime and there’s no limit to what they can collect as gift...the uk audited winners in 2019 when some people lied that the church Moved 200miliion pounds to Nigeria.... unfortunately it was the other way round.... the Nigerian church was paying salary and investing in the uk mission from Nigeria ....again...auditing is not the issue


the problem the church has with the law is that the clause that the “ appointed governmental head can make an [b]unchallengable decision [/b]over the affairs the church..... that isn’t done anywhere in the world....the clause is ludicrous..
It smells of a hidden agenda and an opportunity to weaponize it against any organization.....

. if U don’t see it that way then I think you are being biased becos even the president’s ruling is challengable....

Nobody will remove anybody without a reason.

Even in the UK where interim management were appointed by the government, they were only in charge of the management, the board of trustees was still in charge of spiritual affairs

SUPERPACK:
And after looting they government officials still donate millions from the loot in those churches. Now why is the church not rejecting them? How can a house of rep member donate #200 Million towards a church building project and the church says nothing. They are simply part of the corruption in this country.

What is the name of rep member that donated 200 million to the church? Pls mention his name. We need facts.

Christianvoice:
It is wrong. It is coming to ask how my business or family is being run. It is against freedom of human rights. Is government account for how our tax payers money are being run? Church is non-profit organization because the church doesn't force people to give.

So non-profits should be allowed to run without supervision?

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helinues:
If the churches are not ready to abide by the law of the land, they should be deregistered

[/s] trash as usual

Christianvoice:
It is wrong. It is coming to ask how my business or family is being run. It is against freedom of human rights. Is government account for how our tax payers money are being run? Church is non-profit organization because the church doesn't force people to give.

All this people talking are not seeing the implication of the law as a whole....all they see is church has money...and they don’t like it.....

Nobody’s decision should be final... that’s why there’s a court ...a court’s decision can even challenged at the apex court....