₦airaland Forum

ecomog1990:
Please what is your own source of $134k cost ? Official Army published info said Ezugwu cost $200k. It's made from estimated 80% local materials.

Let me not go into the detailed specs of the proposed ARA III because comment replies will be following comment and I don't want to stay long on the thread.

Briefly, it was a war winner-game changer proposed specs, and Proforce refusal is part of problems with one man business, be didn't want to share power now that he is selling dozens of vehicles, he wants all the profit alone, and his action cost Nigeria the entrance of our first MRAP with full IFV capabilities, he just shunned off the foreign collabo.

That's part of one man business disadvantages, nobody to checkmate him and protect national interest. He keeps selling low tech ARA II to our army while ARA III hi-tech could likely win this war with it's IFV fusion.

ecomog1990:
Wow! You very funny bro You are trying to correct what you don't understand, biko o. You are mistakingly confusing ARA II MRAPs own ORDINARY 4 sides 4 pieces nearby objects view daylight cameras that all modern MRAPs have, with a military grade one single piece for all round directions mast mounted rotating 360° view PTZ Twin Camera Station Microbolometer technology powered on Ezugwu MRAP that can see far away objects over a kilometer range

Do you know the meaning of PTZ ? Check Proforce official website again, ARA II specifications does not include any Thermal Imaging PTZ camera night vision device with Triple Stages DRI.

Look again at the Ezugwu photo I chose, I picked a pic showing its PTZ Night Vision Thermal Imager mast showing clearly, do you see such vital equipment on ARA II ?

Hennynitan:
Ok!!! Thanks for the enlightenment, bro
I will just love the procurement to be more of a competitive advantage and performance basis rather than who is closer to the government.

I don't think there is anything wrong with a one man business. Innoson Motors is a one man business and he is doing well plus many other businesses.

Competition is healthy for the environment

Mugiwaraluffy:
Can you give detailed descriptions with images? Personally I want to learn most of these things you mentioned and where/how to identify them, know the difference between them on MRAP, APC, IVF etc instead of just mere knowing some of the specifications without understanding the meaning and uses.
I'm sure 70% of followers of this thread are quite oblivious to some of these terms.
@komekn please help us with more details next time
Coz sometimes, reading on google can confuse you more than make u understand some of these terms

Toju200:
perhaps you should watch some of their Documentary and Listen to how they discribe the Ara

ecomog1990:
Ah, bro, no get me wrong oooo!!!

I no talk say one man business is bad o, I only said Nigeria cannot depend on them ALONE for national security equipment, and I also said all of them government & private one man business SHOULD all enter competition for military contracts.

That is a wise way to develop our local Def-Sec industry. Proforce as a monopoly with no rival is not a wise situation for Nigeria's defense.

ecomog1990:
Be honest with clear facts bro, there is NO radio, TV, newspaper or internet report that says ARA II has PTZ Thermal Imaging night vision, I have watched virtually all public documentaries, read virtually all reputable published articles on ARA, I also confirmed from official website of Proforce that has final say on their own ARA II product, NONE says it has PTZ TI NV Camera.

When you are corrected from error, instead of learning whats right and move on, you rather stick to your error for sake of ego that profits you nothing. As a young man, you are not helping yourself to develop.

youghs:
You would find the price in this video;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asA_yBgKL54

Abeg just drop the specifications.

Toju200 said sometime ago that proforce is developing a 9ton version

Toju200:
i never said they Had PTZ cam..
Is PTZ the only 360° cam..
I don't know the spec but I rewatched Tvc Doc on Ara just now and the Journalist said it clearly that it has a 360° camera though not PTZ..
So try to understand
Maybe you got me wrong

Toju200:
Correction...
PF Ara Has 360° camera with NV mode
It has 4 hatches for troops to return fire when necessary that's aside the side ports

ecomog1990:
Be sincere and stop this your too late damage control, you said ARA has Night Vision - NV, and you were 'correcting' me



Kindly cease lying now, ARA has no night vision that you boldly said it has. You failed to prove it has, I proved it does not, you are too young to copy this habit of telling lies for ego sake that is common here, unless you want to say you dont know the meaning of night vision when you mentioned it and you thought all cameras are also night vision thermal imagers

ugo4u:
In my opinion honestly speaking Ezugwu Mrap is no match for Proforce MRAPS or other Armoured vehicles from them. For me the NA have like 3 to 5yrs to catch up with Proforce. At the moment not even Innoson can match them, the CEO of Proforce really did his home work before setting up that plant, he drafted some of the best engineer from all over the world and brought them to Nigeria not only that, he and his team met with the end users of these products where they sat down and talked about the cons of what was on ground which they now use as a template to manufacture theirs. That's why the results from the field have being spectacular that can't really be said for Ezugwu's version which I see as more of experimental though not taking anything away from them but they still have alot of work to do and we shouldn't think of mass producing them in the interim.

ecomog1990:
Well my bros, I am @ecomog1990, not at all @komekn !

It's true most people here don't understand these things, but they also argue a lot more than they want to learn, even when they are clearly wrong on facts.

I can't continue here because it will attract endless arguments, and best way to avoid arguments is to not comment much or to not stay long on the thread, just drop in a few posts and disappear for a very very long time.....while I have fun enjoying reading other people's post n comments.

Toju200:
yep I said With NV but I didn't State the ARA has PTZ which you said I did state with I didn't sooo... how am I lieing

ecomog1990:
The video says 42 units at =N= 2 billion, but no dollar price was stated, different people will use different dollar rates as FOREX rate varies widely. The $134 k is your personal conversion at a rate you chose for July 2020 contract of 42 units, but I quoted the NA published $200k for November 12th 2019 contract of 28 units.

Further design changes, buying more units per contract, increasing bulk sourcing of raw materials, all can make cost price reduce year to year. Pricing of the Ezugwu is now clear.

Old ARA I MRAP reportedly did not do well vs IED in N.E. War, causing need for ARA II. NA ordered 30 ARA II but plan 130 Ezugwu. I think night vision and armour resistance to DShk 12.7mm is very important to the NA against insurgents DShk.

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The ARA III proposal specs, is it worth it splashing that here? One it was rejected by Proforce owner, two the comparison ARA II VS Ezugwu I posted is already dragging into long discuss, and I wish I never posted it, cuz people just act funny here. I am not sure its worth splashing what you know where it is not valued.

I have more fun here by reading other people's comment, maybe I am a like a mosquito feeding on others in this forum

ugo4u:
In my opinion honestly speaking Ezugwu Mrap is no match for Proforce MRAPS or other Armoured vehicles from them. For me the NA have like 3 to 5yrs to catch up with Proforce. At the moment not even Innoson can match them, the CEO of Proforce really did his home work before setting up that plant, he drafted some of the best engineer from all over the world and brought them to Nigeria not only that, he and his team met with the end users of these products where they sat down and talked about theed cons of what was on ground which they now use as a template to manufacture theirs. That's why the results from the field have being spectacular that can't really be said for Ezugwu's version which I see as more of experimental though not taking anything away from them but they still have alot of work to do and we shouldn't think of mass producing them in the interim.

seankafor:
NGOs sponsoring terro

https://twitter.com/PostMastaGen/status/1304076293181452296?s=19[/quote]NGOs might not be a direct sponsor, but it is definitely the means by which the real sponsors use to funnel resources to these terrorists

ecomog1990:
Your saying ARA II has night vision is one lie, your trying to say you didnt say so make two lies.

I never said you claim it has PTZ, your claim is NV - Night Vision which is a lie, and you are not honest enough to admit. Too bad !

FieldMarshall06:
It is not about your opinion bro. [b]I asked for fact based answer[b] No one needs your guess opinion.

That is the problem with posters here, they argue thoughtlessly.

ugo4u:
I stated my points and made it clear that it is was opinion (which may be wrong) you can counter what I say with facts just like ecomog did we are all learning and I never claim to be a rapporteur of knowledge. You can make your points without bringing your idiocy to bare and FYI I wasn't responding to your question I was only expressing an independent opinion on a subject matter. So don't think too highly of your deluded self.

ecomog1990:
The video says 42 units at =N= 2 billion, but no dollar price was stated, different people will use different dollar rates as FOREX rate varies widely. The $134 k is your personal conversion at a rate you chose for July 2020 contract of 42 units, but I quoted the NA published $200k for November 12th 2019 contract of 28 units.

Further design changes, buying more units per contract, increasing bulk sourcing of raw materials, all can make cost price reduce year to year. Pricing of the Ezugwu is now clear.

Old ARA I MRAP reportedly did not do well vs IED in N.E. War, causing need for ARA II. NA ordered 30 ARA II but plan 130 Ezugwu. I think night vision and armour resistance to DShk 12.7mm is very important to the NA against insurgents DShk.

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The ARA III proposal specs, is it worth it splashing that here? One it was rejected by Proforce owner, two the comparison ARA II VS Ezugwu I posted is already dragging into long discuss, and I wish I never posted it, cuz people just act funny here. I am not sure its worth splashing what you know where it is not valued.

I have more fun here by reading other people's comment, maybe I am a like a mosquito feeding on others in this forum

FieldMarshall06:
Both are Nigerian products and we are proud of them. So, its a win win for us.

But please o, Ezugwu and Ara MRAPs, which has better protection. Someone should please enlighten us with facts, not opinion or guesses.[b][/b]

FieldMarshall06:
@ugo4u

That is the question I asked. The last statement is clear.

Someone should please enlighten us with facts, not opinion or guesses.[/size][size=8pt]

FieldMarshall06:
Both are Nigerian products and we are proud of them. So, its a win win for us.

But please o, Ezugwu and Ara MRAPs, which has better protection. Someone should please enlighten us with facts, not opinion or guesses.

komekn:
I don't have facts but circumstantial facts to underpin my opinion.

For Pro Force to participate in international trade fairs, they absolutely have to meet international standards assessment.

So the ARA is able to achieve STANAG level 4.

I do not think, correct me if l am wrong, but it seems the Ezugwu had not been subjected to independent international inspection.

So my view is that the ARA is considerably superior.

ugo4u:
Epistolary tale of a coward hiding behind a fog of jargon, you need not edit your initial comment that escalated issues. Low brow Wikipedia amanuensis.

youghs:
Abeg na just the specifications, I'm just trying to learn
And please do you know about the 9 ton version Proforce is developing?