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BlueAngel444:
it is not about shouting something is an error but actually showing the truth which reveals the error. The serpent also once said God lied.

there is a phrase in Hebrew scripture "the Angel of the LORD" who is also called Lord YAHWEH Now I ask you who was that?

Hypocrite!

Instead of you to use proper phrase!

Acehart:
The teaching of Michael as the Christ is not peculiar to the JW alone. Some ‘white-garment‘ churches teach so as well.

Many churches/organizations have been wrong in many doctrines; but as time progressed, they changed their views for the better. Let’s just pray and hope that they come to the full knowledge of the word of God so that our joy may be full.

Whose voice will raise the dead ?

jesusjnr2020:
Angel Michael is a servant of Christ, the Son of God.

The erroneous idea being spread by the Jehovah Witnesses that Christ is same as Angel Michael is not farfetched, since they've already reduced the Person of Christ, who is the Son of God, to that of a mere servant in their doctrine.

So for them to also say angel Michael, a servant of God, is the same as Christ is not atypical to their false teachings.

Whose voice would raise the dead ?

BlueAngel444:
VERSE 27 Even as I received of my FATHER ?

Now I ask you who is YHVH is he the father or the son?

Emusan casted ...

Emusan:
The person speaking "I AM THE ONE" is YAHWEH!

for one who claims not to be a hypocrite shouldn't you answer a question asked like one who should be upright. Go back and answer the question asked.

Barristter07:
Emusan casted ...

lol, Na just simple straight forward questions o

God is not an author of confusion Na men dey cause am

Barristter07:
Whose voice will raise the dead ?

John 5:27...because He is the Son of Man.

John 5:28 Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice,

John 5:29 and will come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment.

Acehart:
John 5:27...because He is the Son of Man.

John 5:28 Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice,

John 5:29 and will come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment.

1Thes 4:16

For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first.


This place said it's Voice of arch angel that will command the dead in Christ . So once again , whose voice will the dead hear ?

Barristter07:
1Thes 4:16

For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first.


This place said it's Voice of arch angel that will command the dead in Christ . So once again , whose voice will the dead hear ?

Hello. I know you know the function of commas in the English grammar. I would like you to permit me ask you these: What is the place of the trumpet? Is the Lord a trumpet? I ask this because you infer that from this verse, the Lord is the archangel; is the Lord the trumpet as well?

I also want to ask you this: what function of the comma made you arrive at your conclusion?

Acehart:
Hello. I know you know the function of commas in the English grammar. I would like you to permit me ask you these: What is the place of the trumpet? Is the Lord a trumpet? I ask this because you infer that from this verse, the Lord is the archangel; is the Lord the trumpet as well?

Voice belonging to Arch Angel,

Trumpet belonging to God ... Possesive statement.


If Jesus is not Micheal , does that mean it's Micheals voice that the dead will hear ?

Barristter07:
Voice belonging to Arch Angel,

Trumpet belonging to God ... Possesive statement.


If Jesus is not Micheal , does that mean it's Micheals voice that the dead will hear ?

Sir, do you know the meaning of “with”? Where there may be any misunderstanding of the right meaning of the word “with” which is best fit for the text, let’s look at the Greek bible in the picture below for better understanding:

Barristter07:
Voice belonging to Arch Angel,

Trumpet belonging to God ... Possesive statement.


If Jesus is not Micheal , does that mean it's Micheals voice that the dead will hear ?

The secret to understanding this text so that no one will fall into error is the word “shout”. If you get it, you will be the happiest man today.

Acehart:
Sir, do you know the meaning of “with”? Where there may be any misunderstanding of the right meaning of the word “with” which is best fit for the text, let’s look at the Greek bible in the picture below for better understanding:

With is not the problem, the problem is that voice cries and the dead in Christ rise.... Whose voice raise the dead ?

Acehart:
The secret to understanding this text so that no one will fall into error is the word “shout”. If you get it, you will be the happiest man today.

And since u are the happiest man , Enlighten us how the arch angels voice raise the dead instead of Jesus .

Barristter07:
Emusan casted ...

Olodo....
My answer to that is very simple and from the scripture!
The person who says "I AM THE ONE" is Yahweh

Acehart:
Is Michael the Christ?

A controversial theory suggests that Michael was the pre-incarnate Christ. He is given the title of “prince” and shown to be a “protector of the people Israel.” Yet, “the one who protects Israel” is God Himself, says Don Stewart. “My help comes from the LORD” (Psalm 121:2-4). Many people argue that if God protects Israel, and Michael protects Israel, they must be one in the same. Moreover, when Christ returns, He will come with “the voice, or cry of command, of the archangel” (1 Thessalonians 4:16).

But, as Stewart points out, Michael is one of the chief princes of angels. Jesus is never given the title “chief prince” among His many names which include “King of Kings and Lord of Lords” (Revelation 19:16). Michael is like the “legatus Augusti proparetore” who “commanded an entire province.” He is one of several commanders in the angelic army. He is not unique. Jesus is the one and only Son of God.

In Matthew 28:18, Jesus tells His disciples, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.” This cannot be said of the Archangel Michael who, as Jude tells us, could not rebuke Satan; only God can do that. As one with the Father, Christ can rebuke the Devil also.

The real power is Christ’s authority to forgive sins, demonstrated by His sacrifice, by submission to Roman punishment, and His victory over death. Angels accomplish what humans imagined Christ would do — defeat armies — while only Christ could surpass the limits of human imagination and desire by accomplishing victory over what matters most — separation from God because of our sin.

Who Is the Archangel Michael to Us?
There really are angels; Scripture points to their existence too often to deny that God made them, and they serve a purpose in God’s kingdom. Angels are “mighty ones” who work for God (Psalm 103:20) using His authority and the power He gave them to fight Satan. We see that in the verses cited above. Wayne Grudem tells us that angels deliver messages, “carry out some of God’s judgments,” act as an “example” to us in their worship of and obedience to God, and “patrol the earth as God’s representatives.” They act on behalf of God’s people as per God’s command.

This should create a sense of wonder; that there are angels around us doing God’s will, invisible to humans. Elisha and his servant were surrounded by the force of Syria, and Elisha’s servant was terrified. “Do not be afraid, for those who are with us are more than those who are with them” (2 Kings 6:16). Elisha could see what was invisible to most people: God’s forces at work on behalf of His people. Angels are at work around us, and it is tempting to become more enthralled with these beautiful, mighty creatures than with the Son of God.

Even as he fights Satan during the end times, however, the Archangel Michael will not be as powerful as the Messiah. We see Michael as a sword-carrying warrior against demons, but the blade we are most concerned with as Christians is the sword of the Word, an essential piece of the “full armor of God” (Ephesians 6).

What Does This Mean?
One must not worship anyone other than the Lord for, as John Gilhooly reminds us, “to which of the angels did God ever say, “You are my Son; today I have become your Father”? (Hebrews 1:5). “It is bad doctrine that makes creatures secure by creatures.” The Bible repeatedly “promises the very presence of God by the Spirit through faith. We ought to take comfort in the eternal God and his everlasting arms (Deuteronomy 33:27), not the arms of angels.”

-Candice Lucey (2020)

no micheal is not Jesus.
Hebrews made it clear that Jesus is superior to the angels

BlueAngel444:
for one who claims not to be a hypocrite shouldn't you answer a question asked like one who should be upright. Go back and answer the question asked.

This is Jeremiah 17:10 "I, Yahweh, examine the mind, I test the heart to give to each according to his way, according to what his actions deserve."

So the person speaking in Revelation 2:23 who says "...Then all the churches will know that I AM THE ONE who searches hearts and minds. I will reward each of you for what you have done." is Yahweh!

Only if you can boldly tell us who made that statement in Revelation!

BlueAngel444:
lol, Na just simple straight forward questions o

God is not an author of confusion Na men dey cause am

But you didn't answer your own question, why?

"there is a phrase in Hebrew scripture "the Angel of the LORD" who is also called Lord YAHWEH Now I ask you who was that?"

Barristter07:
1Thes 4:16

For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first.


This place said it's Voice of arch angel that will command the dead in Christ . So once again , whose voice will the dead hear ?

Who will decend with the sound of the trumpet of God according to 1Thes 4:16?

Barristter07:
With is not the problem, the problem is that voice cries and the dead in Christ rise.... Whose voice raise the dead ?

Barrister, the word “with“ in English language means accompany(ing). If you look at the Greek Bible, you would see this order:

1. The Christ gives the command.
2. The Archangel raises his voice.
3. The Trumpet of God is sounded.

This is the reason I asked you if you knew the meaning of “with”. Paraphrasing that verse according to the intention of the writer, it is:
For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with an order, accompanied by the proclamation of the archangel and then the trumpet of God (is heralded) and the dead in Christ will rise first.

You asked if I am happy by the knowledge of this? Of course. I hoped you would have been happier than me.

Emusan:
This is Jeremiah 17:10 "I, Yahweh, examine the mind, I test the heart to give to each according to his way, according to what his actions deserve."

So the person speaking in Revelation 2:23 who says "...Then all the churches will know that I AM THE ONE who searches hearts and minds. I will reward each of you for what you have done." is Yahweh!

Only if you can boldly tell us who made that statement in Revelation!

the same one spoken of in Isaiah 11:3 he will not judge by what he sees with his eyes, or decide by what he hears with his ears.

the same one who in Revelation 2:27 calls God father. The son of the living God who died and rose again and is at the right hand of God the Father

livingchrist:
no micheal is not Jesus.
Hebrews made it clear that Jesus is superior to the angels

even a president is superior to his subordinates

BlueAngel444:
it is not about shouting something is an error but actually showing the truth which reveals the error. The serpent also once said God lied.

there is a phrase in Hebrew scripture "the Angel of the LORD" who is also called Lord. Now I ask you who was that?

Please try an skip my posts if you find them too hard to comprehend for they're not meant for you.

Those they're meant for would understand.

Thanks.

BlueAngel444:
even a president is superior to his subordinates

Michael is an angel but Jesus is superior to the angels it therefore mean that Jesus is not an angel since he cant be part of the same group he is superior to.

jesusjnr2020:
Please try an skip my posts if you find them too hard to comprehend for they're not meant for you.

Those they're meant for would understand.

Thanks.

lol, I am not quoting you for you o, but for the sake of others who read the crap you post at times. No offense, but if you won't listen to others I doubt reasoning with you is worth the waste of time. I quote whenever i deem fit and it seems I might go through all the nonsense u post on NL don't u feel so honored and blessed lmao

livingchrist:
Michael is an angel but Jesus is superior to the angels it therefore mean that Jesus is not an angel since he cant be part of the same group he is superior to.

really but Jesus is the head of the body of Christ of whom the apostles, prophets, ministers and members are a part of. Of which believers are co-heirs with him. So is Jesus not superior to us or are we not a part of him?

BlueAngel444:
really but Jesus is the head of the body of Christ of whom the apostles, prophets, ministers and members are a part of. Of which believers are co-heirs with him. So is Jesus not superior to us or are we not a part of him?

You dont understand, If Jesus is superior to the angels, does that not exclude him from being an angel himself?
Jesus is superior to us because he is the head of the church.

BlueAngel444:
lol, I am not quoting you for you o, but for the sake of others who read the crap you post at times. No offense, but if you won't listen to others I doubt reasoning with you is worth the waste of time. I quote whenever i deem fit and it seems I might go through all the nonsense u post on NL don't u feel so honored and blessed lmao

Okay thanks for justifying my posts, for if they're crap to you, that must be a good thing.

Pearls are crap to the swine, so I very well understand where you're coming from.

Suit yourself.

livingchrist:
You dont understand, If Jesus is superior to the angels, does that not exclude him from being an angel himself?
Jesus is superior to us because he is the head of the church.

the term angel means messenger of God, yes. Is Jesus not a messenger of God. Is he not sent by God. Is it not in the bible where an angel speaks to another about what should or is to be done.

But you are right to believe his existence is like none of the other angels and his glory and position far exceeds theirs but still He like every other angel of God that does God's will.

to answer your question God made Jesus, Lord and Christ, God honored him and glorified him, Yes he had exclusivity but then He is the prince of Israel, the commander in chief of God's army, the Angel of the Lord, the one who came, obeyed and was glorified. The one called, who is like God, the only one who is like God. Micha-el. The one with many names, Wonderful, Counsellor, prince of peace. A prince all demons have feared and still fear.

jesusjnr2020:
Okay thanks for justifying my posts, for if they're crap to you, that must be a good thing.

Pearls are crap to the swine, so I very well understand where you're coming from.

Suit yourself.

rotfl you are the one who justifies your posts and self, you commend it, you condemn yourself. Because the words you speak at times are of yourself

BlueAngel444:
rotfl you are the one who justifies your posts and self, you commend it, you condemn yourself. Because the words you speak at times are of yourself

You seem to be a liar as well not just foolish and ignorant.

Take this your comment to that thread where you displayed your ignorance to prove you're not lying.

Nonetheless I do not seek approval from men, but only that which comes from above.

jesusjnr2020:
You seem to be a liar as well not just foolish and ignorant.

Take this your comment to that thread where you displayed your ignorance to prove you're not lying.

Nonetheless I do not seek approval from men, but only that which comes from above.

yes there are times I lie, for I am no god but I am no fool to ignore my errors neither am I arrogant as to become ignorant by my own pride. I say in my heart that their is a God but there are things you say that fails to reveal the truth.

There is no man who is after God's heart that will approve you when you are wrong but you prefer to stand in your wrong even when you are corrected. is that as a result of your self righteous pride that causes you to justify yourself even when in error. Dont you undermine others instead of clarifying others in the spirit of love and unity.

Lol, you are what you are and I need not add to that.