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Re: Crashed Bell Helicopter Pilot Had No Valid License - AIB by Stocktrader1: 10:46am On Sep 22, 2020 |
thecommunist: He is very wrong and full of misinformation in his write-up, Bell of that model never comes or equipped with Black Box and the capability to dump feul. 3 Likes |
Re: Crashed Bell Helicopter Pilot Had No Valid License - AIB by vicysegun: 10:47am On Sep 22, 2020 |
Re: Crashed Bell Helicopter Pilot Had No Valid License - AIB by madridsta007(m): 10:55am On Sep 22, 2020 |
ikorodureporta: If you believe this, then you dont know about Aircrash investigations. Most air crash investigations end up with the conclusion that it is "pilots error". Which is not always the case. However, it is the (dead) pilot vs big corporates, big companies, the media, government agencies, etc. You think if he had no valid license he would be flying a helicopter that transported foriegners? Taking pictures and posting them on social media? Etc? This is a big lie. My PhD was focused on aircraft data-driven maintenance. I know an easy lie when I see one. NCAA are idiots. And they think every Nigerian is foolish to fall for their tricks. "Pilot error" blame basically forcloses the thought of paying compensation which NCAA, the helicopter company and their insurance companies want to run away from. He had a valid license. But there has to be a fall guy. It damn well isnt going to be the big corps. 2 Likes |
Re: Crashed Bell Helicopter Pilot Had No Valid License - AIB by TheGreatIYANU: 11:04am On Sep 22, 2020 |
ShinnBet: Apart from what panifid has explained, are you saying a malfunction in the aircraft cannot lead to sudden unintended drainage from the fuel tanks? Are you saying there could not have been errors in fuel load calculation before the trip? ShinnBet please shut it with your misinformation and just stop replying comments. 1 Like |
Re: Crashed Bell Helicopter Pilot Had No Valid License - AIB by 1Hover1(m): 11:09am On Sep 22, 2020 |
You might have it wrong here bro. Questions to ask include: 1. Does the AC have the provision to jettison fuel? NO, so this fuels more questions into the direction of "how the fuel tanks were empty on impact" There was no fire, no explosion, no soot to show carbon burn, nothing like that. The pilot might have planned for a 2hrs + flight, but probably headwind and other factors we might not know stretched his flight time into the enduranceperiod (he might have been carried away too, or tried to see how he could stretch it to the Lagos Airport without raising a dust but couldn't meet up. Remember, global aviation regulations require you to land with at least 30mins of fuel left. 2. Does a BELL 206 have a blackbox installed? NO So this doesn't align with the talk of the blackbox was stolen in anyway. 3. Did the AC go into a spin? Obviously not! The Aircraft came straight down (from eyewitness account) and this could be seen from the wreck. A spinning AC crashing would have a larger disperse area of crash debris. Moreover, a loss of engine power doesn't have to equate to a fatal crash. As helicopter pilots, one training you must pass through before even getting your license is loss of engine power. Every heli pilot knows how important it is to get their Autorotaion right. Loss of engine power due to no fuel, he could have entered into an autorotation but probably didn't get it right and his Main rotor speed went in to the red. This might also fan the talks of "the pilot knew he had low fuel but tried to push it to its limit to land at the airport. 4. Was the pilot qualified to fly? Yes & No... Yes because he has the experience and license to fly that aircraft, No because his yearly medicals Expired on August 6. NCAA gave a directive to allow for medicals extension for pilots since we couldn't carry out our license renewal due to the covid-19 pandemic. This brings us to the question on who is right? Quorum who says they applied for an extension or NCAA who says they never got an application for extension. Lastly, question 5. What of the recordings between the pilot and the ATC. This, in addition to the ATC monito history, is the only concrete way to understand what transpired in the last moments of the ill-fated Bell 206B flight. It was a painful loss to the aviation community. ShinnBet: 3 Likes |
Re: Crashed Bell Helicopter Pilot Had No Valid License - AIB by FarahAideed: 11:13am On Sep 22, 2020 |
ShinnBet: Oga if you read the thread I created then to prove it was ran out of fuel you will will see explained all the reasons .. The bell 206 he was flying has a maximum range of 693 kms and the distance of from PH to Abuja using the coastline is about 630 kms ..Just he just had very little margins for fuel consumption variables ..If he ran into coastal winds stronger than usual he will burn more fuel, if he had climb higher than planned he will burn more fuel ..If he carried any unplanned passenger or baggage he will burn more fuel ...If he was alone in that helicopter he would have made it back to base because he was just two minutes away from his LZ. The Bell 206 is not designed to even flay that long , with a max range of 693 km ,he shouldn't have flown that helicopter beyond 500 kms no matter what 6 Likes |
Re: Crashed Bell Helicopter Pilot Had No Valid License - AIB by FarahAideed: 11:15am On Sep 22, 2020 |
ShinnBet: Bell 206 cannot dump fuel !!!! It's doesn't have that capability ..the pilot ran out of fuel ..!!!!!! 1 Like |
Re: Crashed Bell Helicopter Pilot Had No Valid License - AIB by FarahAideed: 11:15am On Sep 22, 2020 |
BestTruth101: That was no insight please ...The Helicopter ran out of fuel 2 Likes |
Re: Crashed Bell Helicopter Pilot Had No Valid License - AIB by AntiWailer: 11:21am On Sep 22, 2020 |
ShinnBet: Thank you for your submission. you are obviously a subject matter expert. It is refreshing to read from some one with a sound mind. |
Re: Crashed Bell Helicopter Pilot Had No Valid License - AIB by 1Hover1(m): 11:22am On Sep 22, 2020 |
...BUT there are many small helicopters that do not have a provision for a black box, in fact, they are not required to have a black box (a.ka. CVR & FDR) to operate. As for fuel dumping... let's not even make that a topic. Simple and short... not all aircrafts have the option to jettison fuel mid air... It is not and has never been a requirement for flight in any country! Let's not be too petty. ShinnBet: 1 Like |
Re: Crashed Bell Helicopter Pilot Had No Valid License - AIB by Wettoid123: 11:22am On Sep 22, 2020 |
That is what you people will say ever since before now you don't know that there is no valid I.d yeye people |
Re: Crashed Bell Helicopter Pilot Had No Valid License - AIB by FarahAideed: 11:29am On Sep 22, 2020 |
solmus: I doubt that model of helicopter comes with a black box ..it was a 1989 Bell 206 |
Re: Crashed Bell Helicopter Pilot Had No Valid License - AIB by bigtt76(f): 11:31am On Sep 22, 2020 |
Agreed, this is the ideal situation but what if the crew decided not to take on full fuel load? May be due to lack of funds to cover full fuel load and instead decided to take on anticipated load? Like for example a car driver may estimate fuel load from Abuja to Lagos to be 100Ltr instead of the car full capacity of 150Ltr and unfortunately the 100Ltr failed to last the trip? Also, is it possible that the pilot made other flight detour which led to fuel load exhausted quickly? AIB claimed this particular aircraft has no way of ditching fuel mid-air.. is it not possible that that feature may have been tampered with before. There were aims the aircraft was not airworthy... Who knows. Thanks for the well articulated explanations very apt! ShinnBet: |
Re: Crashed Bell Helicopter Pilot Had No Valid License - AIB by Nobody: 11:31am On Sep 22, 2020 |
sugah: I don't respond to frustrated people, there's no reason for you to come to a forum like this to broadcast your hatred for humanity, go take a nap. |
Re: Crashed Bell Helicopter Pilot Had No Valid License - AIB by bigtt76(f): 11:35am On Sep 22, 2020 |
Not having a valid license is not a cause of accidents. It is not also the same thing as not being licensed to fly. Flying requires knowledge on flying and if the pilot is well trained to fly, having a valid license is just administrative especially if s/he is used to fly a particular aircraft |
Re: Crashed Bell Helicopter Pilot Had No Valid License - AIB by solmus: 11:35am On Sep 22, 2020 |
FarahAideed: Flight data recorder / cockpit voice recorder... Even analogue ones, are far older many decades than 1989 |
Re: Crashed Bell Helicopter Pilot Had No Valid License - AIB by EgunMogaji2: 11:43am On Sep 22, 2020 |
ikorodureporta: He didn’t land in the compound. He fell into the compound. Engine wasn’t running. |
Re: Crashed Bell Helicopter Pilot Had No Valid License - AIB by Jakumo(m): 11:44am On Sep 22, 2020 |
The pilot made a very basic error as captured in this quote : " “The helicopter has an endurance of 3:24h. The operational flight plan filed by the pilot indicated an endurance of 3:15h and an estimated flight time of 2:45h." For the pilot to have filed a flight time that only fuel burn margin of THIRTY MINUTES, means that the pilot left virtually no extra fuel at all, because any headwind encountered on that flight would have consumed far more than 8 minutes worth of fuel, making a crash highly likely even in the best of circumstances. It is the height of irresponsibility to allow an un-licensed individual to take the controls of any aircraft, and the airline that did so with these tragic results, is likely to be sued of of business, by families of the crash victims. 2 Likes |
Re: Crashed Bell Helicopter Pilot Had No Valid License - AIB by FarahAideed: 11:48am On Sep 22, 2020 |
solmus: Oga it's not mandatory for Helicopters to have Black boxes especially small helicopters like this one ..even the giant Sikorsky 76 Kobe died in didn't have a black box ...Oga this is my field so don't argue abeg 2 Likes
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Re: Crashed Bell Helicopter Pilot Had No Valid License - AIB by FarahAideed: 11:49am On Sep 22, 2020 |
AntiWailer: Subject matter expert . .. he said 100 percent Nonsense .. Nigerians cant tell right from wrong oo. subject matter expert ? indon laugh taya ..Brother that guy's wrote nonsene . 2 Likes |
Re: Crashed Bell Helicopter Pilot Had No Valid License - AIB by FarahAideed: 11:50am On Sep 22, 2020 |
Jakumo: At last somebody that's gets it |
Re: Crashed Bell Helicopter Pilot Had No Valid License - AIB by MASTAkiLLAh(m): 11:52am On Sep 22, 2020 |
vicysegun:you didn’t read it too |
Re: Crashed Bell Helicopter Pilot Had No Valid License - AIB by bizzibodi(m): 11:57am On Sep 22, 2020 |
An experienced pilot shld force land if he knows he is low on fuel,why he insists on making it to his destination b/C it works for him b4 beat ma imagination. 1 Like |
Re: Crashed Bell Helicopter Pilot Had No Valid License - AIB by Kingbuhari(m): 12:04pm On Sep 22, 2020 |
FarahAideed:why he no refuel midair How I wished nah Sai Barbar and Tinubu he was carrying 2 Likes |
Re: Crashed Bell Helicopter Pilot Had No Valid License - AIB by sugah: 12:07pm On Sep 22, 2020 |
Jakumo:An unfortunate incident... However, he was licensed to fly the aircraft. His licence isn't valid because of coronavirus travel restrictions not allowing crew member go for their 6monthly simulator check..the NCAA isn't processing medical/licence renewal, only extending validity on already expired licences |
Re: Crashed Bell Helicopter Pilot Had No Valid License - AIB by 1Hover1(m): 12:08pm On Sep 22, 2020 |
You sef wicked! You should have left him feeling enlightened naa... lol The subject matter expert talk weak me... lol FarahAideed: 3 Likes |
Re: Crashed Bell Helicopter Pilot Had No Valid License - AIB by 1Hover1(m): 12:20pm On Sep 22, 2020 |
Well, legally, the flight plan he filed was perfectly in check.. he had 30 mins of fuel left and that is what is required in aviation. The problem, I think, comes from the fact that they had burnt 30 mins of fuel already (10mins on ground, 20 mins test flight). Could this be a miscalculation that caused the issue? Jakumo: |
Re: Crashed Bell Helicopter Pilot Had No Valid License - AIB by Yankee101: 12:55pm On Sep 22, 2020 |
Flying airplanes and corruption (fake papers even within the premises or by legitimate officials), short changing (collecting money for gas but pumping little) do not go together |
Re: Crashed Bell Helicopter Pilot Had No Valid License - AIB by zikter(m): 3:40pm On Sep 22, 2020 |
panifid:Thumbs up man. The other guy is just talking without facts. He cannot provide a proof that this copter has the capacity to dump fuel, AIB said it didn't but the guy is hammering NCCA constantly. I believe the pilot simply run out of fuel 1 Like |
Re: Crashed Bell Helicopter Pilot Had No Valid License - AIB by earnit3: 3:54pm On Sep 22, 2020 |
really |
Re: Crashed Bell Helicopter Pilot Had No Valid License - AIB by adanny01(m): 4:26pm On Sep 22, 2020 |
Reference: I also agree with him. AIB said the aircraft has an endurance of.3.24h and the pilot filed 3.15h. The aircraft was fueled a day prior which means he has either 3.24h or 3.15h of flight. On flight day, the engine was ran for 10mins and subsequently flown 20mins for a test. The aircraft engine was started at 9.15, took off at 9.20 and crash 12.14. That is 2.54hrs of flight. That brings the total to 15mins of engine running and 3.14hrs of flight. Add 15mins of engine running, 3.29hrs which is above the endurance of the aircraft. Any miscalculation or extra load meant that the flight was doomed and the pilot took a big risk. The crash itself gave evidence to this theory, there was supposed to be fire fueled by the fuel but there was none. 1 Like |
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