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Re: Macron Calls On Europe To Quit Dependency On US Arms by okuta007: 6:53am On Oct 01, 2020
Karlovich:
Trump 2020, foreign haters can jump into the Mediterranean sea


God bless you
Re: Macron Calls On Europe To Quit Dependency On US Arms by naija4life247: 6:53am On Oct 01, 2020
Karlovich:
Trump 2020, foreign haters can jump into the Mediterranean sea

One of the Slaves French President was talking about

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Re: Macron Calls On Europe To Quit Dependency On US Arms by Daum: 6:54am On Oct 01, 2020
CaptainMarvel:


Only and Only Germany bro. See, U.S military tech capabilities if way ahead of China and Russia. Forget the surface ramblings.
Read more about the second world war, the German Tanks, Fighter Jets and U-boats were un-matched, and they were built within the shortest of time. The Germans were the first to conceive the A-bomb idea before they were snitched on.


This was during war. During war great inventions are made and don't forget, Europe was the home of the world's leading scientists. They spent more on education. Today can you say that about Europe.

America brought the best brains from Europe like Tesla, Einstein from Europe to America. Till now, America has the competitive advantage in scientific development and they can buy even European scientists.
Re: Macron Calls On Europe To Quit Dependency On US Arms by CaptainMarvel(m): 6:55am On Oct 01, 2020
Daum:



Germany is far behind. They are focused on making more wicked Mercedes Benz. War is not their priority anymore

lols...that was what the world thought after the first world war, until the Germans shocked them and almost abruptly seized the world.

Just like in football then, the English were making all the noise about the EPL and the building Wembley and their individual stars, until the Germans shocked them, won the world cup with a more compact team in 2014, thrashing the almighty Brazil in their backyard.
My point is, the German's work stealthily, and the effects is forceful and overwhelming. That's just their inherence.

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Re: Macron Calls On Europe To Quit Dependency On US Arms by okuta007: 6:56am On Oct 01, 2020
alexistaiwo:
USA military hardware industry is a trillion dollar sector and a very important component of the USA economy.





Greater men have been covertly "silenced" by the USA for trying to disrupt lesser sectors.



....... If you know what I mean cheesy


Don’t mind Macron, There is an African proverb that says “a child who ask what kee his father before he comes of age” ——
Re: Macron Calls On Europe To Quit Dependency On US Arms by Princedapace(m): 6:58am On Oct 01, 2020
ignis:
This is a brilliant man thinking outside the box. Over dependency is modern day slavery.


Nigeria is in bandage today because she depends on other countries for virtually everything including the crude oil God graciously blessed us with.


Briliant one from you
Re: Macron Calls On Europe To Quit Dependency On US Arms by Daum: 7:00am On Oct 01, 2020
CaptainMarvel:


lols...that was what the world thought after the first world war, until the Germans shocked them and almost abruptly seized the world.

Just like in football then, the English were making all the noise about the EPL and the building Wembley and their individual stars, until the Germans shocked them, won the world cup with a more compact team in 2014, thrashing the almighty Brazil in their backyard.
My point is, the German's work stealthily, and the effects is forceful and overwhelming. That's just their inherence.

No doubt about German work ethics
But for now that's not in their agenda. They just want to keep making cars and going left wing slowly. If they wanted to go right, they would have made some signs. They don't want that for now.
Re: Macron Calls On Europe To Quit Dependency On US Arms by seanwilliam(m): 7:00am On Oct 01, 2020
ethicallyright:


Then Europe wouldn't need their dollars. If the whole world including China accept Euros as the international means of exchange, America is gone. The dollars is America's power .
thank God u said IF
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Re: Macron Calls On Europe To Quit Dependency On US Arms by CaptainMarvel(m): 7:03am On Oct 01, 2020
Daum:



This was during war. During war great inventions are made and don't forget, Europe was the home of the world's leading scientists. They spent more on education. Today can you say that about Europe.

America brought the best brains from Europe like Tesla, Einstein from Europe to America. Till now, America has the competitive advantage in scientific development and they can buy even European scientists.

listen bro. When it comes to tech, the German are unrivaled. I was privy to read about some German's tech projects that were shut down after the world 2. Their thoughts, even in that time is mind-blowing. Many of the American inventions today were concepts stolen from the Germans after the war. The Irish too are naturally brilliant people. It will interest you to know that a large chunk of today's American scientist are of German and Irish descent

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Re: Macron Calls On Europe To Quit Dependency On US Arms by tamdun: 7:04am On Oct 01, 2020
CaptainMarvel:


lols...that was what the world thought after the first world war, until the Germans shocked them and almost abruptly seized the world.

Just like in football then, the English were making all the noise about the EPL and the building Wembley and their individual stars, until the Germans shocked them, won the world cup with a more compact team in 2014, thrashing the almighty Brazil in their backyard.
My point is, the German's work stealthily, and the effects is forceful and overwhelming. That's just their inherence.
When pushed to the wall, Germany will surprise many people but they cherish the peace the are currently experiencing, they rather produce Mercedes

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Re: Macron Calls On Europe To Quit Dependency On US Arms by DenreleDave(m): 7:04am On Oct 01, 2020
Macron no sense


Does he prefer China to America??

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Re: Macron Calls On Europe To Quit Dependency On US Arms by gwinaB(m): 7:05am On Oct 01, 2020
chrisxxx:
So China has become such a force that a whole Europe including Germany and France would consider themselves bipolarly sandwiched between US and China of all nations?
Nigeria my country please wake.
China has been a force for some years now, the EU just decided to fully accept it. So many people still believes the world is unipolar and failed to see the bipolarity consisting of the US and China.
Re: Macron Calls On Europe To Quit Dependency On US Arms by Openbusiness: 7:05am On Oct 01, 2020
ethicallyright:


Then Europe wouldn't need their dollars. If the whole world including China accept Euros as the international means of exchange, America is gone. The dollars is America's power .
Currency IS NOT MORE VALUABLE than the Military protecting it. Your currency is as valuable as the wars you can win. When you fight war and lose, your currency diminishes. Right now, America is the one defending and protecting like 90% of Europe. They are lame ducks without America. People are not accepting dollars as a global exchange in the global economy because of decoration or because they like the faces printed on the notes. Dollar controls the global economy because the world fought 2 World Wars and the USA came out on top of the food war chain as having the most powerful military in the world. Economy and Miliary Power go together. In this world, with a weak military, even if your local economy is excellent, another country with a stronger military will invade and steal and plunder your economy and conquer your resources. And that's why every country in the world has their own military to protect themselves or has a pact with a military that can defend them. A farmer has a farm with crops = good local economy = strong currency, but he doesn't have strong security. One day killer Fulani herdsmen invades his farm, destroy crops, destroy land, kill farmers = economy crashed = value is gone = weak currency. Or a cow herder with 3000 cows in the North, grazing in the field = good local economy = valuable currency, but he doesn't have strong security. One day cattle rustlers or bandits or boko terrorists invade his grazing fields, rustle the cows, burn the field, kill the herders = value is gone = weak currency. So your economic value is only as strong as the military protecting it. Without America (aka American taxpayers money) protecting most of Europe, the EU currency will be weak, despite the EU currency being a transnational currency. America dollar derives from just one country. Euro derives from a grouping of countries to achieve the value it has. America doesn't need Europe. It is Europe that has been a parasite on America.

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Re: Macron Calls On Europe To Quit Dependency On US Arms by Nobody: 7:05am On Oct 01, 2020
Daum:



God bless you
They live of America. They should do more. They could not even complete a fighter jet project together without pulling out. Europe is shitty

America funds NATO because it occupies the middle East in order to control oil prices which backs the dollars.
Do you see European Union stationing military bases in independent territories? European Union is a confederation, a union and not a Country. The countries in the Union now play fatherly role.

They once colonized the whole world. The thing is that America invests in war while Europe invests in the Luxury of its citizens.

America was frustrated during the pandemic because it depended on China on the production of Personal Protective Equipments. Was it because they could not produce PPEs that they depended on China? Absolutely no. It was because they just don't like the low end production.

Americans do not like Ford or their locally produced cars because they are not classy, they spend billions of Dollars on English Rolls Royce , Aston Martins and German cars. The Richest Americans buy Swiss watches for hundreds of thousands of dollars per unit and thus pay Switzerland billions of dollars each year just for watches. The average American wears Italian Fashion. The brands you hear are Gucci, Versace etc. They remit billions to Italy yearly just for clothes and bags . The average American drinks French wine. Read about the top most exported wines in the world, they are French.

America cannot even export its most loved sports like American football and Baseball. ESPN and other American sport channels pay UEFA , English FA and Spanish FA more money to get soccer TV rights than European channels pay to watch American football that nobody outside North America gives a Bleep about.

I could go on and on. The standard of health care in Germany alone beats that of America. Western Europe is now more concerned about the Welfare of its citizens than causing trouble across the world.

France alone is more scientifically advanced and richer than North Korea and Iran combined together but Iran produces high tech military hardwares like a missile that brought down one of America's most expensive stealth drone last year when it flew in its territory. North Korea builds effective long range missiles.
You won't hear that Iran or North Korea is developing a coronavirus vaccine but you'll hear about European Union Countries investing in vaccine development and trying to be the first with the best in that department.
Thing is that Europe does not just want to invest in war .

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Re: Macron Calls On Europe To Quit Dependency On US Arms by Nobody: 7:06am On Oct 01, 2020
Talk jare from a young and brilliant France president, we need a young man to rule this country too but not the young yahoo and cultist boys we have out there now a days o....
Re: Macron Calls On Europe To Quit Dependency On US Arms by Daum: 7:08am On Oct 01, 2020
CaptainMarvel:


listen bro. When it comes to tech, the German are unrivaled. I was privy to read about some German's tech projects that were shut down after the world 2. Their thoughts, even in that time is mind-blowing. Many of the American inventions today were concepts stolen from the Germans after the war. The Irish too are naturally brilliant people. It will interest you to know that a large chunk of today's American scientist are of German and Irish descent


I understand your point
But like I said, it depends on the the time and government.

Go back in history and see what the USSR was doing in the academic and scientific world. They're still doing much no doubt but you can't compare then and now. That's the same for Germany. As at now the Germans are behind. They just want to keep making cars.

The world is talking about hypersonics, china and America are going in that direction. I don't know if Germany is interested. Their own for now is maybe electric Audi cars and wicked Benz products. I love Mercedes benz
Re: Macron Calls On Europe To Quit Dependency On US Arms by semyman: 7:08am On Oct 01, 2020
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Celebrating self Government and more than 2 decades of uninterrupted democracy, let us now work towards Economic and indeed National independence by producing what we consume, refining our petroleum products, et Al.
We congratulate His Excellency President Muhammadu Buhari for being blessed by Providence to be the one piloting the ship of State and celebrating Nigeria's 60th.
To the people of the Niger Delta, at 60 years of Nigeria and oil politics, we and our State's Governors should now allow derivation fund paid by the Federal Government for the development of the oil communities where oil and gas are 'DERIVED' to be given to and used by the oil bearing and oil producing communities for their development to avoid another wave of militancy and make the oil companies able to settle and operate in the oil and gas producing communities.
At 60, the oil producing communities must be free, freed developed with their derivation fund for real essence of the National Diamond Jubilee celebration.
It is well with Niger Delta and Diamond Nigeria.
Congratulations to us all.

Senator (Dr) ITA ENANG.
Senior Special Assistant to the President,
Niger Delta Affairs.
Re: Macron Calls On Europe To Quit Dependency On US Arms by loswhite(m): 7:09am On Oct 01, 2020
Sheriman:
Everybody ti n gbon So Europe gan self won commot dia head for America military dominance. Believe me European leaders no be talk no do like African leaders. By next year December dey would have announced for European Submit that they are no more collecting US Arms.
They will start manufacturing their own Arms by donating billions of Euros to finance the Project..
When you post without having knowledge...smh

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Re: Macron Calls On Europe To Quit Dependency On US Arms by illicit(m): 7:10am On Oct 01, 2020
mascot87:
Clarion call

Macron call
Re: Macron Calls On Europe To Quit Dependency On US Arms by olugabbie(m): 7:10am On Oct 01, 2020
ignis:
This is a brilliant man thinking outside the box. Over dependency is modern day slavery.


Nigeria is in bandage today because she depends on other countries for virtually everything including the crude oil God graciously blessed us with.


This is not the first time they are talking about it. America spend about 1 trillion dollars (approximately 700 million dollars) on its military yearly. It is unthinkable that a single country can be so rich to spend such huge amount of money on its military. China spends about 250 millions dollars on it military yearly. Which is far more than what EU main powers France, UK, Italy, German n Spain spend on their military all together. So they don't have the fund. All the countries mentioned above are part of NATO. They are allies. If any of these countries is attacked, America will step in to fight for that country. So EU members that are part of NATO bring so little to the table. But their security is guaranteed. So it is cheaper to rely on America than to compete with it. I like Macron though. He is not anti-russia. He is interested in one europe.

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Re: Macron Calls On Europe To Quit Dependency On US Arms by frankmoney(m): 7:14am On Oct 01, 2020
Finally they want to have sense
Re: Macron Calls On Europe To Quit Dependency On US Arms by Daum: 7:17am On Oct 01, 2020
ethicallyright:


America funds NATO because it occupies the middle East in order to control oil prices which backs the dollars.
Do you see European Union stationing military bases in independent territories? European Union is a confederation, a union and not a Country. The countries in the Union now play fatherly role.

They once colonized the whole world. The thing is that America invests in war while Europe invests in the Luxury of its citizens.

America was frustrated during the pandemic because it depended on China on the production Personal Protective Equipments. Was it because they could not produce PPEs that they depended on China? Absolutely no. It was because they just don't like the low end production.

Americans do not like Ford or their locally produced cars, they spend billions of Dollars on English Rolls Royce , Aston Martins and German cars. The Richest Americans buy Swiss watches for hundreds of thousands of dollars per unit and thus pay Switzerland billions of dollars each year just for watches. The average American wears Italian Fashion. The brands you hear are Gucci, Versace etc. They remit billions to Italy yearly just for clothes and bags . The average American drinks French wine. Read about the top most exported wines in the world, they are French.

I could go on and on. The standard of health care in Germany alone beats that of America. Western Europe is now more concerned about the Welfare of its citizens than causing trouble across the world.

No doubt about your points. But I think even Europe had shortages of masks and they had to import from China.
The middle class in America is very sophisticated and America thrives on spending and not saving. Spend all you have and borrow more to spend that's why their economy is bleeding because they're not spending like before. We all know the US is not an example of a welfare state.

But about the EU not stationing military posts outside Europe, the issue s can they afford to maintain it. And Europe that could not even agree to a standing army or jointly fund defense projects. That's why I insisted that their priorities for now is make cars for the Germans, good clothes and bags for the Italians and nice wines and perfumes for the French so they can take care of their selves and afford their citizens the opportunity to visit the Maldives and other tourist spots and take tours.

Different priorities

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Re: Macron Calls On Europe To Quit Dependency On US Arms by sammysmiles(m): 7:18am On Oct 01, 2020
ignis:
This is a brilliant man thinking outside the box. Over dependency is modern day slavery.


Nigeria is in bondage today because she depends on other countries for virtually everything including the crude oil God graciously blessed us with.

What do you understand by the term slavery??Nigerians in particular jxt make use of words carelessly...
Re: Macron Calls On Europe To Quit Dependency On US Arms by martineverest(m): 7:19am On Oct 01, 2020
the way France and Germany are cheerleading total independency from United States government and American companies is kinda weird
Re: Macron Calls On Europe To Quit Dependency On US Arms by Daum: 7:20am On Oct 01, 2020
Openbusiness:
Currency IS NOT MORE VALUABLE than the Military protecting it. Your currency is as valuable as the wars you can win. When you fight war and lose, your currency diminishes. Right now, America is the one defending and protecting like 90% of Europe. They are lame ducks without America. People are not accepting dollars as a global exchange in the global economy because of decoration or because they like the faces printed on the notes. Dollar controls the global economy because the world fought 2 World Wars and the USA came out on top of the food war chain as having the most powerful military in the world. Economy and Miliary Power go together. In this world, with a weak military, even if your local economy is excellent, another country with a stronger military will invade and steal and plunder your economy and conquer your resources. And that's why every country in the world has their own military to protect themselves or has a pact with a military that can defend them. A farmer has a farm with crops = good local economy = strong currency, but he doesn't have strong security. One day killer Fulani herdsmen invades his farm, destroy crops, destroy land, kill farmers = economy crashed = value is gone = weak currency. Or a cow herder with 3000 cows in the North, grazing in the field = good local economy = valuable currency, but he doesn't have strong security. One day cattle rustlers or bandits or boko terrorists invade his grazing fields, rustle the cows, burn the field, kill the herders = value is gone = weak currency. So your economic value is only as strong as the military protecting it. Without America (aka American taxpayers money) protecting most of Europe, the EU currency will be weak, despite the EU currency being a transnational currency. America dollar derives from just one country. Euro derives from a grouping of countries to achieve the value it has. America doesn't need Europe. It is Europe that has been a parasite on America.

God bless you

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Re: Macron Calls On Europe To Quit Dependency On US Arms by Nobody: 7:21am On Oct 01, 2020
Daum:


No doubt about your points. But I think even Europe had shortages of masks and they had to import from China.
The middle class in America is very sophisticated and America thrives on spending and not saving. Spend all you have and borrow more to spend that's why their economy is bleeding because they're not spending like before. We all know the US is not an example of a welfare state.

But about the EU not stationing military posts outside Europe, the issue s can they afford to maintain it. And Europe that could not even agree to a standing army or jointly fund defense projects. That's why I insisted that their priorities for now is make cars for the Germans, good clothes and bags for the Italians and nice wines and perfumes for the French so they can take care of their selves and afford their citizens the opportunity to visit the Maldives and other tourist spots and take tours.

Different priorities

Nicely submitted. I agree but not entirely. It's not their priority. They maintained colonies when it was their priority.
Re: Macron Calls On Europe To Quit Dependency On US Arms by ignis: 7:21am On Oct 01, 2020
sammysmiles:
What do you understand by the term slavery??Nigerians in particular jxt make use of words carelessly...

Mr. over sabi ITK, sometimes the meaning of a word is in the context.
Re: Macron Calls On Europe To Quit Dependency On US Arms by tiger28: 7:23am On Oct 01, 2020
TRUMP see your life!!! We are losing all our LIFELONG allies. Come November, my family and I are voting this Orange Clown out. I have been voting since 1990 but this JOKER whom most ignorant non-voting African Negroes have their faces buried in his ass must go . SAME Dude that has severally made jest of the SAME
Africans..... Governance isn't a Circus. Can you imagine that a former high ranking Pence Aide said that they are NOW putting together contingency plans for him not to step down if he loses America The greatest DEMOCRACY in the World, its election now about to be comparable to Nigeria's election?? It must be a dream!

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Re: Macron Calls On Europe To Quit Dependency On US Arms by rottennaija(m): 7:26am On Oct 01, 2020
alexistaiwo:
USA military hardware industry is a trillion dollar sector and a very important component of the USA economy.





Greater men have been covertly "silenced" by the USA for trying to disrupt lesser sectors.



....... If you know what I mean cheesy

But this is happening. Whether the US likes it or not. 10, 20, 30, 50 even 100 years from today. It is happening. It will happen. The time for US dominance World dominance is fast approaching its end.
Re: Macron Calls On Europe To Quit Dependency On US Arms by twosquare(m): 7:28am On Oct 01, 2020
ethicallyright:


Then Europe wouldn't need their dollars. If the whole world including China accept Euros as the international means of exchange, America is gone. The dollars is America's power .
It's not that easy. Before there will be a power shift, the NWO must have considered all outcomes and what is beneficial. If it would be beneficial for them that the US lost her world dominance power, then believe me, they would have made the switch, wealth-wise before anything comes down on the masses.

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