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ShinnBet:
Well, I have told you that most rig operators demand this specification from their contracting aviation company because of the obvious hazard risk and load specification requirements in landing on their platforms

ShinnBet:
Don't mind these idiots.

The black box was removed from the crash site by the operators.

This is not the first time that has happened.

The pilot I suspect must have dumped his fuel in anticipation of a crash in an urban area. No pilot will fly with inadequate fuel and if it so happens to be so, would have made an emergency landing in an open area.

Thirdly, the AIB coming out with this statement of the pilot not having a valid liscence is following the earlier NCAA's very unprofessional utterance long before AIB came out with their prelimunary report, that the helicopter in question was not approved for flight operations by them.

Then how come an aircraft that was not approved for operations was being operated within Nigerian airspace by an unqualified Pilot?

These NCAA idiots don't know they are even indicting themselves for failing to do their job.

This is not the first time the useless NCAA has been in the eye of the storm. This same NCAA came out to tell us that the black box for Bellview Airliner that mysteriously crashed somewhere around Ibadan airspace in 2005 was stolen from their office in Lagos.

I have met and interacted with several of these NCAA badged agents and I can tell you 90% of them have no businesss working in aviation talk more of being regulators.

As for AIB, does ones do not have a single clue.

My opinion of the timeline of events is as follows:.

1. Pilot notices a major fault

2. Pilot contacts Ikeja ATC notifying them of an emergency

3. Pilot dumps fuel in anticipation of a forced landing in an urban area

4. Pilot must have lost engine power or rudder control or both

5. Chopper can't be controlled by pilot and goes into a spin (highlighting loss od rudder control)

6. Chopper crashes

7. Onlookers swarm the site

8. Police do nothing to secure the crash site.

9. Airline representatives visit site and ecuavate black box

10. AIB cones in and as clueless as they are come out with their useless conclusion

P S.

Worked as an Avionics Engineer with the USMC for 5yrs.

quentin06:
People like you should be conducting investigations for NCAA but those nepotistic Buffon's there won't allow it.

Scarrr:
look for a good place to land? How please? Even na very very few car driver's dey get luck when brake failure occurs

Reference:
And for those speaking about fuel dumping, there are a few things to be understood.

Helicopters are relatively low flying aircraft optimised for operations in terrain that does not afford space or ground conditions fixed wing aircraft require to take off and land safely. Meaning small airfields, rugged mountainous or soft-swampy land or urban area ocated helipads.

When fuel is dumped is comes out of the aircraft through a pitot under pump pressure as a fine mist observed on ground as a contrail if two conditions are fulfilled. One, the aircraft is moving FAST enough to aerosol the fuel and two, the aircraft is flying HIGH enough for atmospheric pressure to suspend the aerosol long enough for it to be dispersed before gravity takes over (the reason why clouds are up there and not down at our feet). A helicopter traditionally does not do both relatively well.

Thirdly and most importantly as in this case, there are strict regulations as to where an aircraft CAN DUMP FUEL. In most countries it is strictly forbidden over populated areas for obvious reasons so an aircraft coming into Lagos (a sprawling metropolis) will have to fly out or fly by to the Atlantic to do that, further complicating any emergency.

The vast majority of helicopters operating around the world do so in predominantly urban settings so making fuel dumping a staple is just irrelevant. That is why today it is only military helicopters that do so and only for specific operational reasons in their designated military set ups.

Hypothetically speaking, if that Bell chopper had dumped fuel flying at such a low altitude and slow speed coming into MMA, several fires will have erupted along the trail perhaspos causing a lot more devastation. Hypothetically speaking as well, if the pilot had noticed any malfunction he should have just found the nearest spot to land immediately. A land no matter where is always better than a crash.

For any pilots reading this. Put your aircraft down immediately. Life is better than a bad name or earning a bad rap.

sugah:
Why?
Because he gave bullet points of crap you'd like to believe?

quentin06:
People like you should be conducting investigations for NCAA but those nepotistic Buffon's there won't allow it.

quentin06:
At least he doesn't have a crappy brain like you, learn to improve your vocabulary instead of throwing tantrums like a 3 year old.

quentin06:
At least he doesn't have a crappy brain like you, learn to improve your vocabulary instead of throwing tantrums like a 3 year old.

ikorodureporta:
no license, no black box, no fuel.. this na suicide mission.

I wonder why he didn't look for a good place to land instead of that compound's fence

MASTAkiLLAh:
you didn’t even read your own article sir

ShinnBet:
Nigerians only take your opinion when you are speaking from a point of authority they align with.

ShinnBet:
The pilot I suspect must have dumped his fuel in anticipation of a crash in an urban area. No pilot will fly with inadequate fuel and if it so happens to be so, would have made an emergency landing in an open area.


3. Pilot dumps fuel in anticipation of a forced landing in an urban area

The AIB’s document noted that the jet was fully fuelled in the Rivers State capital, but had no capacity of jettisoning the content mid-air

Reference:
And for those speaking about fuel dumping, there are a few things to be understood.

Helicopters are relatively low flying aircraft optimised for operations in terrain that does not afford space or ground conditions fixed wing aircraft require to take off and land safely. Meaning small airfields, rugged mountainous or soft-swampy land or urban area ocated helipads.

When fuel is dumped is comes out of the aircraft through a pitot under pump pressure as a fine mist observed on ground as a contrail if two conditions are fulfilled. One, the aircraft is moving FAST enough to aerosol the fuel and two, the aircraft is flying HIGH enough for atmospheric pressure to suspend the aerosol long enough for it to be dispersed before gravity takes over (the reason why clouds are up there and not down at our feet). A helicopter traditionally does not do both relatively well.

Thirdly and most importantly as in this case, there are strict regulations as to where an aircraft CAN DUMP FUEL. In most countries it is strictly forbidden over populated areas for obvious reasons so an aircraft coming into Lagos (a sprawling metropolis) will have to fly out or fly by to the Atlantic to do that, further complicating any emergency.

The vast majority of helicopters operating around the world do so in predominantly urban settings so making fuel dumping a staple is just irrelevant. That is why today it is only military helicopters that do so and only for specific operational reasons in their designated military set ups.

Hypothetically speaking, if that Bell chopper had dumped fuel flying at such a low altitude and slow speed coming into MMA, several fires will have erupted along the trail perhaspos causing a lot more devastation. Hypothetically speaking as well, if the pilot had noticed any malfunction he should have just found the nearest spot to land immediately. A land no matter where is always better than a crash.

For any pilots reading this. Put your aircraft down immediately. Life is better than a bad name or earning a bad rap.

ShinnBet:
Don't mind these idiots.

The black box was removed from the crash site by the operators.

This is not the first time that has happened.

The pilot I suspect must have dumped his fuel in anticipation of a crash in an urban area. No pilot will fly with inadequate fuel and if it so happens to be so, would have made an emergency landing in an open area.

Thirdly, the AIB coming out with this statement of the pilot not having a valid liscence is following the earlier NCAA's very unprofessional utterance long before AIB came out with their prelimunary report, that the helicopter in question was not approved for flight operations by them.

Then how come an aircraft that was not approved for operations was being operated within Nigerian airspace by an unqualified Pilot?

These NCAA idiots don't know they are even indicting themselves for failing to do their job.

This is not the first time the useless NCAA has been in the eye of the storm. This same NCAA came out to tell us that the black box for Bellview Airliner that mysteriously crashed somewhere around Ibadan airspace in 2005 was stolen from their office in Lagos.

I have met and interacted with several of these NCAA badged agents and I can tell you 90% of them have no businesss working in aviation talk more of being regulators.

As for AIB, does ones do not have a single clue.

My opinion of the timeline of events is as follows:.

1. Pilot notices a major fault

2. Pilot contacts Ikeja ATC notifying them of an emergency

3. Pilot dumps fuel in anticipation of a forced landing in an urban area

4. Pilot must have lost engine power or rudder control or both

5. Chopper can't be controlled by pilot and goes into a spin (highlighting loss od rudder control)

6. Chopper crashes

7. Onlookers swarm the site

8. Police do nothing to secure the crash site.

9. Airline representatives visit site and ecuavate black box

10. AIB cones in and as clueless as they are come out with their useless conclusion

P S.

Worked as an Avionics Engineer with the USMC for 5yrs.

ShinnBet:
Don't mind these idiots.

The black box was removed from the crash site by the operators.

This is not the first time that has happened.

The pilot I suspect must have dumped his fuel in anticipation of a crash in an urban area. No pilot will fly with inadequate fuel and if it so happens to be so, would have made an emergency landing in an open area.

Thirdly, the AIB coming out with this statement of the pilot not having a valid liscence is following the earlier NCAA's very unprofessional utterance long before AIB came out with their prelimunary report, that the helicopter in question was not approved for flight operations by them.

Then how come an aircraft that was not approved for operations was being operated within Nigerian airspace by an unqualified Pilot?

These NCAA idiots don't know they are even indicting themselves for failing to do their job.

This is not the first time the useless NCAA has been in the eye of the storm. This same NCAA came out to tell us that the black box for Bellview Airliner that mysteriously crashed somewhere around Ibadan airspace in 2005 was stolen from their office in Lagos.

I have met and interacted with several of these NCAA badged agents and I can tell you 90% of them have no businesss working in aviation talk more of being regulators.

As for AIB, does ones do not have a single clue.

My opinion of the timeline of events is as follows:.

ShinnBet:
Don't mind these idiots.

The black box was removed from the crash site by the operators.

This is not the first time that has happened.

The pilot I suspect must have dumped his fuel in anticipation of a crash in an urban area. No pilot will fly with inadequate fuel and if it so happens to be so, would have made an emergency landing in an open area.

Thirdly, the AIB coming out with this statement of the pilot not having a valid liscence is following the earlier NCAA's very unprofessional utterance long before AIB came out with their prelimunary report, that the helicopter in question was not approved for flight operations by them.

Then how come an aircraft that was not approved for operations was being operated within Nigerian airspace by an unqualified Pilot?

These NCAA idiots don't know they are even indicting themselves for failing to do their job.

This is not the first time the useless NCAA has been in the eye of the storm. This same NCAA came out to tell us that the black box for Bellview Airliner that mysteriously crashed somewhere around Ibadan airspace in 2005 was stolen from their office in Lagos.

I have met and interacted with several of these NCAA badged agents and I can tell you 90% of them have no businesss working in aviation talk more of being regulators.

As for AIB, does ones do not have a single clue.

My opinion of the timeline of events is as follows:.

1. Pilot notices a major fault

2. Pilot contacts Ikeja ATC notifying them of an emergency

3. Pilot dumps fuel in anticipation of a forced landing in an urban area

4. Pilot must have lost engine power or rudder control or both

5. Chopper can't be controlled by pilot and goes into a spin (highlighting loss od rudder control)

6. Chopper crashes

7. Onlookers swarm the site

8. Police do nothing to secure the crash site.

9. Airline representatives visit site and ecuavate black box

10. AIB cones in and as clueless as they are come out with their useless conclusion

P S.

Worked as an Avionics Engineer with the USMC for 5yrs.

ikorodureporta:
They said the fuel tank was empty. If that was the cause, the pilot could have landed safely somewhere

ShinnBet:
The pilot I suspect must have dumped his fuel in anticipation of a crash in an urban area.



My opinion of the timeline of events is as follows:

3. Pilot dumps fuel in anticipation of a forced landing in an urban area



P S.

Worked as an Avionics Engineer with the USMC for 5yrs.

adedayourt:
This claim should not be the primary concern. Its only to discredit bells as a company.


If my driver licence expires last month and I am driving today, it does not mean I don't know how to drive.

There are other primary cause of the accident which should be investigated and mitigated to prevent similar occurrence.

This does not however justify why a pilot would not possess a valid licence though

ShinnBet:
Don't mind these idiots.

The black box was removed from the crash site by the operators.

This is not the first time that has happened.

The pilot I suspect must have dumped his fuel in anticipation of a crash in an urban area. No pilot will fly with inadequate fuel and if it so happens to be so, would have made an emergency landing in an open area.

Thirdly, the AIB coming out with this statement of the pilot not having a valid liscence is following the earlier NCAA's very unprofessional utterance long before AIB came out with their prelimunary report, that the helicopter in question was not approved for flight operations by them.

Then how come an aircraft that was not approved for operations was being operated within Nigerian airspace by an unqualified Pilot?

These NCAA idiots don't know they are even indicting themselves for failing to do their job.

This is not the first time the useless NCAA has been in the eye of the storm. This same NCAA came out to tell us that the black box for Bellview Airliner that mysteriously crashed somewhere around Ibadan airspace in 2005 was stolen from their office in Lagos.

I have met and interacted with several of these NCAA badged agents and I can tell you 90% of them have no businesss working in aviation talk more of being regulators.

As for AIB, does ones do not have a single clue.

My opinion of the timeline of events is as follows:.

1. Pilot notices a major fault

2. Pilot contacts Ikeja ATC notifying them of an emergency

3. Pilot dumps fuel in anticipation of a forced landing in an urban area

4. Pilot must have lost engine power or rudder control or both

5. Chopper can't be controlled by pilot and goes into a spin (highlighting loss od rudder control)

6. Chopper crashes

7. Onlookers swarm the site

8. Police do nothing to secure the crash site.

9. Airline representatives visit site and ecuavate black box

10. AIB cones in and as clueless as they are come out with their useless conclusion

P S.

Worked as an Avionics Engineer with the USMC for 5yrs.

panifid:
According to you ShinnBet......



The AIB says "The AIB’s document noted that the jet was fully fuelled in the Rivers State capital, but had no capacity of jettisoning the content mid-air, yet “there was no fuel left in the fuel tank after the crash.”

So which is correct does this model of helicopter have the capability to jettison fuel mid-air?

ikorodureporta:
no license, no black box, no fuel.. this na suicide mission.

I wonder why he didn't look for a good place to land instead of that compound's fence

ShinnBet:
Those ones don't know what they are talking about.

There is a major cover up going on to absolve the management of the airline and the NCAA of blame and they have chosen to blame the dead pilot.

FYI, rotary pilot training is more extensive and rigourous with higher standard expectations than your normal fixed wing.

I am not buying their crap.

ShinnBet:
Well, I have told you that most rig operators demand this specification from their contracting aviation company because of the obvious hazard risk and load specification requirements in landing on their platforms

ShinnBet:
Don't mind these idiots.

The black box was removed from the crash site by the operators.

This is not the first time that has happened.

The pilot I suspect must have dumped his fuel in anticipation of a crash in an urban area. No pilot will fly with inadequate fuel and if it so happens to be so, would have made an emergency landing in an open area.

Thirdly, the AIB coming out with this statement of the pilot not having a valid liscence is following the earlier NCAA's very unprofessional utterance long before AIB came out with their prelimunary report, that the helicopter in question was not approved for flight operations by them.

Then how come an aircraft that was not approved for operations was being operated within Nigerian airspace by an unqualified Pilot?

These NCAA idiots don't know they are even indicting themselves for failing to do their job.

This is not the first time the useless NCAA has been in the eye of the storm. This same NCAA came out to tell us that the black box for Bellview Airliner that mysteriously crashed somewhere around Ibadan airspace in 2005 was stolen from their office in Lagos.

I have met and interacted with several of these NCAA badged agents and I can tell you 90% of them have no businesss working in aviation talk more of being regulators.

As for AIB, does ones do not have a single clue.

My opinion of the timeline of events is as follows:.

1. Pilot notices a major fault

2. Pilot contacts Ikeja ATC notifying them of an emergency

3. Pilot dumps fuel in anticipation of a forced landing in an urban area

4. Pilot must have lost engine power or rudder control or both

5. Chopper can't be controlled by pilot and goes into a spin (highlighting loss od rudder control)

6. Chopper crashes

7. Onlookers swarm the site

8. Police do nothing to secure the crash site.

9. Airline representatives visit site and ecuavate black box

10. AIB cones in and as clueless as they are come out with their useless conclusion

P S.

Worked as an Avionics Engineer with the USMC for 5yrs.

Racoon:
Humn! A pilot having no license yet flew a plane & wreck lives.When will we have responsible leadership in this nation? The aviation ministry, NCAA, aircraft pilots/ engineers will all be doing the blame game.Nigeria! What a country.

ShinnBet:
That should tell you they don't know jack.

Where did the fuel disappear to ?

The pilot was on schedule as there was no time delay .

He obviously jettisoned his fuel in anticipation of a crash