kingxsamz:


After you have failed woefully, you're now looking for excuses.
Chai. You should hide in shame.
Maybe you're having comprehension issues that you can't see there's no difference between "prove your god is the real god", and "prove your god is real", since you claim there is only one god.
Even your god would be ashamed if he was real.

I can not fail an exam I did not write!

sonmvayina:


See a psychiatrist..

you could not proceed.

sonmvayina:


So tell me.. What is the purpose of the devil?

what are you specifically looking for? For now you have introduced another matter of he who is always evil.

Dtruthspeaker:


The topic is dead already so you can proceed with your criticism.

Here is the short version. If God truly only wanted unconditional servants, he wouldn't had bothered with freewill in the first place.

It is unreasonable and wickedness to play a game calling on fellow servants to command their Master/Boss to do their will.

You would be bringing destruction upon that foolish servant who heeds that call.

Imagine an army recruit telling his Colonel to dance in the market for him and his fellow recruits to see, what do you think shall happen to that recruit and he who counseled him?

Only someone who's petty would take offense from such. I don't expect the self proclaimed wise, intelligent, powerful and loving-merciful deity would lower themselves to the level of human emotions.

None! For this is a very Foolish Challenge that no good person would have raised up only an unruly rebel would think it valid!

My contribution is that Commodities in a carton can not affect or change the environment outside the carton like phones, laptops, tablets etc

And humans are the Commodity while this world is our carton.

This is an ungainful and foolish enterprise!

So basically it's not possible for you to positively prove the existence or superiority of your God over the Gods of the other faiths.

Image123:


In dogland, a local dog is furiously demanding that Donald Trump show up to answer for allegations. Clowns don't determine my actions and schedule. Elijah makes the terms when God says, i know who i am. You and your confused audience can enjoy your 24hr delusion.

Elijah didn't just make terms without a purpose, a situation demanding urgent attention led to the event!
Just say you don't know anything about your God except what your Pastors told you.
Note that throughout my post i never quote any book, i went straight to logical reasoning that can't be found anywhere neither in the Bible, in the Qur'an nor any religious book for that matter!

Simple quote "i made good use of what i have gathered so far in the personal relationship with my own God"

So it's only when you asked me how i came up with such indisputable logic that i'll now take you to my God through the process i followed.

But once you said you're OK with your God, then the case is settled because i'm also OK with mine!

IMAliyu:

Here is the short version. If God truly only wanted unconditional servants, he wouldn't had bothered with freewill in the first place.

That is the way of the thinking of man but not the Lord.

For the Good Lord knows that that there Should Be and There is GREAT REWARD for his Servants who could have chosen not to do His Will as they had power BUT THEY CHOSE TO EXERCISE THAT POWER, TO DO HIS WILL!

OH! HOW PLEASED THE LORD WHEN HE FINDETH SUCH A ONE THAT CHOSE TO DO HIS WILL. OH, WHAT GREAT LOVE SHALL BE BETWEEN THEM!

AND

AND OH, HOW DISPLEASED THE LORD SHALL BE WHEN HE FINDETH SUCH A ONE THAT DID NOT CARE TO PLEASE HIS LORD!

IMAliyu:

Only someone who's petty would take offense from such. I don't expect the self proclaimed wise, intelligent, powerful and loving-merciful deity would lower themselves to the level of human emotions.

Oh, so you think it reasonable to expect that when you give pain to God he should not feel it?

You obviously do not consider that God, Who gave eyes, Shall He not see? Or He Who gave ears, shall He not hear?

So also He Who gave feelings, Shall Himself Feel especially as He made us like Himself!

IMAliyu:

So basically it's not possible for you to positively prove the existence or superiority of your God over the Gods of the other faiths.

The Positive Proof of the Existence and Superiority of My God, was proven even before today and the Proof of His Excellence still Remains Today.

And This is the Proof! Isreal is there, Egypt is there, all the Enemies of Isreal are still around Isreal But THEY CAN NEVER OVERRUN ISREAL AND NEITHER SHALL ANYONE BE ABLE TO SCATTER OR REMOVE ISREAL FROM THEIR LAND EVER AGAIN, AS MY LORD MY GOD HAS DECREED IT.

AND IT IS DONE AND HAS BEEN DONE EVER SINCE

So NO FURTHER PROOF IS NECESSARY!

Dtruthspeaker:


what are you specifically looking for? For now you have introduced another matter of he who is always evil.

LOL.. You are not well at all..

Define evil first.. Then check the Bible to know who did all the evil in it..

sonmvayina:


LOL.. You are not well at all..

Define evil first.. Then check the Bible to know who did all the evil in it..

Why would I be the one to define evil when I am not the one Interested in it?

You who is interested in evil should know what you are interested in, so you define it and I will answer back!

Na only to argue them dey see us.

Blabbermouth:
Na only to argue them dey see us.

we love Dividing the Truth from the Lies and Argument is the Fire that Increases the Shines of All Truths while Burning Out the Lies at the same time.

Dtruthspeaker:


we love Dividing the Truth from the Lies and Argument is the Fire that Increases the Shines of All Truths while Burning Out the Lies at the same time.

Comot dia! You were impotent yesterday, you can't/could'nt separate or verify real God/gods from fake gods.

@IMAliyu... I read your test. Do you have anyone in the Muslim sect who can spearhead that?

Blabbermouth:

Comot dia! You were impotent yesterday, you can't/could'nt separate or verify real God/gods from fake gods.

hahaha.
Na you create Foolish game, make you see which fool go come play.

Nobody come play now you dey vexualize

I do not need to Prove what is Proven and no matter how you explain to a blind man how beautiful the Sky Looks, he won't see it!

Dtruthspeaker:

hahaha.
Na you create Foolish game, make you see which fool go come play.
Nobody come play now you dey vexualize
I do not need to Prove what is Proven and no matter how you explain to a blind man how beautiful the Sky Looks, he won't see it!

Mtcheeeeeeeeeeeew.
If you will quote me, at least say something intelligent na.

Been following this thread for a while..never wanted to make a quote, but here is my opinion..
Cc: Blabbermouth, kingxsamz, MJBOLT

Trying to prove that my God is the real God, is not something we would be doing online with typing and letters..
I write this to fulfill all righteousness, not because I believe it can change ur heart or make u see the light.
The problem with u atheists is that u claim to seek freedom, but unconsciously are locked in a prison so big, u don't know u are in a prison.
U try as much as possible to bring ur low human IQ into proving the existence of a supreme being that created you.
Your frustrations and stubbornness, takes u more into the deeper parts of this prison, as u try as much as possible to convince urself that u are right..
Ever wondered why all the theories brought up by scientist, the big bang, the evolution theory and the rest end up in futility?
Simply because they are trying to prove and understand the supernatural with an over naturally low IQ.
As Wigner wrote, “the enormous usefulness of mathematics in the natural sciences is something bordering on the mysterious and there is no rational explanation for it.”
If u will be honest to urselfs and become open minded, with all the little dealings, we all have encountered in our daily affairs, u can't help but agree that truely, the supernatural exists.

Now having established established that the supernatural exists, we move onto who is GOD?
God following the Wikipedia definition, is a supernatural entity, a supreme being, a creator deity etc.
God is believed to be the very essence of existence, a principal object of faith

The journey to discovering and fully knowing any God, is a journey that starts with faith.
Now who is my God, and why is my God the real God?
My God also known as the Abrahamic God in full sense, he is a trinitarian being, comprising of God the Father, God the son(Jesus Christ) and God the holy Spirit. (This topic is for the real Christians not some guys who don't know their left from their right)
Go through historic materials, you find alot of writing that proves that the very encounters and happenings you read about in the Bible exists.
E.g the pillar of salt, most biblical places and sorts exists till today. This alone proves the Bible was a real happening and not some forged stories.
For those, doubting the existence of Jesus, go through even the Quran, u find Jesus mentioned there about 25 times, u find Mary mentioned there too. But do u find the mention of Muhammad or any other believed prophet or gods in the Bible for any good thing?
Do you know the Bible is one of the oldest books that have stood the test of time?
So who are these other gods?
If u study ur bible, which I'm sure u don't, you will understand the battle between good and evil that has been going on ever since Lucifer was thrown down(I knw u dnt believe in the existence of the devil too , but it's necessary to explain how these other gods come about).
When Lucifer was thrown down, he was thrown down with almost half of the angels who joined in the rebellion. These angels we call fallen angels or demons as we know them by today.
Lucifer, together with these angels, crave to be worshipped like God.
Now, this is how most of these gods come about. You could make ur own research too with open minds.
if, for example you pick up a pot in ur house, and every morning, routinely, you bow down to these pots, calling it ur god, do this for just 3 days, and a spirit must possess that pot, just to receive ur worship. With time, that spirit begin to do all u ask of it, why? Because u give it the worship it so desires.
Most of these gods, u see today, have relevance only when they are worshipped by men. That's why, when u mould a statue, or any physical item, and begin to worship it, they possess that item and begin to do ur biddings.
But my God is a supreme being who doesn't dwell in pots, kettles, statues, and sorts. He is an entity who is ALMIGHTY.
If you want to encounter this God, u need to first believe his son(Jesus) who died for ur sins. It takes faith to encounter my God.
I know, u would still argue blindly, but like Jesus stated, you are a perverse generation, not willing to embrace your creator.

My God is too mighty, to belittle himself as wanting to prove his existence to chaffs like you. You die today, u will go to hell, and life continues. That alone shows how insignificant you are.

You want a true test of power, then do what was done on Mount Carmel by Elijah. Or u want me to say let Seun's site crash . Nairaland crashes for two days.

Get urself together now, and embrace Jesus..he is waiting for you, just only how wish u know how much he loves you

I pity these generation.

Dtruthspeaker:


That is the way of the thinking of man but not the Lord.

For the Good Lord knows that that there Should Be and There is GREAT REWARD for his Servants who could have chosen not to do His Will as they had power BUT THEY CHOSE TO EXERCISE THAT POWER, TO DO HIS WILL!

OH! HOW PLEASED THE LORD WHEN HE FINDETH SUCH A ONE THAT CHOSE TO DO HIS WILL. OH, WHAT GREAT LOVE SHALL BE BETWEEN THEM!

AND

AND OH, HOW DISPLEASED THE LORD SHALL BE WHEN HE FINDETH SUCH A ONE THAT DID NOT CARE TO PLEASE HIS LORD!



Oh, so you think it reasonable to expect that when you give pain to God he should not feel it?

You obviously do not consider that God, Who gave eyes, Shall He not see? Or He Who gave ears, shall He not hear?

So also He Who gave feelings, Shall Himself Feel especially as He made us like Himself!

The contradiction.

If he made man like him and the emotions of man apply to him, then the logic of man should apply to him as well.

He knows the future and the decisions of everyone before they even made them.
A good designer designs a software or bot to do exactly as he wants since that's what he wishes, not something that would only occasionally do as he desires. Considering that he already knows how things will work out.

The Positive Proof of the Existence and Superiority of My God, was proven even before today and the Proof of His Excellence still Remains Today.

And This is the Proof! Isreal is there, Egypt is there, all the Enemies of Isreal are still around Isreal But THEY CAN NEVER OVERRUN ISREAL AND NEITHER SHALL ANYONE BE ABLE TO SCATTER OR REMOVE ISREAL FROM THEIR LAND EVER AGAIN, AS MY LORD MY GOD HAS DECREED IT.

AND IT IS DONE AND HAS BEEN DONE EVER SINCE

So NO FURTHER PROOF IS NECESSARY!

You know with this line of thinking, a Muslim can equally claim proof in the defeat of non believers from Mecca and Medina and the conquest of Constantinople which remains in Muslim control like Muhammad's prophecy.

So why should I take your proof and not the Muslim one?

Blabbermouth:
@IMAliyu... I read your test. Do you have anyone in the Muslim sect who can spearhead that?

No.
I'm disillusioned from belief and I don't have any connections with Muslim sects.

But I thought maybe my idea could inspire the other theists to come up with their own tests.

God is consciousness..... . Not part of creation, not a man or human being..

IMAliyu:

The contradiction.

If he made man like him and the emotions of man apply to him, then the logic of man should apply to him as well.

And there you go making more errors again! Does an object follow the shadow?

Nay, my friend, it is the shadow that Always Follows the Object and you my friend, are the Shadow.

You Follow the Lord as a Shadow And the Lord can never follow you.

IMAliyu:

He knows the future and the decisions of everyone before they even made them.
A good designer designs a software or bot to do exactly as he wants since that's what he wishes, not something that would only occasionally do as he desires. Considering that he already knows how things will work out.

Of course after all your erroneous thinkings disclosed here, you must make further errors, like a man traveling to Lagos from Abuja and he travels via Abuja-Kaduna Highway. You can know for sure that Lagos shall be very far from him.

IMAliyu:

You know with this line of thinking, a Muslim can equally claim proof in the defeat of non believers from Mecca and Medina and the conquest of Constantinople which remains in Muslim control like Muhammad's prophecy.

So why should I take your proof and not the Muslim one?

Any one can conquer BUT NO ONE IS CAPABLE OF TELLING YOU WHAT SHALL BE, (of World Wide Notice, even before they happened) THAT SHALL BE AND NO ONE HAS TOLD US WHAT SHALL BE, WHICH CAME TO BE!

ONLY MY LORD GOD, DID IT!

Even Today, Many of My Lord's Prophecies have played Out and Are Playing Out even Right Now and with many even here, being willing participants!

My Lord Said it, And They Are Done!

IMAliyu:

You know with this line of thinking, a Muslim can equally claim proof in the defeat of non believers from Mecca and Medina and the conquest of Constantinople which remains in Muslim control like Muhammad's prophecy.

So why should I take your proof and not the Muslim one?

Besides, a prophecy in which the prophesier Compelled and Forces his followers to Positively and Actively bring to pass, that can not be said to be a Prophecy.

It is Properly Called A Promotion or Advancement of Interest, Not A Prophecy!

No difference between this activity and Colonialism carried out by the Europeans.

Neither qualifies to be a Prophecy!

The Power of A Prophecy is that you can even set yourself against it, Yet it shall be Fully Filled or Fullfilled!

Dtruthspeaker:


hahaha.
Na you create Foolish game, make you see which fool go come play.

Nobody come play now you dey vexualize

I do not need to Prove what is Proven and no matter how you explain to a blind man how beautiful the Sky Looks, he won't see it!

If it has been proven, you and your little gang wouldn't have come here to try your luck.

kingxsamz:


If it has been proven, you and your little gang wouldn't have come here to try your luck.

I never did such a foolish thing for it was Proven even before Blabber thought to ask!

Dtruthspeaker:


Besides, a prophecy in which the prophesier Compelled and Forces his followers to Positively and Actively bring to pass, that can not be said to be a Prophecy.

It is Properly Called A Promotion or Advancement of Interest, Not A Prophecy!

No difference between this activity and Colonialism carried out by the Europeans.

Neither qualifies to be a Prophecy!

The Power of A Prophecy is that you can even set yourself against it, Yet it shall be Fully Filled or Fullfilled!

The same way the old testament and moses commanded the Jews to kill people and fight for the promise land?

It's dubbed a self fulfilling prophecy.

Dtruthspeaker:


And there you go making more errors again! Does an object follow the shadow?

Nay, my friend, it is the shadow that Always Follows the Object and you my friend, are the Shadow.

You Follow the Lord as a Shadow And the Lord can never follow you.

Even a shadow would have some of the properties of the object from which it is cast.
So I still maintain if the logic of man is from God, then that logic can be used and applied to God.

Of course after all your erroneous thinkings disclosed here, you must make further errors, like a man traveling to Lagos from Abuja and he travels via Abuja-Kaduna Highway. You can know for sure that Lagos shall be very far from him.

The concept of destiny, omnisciences and freewill. Is what is erroneous.

Any one can conquer BUT NO ONE IS CAPABLE OF TELLING YOU WHAT SHALL BE, (of World Wide Notice, even before they happened) THAT SHALL BE AND NO ONE HAS TOLD US WHAT SHALL BE, WHICH CAME TO BE!

ONLY MY LORD GOD, DID IT!

Even Today, Many of My Lord's Prophecies have played Out and Are Playing Out even Right Now and with many even here, being willing participants!

My Lord Said it, And They Are Done!

Have you cared to look into the Muslim prophecies or that of other faiths that has come to pass as well? To make sure you're not exhibiting confirmation bias.

IMAliyu:



I think creating a methodology, or an experiment to test for the existence of God is required first.

This is an interesting topic.
So let's start with what are the properties imbued on to God? let's take the Islamic God or the Abrahamic God in general.

Most of the properties of this God can not be tested nor observed like the creation of the universe, man and others of this kind, except for that the Abrahamic faiths say that this God does intervene in the life of man and the workings of the universe by things like the answering of prayer, to miracles with numerous accounts in the Torah, Bible and Quran in the past. So this means if he has done it before it is more than possible he can do it again.

So my experiment would be this if it is in anyway possible to achieve. Gather a large number of devout believers and worshippers of the specified religion or from all the religions maybe a hundred to a couple of thousand men, women and children from selected from different places. Have them pray for a specific decided upon thing to happen at a specific time like for example a dead person to rise, or something as simple as for a specific car or an object to defy gravity to float 10 meters above the ground for 10 seconds. These are things his done before according to the books resurrections and flying carpets.

A prayer of a 100 or more people including women and children all in unison, I think no deity that prides them selves in answering prayers and their abilities would surely ignore such a thing.

This is my idea, not a fleshed out one, but here it is.

I agree with you. One of my concerns about abrahamic God is his reluctant to repeat the miracles that's seen in his scriptures. I use to say this and will continue to say it till otherwise proven : I would do better if I have similar power attributed to the abrahamic God.

My first job would be to prove my existence to all human in an indisputable manner.

My second job is to relay my message in a unique way that no human would have advantage over others with respect to the reach of my message.

Xmuslim:


My first job would be to prove my existence to all human in an indisputable manner.

Qur'an claim that (verse available on request) Allah gathered us (before sending us to the womb of our mothers) and proved his existence and warned us not to forget when we eventually descend to the planet earth. This is so petty to me. It is like telling your day old baby that you are his father and he should not forget when he grows (dispite your immediate dissaperance afterward and contradicting claims about his father from different people) .

IMAliyu:

The same way the old testament and moses commanded the Jews to kill people and fight for the promise land?

It's dubbed a self fulfilling prophecy.

gotcha! Meaning you have Admitted and Agreed with my Post, Therefore it is settled.

What you have rather done is to Place I and my God on trial WHICH IS A FRESH ISSUE

So Raise a thread for that purpose and I'll meet you there!

And as a start, Moses NEVER GAVE SUCH A COMMANDMENT, IT IS RATHER THAT THESE EVIL PEOPLE PROVOKED AND ATTACKED THE ISREALITES FiRST AND BROUGHT ABOUT THE APPLICATION OF THE LAW "THE FRIEND OF MY ENEMY, IS MY ENEMY" IN FORCE!


See you on the thread!

IMAliyu:

Even a shadow would have some of the properties of the object from which it is cast.
So I still maintain if the logic of man is from God, then that logic can be used and applied to God

You are repeating what I have answered therefore, you can not answer, so it is settled then.

IMAliyu:

Have you cared to look into the Muslim prophecies or that of other faiths that has come to pass as well? To make sure you're not exhibiting confirmation bias.

Nope, I have not personally reviewed them But one thing I know is that if their prophecies Bulls-Eyed, they would be brandishing it like a trophy and surely surely, I would have heard about it.

But they do not and So They Fall Short!

Djamel:
Very much interested in this .... Hope it gets to front page.. We need different perspective on the said topic.... Honestly, I think there's a singular supernatural being... Watching our every move...and He uses "karma" as a scale for payment(good or bad).......
My growing question is, which religion is right?.....I'm a Christian,and over time I don't feel comfortable anymore feeling my religion is right simply because I was born into a Christian family and my parents quoted lots of bible scriptures and life scenarios where he felt his God saved him..... What about those serving other gods?..... I'm sure they also have real life scenarios where their gods saved them......... I see most Muslims argue with there eyes popping out from its sockets....telling you why their religion is the best..... It's a very sensitive topic....i'd really love to get enough perspective on this issue......






P. S:still in doubt about the authenticity of Karma....as most people do bad deeds and still die without getting paid.... Well that's a topic for another day

so but Christians are not Christians by being given birth in a Christian home but by confession that Jesus Christ is Lord and your saviour.
Grace grace grace grace................................
mercy mercy mercy........................................
that's what you find in Him
your works cannot earn you heaven.

Some Christians can be rather ignorant, it seems, or do not quite understand what the Temptation of Christ is about.

Someone starts a thread asking you to provide evidence of the God you worship and instead of realising you are being asked to create an image of God and respond with the appropriate verses you are here falling over yourselves to create images he can see like the mere foolish believers that you are who are lacking in understanding!

I hope your trembling is being laughed at. Ignorant people deserve no less.

Xmuslim:


I agree with you. One of my concerns about abrahamic God is his reluctant to repeat the miracles that's seen in his scriptures. I use to say this and will continue to say it till otherwise proven : I would do better if I have similar power attributed to the abrahamic God.

My first job would be to prove my existence to all human in an indisputable manner.

My second job is to relay my message in a unique way that no human would have advantage over others with respect to the reach of my message.

If only you all could consider the thousands of years of evolution in understanding when you read the books about the Abrahamic God. Unfortunately, that's not what's taught, so here you are trying to read the text as those who wrote it understood what they wrote, and instead of recognising it should be understood instead of foolishly believed, your right and proper inability to believe stops you from understanding!

"In the Beginning was the Word", starts the Gospel of John, in days when the common people did not know what words or books were and books themselves were reserved for those who considered themselves holy, but here is you taking the power of those words and your ability to write them for granted without realising the miracles you might be performing with them. Has no one thanked you yet for opening their eyes with what you post on here? Do you really think all your posting has not opened anyone's eyes or mind? Or is it that you do not realise that is what they are intended to do?

I'm just thankful your parents who invested quite a lot in enabling you to read the written word are not as foolish as you all are, and to be honest, neither are you all really, or you would not be educating your own children to read. If only you would invested in their understanding too instead of their blindly believing. Amazingly enough, not one of you here has not read words and had their miracle performed on you, but instead of acknowledging it, you fail to comprehend what is written despite repeating it with every single post.

Can someone kindly show me where Jesus believed please? Searching might make you see that he was crucified for his understanding by those who did believe.

budaatum:
Some Christians can be rather ignorant, it seems, or do not quite understand what the Temptation of Christ is about.

MuttleyLaff:
I cant ever, get tired of typing, that, there'd be less christians, if only more christians, properly & correctly read their bibles.

budaatum:
Someone starts a thread asking you to provide evidence of the God you worship and instead of realising you are being asked to create an image of God and respond with the appropriate verses you are here falling over yourselves to create images he can see like the mere foolish believers that you are who are lacking in understanding!

I hope your trembling is being laughed at. Ignorant people deserve no less.

Gbam!

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MuttleyLaff:
MizMy\Coli! My dearest sister from another mother, nice to see you and to see you, nicely popping your head round in here. I am doing fine and all, thank you for asking.

Fyi LoJ has self destruct, meaning, the LoJ moniker, has long since, been kaput. The same goes for sarrasin too. Both monikers rested and/or fell on their swords. As for Analice, she has kept a low profile, hasn't for a long time actively featured on the Religion forum


MizMy\Coli, the thread's heading is titled and asking that: "Is It Possible That Each Individual Has Their Own God (chi)?" Of course it is possible that each individual has their own god, which you subconsciously accurately referred to as "chi" Now, the unfortunate thing, is that, ever since God took the adventure to create man in His image and likeness, man retrospectively has had the desire to want to return the favour and wilfully contravene "The Second commandment" this is talking about Exodus 20:4, that explicitly expresses that: "you shall not make for yourself, a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth" by creating God in your image, according to an atypical representation, formulation, theory, perverted idea or any other classic misrepresentation of God

I am now cycling back a bit as I've got the sense that possibly due to me not giving explanations and/or biblical hermeneutics on Exodus 6:3, Matthew 6:9, Luke 7:28 and Matthew 11:11, the four verses referenced above, you likely was quite blasé about them, so here is the big deal about them.

As for Exodus 6:3, compared with the patriarchs, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, you are in a privileged and peculiar standing with God. The patriarchs, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, only knew God as El-Shaddai or God Almighty, God was revealed to them only, as an Influential Being having complete power but not as God reveals to us that His name is Yahweh and Him being "I AM that I AM" which He demonstrated to the Israelites throughout the liberation and journey to the Promised Land. The privilege and peculiarity, you have, as being a daughter and/or woman of God, is that, God would be whatever is necessary for Him to be for you, just as He did, was and is for the Israelites.

As for Matthew 6:9, compared with the patriarchs, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and the Israelites/Jews, the concept of endearing God and addressing God as Father, was unheard of, until Jesus came up with that enlightenment teaching intro in Matthew 6:9, that we can form a personal relationship with God, up to the point of God, being a heavenly Father, who in our lives, provides us with care and protection. This is a given.

As for Luke 7:28 and/or Matthew 11:11, compared with the old guards and the Old Covenant, as a daughter/woman of God, you are because of the New Covenant, even if you're the least in the Kingdom of God, you are greater than the old guard, John the Baptist. I know it looks oxymoronic, but it is true that as a daughter/woman of God and of the New Covenant, you are a peculiar human being, you are a peculiar human being with a big God.

Disclaimer: Absolutely no forum rule "#11. Don't create distracting posts with: ALL WORDS BOLD / huge font sizes / ALL CAPS / distracting imagesspaces, etc" sic was harmed or flouted before, after and during the creation of this post, so please, pro-Oyedepo & overzealous "the powers that be" dont ban me.