Zuorom:

Who appointed you spokesman for other Americans. Apart from you and your clown friend Kopschmerzen, the others that will be voting have said they are voting for Trump so speak for yourself and maybe Kopschmerzen then shut up.

Name those Nigerian Americans on this forum that will vote for trump. PDPguy, Armyofone, Coronavirus just to name some more that will be voting for Trump. Waiting for your list.

This kofimoses on Dixiecrats I said only 2 of them changed parties to Republican.The rest died out naturally .

States that went red to blue after the Civil rights act. A key reason is shift in demography of the states. Even today Texas turning purple from strong red is due to demographic changes. Not an abandonment of the Republican party. Ditto NY, NJ, and the best example is California.

Civil Rights Act effiorts picked up by Kennedy and brought into law by Lyndon. The republicans helped the legislation. go through while the democrats had a majority of the house. Don't forget its the democrats who filibustered and sabotaged the initial passage of the law.
The South changed stance about slavery and civil rights ,becoming more republican while the Dixiecrats died out still clinging to democrat party.

Zuorom:

Who appointed you spokesman for other Americans. Apart from you and your clown friend Kopschmerzen, the others that will be voting have said they are voting for Trump so speak for yourself and maybe Kopschmerzen then shut up.

Still waiting for your list. You guys will go away when the Chief Racist in the White House is humiliated by Americans on Nov 3rd.

CoronaVirusRelo:


They are still in shock about the turd not even able to express himself confidently.


Now, they are claiming Joe Biden was wired

Bunch of unenlightened losers!

Even Trump's guys at 'Fox and Friends' were not impressed with him


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2N5gR_FJ4_A

PrideofLincoln1:
Name those Nigerian Americans on this forum that will vote for trump. PDPguy, Armyofone, Coronavirus just to name some more that will be voting for Trump. Waiting for your list.

Qstorm and kachills both say they are voting for Trump and I think Temple1288 too. I don't know if armyofone and PDP guy have said they are Americans but please remove that coronavirus entity from the list, we are talking of real Americans not some fraudulent clown that is fooling himself.

feedthenation:


Even Trump's guys at 'Fox and Friends' were not impressed with him


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2N5gR_FJ4_A

There should be a mute button on the next debate. It would make the moderator's job a lot easier.

Zuorom:

Qstorm and kachills both say they are voting for Trump and I think Temple1288 too. I don't know if armyofone and PDP guy have said they are Americans but please remove that coronavirus entity from the list, we are talking of real Americans not some fraudulent clown that is fooling himself.

Qtorm is british. I know her off Nairaland.
If she wants to disagree. Tell her to put a picture of her passport with her Nairaland name beside it

PDPGuy:
It's true what Mark Twain or whoever said: Never argue (read: debate) with an idiot, they will bring you down to their level and beat you with experience. I'm seeing people say there were two Idiots on the stage (I only saw one), so I guess it worked?

I honestly don't even know how you blame Chris Wallace for this. People say he was worked in Trump's favor, but did he? It must be hard work when three people are in a room, and two people are held to standards of decorum while the third one can do whatever, and we're like: 'oh, we know how he is, but you, why would you tell a sitting president to shut up? I can't stand by that, that's disrespectful.' Well, when you lower the office of the president like this, anything goes, right?

The thing Trump was clearly trying to do was trigger a fit of stuttering from Biden. That's the only reason he kept inserting words, interjecting, trying to distract Biden, and trying to interrupt his flow of thoughts. Literally impossible to debate with that kind of person without a mute function. (Which, dear Lord, please enact one by the next debate so the rest of us don't suffer).

The fact that Trump had the effrontery to bring up Swine flu with COVID on his hands, shows there's no depth to which he wouldn't go. We're almost in October 2020, and he's still saying that: we're not sure how effective masks are. Still bragging about 40,000 people showing up maskless and within close proximity at his rallies. 'No one wants to come out and see you, Joe.' And I won't even talk about how he brought up Hunter's drug problem and dishonorable discharge at the same time as praising his own handling of the military and vets, at the same time as cutting off Biden when he was talking about his deceased decorated son, when he should know the mental toll it takes being a veteran and how many of them may end up struggling with PTSD, drug use, etc. I rotated at the VA as a student in ambulatory care, and almost every one I saw had either Diabetes or hypertension PLUS PTSD. Hunter may not be a saint, but let's see who is a saint out here. And oh by the way, he is NOT running for president.

Biden got steamrolled because he could barely get a word in, and when he did try to talk over Trump, it was painful for the rest of us. How can we be watching a presidential debate and Trump blurts out: 'You're not smart. You graduated last or very near last in you class at Delaware.' Like huh? Are we all in the same place? Biden missed a couple of opportunities to respond to Trump, especially regarding the hundreds of judges seats left open for Trump to fill. Um, Obama nominated candidates to fill those seats, just as he did to fill Scalia's seat in the Supreme Court, and the republicans blocked it until Trump got elected. Which I won't complain about because they had the senate. You have the power, you do what you can to push forward your agenda. Fair is fair. But you can't point to that as a failure of the previous administration. That's just weird.

Anyway, one thing I was glad I didn't hear was the oft repeated lie about full-term abortions. Like, Democrats want to approve full-term abortions where they rip babies out of the womb at birth and basically kill them. The fact that people believe that and hold on to that as the reason they can't support someone like Biden tells you the power of a lie. Full term abortion. Good grief.

I think there will be violence at the polls. I've thought so for some time, but now I'm sure there'll be. Not everywhere, but in some places. I also think there will be tampering with mail votes. Everyone just be careful over the next few weeks.

Echoed my mind. This is what I have been saying all along.

salford1:

Qtorm is british. I know her off Nairaland.
If she wants to disagree. Tell her to put a picture of her passport with her Nairaland name beside it

Are you sure about this? I didn't know qstorm was a she but I think I recall her saying she is an American. I'll check that up to be hundred percent sure.

Zuorom:

Qstorm and kachills both say they are voting for Trump and I think Temple1288 too. I don't know if armyofone and PDP guy have said they are Americans but please remove that coronavirus entity from the list, we are talking of real Americans not some fraudulent clown that is fooling himself.

Both PDPguy and armyofone are bonafide Americans and you should know that because you have been here for a while. Qstorm, I don't know about but kachills is no where close to America while Temple 1288 who got in America about 3 or 4 years ago voting in America election is an Express way to deportation.

PrideofLincoln1:
Both PDPguy and armyofone are bonafide Americans and you should know that because you have been here for a while. Qstorm, I don't know about but kachills is no where close to America while Temple 1288 who got in America about 3 or 4 years ago voting in America election is an Express way to deportation.

I suspect if kachil was American, then he or she or it is fresh off the boat as well. From the lack of knowledge on American history. One of his previous post did not even know that Irish, especially Irish Catholics were once discriminated against in America. And she tried to slam Biden for that. Like common.

Zuorom:

Qstorm and kachills both say they are voting for Trump and I think Temple1288 too. I don't know if armyofone and PDP guy have said they are Americans but please remove that coronavirus entity from the list, we are talking of real Americans not some fraudulent clown that is fooling himself.

In fact, armyofone was in the Military and I am not sure if she's still in the Military.

salford1:

I suspect if kachil was American, then he or she or it is fresh off the boat as well. From the lack of knowledge not American history. One of his previous post did not know that Irish, especially Irish Catholics were once discriminated against in America. Like common.

That punk is an American the same way I am Chinese. Temple1999 can't vote and if he do, he would be shipped back to Nigeria before he even realized what hits him.

Zuorom:

Are you sure about this? I didn't know qstorm was a she but I think I recall her saying she is an American. I'll check that up to be hundred percent sure.

Doesn't really matter anyway. Nigerian, American, British, Canadian, German or whatever. Aslong as everyone stays civil on this thread, all should be good. The elections would come and go and life would move on. Hopefully, there won't be violence. That is just my prayer.

salford1:

Doesn't really matter anyway. Nigerian, American, British, Canadian, German or whatever. Aslong as everyone stays civil on this thread, all should be good. The elections would come and go and life would move on. Hopefully, there won't be violence. That is just my prayer.

Regardless of what the Racist Trump said last night, there won't be any violence and he will go quietly on Jan 20 and then go face his nemesis in New York Attorney General Ms Letitia James who will indict him and his grifter children.

salford1:

Doesn't really matter anyway. Nigerian, American, British, Canadian, German or whatever. Aslong as everyone stays civil on this thread, all should be good. The elections would come and go and life would move on. Hopefully, there won't be violence. That is just my prayer.

I can't find the exact post where she said she was going to vote in the elections but the contents of her posts are indicating that she lives in the US and she's American. Anyway, keeping that aside, I support your call for civility hundred percent and I'll go further to personally pledge to refrain from attacking anyone from now on unless I am first attacked.

PrideofLincoln1:
Both PDPguy and armyofone are bonafide Americans and you should know that because you have been here for a while. Qstorm, I don't know about but kachills is no where close to America while Temple 1288 who got in America about 3 or 4 years ago voting in America election is an Express way to deportation.

Alright, I concede to you on this one.

Live:
Comey Testifies before Senate Judiciary Committee on Russia Investigation


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILsBgjSAJoo

Zuorom:

Alright, I concede to you on this one.

Kudos to you and I will wait for Nov 3rd to see who will concede between the two of us since I believe Trump will lose and you think he will win.

Here we go again
Canada is going to build a wall.
They can move to Europe and Africa.

salford1:
Here we go again
Canada is going to build a wall.
They can move to Europe and Africa.

They did the same thing in 2016, Trump won and none of them moved.

Zuorom:

Are you sure about this? I didn't know qstorm was a she but I think I recall her saying she is an American. I'll check that up to be hundred percent sure.

Qstorm is a she. I know that a while ago and came as a surprise to me too.

salford1:

There should be a mute button on the next debate. It would make the moderator's job a lot easier.

Mute button idea sounds good to me. How do you debate a well known pathological liar who trespasses on your time and he has to be called to order. Next debate will even be worse because Trump's desperate knowing that majority of Americans are tired of his buffoonery, bigotry, racism, xenophobia and misogyny.

fieryy:
Biden was ao easily distracted, so easily thrown off by Trump, who just wouldn't shut the f up. It is very important to stay focus, speak faster, talk louder when you have to, and continuously throw your punches when debating someone like Trump. There's no time to dwell on sth. for too long or even take a break.

I mean come on, was it not so predictable that Trump wouldn't be fair in this debate? If someone acts like a child, then by all means treat him like one.

I have just watched the debate as soon as I returned home. I must disagree with you. I think Biden did a really good job, better than I expected. Trump seemed to be under stress, Biden was very relaxed in comparison. I didn't expect him to be that relaxed. My favorite line: "It's hard to get a word in with this clown."

Trump has lost the momentum but he has still time to catch up. It's going to be exciting.

Funny enough, watching the debate highlights, one can actually feel that Biden won the debate because when broken up in segments, you see how Trump is always interrupting Biden and giving no room for discussion.
But still, during the debate itself, Trump supporters will definitely be happy with his performance while the Biden supporters will be frustrated and exasperated.

What Biden supporters will see trumps antics as bullying, many other non affiliated viewers will see it as strength, while Biden supporters will see him as calm and measured, many others will see it as weakness.

I personally think that Biden is a decent man, throughout this campaign period, I am yet to hear any serious damaging scandal about Biden unlike Trump who has soo many, from infidelity to fraudulent business, to obvious nepotism and corruption and to a stanch inability as a leader to foster peace instead of flaming the fires but it has to be pointed out that Biden is a very bad candidate.

It's been long I saw a presidential candidate who couldn't fully enunciate or elucidate his plans. He was quite frankly weak yesterday, yesterday I kept wondering how Obama would easily strike down trump's bullshit. Biden could rarely clap back despite so many potential pitfalls for Trump, Biden rarely put trump on the defense. Biden was reactionary rather than instigative.
His speeches even when uninterrupted were muffled, stifled and slurred.

The obvious truth is that there is a much bigger anti-trump support for Biden than a pro-biden support. Biden does not inspire the fevour within his base like Trump does. Truly if I didn't know how terrible Trump is before yesterday, I would be enamoured by his swagger, pomposity and bragadacio.

I feel this way because i have been on a lot of debate stages and the truth is that most at times the substance of the debate is overshadowed by other things like charisma, projections, confidence, zingers and one-liners and Trump had all of that even though his speeches lacked substance and were deeply entrenched in falsehoods but strictly speaking in terms of debate performance, Trump won handily. Biden was totally thrown off his game and came across as a poor communicator. I just couldn't help but imagine Obama reducing Trump to dust with his bullshits.
Anyways I still think Biden will win. Every normal human has witnessed first hand how terrible a Trump presidency has been but Biden really has to work on his communication skills, he is hardly inspiring his supporters.

From McCleans Canada:

In such an unpredictable year, it would almost have been comforting to see the two dark-suited septuagenarians playing so true to type. It would have been comforting if it wasn’t so representative of the unravelling of America.

During the first presidential debate of 2020, President Donald Trump was a perfect caricature of himself, speaking in hyperbolic soundbites that couldn’t have sounded more off-the-cuff. Former vice president Joe Biden appeared alternately incredulous, amused, confused and pained by the experience, letting out a “Would you shut up?” within the first 20 minutes of Trump’s incessant interjections.

The event, exactly five weeks before election day, was expected to be the most-watched political event in United States history, including outside the U.S. If you only lasted a few minutes before turning off the TV in frustration, don’t worry—we’ve got you. Here are five takeaways from the pandemic-era spectacle.

1. Civility is broken.
Could anyone—especially any Canadian—have come away with any other impression? The void between the two candidates vying to be president is huge, and the two spent more time attacking each other than discussing the myriad catastrophes facing the United States in 2020.

Trump interrupted and disrupted moderator Chris Wallace, of Fox News, enough to make the entire scenario feel outmoded. Enough to make Wallace plead with Trump that “the country would be better served” if he made fewer interruptions. Enough to make Wallace visibly agitated, raising both his hands in frustration, agreeing with Biden near the end of the event that it had been hard to follow the debate.

More than once, Trump launched personal attacks, from Biden’s college record to his son. More than once, Biden insulted the president, calling him a “clown,” a “racist” and a “liar.” More than once, the three-way repartée devolved into yelling matches that were difficult to follow (even for viewers not engaged in a debate-themed drinking game—we see you). After all that, knowing that debate rules prohibited even a hand shake, we could still have imagined the two coming to blows at the end of the event.

2. Good luck, America.
It was not an inspiring performance on the issues that have topped the agenda in 2020. Trump downplayed his responsibility for a COVID-19 death toll that has surpassed 200,000, saying “people know what to do” in terms of their health, but took responsibility for the return of football. He flip-flopped on whether masks were helpful. “You would’ve lost far more people,” he told Biden, later pivoting to attendance at his campaign rallies. “He’s been totally irresponsible,” Biden said, attacking the president’s inconsistent approach. “He’s a fool on this.”

On systemic racism, the two traded barbs and argued about statistics without offering much in the way of policy. Trump suggested that those who are raising issues of racism this year want Americans to hate their country. “He’s racist,” Biden said. Trump accused Biden of not being able to utter the words “law and order”; Biden countered, saying: “Law and order—with justice, where people get treated fairly.” Wallace invited Trump to condemn white supremacist groups. “Sure, I’m willing to do that, but I would say almost everything I see is from the left wing, not the right wing,” Trump responded. Biden pushed him to say it. Trump half-heartedly told the Proud Boys to “stand back and stand by,” then brought up the dangers of Antifa.

With orange skies and horrendous air quality setting the backdrop for west coast Americans in the lead-up to the debate, Trump dodged questions on climate science and suggested that “good forest management” would have prevented the annual burning of California.

3. Joe wasn’t that sleepy.
Amid plenty of attempts by the Trump campaign to portray Biden as old and fragile, pre-debate analysis held that if Biden came across “with it”—relatively sharp, relatively informed and most of all not senile, that would be enough to make the debate a success for him. If Biden exhibited any hint of a senior moment, Trump, despite any flubs of his own, would exploit the hell out of that right up until the election.

This was just the first of three debates but Biden came across reasonably alert, when he came across at all, with Trump taking a majority of the oxygen. There were moments he appeared scattered, inarticulate or flustered by the president’s aggressive approach. But there were also moments where Biden confronted Trump, repeatedly shushing him. He looked straight into the camera and addressed the American people directly, telling them this debate should be about their priorities, and, “He (Trump) doesn’t know what he’s talking about.”

On balance, that Biden didn’t fall asleep at the podium was likely enough for him to exceed expectations.

4. Many happy returns.
On Sunday, The New York Times published an extensive report on the president’s tax history, reporting that in 2016 and 2017, Trump only paid $750 in federal taxes—a bizarrely-low bill compared to previous presidents’ regular six-to-seven-figure payments. Trump denied the report but has not released tax documents publicly, despite promising to years ago.

Biden released his own tax returns not long after the story was published. In 2019, he paid some $300,000 in federal tax, having paid bills up to $3.7 million right after leaving office. (It was a hot speaking circuit in 2017.)

Pundits expected Biden to lean heavily on the Times revelations, using Trump’s bill as an example of his disconnect with the government he runs and the American people. But it was Wallace who brought Trump the heat on the question, pushing for a timeline on Trump offering proof of his claim that he in fact paid “millions of dollars” in taxes the years that the Times reported he paid $750. “You’ll see it as soon as it’s finished,” Trump said.

5. Remember, remember, the fifth of November…
…we may still not know the results. The election is Nov. 3 but due to a large number of mail-in ballots it is possible that a final result will be delayed. The final, 100-per-cent-finished vote count for 2016 took a month. This year, we just don’t know how long it will take. Neither candidate is likely to concede on election night. But the question of whether the incumbent will accept the ultimate result—especially if it is at all close—did not really get answered on Tuesday night.

Despite an entire 15-minute segment devoted to the integrity of the 2020 election, during which Wallace pushed him on that question, it is still unclear whether Trump will accept anything other than a victory. Wallace asked if each candidate would urge their supporters to stay calm during the interim, not to engage in any civil unrest and not to declare victory. Biden answered in the affirmative, but Trump made no such pledge. He said he would encourage his supporters to go into polling places and “watch very closely,” because he expected vote-counters to “cheat.”

Instead of pushing Trump on whether he would accept a loss, Biden argued with Trump on minutia about mail-in ballots and their distribution. Trump said the ballots are “a disaster,” that ballots are being “dumped in rivers” and “this is going to be a fraud like you’ve never seen.” Biden ended the debate on almost a plea, saying he would accept the result and Trump would too. “He will too, you know why? Once the winner is declared, after all the ballots are counted, that will be the end of it.” And, for now, that was the end of it.

Hathor5:


I have just watched the debate as soon as I returned home. I must disagree with you. I think Biden did a really good job, better than I expected. Trump seemed to be under stress, Biden was very relaxed in comparison. I didn't expect him to be that relaxed. My favorite line: "It's hard to get a word in with this clown."

Trump has lost the momentum but he has still time to catch up. It's going to be exciting.

Lool, that line was indeed good. Maybe I'm being too harsh on Biden. I just wish he was more fierce