Is Michael the Christ?

A controversial theory suggests that Michael was the pre-incarnate Christ. He is given the title of “prince” and shown to be a “protector of the people Israel.” Yet, “the one who protects Israel” is God Himself, says Don Stewart. “My help comes from the LORD” (Psalm 121:2-4). Many people argue that if God protects Israel, and Michael protects Israel, they must be one in the same. Moreover, when Christ returns, He will come with “the voice, or cry of command, of the archangel” (1 Thessalonians 4:16).

But, as Stewart points out, Michael is one of the chief princes of angels. Jesus is never given the title “chief prince” among His many names which include “King of Kings and Lord of Lords” (Revelation 19:16). Michael is like the “legatus Augusti proparetore” who “commanded an entire province.” He is one of several commanders in the angelic army. He is not unique. Jesus is the one and only Son of God.

In Matthew 28:18, Jesus tells His disciples, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.” This cannot be said of the Archangel Michael who, as Jude tells us, could not rebuke Satan; only God can do that. As one with the Father, Christ can rebuke the Devil also.

The real power is Christ’s authority to forgive sins, demonstrated by His sacrifice, by submission to Roman punishment, and His victory over death. Angels accomplish what humans imagined Christ would do — defeat armies — while only Christ could surpass the limits of human imagination and desire by accomplishing victory over what matters most — separation from God because of our sin.

Who Is the Archangel Michael to Us?
There really are angels; Scripture points to their existence too often to deny that God made them, and they serve a purpose in God’s kingdom. Angels are “mighty ones” who work for God (Psalm 103:20) using His authority and the power He gave them to fight Satan. We see that in the verses cited above. Wayne Grudem tells us that angels deliver messages, “carry out some of God’s judgments,” act as an “example” to us in their worship of and obedience to God, and “patrol the earth as God’s representatives.” They act on behalf of God’s people as per God’s command.

This should create a sense of wonder; that there are angels around us doing God’s will, invisible to humans. Elisha and his servant were surrounded by the force of Syria, and Elisha’s servant was terrified. “Do not be afraid, for those who are with us are more than those who are with them” (2 Kings 6:16). Elisha could see what was invisible to most people: God’s forces at work on behalf of His people. Angels are at work around us, and it is tempting to become more enthralled with these beautiful, mighty creatures than with the Son of God.

Even as he fights Satan during the end times, however, the Archangel Michael will not be as powerful as the Messiah. We see Michael as a sword-carrying warrior against demons, but the blade we are most concerned with as Christians is the sword of the Word, an essential piece of the “full armor of God” (Ephesians 6).

What Does This Mean?
One must not worship anyone other than the Lord for, as John Gilhooly reminds us, “to which of the angels did God ever say, “You are my Son; today I have become your Father”? (Hebrews 1:5). “It is bad doctrine that makes creatures secure by creatures.” The Bible repeatedly “promises the very presence of God by the Spirit through faith. We ought to take comfort in the eternal God and his everlasting arms (Deuteronomy 33:27), not the arms of angels.”

-Candice Lucey (2020)

Cc: Muttleylaff

It's actually funny when humans tell tales of heavenly culture, positions and hierarchies like it's one town in Ogun state. Y'all mustn't have answers to everything. It's ok not to know.

Acehart:
Cc: Muttleylaff

I endorse 10000% without demur

WoundedLamb:
It's actually funny when humans tell tales of heavenly culture, positions and hierarchies like it's one town in Ogun state. Y'all mustn't have answers to everything. It's ok not to know.

The bible, in Proverbs 25:2, states that:
"It is the glory of God to conceal a matter; to search out a matter is the glory of kings" or "It is God’s privilege to conceal things and the king’s privilege to discover them," so it's not OK not to know, but its OK to roll up your sleeves, pull out your fingers, stop sitting on your hands and get to work doing a 2 Timothy 2:15.

"Ise logun ise" loosely translated means "Work and/or study, cancels out lack of depth and its the remedy to reverse knowledge poverty with"

WoundedLamb:
It's actually funny when humans tell tales of heavenly culture, positions and hierarchies like it's one town in Ogun state. Y'all mustn't have answers to everything. It's ok not to know.

Ah! you should see many a Nigerian who go for visa interviews and speak so much about a county, district, town or city in the country (which they haven’t been to) they intend to go to. Wouldn’t it be strange if those who see themselves as pilgrims in this world can’t speak of the (heavenly) city they intend to go to after their sojourn is ended? If it is the way of the people of this world to speak of the culture of foreign lands gloriously, it shouldn’t be strange to hear them speak of culture of celestial lands gloriously.

MuttleyLaff:
I endorse 10000% without demur

The bible, in Proverbs 25:2, states that:
"It is the glory of God to conceal a matter; to search out a matter is the glory of kings" or "It is God’s privilege to conceal things and the king’s privilege to discover them," so it's not OK not to know, but its OK to roll up your sleeves, pull out your fingers, stop sitting on your hands and get to work doing a 2 Timothy 2:15.

"Ise logun ise" loosely translated means "Work and/or study, cancels out lack of depth and its the remedy to reverse knowledge poverty with"

I wonder why a moniker bearing the name “wounded lamb” would have such a reaction.

Acehart:


Ah! you should see many a Nigerian who go for visa interviews and speak so much about a county, district, town or city in the country (which they haven’t been to) they intend to go to. Wouldn’t it be strange if those who see themselves as pilgrims in this world can’t speak of the (heavenly) city they intend to go to after their sojourn is ended? If it is the way of the people of this world to speak of the culture of foreign lands gloriously, it shouldn’t be strange to hear them speak of culture of celestial lands gloriously.

These countries are occupied by men. People go there and come back everyday. It's just another place like wherever you are. Comparing that with people claiming to know about the cultures and hierarchies of heaven is a bit unsettling.

MuttleyLaff:
I endorse 10000% without demur

The bible, in Proverbs 25:2, states that:
"It is the glory of God to conceal a matter; to search out a matter is the glory of kings" or "It is God’s privilege to conceal things and the king’s privilege to discover them," so it's not OK not to know, but its OK to roll up your sleeves, pull out your fingers, stop sitting on your hands and get to work doing a 2 Timothy 2:15.

"Ise logun ise" loosely translated means "Work and/or study, cancels out lack of depth and its the remedy to reverse knowledge poverty with"

There are some questions to which we do know the answer. But there are other questions to which the best answer we can give is, ‘I don’t know.’ ‘The secret things belong to the Lord our God, but the things revealed belong to us’ (Deuteronomy 29:29a). The culture, positions and power hierarchies of heaven do not necessarily affect the message of salvation and it's better we accept we don't understand the dynamics than to come up with theories just to support out opinions. Such opinionated teachings only bring more division and misunderstanding. Why not concentrate on the message of love which is simple, complete and straightforward?

Acehart:
I wonder why a moniker bearing the name “wounded lamb” would have such a reaction.

Tough love wording comment loading ....

WoundedLamb:
There are some questions to which we do know the answer. But there are other questions to which the best answer we can give is, ‘I don’t know.’ ‘The secret things belong to the Lord our God, but the things revealed belong to us’ (Deuteronomy 29:29a). The culture, positions and power hierarchies of heaven doesn't necessarily affect the message of salvation and it's better we accept we don't understand the dynamics than to come up with theories just to support out opinions. Such opinionated teachings only bring more division and misunderstanding. Why not concentrate on the message of love which is simple, complete and straightforward?

"It is the glory of God to conceal a matter; to search out a matter is the glory of kings
(i.e. It is the glory of God to hide things but the glory of kings to investigate them.
God is praised for being mysterious; rulers are praised for explaining mysteries)"
- Proverbs 25:2

"But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name,
He will teach you all things and will bring to your remembrance all things that I have said to you."
- John 14:26

"But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth;
for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak;
and He will disclose to you what is to come"
- John 16:13

You've with such a descriptive ID, prolly have been abused, misused or gotten confused up, but I am almost on the verge of typing that I dont care what cop out you want to use, as the truth of the matter is that, the brain, isn't an ornament to decorate the body with, and so, we are blessed with this powerfully built processing functional gift for a purpose, for a reason(s) and for such a time(s) as this/these. Feel free to underuse your brain. OK?

WoundedLamb:


There are some questions to which we do know the answer. But there are other questions to which the best answer we can give is, ‘I don’t know.’ ‘The secret things belong to the Lord our God, but the things revealed belong to us’ (Deuteronomy 29:29a).[b] The culture, positions and power hierarchies of heaven doesn't necessarily affect the message of salvation and it's better we accept we don't understand the dynamics than to come up with theories just to support out opinions. Such opinionated teachings only bring more division and misunderstanding. [/b]Why not concentrate on the message of love which is simple, complete and straightforward?

I understand your reservation: topics like this just heaps dogma upon dogma that doesn’t lead to salvation. However, you should understand that if men use the scriptures to justify the unjustifiable, they would use every medium available to them to express unbalanced theology. If it takes
a little yeast to work through the whole batch of dough, false teachers would work and the outcome would be devastating. This writeup is to confound them; and it was also posted in the hopes that they would change and stop their divisive ways, which they do in subtlety, not through topics but through conversation which you may not be privy to.

I have taken your advice into consideration. I would see how I would write or post write ups on love for God and for men.

It's actually laugh when beings tell stories of heaven ethos, roles and hierarchies like it's one Village in Ogun federal. nothing mustn't have explanations to right. It's everything not to know.

adegbenga80592 get someone close to you to sacrifice one to two hours showing you how to effectively post comments on the forum.

MuttleyLaff:

You've with such a descriptive ID, prolly have been abused, misused or gotten confused up, but I am almost on the verge of typing that I dont care what cop out you want to use, as the truth of the matter is that, the brain, isn't an ornament to decorate the body with, and so, we are blessed with this powerfully built processing functional gift for a purpose, for a reason(s) and for such a time(s) as this/these. Feel free to underuse your brain. OK?

I was actually hoping for a healthy Christian conversation but your response is full of sarcasms that suggest you are only gearing up for a fight and not a chat. I'm sorry for commenting on y'all's thread. Let me go with my underused brain. Have fun!

Acehart:


I understand your reservation: topics like this just heaps dogma upon dogma that doesn’t lead to salvation. However, you should understand that if men use the scriptures to justify the unjustifiable, they would use every medium available to them to express unbalanced theology. If it takes
a little yeast to work through the whole batch of dough, false teachers would work and the outcome would be devastating. This writeup is to confound them; and it was also posted in the hopes that they would change and stop their divisive ways, which they do in subtlety, not through topics but through conversation which you may not be privy to.

I have taken your advice into consideration. I would see how I would write or post write ups on love for God and for men.

Heartwarming response

You might want to take out time to educate your friend above on how to engage people with decorum. His/her responses don't make room for non fallacious conversations.

WoundedLamb:
[s]I was actually hoping for a healthy Christian conversation but your response is full of sarcasms that suggest you are only gearing up for a fight and not a chat. I'm sorry for commenting on y'all's thread. Let me go with my underused brain. Have fun![/s]

You think too highly of your sanctimonious moralising on love self, who do you think has valuable and precious time to want to have a fight with you.

You think OP that opened the thread did so out of a dearth of love ni, hmm? Have you any idea what Matthew 28:19a means and is all about, erhn? That thread was purposely created so interested and curious minds could learn from it, but all you did was to waltz in to pooh pooh and piss on the fella's thread, strutting upandan all over the post, as if like an overpriced and over feathered peacock and ṣhitting on the post

If you dont want to know, then keep it to yourself, dont shoot down another man's innocent and harmless effort, with your defeatist, despondent dispirited and low self-esteem comments. It's posters like you with toxic comments like you made about someone's else post that stifles their gifting.

If you dont know things, you lack knowledge/wisdom, you're expected to God, who liberally, abudantly, and generously gives to all without finding fault (i.e. James 1:5) What's your problem sef? Who do you? Why pissing on another man's parade?

Go and dont slap the door after you

WoundedLamb:
[s]Heartwarming response

You might want to take out time to educate your friend above on how to engage people with decorum. His/her responses don't make room for a non fallacious conversations.[/s]

Are you still here?. What the foxtrot, uniform, charlie, kilo are you waiting and lurking behind for? Scram!

WoundedLamb:


Heartwarming response

You might want to take out time to educate your friend above on how to engage people with decorum. His/her responses don't make room for non fallacious conversations.

He is my brother; he is yours too. His real name is Boanerges.

You seem like one with a good head on his shoulders; it would be nice if you posted a lot of good things in this section. It’s horrifying seeing what the mods post on front page as Christian topics. It would be nice if someday “WoundedLamb” flooded this section with topics of divine concern that there wouldn’t be any reason for those men employed as mods to post airheaded topics that have nothing to do with Christian living.

I hope you begin today and surely, if it is nice, I would comment without any air of aggression, sneering or opposition.

Angel Michael is a servant of Christ, the Son of God.

The erroneous idea being spread by the Jehovah Witnesses that Christ is same as Angel Michael is not farfetched, since they've already reduced the Person of Christ, who is the Son of God, to that of a mere servant in their doctrine.

So for them to also say angel Michael, a servant of God, is the same as Christ is not atypical to their false teachings.

jesusjnr2020:
Angel Michael is a servant of Christ, the Son of God.

The erroneous idea being spread by the Jehovah Witnesses that Christ is same as Angel Michael is not farfetched, since they've already reduced the Person of Christ, who is the Son of God, to that of a mere servant in their doctrine.

So for them to also say angel Michael, a servant of God, is the same as Christ is not atypical to their false teachings.

The teaching of Michael as the Christ is not peculiar to the JW alone. Some ‘white-garment‘ churches teach so as well.

Many churches/organizations have been wrong in many doctrines; but as time progressed, they changed their views for the better. Let’s just pray and hope that they come to the full knowledge of the word of God so that our joy may be full.

Acehart:


The teaching of Michael as the Christ is not peculiar to the JW alone. Some ‘white-garment‘ churches teach so as well.

Many churches/organizations have been wrong in many doctrines; but as time progressed, they changed their views for the better. Let’s just pray and hope that they come to the full knowledge of the word of God so that our joy may be full.

Really? Okay.

Amen!

Acehart:
Is Michael the Christ?

A controversial theory suggests that Michael was the pre-incarnate Christ. He is given the title of “prince” and shown to be a “protector of the people Israel.” Yet, “the one who protects Israel” is God Himself, says Don Stewart. “My help comes from the LORD” (Psalm 121:2-4). Many people argue that if God protects Israel, and Michael protects Israel, they must be one in the same. Moreover, when Christ returns, He will come with “the voice, or cry of command, of the archangel” (1 Thessalonians 4:16).

But, as Stewart points out, Michael is one of the chief princes of angels. Jesus is never given the title “chief prince” among His many names which include “King of Kings and Lord of Lords” (Revelation 19:16). Michael is like the “legatus Augusti proparetore” who “commanded an entire province.” He is one of several commanders in the angelic army. He is not unique. Jesus is the one and only Son of God.

In Matthew 28:18, Jesus tells His disciples, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.” This cannot be said of the Archangel Michael who, as Jude tells us, could not rebuke Satan; only God can do that. As one with the Father, Christ can rebuke the Devil also.

The real power is Christ’s authority to forgive sins, demonstrated by His sacrifice, by submission to Roman punishment, and His victory over death. Angels accomplish what humans imagined Christ would do — defeat armies — while only Christ could surpass the limits of human imagination and desire by accomplishing victory over what matters most — separation from God because of our sin.

Who Is the Archangel Michael to Us?
There really are angels; Scripture points to their existence too often to deny that God made them, and they serve a purpose in God’s kingdom. Angels are “mighty ones” who work for God (Psalm 103:20) using His authority and the power He gave them to fight Satan. We see that in the verses cited above. Wayne Grudem tells us that angels deliver messages, “carry out some of God’s judgments,” act as an “example” to us in their worship of and obedience to God, and “patrol the earth as God’s representatives.” They act on behalf of God’s people as per God’s command.

This should create a sense of wonder; that there are angels around us doing God’s will, invisible to humans. Elisha and his servant were surrounded by the force of Syria, and Elisha’s servant was terrified. “Do not be afraid, for those who are with us are more than those who are with them” (2 Kings 6:16). Elisha could see what was invisible to most people: God’s forces at work on behalf of His people. Angels are at work around us, and it is tempting to become more enthralled with these beautiful, mighty creatures than with the Son of God.

Even as he fights Satan during the end times, however, the Archangel Michael will not be as powerful as the Messiah. We see Michael as a sword-carrying warrior against demons, but the blade we are most concerned with as Christians is the sword of the Word, an essential piece of the “full armor of God” (Ephesians 6).

What Does This Mean?
One must not worship anyone other than the Lord for, as John Gilhooly reminds us, “to which of the angels did God ever say, “You are my Son; today I have become your Father”? (Hebrews 1:5). “It is bad doctrine that makes creatures secure by creatures.” The Bible repeatedly “promises the very presence of God by the Spirit through faith. We ought to take comfort in the eternal God and his everlasting arms (Deuteronomy 33:27), not the arms of angels.”

-Candice Lucey (2020)

A good Bible student who reads his/her Bible will know Michael can never be equate with Our Risen Lord, Jesus Christ.

Especially when considering some Bible passages like:

Jeremiah 17:10
I, Yahweh, examine the mind, I test the heart to give to each according to his way, according to what his actions deserve. - HCSB

I, Yahweh, examine the mind, I test the heart, and give to each one according to his way, according to the fruit of his deeds. - LEB

I, Yahweh, search minds and test hearts. I will reward each person for what he has done. I will reward him for the results of his actions. - NOG

Yahweh said He is THE ONE who searches the mind and tests the heart

Then hear what The Risen Lord, Jesus Christ says

Revelation 2:23
I will kill her children with the plague. Then all the churches will know that I AM THE ONE who examines minds and hearts, and I will give to each of you according to your works. - HCSB

And I will kill her children with deadly disease, and all the churches will know that I AM THE ONE who searches minds and hearts, and I will give to each one of you according to your deeds. - LEB

I will kill her children. Then all the churches will know that I AM THE ONE who searches hearts and minds. I will reward each of you for what you have done. - NOG

I AM THE ONE used here means Jesus refers to Himself as YAHWEH of Jeremiah we read above!

Acehart:
Is Michael the Christ?

A controversial theory suggests that Michael was the pre-incarnate Christ. He is given the title of “prince” and shown to be a “protector of the people Israel.” Yet, “the one who protects Israel” is God Himself, says Don Stewart. “My help comes from the LORD” (Psalm 121:2-4). Many people argue that if God protects Israel, and Michael protects Israel, they must be one in the same. Moreover, when Christ returns, He will come with “the voice, or cry of command, of the archangel” (1 Thessalonians 4:16).

But, as Stewart points out, Michael is one of the chief princes of angels. Jesus is never given the title “chief prince” among His many names which include “King of Kings and Lord of Lords” (Revelation 19:16). Michael is like the “legatus Augusti proparetore” who “commanded an entire province.” He is one of several commanders in the angelic army. He is not unique. Jesus is the one and only Son of God.

how many archangels are mentioned in the 66books of the bible?
doesn't arch mean First

is it written sons of God as mentioned in genesis and Job.
is Jesus not the First and chief corner stone.

is the man you are quoting more reliable than scripture?

Emusan:


A good Bible student who truly read his/her will know Michael can never be equate with the Our Risen Lord, Jesus Christ.

Especially when considering some Bible passages like:

Jeremiah 17:10
I, Yahweh, examine the mind, I test the heart to give to each according to his way, according to what his actions deserve. - HCSB

I, Yahweh, examine the mind, I test the heart, and give to each one according to his way, according to the fruit of his deeds. - LEB

I, Yahweh, search minds and test hearts. I will reward each person for what he has done. I will reward him for the results of his actions. - NOG

Yahweh said He is THE ONE who searches the mind and tests the heart

Then hear what The Risen Lord, Jesus Christ says

Revelation 2:23
I will kill her children with the plague. Then all the churches will know that I AM THE ONE who examines minds and hearts, and I will give to each of you according to your works. - HCSB

And I will kill her children with deadly disease, and all the churches will know that I AM THE ONE who searches minds and hearts, and I will give to each one of you according to your deeds. - LEB

I will kill her children. Then all the churches will know that I AM THE ONE who searches hearts and minds. I will reward each of you for what you have done. - NOG

I AM THE ONE used here means Jesus refers to Himself as YAHWEH of Jeremiah we read above!

Very true. This attribute of examining and testing the heart and minds is seen in the Holy Spirit; we see Him knowing the intent of the hearts of Ananias and his wife. The Holy Spirit knows the mind of God as well.

We know Satan is domiciled in religion as an angel of light; therefore, he would shroud the true intent of God through false interpretation of the word; his time will be cut short, hallelujah!

Thanks for your effort to enlighten our minds.

Emusan:


A good Bible student who truly read his/her will know Michael can never be equate with the Our Risen Lord, Jesus Christ.

Especially when considering some Bible passages like:

Jeremiah 17:10
I, Yahweh, examine the mind, I test the heart to give to each according to his way, according to what his actions deserve. - HCSB

I, Yahweh, examine the mind, I test the heart, and give to each one according to his way, according to the fruit of his deeds. - LEB

I, Yahweh, search minds and test hearts. I will reward each person for what he has done. I will reward him for the results of his actions. - NOG

Yahweh said He is THE ONE who searches the mind and tests the heart

Then hear what The Risen Lord, Jesus Christ says

Revelation 2:23
I will kill her children with the plague. Then all the churches will know that I AM THE ONE who examines minds and hearts, and I will give to each of you according to your works. - HCSB

And I will kill her children with deadly disease, and all the churches will know that I AM THE ONE who searches minds and hearts, and I will give to each one of you according to your deeds. - LEB

I will kill her children. Then all the churches will know that I AM THE ONE who searches hearts and minds. I will reward each of you for what you have done. - NOG

I AM THE ONE used here means Jesus refers to Himself as YAHWEH of Jeremiah we read above!

VERSE 27 Even as I received of my FATHER ?

Now I ask you who is YHVH is he the father or the son?

BlueAngel444:
how many archangels are mentioned in the 66books of the bible?
doesn't arch mean First

is it written sons of God as mentioned in genesis and Job.
is Jesus not the First and chief corner stone.

is the man you are quoting more reliable than scripture?

It’s just an exposition. When writing, it isn’t out of place to put the thoughts of renowned scholars in ones exposition. You could be quoted tomorrow, as one very knowledgeable; this shouldn’t be seen as an error or an aberration especially if your thoughts agree with the scriptures.

Frame your questions properly then.

jesusjnr2020:
Angel Michael is a servant of Christ, the Son of God.

The erroneous idea being spread by the Jehovah Witnesses that Christ is same as Angel Michael is not farfetched, since they've already reduced the Person of Christ, who is the Son of God, to that of a mere servant in their doctrine.

So for them to also say angel Michael, a servant of God, is the same as Christ is not atypical to their false teachings.

it is not about shouting something is an error but actually showing the truth which reveals the error. The serpent also once said God lied.

there is a phrase in Hebrew scripture "the Angel of the LORD" who is also called Lord. Now I ask you who was that?

Acehart:


It’s just an exposition. When writing, it isn’t out of place to put the thoughts of renowned scholars in ones exposition. You could be quoted tomorrow, as one very knowledgeable; this shouldn’t be seen as an error or an aberration especially if your thoughts agree with the scriptures.

you skipped more important questions, addressed the least one but still did not answer it. Interesting.

BlueAngel444:
you skipped more important questions, addressed the least one but still did not answer it. Interesting.

Frame your questions properly then.

Acehart:


Frame your questions properly then.

lmao so you are saying you lack understanding of those simple questions
I actually thought they were straight forward enough

BlueAngel444:
VERSE 27 Even as I received of my FATHER ?
Now I ask you who is YHVH is he the father or the son?

The person speaking "I AM THE ONE" is YAHWEH!

BlueAngel444:
lmao so you are saying you lack understanding of those simple questions
I actually thought they were straight forward enough

Praise the Lord